RE: Diplosaccus sylvestris & Symphytum uplandica

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> UKHerbal-listDear All,

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> Re. Diplosaccus sylvestris (Teasel). Does anyone know of a reputable

supplier who offers a tincture of the first-year root of this plant? (not the

Chinese variety). It is popular among herbalists in America such as

Wood and Weed, particularly as part of a treatment for Lyme's Disease.

I've read that the first year roots are best but I only have 2nd year Teasels

on my allotment (they appeard out of nowhere - I didn't plant them and they

You might have better luck looking for Dipsacus ...

.... also, as per LadyBarbara (who's famous for her use of teasel for Lyme),

you can tincture the seeds.

Henriette

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Dear , as far as I know, Sympytum root preparations are banned from internal use, but not from external use.Marilena. To: ukherbal-list From: andrew.cox@...Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 12:11:18 +0200Subject: Diplosaccus sylvestris & Symphytum uplandica

Dear All,

Re. Diplosaccus sylvestris (Teasel). Does anyone know of a reputable supplier who offers a tincture of the first-year root of this plant? (not the Chinese variety). It is popular among herbalists in America such as Wood and Weed, particularly as part of a treatment for Lyme's Disease. I've read that the first year roots are best but I only have 2nd year Teasels on my allotment (they appeard out of nowhere - I didn't plant them and they are not growing in the locality). I would like to try it this year for a particular client if anyone has the tincture readily available. I am also curious as to why Teasel seems to have disappeared from our European materia medica. It's mentioned in Grieve and, having employed a Goethean-style study of it, my feeling is that it is a potentially very useful ally.

Re. Symphytum uplandica. This is also growing on my allotment and I would like to have the leaf and root analysed for PA content. Please can anyone recommend a suitably qualified person/lab for this purpose, and any idea what the average cost for this kind of analysis might be. Also, am I right in thinking that all preparations of the root of S. officinale (and probably S. uplandica as well) remains officially banned from both external and internal use, while infusion and tincture of dried leaf is still officially permitted for both external and internal use?

Many thanks in anticipation,

, MNIMH

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I have some I made. I use only drop doses with patients, and usually for short periods of time. I am in the US, but if you cannot get it elsewhere I will be happy to mail some to you. J Fidler, MCPP, (RH) AHGHerbalist To: herbalist mail <ukherbal-list > Sent: Wednesday, August 1, 2012 9:55 AM Subject: RE: Diplosaccus sylvestris & Symphytum uplandica

Dear , as far as I know, Sympytum root preparations are banned from internal use, but not from external use.Marilena. To: ukherbal-list From: andrew.cox@...Date: Wed, 1 Aug 2012 12:11:18 +0200Subject: Diplosaccus sylvestris & Symphytum uplandica

Dear All,

Re. Diplosaccus sylvestris (Teasel). Does anyone know of a reputable supplier who offers a tincture of the first-year root of this plant? (not the Chinese variety). It is popular among herbalists in America such as Wood and Weed, particularly as part of a treatment for Lyme's Disease. I've read that the first year roots are best but I only have 2nd year Teasels on my allotment (they appeard out of nowhere - I didn't plant them and they are not growing in the locality). I would like to try it this year for a particular client if anyone has the tincture readily available. I am also curious as to why Teasel seems to have disappeared from our European materia medica. It's mentioned in Grieve and, having employed a Goethean-style study of it, my feeling is that it is a potentially very useful ally.

Re. Symphytum uplandica. This is also growing on my allotment and I would like to have the leaf and root analysed for PA content. Please can anyone recommend a suitably qualified person/lab for this purpose, and any idea what the average cost for this kind of analysis might be. Also, am I right in thinking that all preparations of the root of S. officinale (and probably S. uplandica as well) remains officially banned from both external and internal use, while infusion and tincture of dried leaf is still officially permitted for both external and internal use?

Many thanks in anticipation,

, MNIMH

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Dispasus yes! However all Chinese!Lorraine Lorraine Hodgkinson AHG MRCHMHERBS AND HELPERS6, Butts Fold, Cockermouth,Cumbria, CA13 9HY. UK.Tel: +44 (0) 1900 826392Mobile: 07761 489838 (O2)www.herbalmedicineuk.comOn 1 Aug 2012, at 11:11, " " wrote:

Dear All,

Re. Diplosaccus sylvestris (Teasel). Does anyone know of a reputable supplier who offers a tincture of the first-year root of this plant? (not the Chinese variety). It is popular among herbalists in America such as Wood and Weed, particularly as part of a treatment for Lyme's Disease. I've read that the first year roots are best but I only have 2nd year Teasels on my allotment (they appeard out of nowhere - I didn't plant them and they are not growing in the locality). I would like to try it this year for a particular client if anyone has the tincture readily available. I am also curious as to why Teasel seems to have disappeared from our European materia medica. It's mentioned in Grieve and, having employed a Goethean-style study of it, my feeling is that it is a potentially very useful ally.

Re. Symphytum uplandica. This is also growing on my allotment and I would like to have the leaf and root analysed for PA content. Please can anyone recommend a suitably qualified person/lab for this purpose, and any idea what the average cost for this kind of analysis might be. Also, am I right in thinking that all preparations of the root of S. officinale (and probably S. uplandica as well) remains officially banned from both external and internal use, while infusion and tincture of dried leaf is still officially permitted for both external and internal use?

Many thanks in anticipation,

, MNIMH

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Re. Dipsacus fullonum/sylvestris, I checked Herbs in a Bottle, Rutland and Broad Oak, none of whom do the tincture. Avicenna might but their website is down. Its use in Lyme disease has been mentioned recently by several people at workshops/seminars, though no-one said where they obtained it.

Re. Symphytum spp, root, I have not heard of any ban on external use. I would not use uplandicum.

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Bristol Botanicals have Dipascus tincture and quite a few other unusual ones.http://www.bristolbotanicals.co.uk/pr-1176Register for a trade account and the price comes down. I have not ordered from them yet though.

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Just realised I posted a link to Dipsacus asperoides not Dipsacus fullonum/sylvestrisprobably not quite what you were after!

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Hi Ruth, what is wrong with the S. uplandicum?marilena. To: ukherbal-list From: ruthbaker.herbalist@...Date: Sat, 4 Aug 2012 11:27:17 +0100Subject: Re: Diplosaccus sylvestris & Symphytum uplandica

Re. Dipsacus fullonum/sylvestris, I checked Herbs in a Bottle, Rutland and Broad Oak, none of whom do the tincture. Avicenna might but their website is down. Its use in Lyme disease has been mentioned recently by several people at workshops/seminars, though no-one said where they obtained it.

Re. Symphytum spp, root, I have not heard of any ban on external use. I would not use uplandicum.

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Does it have to be tincture?Lorraine Lorraine Hodgkinson AHG MRCHMHERBS AND HELPERS6, Butts Fold, Cockermouth,Cumbria, CA13 9HY. UK.Tel: +44 (0) 1900 826392Mobile: 07761 489838 (O2)www.herbalmedicineuk.comOn 4 Aug 2012, at 11:27, Ruth baker wrote:

Re. Dipsacus fullonum/sylvestris, I checked Herbs in a Bottle, Rutland and Broad Oak, none of whom do the tincture. Avicenna might but their website is down. Its use in Lyme disease has been mentioned recently by several people at workshops/seminars, though no-one said where they obtained it.

Re. Symphytum spp, root, I have not heard of any ban on external use. I would not use uplandicum.