milk fat and inflammatory bowel disease

[Guest guest]

Having sat through a talk on diet by Alfifa at the nimh cancer conference and listened to her saying all research indicates low fat diets are bad for us it was interesting to read the following. http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nature11225.html Research done at Chicago university found the incidence of IBD's doubled wtih rats fed on a diet high in saturated milk fats. Because these fats are difficult to emulsify more bile is produced causing changes in the gut environment and the bacteria living there.One bacterium in particular, Bilophila wadworthia thrives in the bile rich environment and as a consequence went from being incredibly rare to becoming almost 6% of all the

bacteria in the gut of a mouse fed on high fat milk diet. Any comments anyone? Anne Chiotis

[Guest guest]

i think a lot of the problems associated with low fat diets stem from the taste replacements such as sugar. A programme on tv this week " the men who made us fat " confirmed what have been long held beliefs in the association between increasing incidences of obesity and not the increased consumption of fat but sugar and refined carbs- especiallythe addition of high fructose corn syrup to convenience food and drinks. the programme very nicely " outed " the sugar corporations etc in america for having fought at government level to supress the research over 40 years ago that put the blame at their door.low fat diets obviously also rob the body of essential nutrients not just from good quality fats but the fat soluble vitamins.

regards ,annette

milk fat and inflammatory bowel disease

Having sat through a talk on diet by Alfifa at the nimh cancer conference and listened to her saying all research indicates low fat diets are bad for us it was interesting to read the following.

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nature11225.html

Research done at Chicago university found the incidence of IBD's doubled wtih rats fed on a diet high in saturated milk fats. Because these fats are difficult to emulsify more bile is produced causing changes in the gut environment and the bacteria living there.

One bacterium in particular, Bilophila wadworthia thrives in the bile rich environment and as a consequence went from being incredibly rare to becoming almost 6% of all the bacteria in the gut of a mouse fed on high fat milk diet.

Any comments anyone?

Anne Chiotis

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How about some similar studies on humans - then the results might be worth considering. Helen To: ukherbal group <ukherbal-list > Sent: Friday, 15

June 2012, 16:21 Subject: milk fat and inflammatory bowel disease

Having sat through a talk on diet by Alfifa at the nimh cancer conference and listened to her saying all research indicates low fat diets are bad for us it was interesting to read the following. http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nature11225.html Research done at Chicago university found the incidence of IBD's doubled wtih rats fed on a diet high in saturated milk fats. Because these fats are difficult to emulsify more bile is produced causing changes in the gut environment and the bacteria living there.One bacterium in particular, Bilophila wadworthia thrives in the bile rich environment and as a consequence went from being

incredibly rare to becoming almost 6% of all the

bacteria in the gut of a mouse fed on high fat milk diet. Any comments anyone? Anne Chiotis

[Guest guest]

I'm presuming this is cows milk? Sheep or goats might be different. Also any mono diet is going to cause imbalances, I thinkSally OwenHaving sat through a talk on diet by Alfifa at the nimh cancer conference and listened to her saying all research indicates low fat diets are bad for us it was interesting to read the following.http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nature11225.html Research done at Chicago university found the incidence of IBD's doubled wtih rats fed on a diet high in saturated milk fats. Because these fats are difficult to emulsify more bile is produced causing changes in the gut environment and the bacteria living there.One bacterium in particular, Bilophila wadworthia thrives in the bile rich environment and as a consequence went from being incredibly rare to becoming almost 6% of all the bacteria in the gut of a mouse fed on high fat milk diet. Any comments anyone? Anne Chiotis

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At the risk of sounding sarcastic, we should remind the authors of the research that rats are not part of the bovine race and do not have the enzymes (rennet) to digest cow's milk, fatty or not....same as humans BTW........

Joe.

  Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD.

"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"

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-- milk fat and inflammatory bowel disease

Having sat through a talk on diet by Alfifa at the nimh cancer conference and listened to her saying all research indicates low fat diets are bad for us it was interesting to read the following.

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nature11225.html

Research done at Chicago university found the incidence of IBD's doubled wtih rats fed on a diet high in saturated milk fats. Because these fats are difficult to emulsify more bile is produced causing changes in the gut environment and the bacteria living there.

One bacterium in particular, Bilophila wadworthia thrives in the bile rich environment and as a consequence went from being incredibly rare to becoming almost 6% of all the bacteria in the gut of a mouse fed on high fat milk diet.

Any comments anyone?

Anne Chiotis

[Guest guest]

Without seeing the methodology and results, its very hard to comment based only

on the abstract, but I would say:

1. Mice are not humans and so unless their gut environment was exactly the same

as human ones - what's the point of the study in transferring the results to

human health?

2. We don't know just how much saturated fat (as a %age of their diet) was fed

to mice. Other animal studies have often fed massive amounts in proportion to

body weight, making the study results totally irrelevant in practical terms.

3. Was the saturated fat isolated from the milk and therefore other constituents

of milk not included? The abstract is not clear on this. But if this is the case

- what does it actually tell us? How we metabolise a whole product and its

effects will be different from isolated elements - as we know from herbal

studies.

Anne

>

> Having sat through a talk on diet by Alfifa at the nimh cancer conference and

listened to her saying all research indicates low fat diets are bad for us it

was interesting to read the following.

> http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nature11225.html

>  

> Research done at Chicago university found the incidence of IBD's doubled wtih

rats fed on a diet high in saturated milk fats. Because these fats are difficult

to emulsify more bile is produced causing changes in the gut environment and the

bacteria living there.

> One bacterium in particular, Bilophila wadworthia thrives in the bile rich

environment and as a consequence went from being incredibly rare to becoming

almost 6% of all the bacteria in the gut of a mouse fed on high fat milk diet.

>  

> Any comments anyone?

>  

> Anne Chiotis

>

[Guest guest]

good point Joe. Sometimes researchers can't see the wood for the trees!! To: ukherbalist <ukherbal-list > Sent: Friday, 15 June 2012, 21:06 Subject: Re: milk fat and inflammatory bowel disease

At the risk of sounding sarcastic, we should remind the authors of the research that rats are not part of the bovine race and do not have the enzymes (rennet) to digest cow's milk, fatty or not....same as humans BTW........

Joe.

  Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD.

"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind"

Visit my new website http://www.naturamedica.webs.com/

-- milk fat and inflammatory bowel disease

Having sat through a talk on diet by Alfifa at the nimh cancer conference and listened to her saying all research indicates low fat diets are bad for us it was interesting to read the following.

http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nature11225.html

Research done at Chicago university found the incidence of IBD's doubled wtih rats fed on a diet high in saturated milk fats. Because these fats are difficult to emulsify more bile is produced causing changes in the gut environment and the bacteria living there.

One bacterium in particular, Bilophila wadworthia thrives in the bile rich environment and as a consequence went from being incredibly rare to becoming almost 6% of all the bacteria in the gut of a mouse fed on high fat milk diet.

Any comments anyone?

Anne Chiotis

[Guest guest]

Of course the rats got sick. They don't have gall bladders....Sent from my iPad

Having sat through a talk on diet by Alfifa at the nimh cancer conference and listened to her saying all research indicates low fat diets are bad for us it was interesting to read the following. http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nature11225.html Research done at Chicago university found the incidence of IBD's doubled wtih rats fed on a diet high in saturated milk fats. Because these fats are difficult to emulsify more bile is produced causing changes in the gut environment and the bacteria living there.One bacterium in particular, Bilophila wadworthia thrives in the bile rich environment and as a consequence went from being incredibly rare to becoming almost 6% of all the

bacteria in the gut of a mouse fed on high fat milk diet. Any comments anyone? Anne Chiotis

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[Guest guest]

ha, ha I didn't know that. Aparently because their diet is low fat they don't need to store their bile for rapid response. What absurd research!!Anne To: "ukherbal-list " <ukherbal-list > Sent: Saturday, 16 June 2012, 20:56 Subject: Re: milk fat and inflammatory bowel disease

Of course the rats got sick. They don't have gall bladders....Sent from my iPad

Having sat through a talk on diet by Alfifa at the nimh cancer conference and listened to her saying all research indicates low fat diets are bad for us it was interesting to read the following. http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/vaop/ncurrent/full/nature11225.html Research done at Chicago university found the incidence of IBD's doubled wtih rats fed on a diet high in saturated milk fats. Because these fats are difficult to emulsify more bile is produced causing changes in the gut environment and the bacteria living there.One bacterium in particular, Bilophila wadworthia thrives in the bile rich environment and as a consequence went from being

incredibly rare to becoming almost 6% of all the

bacteria in the gut of a mouse fed on high fat milk diet. Any comments anyone? Anne Chiotis

=

[Guest guest]

I read through the study quickly but noted that it did not mention

what type of milk was used (Cow? How many mice have been exposed to

cow's milk in nature?) nor whether the milk was pasteurized before

the milk fats were removed. Would not the high heat in

pasteurization affect the quality of the milk fats?

Those poor mice.

Kerry

Without seeing the methodology and results, its very hard

to comment based only on the abstract, but I would say:

1. Mice are not humans and so unless their gut environment

was exactly the same as human ones - what's the point of

the study in transferring the results to human health?

2. We don't know just how much saturated fat (as a %age of

their diet) was fed to mice. Other animal studies have

often fed massive amounts in proportion to body weight,

making the study results totally irrelevant in practical

terms.

3. Was the saturated fat isolated from the milk and

therefore other constituents of milk not included? The

abstract is not clear on this. But if this is the case -

what does it actually tell us? How we metabolise a whole

product and its effects will be different from isolated

elements - as we know from herbal studies.

Anne

-- Kerry Hackett, MNIMH, AHG, OHA

Medical Herbalist

www.kerryhackett.ca