Re: lyme disease and Cowden protocol

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There is no 'transparent' information re: this company that I've been able to find. Prices are exorbitant too- not sure what the client is paying for. Curious what others have found.ilads.org has the burrascano report - worth looking at. Other articles of interest: google: Heiner Fruehauf TCM approach 'Gu Syndrome'- he lays out treatment energetically- v. interesting and lastly look at Winstons article in Medical Herbalism 2006:15 (1) 1-9 (found online just google). The European version of Borrelia infection seems to present with more neural deficits- Is this what you've found? Don't forget to treat the co-infections. Complicated for sure.To: ukherbal-list From: julia@...Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 22:18:25 +0000Subject: lymes

Hi there

Needing some wise words on quality , ability,traceability and plausibility on herbals.

I am treating 4 clients with lymes disease all have very different symptoms.(But do think of lymes when you get a ME type picture don't rule it out) I am using the bruhner protocol( which i have had some success in reducing symptoms along side antibiotics) i.e cats claw andrographis Japaneses knot weed up to 3 capsules 3to 4 times a day and of course many others depending on individual.

There appears to be a relatively new support program by cowden support program using herbs like banderol,burbur, houttuynia,semento, pinella??? Has any one heard of these herbs or used them supposedly the Pinella removes toxins from the brain, spinal chord and nerves. Burbur Detox and Trace Minerals – Relax/Detox taken rotationally detoxify the liver, gall bladder, kidneys, lymphatics, and interstitial spaces (the space between cells)? The "Herbals" are described as being quantaphysicaly imprinted with variety of frequencies??? 30drops twice a day no concentration indicated. Does this mean its homeopathic? Does this mean there verging on schedule 3 ?little more is told about product, is this so no one else can make this collection of special products??? Is this possible? Is this legal?

A nutritionist working with me on one of the Lyme clients wants to use this protocol ( as she recently went to lecture or brain washing i'm still awaiting notes)yet i feel hugely reluctant as i feel there's a marketing and efficacy issue. (People are desperate for cures)

I feel i need to be an expert in something there is little information about. i don't want to put my client off as there might be a placebo effect? I will read more and talk to nutritionist on Monday but thought i would reach out to herbal wisdom before i do.

Thanks for listening and reading.

lymes sites worth checking out if you have clients with lymes.

http://www.lymediseaseaction.org.uk/

http://www.breakspearmedical.com/files/lyme-disease.html

http://brightonlyme.wordpress.com/links/

http://www.healthmatters.org.uk/?p=64

Behrens

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I have a number of pts with Lyme and I am having more success with the Buhner herbs than anything else, partly b/c the main herbs also tackle a number of the co-infections. I do have one pt who did the Cowden thing - I agree, it is very expensive and she did not see any benefit after 1 year. I also had trouble finding out about some of the herbs they use.Most of my clients (maybe all) have neurological problems with it although they vary enormously, except they all struggle with anxiety! Strong adrenal support, thyroid support and they all need to be GF. ( I wonder if the brain lesions occur more easily in people with the impaired BBB that you get with gluten (if you have the genes for the sensitivity)..... maybe someone will pay me one day to find out!) Having looked at a large

number of protocols from various Drs, the GF thing seems to be consistent with all of them (it's not just my findings). Many of the protocols are extremely complicated and far to difficult for many of my very sick ones to accomplish. J Fidler, MCPP, (RH) AHGHerbalist To: ukherbal-list Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2012 7:35 AM Subject: RE: lyme disease and Cowden protocol

There is no 'transparent' information re: this company that I've been able to find. Prices are exorbitant too- not sure what the client is paying for. Curious what others have found.ilads.org has the burrascano report - worth looking at. Other articles of interest: google: Heiner Fruehauf TCM approach 'Gu Syndrome'- he lays out treatment energetically- v. interesting and lastly look at Winstons article in Medical Herbalism 2006:15 (1) 1-9 (found online just google). The European version of Borrelia infection seems to present with more neural deficits- Is this what you've found? Don't forget to treat the co-infections. Complicated for sure.To: ukherbal-list From: julia@...Date: Sat, 16 Jun 2012 22:18:25 +0000Subject:

lymes

Hi there

Needing some wise words on quality , ability,traceability and plausibility on herbals.

I am treating 4 clients with lymes disease all have very different symptoms.(But do think of lymes when you get a ME type picture don't rule it out) I am using the bruhner protocol( which i have had some success in reducing symptoms along side antibiotics) i.e cats claw andrographis Japaneses knot weed up to 3 capsules 3to 4 times a day and of course many others depending on individual.

There appears to be a relatively new support program by cowden support program using herbs like banderol,burbur, houttuynia,semento, pinella??? Has any one heard of these herbs or used them supposedly the Pinella removes toxins from the brain, spinal chord and nerves. Burbur Detox and Trace Minerals – Relax/Detox taken rotationally detoxify the liver, gall bladder, kidneys, lymphatics, and interstitial spaces (the space between cells)? The "Herbals" are described as being quantaphysicaly imprinted with variety of frequencies??? 30drops twice a day no concentration indicated. Does this mean its homeopathic? Does this mean there verging on schedule 3 ?little more is told about product, is this so no one else can make this collection of special products??? Is this possible? Is this legal?

A nutritionist working with me on one of the Lyme clients wants to use this protocol ( as she recently went to lecture or brain washing i'm still awaiting notes)yet i feel hugely reluctant as i feel there's a marketing and efficacy issue. (People are desperate for cures)

I feel i need to be an expert in something there is little information about. i don't want to put my client off as there might be a placebo effect? I will read more and talk to nutritionist on Monday but thought i would reach out to herbal wisdom before i do.

Thanks for listening and reading.

lymes sites worth checking out if you have clients with lymes.

http://www.lymediseaseaction.org.uk/

http://www.breakspearmedical.com/files/lyme-disease.html

http://brightonlyme.wordpress.com/links/

http://www.healthmatters.org.uk/?p=64

Behrens