Guest guest Posted February 23, 2008 Report Share Posted February 23, 2008 Hi Niamh, I have never used it nor, unfortunatelly, do I know much about it, would you recommend any good sources of information? When do you use it? I remember Winston talking about it in the context of anxiety but I have never tried it. Niamh McGinley wrote: Hi nice observations on crataegus there. Have you considered cactus grandiflorus? Niamh > > Hi Gursewa, > that is really interesting - I usually use both in hypertension, berries > being more of a vascular tonic out of the two whilst tops being stronger > hypotensive (I also have noticed that tops have stronger action on blood > pressure). But I have two cases of hypotensive patients to whom I gave > berries extract and their blood pressure got even lower (both were young > women in twenties and always had blood pressures on the lower side, they > both had poor circulation and anxiety related palpitations but nothing wrong > with their hearts). > Thanks for pointing it out > Newton > > herbalist@... <herbalist%40medherb.co.uk> wrote: > hi, > wrote: 'I would be very careful with Crataegus in hypotention, as it > can definitely make it worse' > This is one of the reasons I find it very useful to differentiate between > the berry and tops. From my observations I do not find the berries as > hypotensive and find them very supportive to a weak heart. I find the tops > much more useful in vascular issues, hypertension, etc. Interestingly, the > Commision E monographs also distinguish between the berries and tops. > > regards, > gursewa harrad. > > Hi , > I had a chat some time ago about treating a patient on warfarin with Kerry > Bone and he was quite relaxed about mixing many herbs with it as long as the > patient is monitored. I have treated one patient with heart failure and > warfarin (and 10 other drugs or so) with small doses of Convallaria, > Crataegus, Tarax rad and Salix (the latter for the joint pain and the dose > was as for a normal patient). There hasn't been any noticable difference to > the INR readings over the period when herbs were taken. However, I would be > very careful with Crataegus in hypotention, as it can definitely make it > worse. Out of interest: why is he on hypotensive(s) and diuretics? Was he > hypertensive before? > Hope it helps > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2008 Report Share Posted March 10, 2008 a good place to start is the eclectic herbals on Henriette's website to get a feel for the plant. writes about it too far as i remember, you could try his website at swsbm. niamh > > Hi Niamh, > I have never used it nor, unfortunatelly, do I know much about it, would > you recommend any good sources of information? When do you use it? I > remember Winston talking about it in the context of anxiety but I have > never tried it. > > > > Niamh McGinley <niamhmcginley@... <niamhmcginley%40gmail.com>> > wrote: > Hi > > nice observations on crataegus there. Have you considered cactus > grandiflorus? > Niamh > > On 2/20/08, anna newton <anna.newton@...<anna.newton%40btinternet.com>> > wrote: > > > > Hi Gursewa, > > that is really interesting - I usually use both in hypertension, berries > > being more of a vascular tonic out of the two whilst tops being stronger > > hypotensive (I also have noticed that tops have stronger action on blood > > pressure). But I have two cases of hypotensive patients to whom I gave > > berries extract and their blood pressure got even lower (both were young > > women in twenties and always had blood pressures on the lower side, they > > both had poor circulation and anxiety related palpitations but nothing > wrong > > with their hearts). > > Thanks for pointing it out > > Newton > > > > herbalist@... <herbalist%40medherb.co.uk><herbalist%40medherb.co.uk> wrote: > > hi, > > wrote: 'I would be very careful with Crataegus in hypotention, as > it > > can definitely make it worse' > > This is one of the reasons I find it very useful to differentiate > between > > the berry and tops. From my observations I do not find the berries as > > hypotensive and find them very supportive to a weak heart. I find the > tops > > much more useful in vascular issues, hypertension, etc. Interestingly, > the > > Commision E monographs also distinguish between the berries and tops. > > > > regards, > > gursewa harrad. > > > > Hi , > > I had a chat some time ago about treating a patient on warfarin with > Kerry > > Bone and he was quite relaxed about mixing many herbs with it as long as > the > > patient is monitored. I have treated one patient with heart failure and > > warfarin (and 10 other drugs or so) with small doses of Convallaria, > > Crataegus, Tarax rad and Salix (the latter for the joint pain and the > dose > > was as for a normal patient). There hasn't been any noticable difference > to > > the INR readings over the period when herbs were taken. However, I would > be > > very careful with Crataegus in hypotention, as it can definitely make it > > worse. Out of interest: why is he on hypotensive(s) and diuretics? Was > he > > hypertensive before? > > Hope it helps > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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