Re: Re: Nadia - elevated aluminum: we think mercury toxication - chelation needed?

[Guest guest]

I sure hope the DMSA would also help for aluminum, till now I only heard of

malic acid for aluminum.

We're giving him probiotics but we're not sure if it is a good one. We're

still looking to find the right supplements, everything's having different

names, sometimes it's hard to find it over here.

Nadia

2006/1/4, Marin Simina :

>

> Nadia,

>

> DMSA will remove other heavy metals beside lead (including mercury,

> aluminum, ...). And based on your description, I don't think he

> experienced any regresion (nor side effects). However, constipation

> is a BIG problem and I would take care of it immediately (otherwise,

> the toxins and metals will not get eliminated and also gut bugs will

> become an issue). Our DAN told us that exema might be from

> aluminium (and after the first round of chelation with oral DMSA, my

> son's exema was gone).

>

> Marin

>

>

> >

> > Hi Jan,

> >

> > tx for your reply. I will start with some more background for our

> son who is

> > 8yo and dx PDD - Asperger syndrome when he was 6yo. As a baby he

> had severe

> > intolerance for milk while I was breastfeeding so we both were on

> a caseine

> > free diet. This lasted till he was about 5 years but since he

> never ate

> > diary as a baby he doesn't like diary products a lot.

> > The only thing we noticed is that he has eczema which worsenes

> when taking

> > colourings. So i think we managed to have our kids eat " healthy "

> and we try

> > to buy only organic products.

> > Two months ago we started the GF diet and supplementing him. He is

> more

> > happier now and looks healthier. But there was no great

> improvement in

> > social interaction or attention.

> > Because we found out that there was a lead intoxication due to

> lead paint in

> > the house, we decided to start with chelation via oral dmsa, low

> doses of 33

> > mg every 4 hours, a couple of days. During this days, we saw a

> decrease in

> > hyperactivity, no increase in other symptoms. So is this

> regression only

> > observable with mercury toxicity and not with lead?

> > When do you notice a regression, immediately after starting with

> chelation

> > or afterwards?

> > Considering his gut, the only problem we observed here is

> constipation,

> > which could be due to the lead intoxication?

> >

> > So how can we now when gut is really an issue? There are no Dan

> doctors in

> > Belgium as far as we know, our general practioner can't help us

> because she

> > is not trained for this kind of stuff, she says. Glenn has been

> treated by a

> > toxicologist who gave him DMPS IV which severely affected him, he

> clearly

> > 'regressed' to a state he never has been in befor.

> > We're now following the protocol of Andy Cutler.

> >

> > We have been exploring all these things for 2 years now to find

> help for our

> > son, but so far we think we are on our own here in Belgium.

> >

> > Nadia & Glenn

> >

> >

> > 2006/1/4, Jan Brenton <janbrenton@i...>:

> > >

> > > Nadia -

> > >

> > > just a word of caution about oral DMSA in particular (and any

> other

> > > chelating protocols) - it's essential to get the

> gastrointestinal tract

> > > clear before you start oral DMSA and to ensure there are no

> problems with

> > > candida/yeast ...if your son has only been on a diet for 2

> months am

> > > wondering what else you have done to prepare him for chelation?

> is he

> > > taking any probiotics? - sorry I don't know your child's

> history or age

> > > but

> > > I do know several children who have regressed really badly on

> oral DMSA

> > > because their gut was not fully prepared - oral DMSA has a

> history of

> > > attracting yeast problems leading to severe gut dysbiosis ...do

> you have a

> > > DAN doc at the helm? the good biomedical docs are usually very

> > > conservative

> > > about introducing chelation protocols and try and ensure that

> the immune

> > > system is viable enough to cope with chelation (in any

> form) ...your

> > > little

> > > fellow is making good headway on the diet ...perhaps go into

> that a bit

> > > more

> > > and maybe (if you have not already done so) remove colourings

> sugar

> > > preservatives soy products - your boy may well be experiencing

> > > withdrawal

> > > symtoms now that dairy and gluten have been removed (a bit like

> an addict

> > > coming off drugs) and that may account for his mood swings -

> there may

> > > be more dietry infactions which are adversely affecting him that

> you are

> > > not

> > > yet aware of ... we are all so anxious to help our kids recover

> but to

> > > " hasten slowly "

> > > is a good guideline to give his body the chance to recover and

> build up

> > > his

> > > immune

> > > system before you do chelation ...

> > >

> > > having lived through " regression " on oral DMSA I wouldn't want

> your boy

> > > (or you) to experience the same ..our DAN no longer uses oral

> DMSA there

> > > were too many problems ....just my thoughts born on

> experience .... best

> > > of

> > > luck on your recovery walk -

> > >

> > > jan brenton (biomedical autism group)

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > From: " Nadia Diraä " <diraa.nadia@g...>

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Hi list, dr McCandless,

> > >

> > > we started chelating our son with oral dmsa last week. He has

> been on the

> > > GF/CF diet for almost two months now but we don't know how his

> gut is.

> > > Due to this diet, he seemed more happy, smiling a lot, hugging

> etc. But

> > > his

> > > mood swings were more extreme, to the point that he started

> hitting kids

> > > in

> > > school.

> > > We also started supplementing him and chelating is the next step.

> > > We use dmsa because of the lead but what should we do about the

> aluminum?

> > > We

> > > didn't find any dietary intake yet, we read everywhere it should

> come down

> > > on its own so this is really puzzling us.

> > >

> > > thanks for letting us share our thoughts about this,

> > >

> > > Glenn & Nadia

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > 2005/12/22, nadiadiraa <diraa.nadia@g...>:

> > > >

> > > > Dear Dr. McCandless,

> > > >

> > > > First of all thanks for the wonderfull & informatif book you

> wrote !

> > > > We are the parents of Staf, 8 years old , and diagnosed

> as " highly

> > > > functional in the autisme spectrum " . He is now on the GF/CF

> diet &

> > > > supplements, enzymes and probiotics and we see some

> improvements:

> > > > motor skills and good mood.

> > > > We did a hair test (for the results, see below) and were

> trying to

> > > > do a right interpretation with Andy Cutlers book Hair Test

> > > > Interpretation. The counting rules don't apply for his

> essential

> > > > elements. But we found " indirect clues " . Page 87, Andy

> > > > states " Alumnium may become elevated due to mercury induced

> > > > derangement of mineral transport before the test meets a

> counting

> > > > rule. Some suspicion regarding the prescence of mercury is

> > > > appropriate in a test with elevated alumnium, especially if

> > > > accompanied by one or more of antimony, nickel, tin or

> titanium. "

> > > > There are three other reasons we think mercury is the problem

> > > > (besides the high aluminum and lead)

> > > > 1) When he is exited, he flaps with his hands and runs in

> > > > patterns. There are other behaviors like extremely shy, no or

> less

> > > > eye contact, etc . which we think are typical mercury induced.

> > > > 2) He had many vaccinations with mercury. His mother has 7

> > > > amalgam fillings. The last two vaccines, on the ages of 4,5

> and 6

> > > > year, contained aluminumhydroxide. Around this period he had

> the

> > > > most clearly transition in " autisme spectrum " we believe, due

> to

> > > > synergetic effects between the neurotoxins. Could it be that

> the

> > > > high reading for aluminum in the hair test is from those

> vaccines 2

> > > > years ago ?

> > > > 3) Mercury runs in the family. I (his father) am

> currently

> > > > recovering from amalgam illness (again with the help of Andy

> Cutlers

> > > > book Amalgam Illness) and my mother (grandmother from Staf) is

> > > > suffering from schizophrenia, wich first occurred shortly

> after her

> > > > first amalgam fillings on the age of 30 years.

> > > >

> > > > All together we think we got a " high probability " for mercury.

> Do

> > > > you agree ?

> > > > We are currently in counseling with a toxicologue but the new

> > > > paradigma on autism children is still not known in Belgium. We

> think

> > > > that chelation with DMSA is appropriate, especially for lead.

> And if

> > > > there's mercury it has to show up in the urine tests.

> > > > We read that you can chelate aluminum with malic acid. Wich

> protocol

> > > > do you use ? Is this like ALA, a few days every 3 hours and

> the same

> > > > quantity in mg?

> > > >

> > > > I hope you can give us some advice on how we can help our son

> to

> > > > become again the wonderful kid he was as a toddler.

> > > > We also include the results of his hair test.

> > > >

> > > > Glenn & Nadia

> > > >

> > > > TOXIC RESULT for Staf, 8 yo, male

> > > > REFERENCE PERCENTILE ELEMENTS µg/g RANGE 68th 95th

> > > > Aluminum 20 < 8.0 yellow, almost red

> > > > Antimony 0.032 < 0.066 green

> > > > Arsenic 0.042 < 0.080 green

> > > > Beryllium 0.01 < 0.020 no trace of it

> > > > Bismuth 0.024 < 0.12 green

> > > > Cadmium 0.028 < 0.15 green

> > > > Lead 1.2 < 1.0 yellow (just over 68th percentile)

> > > > Mercury 0.10 < 0.40 green

> > > > Platinum < 0.003 < 0.005 no trace of it

> > > > Thallium < 0.001 < 0.010 no trace of it

> > > > Thorium < 0.001 < 0.005 no trace of it

> > > > Uranium 0.005 < 0.060 green

> > > > Nickel 0.24 < 0.40 green

> > > > Silver 0.20 < 0.13 yellow (just over 68th percentile)

> > > > Tin 0.16 < 0.30 green

> > > > Titanium 0.33 < 1.0 green

> > > > Total Toxic Representation yellow (just over 68th percentile)

> > > > ESSENTIAL AND OTHER ELEMENTS

> > > > RESULT REFERENCE PERCENTILE

> > > > ELEMENTS µg/g RANGE 2.5th 16th 50th 84th 97.5th

> > > > Calcium 349 160- 500 green to the left

> > > > Magnesium 18 12- 50 green to the left

> > > > Sodium 66 12- 90 green to the right

> > > > Potassium 65 10- 40 yellow (84th percentile)

> > > > Copper 8.9 9.0- 30 green (almost 16th percentile)

> > > > Zinc 110 110- 190 green (almost 16th percentile)

> > > > Manganese 0.18 0.18- 0.60 green (almost 16th percentile)

> > > > Chromium 0.64 0.23- 0.50 yellow (cc. 90th percentile)

> > > > Vanadium 0.075 0.025- 0.10 green to the right

> > > > Molybdenum 0.063 0.040- 0.089 green to the right

> > > > Boron 1.1 0.50- 3.5 green to the left

> > > > Iodine 0.58 0.25- 1.3 white to the right

> > > > Lithium 0.011 0.007- 0.023 white to the right

> > > > Phosphorus 126 160- 250 yellow, almost to the 2.5th

> > > > Selenium 0.65 0.95- 1.7 yellow, almost to the 2.5th

> > > > Strontium 2.7 0.21- 2.1 yellow to the right

> > > > Sulfur 46400 45500- 53000 green to the left

> > > > Barium 0.52 0.19- 1.6 white to the left

> > > > Cobalt 0.017 0.013- 0.035 green to the left

> > > > Iron 16 6.0- 17 green to the right

> > > > Germanium 0.040 0.045- 0.065 yellow to the left

> > > > Rubidium 0.047 0.008- 0.080 green to the right

> > > > Zirconium 0.089 0.060- 0.70 yellow to the left

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Many frequently asked questions and answers can be found at <

> > > > http://forums.autism-rxguidebook.com/default.aspx>

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

[Guest guest]

I am about to switch to Klaire Labs Complete and Factor 4 formulations as we

start oral DMSA.

I missed the beginning of this thread. Jan, can you describe the regression

you saw with DMSA?

Thanks,

--

Rima Regas

Mom to Leah, age 8 (AS, DSI and APD)

http://www.sensoryintegrationhelp.com

>

> I sure hope the DMSA would also help for aluminum, till now I only heard

> of

> malic acid for aluminum.

> We're giving him probiotics but we're not sure if it is a good one. We're

> still looking to find the right supplements, everything's having different

> names, sometimes it's hard to find it over here.

>

> Nadia

>

> 2006/1/4, Marin Simina :

> >

> > Nadia,

> >

> > DMSA will remove other heavy metals beside lead (including mercury,

> > aluminum, ...). And based on your description, I don't think he

> > experienced any regresion (nor side effects). However, constipation

> > is a BIG problem and I would take care of it immediately (otherwise,

> > the toxins and metals will not get eliminated and also gut bugs will

> > become an issue). Our DAN told us that exema might be from

> > aluminium (and after the first round of chelation with oral DMSA, my

> > son's exema was gone).

> >

> > Marin

> >

> >

> > >

> > > Hi Jan,

> > >

> > > tx for your reply. I will start with some more background for our

> > son who is

> > > 8yo and dx PDD - Asperger syndrome when he was 6yo. As a baby he

> > had severe

> > > intolerance for milk while I was breastfeeding so we both were on

> > a caseine

> > > free diet. This lasted till he was about 5 years but since he

> > never ate

> > > diary as a baby he doesn't like diary products a lot.

> > > The only thing we noticed is that he has eczema which worsenes

> > when taking

> > > colourings. So i think we managed to have our kids eat " healthy "

> > and we try

> > > to buy only organic products.

> > > Two months ago we started the GF diet and supplementing him. He is

> > more

> > > happier now and looks healthier. But there was no great

> > improvement in

> > > social interaction or attention.

> > > Because we found out that there was a lead intoxication due to

> > lead paint in

> > > the house, we decided to start with chelation via oral dmsa, low

> > doses of 33

> > > mg every 4 hours, a couple of days. During this days, we saw a

> > decrease in

> > > hyperactivity, no increase in other symptoms. So is this

> > regression only

> > > observable with mercury toxicity and not with lead?

> > > When do you notice a regression, immediately after starting with

> > chelation

> > > or afterwards?

> > > Considering his gut, the only problem we observed here is

> > constipation,

> > > which could be due to the lead intoxication?