Guest guest Posted November 25, 2008 Report Share Posted November 25, 2008 Hi there I was wondering if anyone has had success with stubborn cases of diabetes type II? I have one patient who has been on the usual herbs, supplements and diet for about 4 months and he hasn't shown much improvement. His blood sugar refuses to shift from about 15.  In fact when he goes out and drinks wine, beer and eats bbq ribs and doughnuts, the next day his blood sugar is 9! Anyone else come across anything like this? Would appreciate any suggestions! thanks Sharita ________________________________ To: ukherbal-list Sent: Tuesday, 25 November 2008 9:41:45 Subject: Re: Gold, insense and myrrh Hi - the essential oil of incense is a great cough reliever and good for chesty things in general in combination with other more obvious things like eucalyptus (applied externally in a cream/oil base). Great skin rejuvenator when used in a cream with other oils ike geranium and rose. Also it has a reputation as a great spiritual comforter which I have found to be true - a drop or two over water in an essential oil burner with something like cinnamon or rose is lovely. Hope the talk goes well good luck with it. Alison > > Hya, am doing a workshop at the Natural History museum on the medicinal uses of Gold , incense and Myrrh, and looking for a bit of help, please. > Can wing it and gloss over on the gold - though obviously will do some research. Myrrh I am quite good on, use it as a first aid and mouthulcer staple. But Botswellia hasn't really been one of my herbs; am only just beginning to learn how to use it. Does anyone have any anecdotes, case histories about their use of it in practice? Would like to gather one or two personal experiences of contemporary herbalists' use. > Thank you, > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - ----------- > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG. > Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.9.9/1808 - Release Date: 23/11/2008 18:59 > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2008 Report Share Posted November 26, 2008 His adrenals are probably working overtime in the night to overcome the sugars. Is he wakeful in the early morning hours? In addition to the usual blood lowering herbs he will need hefty doses of cortisol/adrenaline normalising herbs and some additional magnesium and chromium. His blood sugars will never balance if he eats/drinks like that! J Fidler, MCPP, (RH) AHG Herbalist > > Subject: Re: diabetes II > To: ukherbal-list > Date: Tuesday, November 25, 2008, 9:29 PM > Hi there > > I was wondering if anyone has had success with stubborn > cases of diabetes type II? I have one patient who has been > on the usual herbs, supplements and diet for about 4 > months and he hasn't shown much improvement. His blood > sugar refuses to shift from about 15. In fact when he goes > out and drinks wine, beer and eats bbq ribs and doughnuts, > the next day his blood sugar is 9! Anyone else come across > anything like this? Would appreciate any suggestions! > > thanks > Sharita > > > > ________________________________ > > To: ukherbal-list > Sent: Tuesday, 25 November 2008 9:41:45 > Subject: Re: Gold, insense and myrrh > > > Hi - the essential oil of incense is a great cough > reliever and > good for chesty things in general in combination with other > more > obvious things like eucalyptus (applied externally in a > cream/oil > base). Great skin rejuvenator when used in a cream with > other oils > ike geranium and rose. Also it has a reputation as a great > spiritual > comforter which I have found to be true - a drop or two > over water > in an essential oil burner with something like cinnamon or > rose is > lovely. Hope the talk goes well good luck with it. Alison > > > > > > Hya, am doing a workshop at the Natural History museum > on the > medicinal uses of Gold , incense and Myrrh, and > looking for a > bit of help, please. > > Can wing it and gloss over on the gold - though > obviously will do > some research. Myrrh I am quite good on, use it as a first > aid and > mouthulcer staple. But Botswellia hasn't really been > one of my > herbs; am only just beginning to learn how to use it. Does > anyone > have any anecdotes, case histories about their use of it in > > practice? Would like to gather one or two personal > experiences of > contemporary herbalists' use. > > Thank you, > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- > --------- - > ----------- > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG. > > Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.9.9/1808 - > Release Date: > 23/11/2008 18:59 > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2008 Report Share Posted November 26, 2008 Dr Clements is talking about healing diabetes with dieton Tuesday 2nd December at 6.30pm in London - CNM 41 Riding st London W1 email info@... for details He is a brilliant man and an inspiring speaker runs Hippocrates Health Institute in Florida. They are reversing diabetes 1 and 2 out there and getting great results. People are coming off their insulin after only weeks of treatment. Maybe you are nowhere near London, but this info may be useful to other herbalists who are. Good luck Fiona On 26/11/08 03:29, " sharita rowbottom " wrote: > > > > Hi there > > I was wondering if anyone has had success with stubborn cases of diabetes type > II? I have one patient who has been on the usual herbs, supplements and diet > for about 4 months and he hasn't shown much improvement. His blood sugar > refuses to shift from about 15. In fact when he goes out and drinks wine, > beer and eats bbq ribs and doughnuts, the next day his blood sugar is 9! > Anyone else come across anything like this? Would appreciate any suggestions! > > thanks > Sharita > > ________________________________ > From: alisonpolly <alisonpolly@... <mailto:alisonpolly%40hotmail.com> > > > To: ukherbal-list <mailto:ukherbal-list%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tuesday, 25 November 2008 9:41:45 > Subject: Re: Gold, insense and myrrh > > Hi - the essential oil of incense is a great cough reliever and > good for chesty things in general in combination with other more > obvious things like eucalyptus (applied externally in a cream/oil > base). Great skin rejuvenator when used in a cream with other oils > ike geranium and rose. Also it has a reputation as a great spiritual > comforter which I have found to be true - a drop or two over water > in an essential oil burner with something like cinnamon or rose is > lovely. Hope the talk goes well good luck with it. Alison > > >> > >> > Hya, am doing a workshop at the Natural History museum on the > medicinal uses of Gold , incense and Myrrh, and looking for a > bit of help, please. >> > Can wing it and gloss over on the gold - though obviously will do > some research. Myrrh I am quite good on, use it as a first aid and > mouthulcer staple. But Botswellia hasn't really been one of my > herbs; am only just beginning to learn how to use it. Does anyone > have any anecdotes, case histories about their use of it in > practice? Would like to gather one or two personal experiences of > contemporary herbalists' use. >> > Thank you, >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- --------- - > ----------- >> > >> > >> > No virus found in this incoming message. >> > Checked by AVG. >> > Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.9.9/1808 - Release Date: > 23/11/2008 18:59 >> > >> > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2008 Report Share Posted November 26, 2008 Dear Sharita, My husband is a type 2 diabetic and he is generally controlling his blood sugars following a low carb diet. It is only last year that he went on to Metformin, from diagnosis in 1999, along with herbs that I have prescribed. We also supplement B vitamins, magnesium, vitamin E, cod liver oil and chromium. We are members of the Dr Bernstein diabetes forum (http://www.diabetes-book.com/) which is very supportive of this rather lower carb approach than usual. Many of the members have A1cs in the 4s and 5s (a near normal range for a diabetic, although many medics worry that this is too low! However, bearing in mind that damage is caused to various body systems by BGs over 140 dl/ml - approximately 7 mmol/l, the lower you can keep them the better to ensure minimisation of associated risks such as micro- and macrovascular problems leading to kidney and eye damage, amputations, heart disease, etc.) Hubby is not quite so good at toeing the line but does notice a huge different in BG readings when he strays. This way of life does require a strong element of motivation, which might be a sticking point in the patient you describe :-) You have a choice - realise that like it or not you do have a serious condition and need to make changes, or stay as you are and suffer the likely consequences. >In fact when he goes >> out and drinks wine, beer and eats bbq ribs and doughnuts, >> the next day his blood sugar is 9! Alcohol does have a BG lowering effect as the liver deals with the alcohol and is diverted from dumping glucose into the blood. This may be why, despite the awful food choices, his BGs reduce. We actually use this 'medicinal' effect of alcohol by having a Gin and diet Tonic, and or a glass of red wine (Merlot is supposed to be particularly beneficial) with our evening meal. It does seem to have a mild effect on BG readings. But it has to be moderate consumption. Hope this all helps - if there is anything else you might like to know, just send an email. Kind Regards, -- www.EFT-Reiki.com www.EFT-not-HRT.com " Menopause - Hormonal Balance With EFT " eBook In message , susan fidler writes > >His adrenals are probably working overtime in the night to >overcome the sugars. Is he wakeful in the early morning hours? >In addition to the usual blood lowering herbs he will need hefty >doses of cortisol/adrenaline normalising herbs and some additional >magnesium and chromium. His blood sugars will never balance if he >eats/drinks like that! > > J Fidler, MCPP, (RH) AHG >Herbalist > > > >> >> Subject: Re: diabetes II >> To: ukherbal-list >> Date: Tuesday, November 25, 2008, 9:29 PM >> Hi there >> >> I was wondering if anyone has had success with stubborn >> cases of diabetes type II? I have one patient who has been >> on the usual herbs, supplements and diet for about 4 >> months and he hasn't shown much improvement. His blood >> sugar refuses to shift from about 15. In fact when he goes >> out and drinks wine, beer and eats bbq ribs and doughnuts, >> the next day his blood sugar is 9! Anyone else come across >> anything like this? Would appreciate any suggestions! >> >> thanks >> Sharita Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2008 Report Share Posted November 26, 2008 Hi Sharita, On a diet like that I am not surprised he has difficulty with his glycaemic control! In addition, if he is overweight and has a low physical activity level, this will compound his insulin resistance. Alcohol markedly suppresses gluconeogenesis and so has a hypoglycaemic effect. In patients on insulin or sulphonylurea drugs, alcohol taken on its own can cause severe and life threatening hypos. Therefore, it is essential that patients on these hypoglycaemic medications consume alcohol only in conjunction with adequate carbohydrate (before, during and after alcohol) and limit alcohol intake to less than the current safe drinking limits (a maximum of 2 units/day for women and 3 uints/day for men) . Diabetic patients treated with diet alone or metformin are not at risk of severe hypos but since many are overweight the high energy content of alcohol should not be overlooked and alcohol tends to exacerbate hypertriglyceridaemia, common in many type 2 diabetics. Therefore, drinking alcohol is not a good way to help control blood glucose levels. I would suggest that before recommending vitamin and mineral supplements he needs help to lose some weight (even 5-10% body weight loss will help), increase his physical activity level daily and work on a more healthy diet with regular balanced meals: Low GI with adequate intake of wholegrain bread and cereals, pulses nuts and seeds; Plenty of fruit and veg > 5 portions a day; Lean meat, poultry and plenty of oily fish; Low saturated fat/moderate monounsaturated fat/high in omega-3 foods. All this is easier said than done of course! Diabetes UK is a great resource for patients and check out the Recipes and Store Tour in the shopping section and the Alcohol and diabetes section: http://www.diabetes.org.uk/Guide-to-diabetes/Food_and_recipes/Alcohol_and_diabet\ es/ Regards Charlotte From: sharita rowbottom Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 3:29 AM To: ukherbal-list Subject: Re: diabetes II Hi there I was wondering if anyone has had success with stubborn cases of diabetes type II? I have one patient who has been on the usual herbs, supplements and diet for about 4 months and he hasn't shown much improvement. His blood sugar refuses to shift from about 15. In fact when he goes out and drinks wine, beer and eats bbq ribs and doughnuts, the next day his blood sugar is 9! Anyone else come across anything like this? Would appreciate any suggestions! thanks Sharita .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2008 Report Share Posted November 27, 2008 Hi Charlotte thanks for your feedback. I agree, but he has changed his diet considerably and this was just a bingey business trip that he went on. He has been following all the standard advice and there has been no change in his levels, in fact at one point they went up. You are right he could do with losing some weight, and he has started exercising again, so hopefully that will help as well. thanks Sharita ________________________________ To: ukherbal-list Sent: Thursday, 27 November 2008 5:25:22 Subject: Re: Re: diabetes II Hi Sharita, On a diet like that I am not surprised he has difficulty with his glycaemic control! In addition, if he is overweight and has a low physical activity level, this will compound his insulin resistance. Alcohol markedly suppresses gluconeogenesis and so has a hypoglycaemic effect. In patients on insulin or sulphonylurea drugs, alcohol taken on its own can cause severe and life threatening hypos. Therefore, it is essential that patients on these hypoglycaemic medications consume alcohol only in conjunction with adequate carbohydrate (before, during and after alcohol) and limit alcohol intake to less than the current safe drinking limits (a maximum of 2 units/day for women and 3 uints/day for men) . Diabetic patients treated with diet alone or metformin are not at risk of severe hypos but since many are overweight the high energy content of alcohol should not be overlooked and alcohol tends to exacerbate hypertriglyceridaem ia, common in many type 2 diabetics. Therefore, drinking alcohol is not a good way to help control blood glucose levels. I would suggest that before recommending vitamin and mineral supplements he needs help to lose some weight (even 5-10% body weight loss will help), increase his physical activity level daily and work on a more healthy diet with regular balanced meals: Low GI with adequate intake of wholegrain bread and cereals, pulses nuts and seeds; Plenty of fruit and veg > 5 portions a day; Lean meat, poultry and plenty of oily fish; Low saturated fat/moderate monounsaturated fat/high in omega-3 foods. All this is easier said than done of course! Diabetes UK is a great resource for patients and check out the Recipes and Store Tour in the shopping section and the Alcohol and diabetes section: http://www.diabetes .org.uk/Guide- to-diabetes/ Food_and_ recipes/Alcohol_ and_diabetes/ Regards Charlotte From: sharita rowbottom Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 3:29 AM To: ukherbal-list@ yahoogroups. com Subject: Re: diabetes II Hi there I was wondering if anyone has had success with stubborn cases of diabetes type II? I have one patient who has been on the usual herbs, supplements and diet for about 4 months and he hasn't shown much improvement. His blood sugar refuses to shift from about 15. In fact when he goes out and drinks wine, beer and eats bbq ribs and doughnuts, the next day his blood sugar is 9! Anyone else come across anything like this? Would appreciate any suggestions! thanks Sharita .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2008 Report Share Posted November 27, 2008 thanks , this is good to hear as the standard recommended diet doesn't seem to be working in general for this guy. Will look into this approach further with interest. thanks for your help Sharita ________________________________ To: ukherbal-list Sent: Thursday, 27 November 2008 3:34:21 Subject: Re: Re: diabetes II Dear Sharita, My husband is a type 2 diabetic and he is generally controlling his blood sugars following a low carb diet. It is only last year that he went on to Metformin, from diagnosis in 1999, along with herbs that I have prescribed. We also supplement B vitamins, magnesium, vitamin E, cod liver oil and chromium. We are members of the Dr Bernstein diabetes forum (http://www.diabetes -book.com/) which is very supportive of this rather lower carb approach than usual. Many of the members have A1cs in the 4s and 5s (a near normal range for a diabetic, although many medics worry that this is too low! However, bearing in mind that damage is caused to various body systems by BGs over 140 dl/ml - approximately 7 mmol/l, the lower you can keep them the better to ensure minimisation of associated risks such as micro- and macrovascular problems leading to kidney and eye damage, amputations, heart disease, etc.) Hubby is not quite so good at toeing the line but does notice a huge different in BG readings when he strays. This way of life does require a strong element of motivation, which might be a sticking point in the patient you describe :-) You have a choice - realise that like it or not you do have a serious condition and need to make changes, or stay as you are and suffer the likely consequences. >In fact when he goes >> out and drinks wine, beer and eats bbq ribs and doughnuts, >> the next day his blood sugar is 9! Alcohol does have a BG lowering effect as the liver deals with the alcohol and is diverted from dumping glucose into the blood. This may be why, despite the awful food choices, his BGs reduce. We actually use this 'medicinal' effect of alcohol by having a Gin and diet Tonic, and or a glass of red wine (Merlot is supposed to be particularly beneficial) with our evening meal. It does seem to have a mild effect on BG readings. But it has to be moderate consumption. Hope this all helps - if there is anything else you might like to know, just send an email. Kind Regards, -- www.EFT-Reiki. com www.EFT-not- HRT.com " Menopause - Hormonal Balance With EFT " eBook In message <472280.59799. qmweb52503 (DOT) mail.re2. yahoo.com>, susan fidler <riverdellherbs@ yahoo.com> writes > >His adrenals are probably working overtime in the night to >overcome the sugars. Is he wakeful in the early morning hours? >In addition to the usual blood lowering herbs he will need hefty >doses of cortisol/adrenaline normalising herbs and some additional >magnesium and chromium. His blood sugars will never balance if he >eats/drinks like that! > > J Fidler, MCPP, (RH) AHG >Herbalist > > > >> From: sharita rowbottom <sharitarowbottom@ yahoo.com. sg> >> Subject: Re: diabetes II >> To: ukherbal-list@ yahoogroups. com >> Date: Tuesday, November 25, 2008, 9:29 PM >> Hi there >> >> I was wondering if anyone has had success with stubborn >> cases of diabetes type II? I have one patient who has been >> on the usual herbs, supplements and diet for about 4 >> months and he hasn't shown much improvement. His blood >> sugar refuses to shift from about 15.  In fact when he goes >> out and drinks wine, beer and eats bbq ribs and doughnuts, >> the next day his blood sugar is 9! Anyone else come across >> anything like this? Would appreciate any suggestions! >> >> thanks >> Sharita Get your preferred Email name! Now you can @ymail.com and @rocketmail.com http://mail.promotions.yahoo.com/newdomains/sg/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2008 Report Share Posted November 27, 2008 thanks susan this is only a one off thing, he has been very good in general. He is on magnesium and chromium supplementation and various herbs too. I am keen to try 's advice too. thanks sharita ________________________________ To: ukherbal-list Sent: Thursday, 27 November 2008 12:08:07 Subject: Re: Re: diabetes II His adrenals are probably working overtime in the night to overcome the sugars. Is he wakeful in the early morning hours? In addition to the usual blood lowering herbs he will need hefty doses of cortisol/adrenaline normalising herbs and some additional magnesium and chromium. His blood sugars will never balance if he eats/drinks like that! J Fidler, MCPP, (RH) AHG Herbalist > From: sharita rowbottom <sharitarowbottom@ yahoo.com. sg> > Subject: Re: diabetes II > To: ukherbal-list@ yahoogroups. com > Date: Tuesday, November 25, 2008, 9:29 PM > Hi there > > I was wondering if anyone has had success with stubborn > cases of diabetes type II? I have one patient who has been > on the usual herbs, supplements and diet for about 4 > months and he hasn't shown much improvement. His blood > sugar refuses to shift from about 15.  In fact when he goes > out and drinks wine, beer and eats bbq ribs and doughnuts, > the next day his blood sugar is 9! Anyone else come across > anything like this? Would appreciate any suggestions! > > thanks > Sharita > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > From: alisonpolly <alisonpolly@ hotmail.com> > To: ukherbal-list@ yahoogroups. com > Sent: Tuesday, 25 November 2008 9:41:45 > Subject: Re: Gold, insense and myrrh > > > Hi - the essential oil of incense is a great cough > reliever and > good for chesty things in general in combination with other > more > obvious things like eucalyptus (applied externally in a > cream/oil > base). Great skin rejuvenator when used in a cream with > other oils > ike geranium and rose. Also it has a reputation as a great > spiritual > comforter which I have found to be true - a drop or two > over water > in an essential oil burner with something like cinnamon or > rose is > lovely. Hope the talk goes well good luck with it. Alison > > > > > > Hya, am doing a workshop at the Natural History museum > on the > medicinal uses of Gold , incense and Myrrh, and > looking for a > bit of help, please. > > Can wing it and gloss over on the gold - though > obviously will do > some research. Myrrh I am quite good on, use it as a first > aid and > mouthulcer staple. But Botswellia hasn't really been > one of my > herbs; am only just beginning to learn how to use it. Does > anyone > have any anecdotes, case histories about their use of it in > > practice? Would like to gather one or two personal > experiences of > contemporary herbalists' use. > > Thank you, > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- > --------- - > ----------- > > > > > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG. > > Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.9.9/1808 - > Release Date: > 23/11/2008 18:59 > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2008 Report Share Posted November 27, 2008 Hi Sharita, Glad to hear that you might be looking more into this 'heretical' approach to diabetes. ;-_ The recommended diet as per Diabetes UK and the ADA (American Diabetes Association) is rather a sticking point in our opinion, and based on Alasdair's experiences. It was while we were in fact eating the 'healthy' complex carbohydrate diet that I put on upwards of 17 lbs in weight and Alasdair put on about the same. This despite having increased our exercise time as part of a healthy lifestyle thing. It was also during this time that Alasdair developed diabetes. We can know this as a friend of his was diagnosed with diabetes after a heart attack. This friend tended to test everyone's BG whenever they visited and prior to our 'healthy' regime Alasdair was showing about 3 - 4, pretty much in the normal range. I'm not saying it is so, but it is possible that he responded negatively to a diet based on complex carbohydrates. All carbohydrates, especially starchy carbs, eventually convert to sugar in the body. A diabetic, by definition, cannot process those sugars in the same way as a normal person can. Now we don't tell alcoholics it's OK to drink alcohol, just make sure it's good quality and take it in small doses throughout the day, nor do we suggest that those with gluten/grain intolerance, or dairy intolerance to consume the problem foods. It is recommended that they avoid them. This is not the place to go into the politics of the food industry, but I would recommend reading Taubes book, " The Diet Delusion " ( " Good Calories, Bad Calories " in the US.) I'm part way through and it makes interesting reading. If you get a diabetic to " eat to the meter " , i.e. they take blood glucose readings after various meals and/or foodstuffs, they can tell if they are good for them or not, bearing in mind every one has unique and individuals reactions. Some may be able to tolerate the complex and low GI carbohydrates, but our personal experience (and that of others we know) is that if Alasdair includes whole-grain rice, breads, pasta, and potatoes (all recommended as necessary by the diabetes associations) his BG levels shoot up into double figures (14-15) within half an hour and stay there for many hours. Just as they begin to fall, another carb rich meal boosts them up again. By limiting the carbs in the diet (and there are carbohydrate foods in a low carb diet - these include a whole range of non-starchy vegetables, salads, berries, etc.) BG after a meal can be raised a small amount, in our personal experience commonly up to about 6 or 7, and then fall back after about 1 - 2 hours. By not running the higher sugar levels, this helps to reduce the risk of complications. Dr Bernstein was a type 1 diabetic who began to suffer from the complications, especially kidney problems. He was an engineer at the time and it struck him that the very foodstuffs being recommended he eat in pretty hefty doses by his medical team were in fact the very same ones that were causing his problems. As an engineer, by trial and error he found that reducing them dramatically had equally dramatic effects upon his diabetes control. He tried to interest his doctors but the only way he could get his voice heard was to go through medical school himself to become a doctor. Even the ADA is now finally, albeit most grudgingly, beginning to admit that this way may have 'some benefit' to some individuals but they don't think that it is a sustainable diet. That, of course depends upon your viewpoint and determination to conquer diabetes, ruling it rather than letting it rule you. Many of the people I know who follow this route, which I agree is not going to suit everyone, have been doing this for quite some years and are doing well. Originally, I followed the standard diabetic recommendations when Alasdair was first diagnosed but it soon became apparent that what little control Alasdair did have was decreasing. I spent about 5 months researching the pros and cons of a reduced carbohydrate diet, looking at Atkins and the work done by the Drs Eades, amongst others. After all, I didn't want to make matters worse, but together we decided it was worth giving it a try. We have been working on a reduced carb diet since July 2002, and although it can be tricky if you are out and about, it can be done. As I said earlier, Alasdair is not always the most compliant of folk but he does recognise that this is the best way of retaining a decent element of control and will recommend it to others as another option. Within 6 weeks of starting this way of eating I had dropped the extra pounds I had gained and felt a lot better as I realised that I do actually have problems with grains. Even now, a challenge with a spoonful of cooked rice or porridge, or a slice of bread causes me great digestive discomfort. My maternal grandfather had diabetes so I prefer to do whatever I can to minimise my chances of developing it, as well as helping Alasdair keep to plan. Almost immediately, Alasdair was able to regain more control over his BGs and it is only after nearly 8 years of diet control that he had to start Metformin (the diabetes nurse had given him just 3 months before he had to go on meds, on diagnosis), and that is more related to stress factors at work, we think. It's quite obvious that the standard diabetic diet is not exactly aiding many diabetics, and it is only fair that people should know that there is a choice, some other way that they can try that may actually improve the situation. It is still regarded as heresy in many places, but more and more research is showing that carbohydrate restriction is beneficial on both blood glucose control and also blood lipids and weight. Just a couple of examples: Http://www.nutritionandmetabolism.com/content/5/1/14 http://www.nutritionandmetabolism.com/content/5/1/9 What I really like about this way of doing things is that we can actually echo Hippocrates - " Let food be your medicine and let medicine be your food " . Of course, it probably doesn't go down too well with Big Pharma :-D And there will always be those who prefer to eat whatever they like and compensate with mega doses of oral hypoglycamics or insulin. Insulin itself, of course, inclines an individual to put on weight, which then makes BG control trickier, so a vicious circle comes into play. Even following the Bernstein route, some type 2s may eventually require insulin as the pancreatic beta cells finally exhaust, but the dosages required are minimal compared to the industrial sized doses many diabetics are having to use to compensate for their much higher carb intake. You can read quite a bit about this approach on the Bernstein website. I haven't really looked at that as I have the copy of the book, which is well worth the read. Borrow it from the library if you are not sure if it's an approach that you can advocate. And as I said previously, the quite active forum is a good place for advice, interesting research details that members have come across, and support. Any queries, just get in touch. Kind Regards, -- www.EFT-Reiki.com www.EFT-not-HRT.com " Menopause - Hormonal Balance With EFT " eBook In message , sharita rowbottom writes > >thanks , this is good to hear as the standard recommended >diet doesn't seem to be working in general for this guy. Will look >into this approach further with interest. > >thanks for your help >Sharita > >________________________________ > >To: ukherbal-list >Sent: Thursday, 27 November 2008 3:34:21 >Subject: Re: Re: diabetes II > >Dear Sharita, > >My husband is a type 2 diabetic and he is generally controlling his >blood sugars following a low carb diet. It is only last year that he >went on to Metformin, from diagnosis in 1999, along with herbs that >I >have prescribed. We also supplement B vitamins, magnesium, >vitamin E, >cod liver oil and chromium. > >We are members of the Dr Bernstein diabetes forum >(http://www.diabetes -book.com/) which is very supportive of this >rather >lower carb approach than usual. Many of the members have A1cs >in the 4s >and 5s (a near normal range for a diabetic, although many medics >worry >that this is too low! However, bearing in mind that damage is >caused to >various body systems by BGs over 140 dl/ml - approximately 7 >mmol/l, >the lower you can keep them the better to ensure minimisation of >associated risks such as micro- and macrovascular problems >leading to >kidney and eye damage, amputations, heart disease, etc.) Hubby is >not >quite so good at toeing the line but does notice a huge different in >BG >readings when he strays. > >This way of life does require a strong element of motivation, which >might be a sticking point in the patient you describe :-) You have a >choice - realise that like it or not you do have a serious condition >and >need to make changes, or stay as you are and suffer the likely >consequences. > >>In fact when he goes >>> out and drinks wine, beer and eats bbq ribs and doughnuts, >>> the next day his blood sugar is 9! > >Alcohol does have a BG lowering effect as the liver deals with the >alcohol and is diverted from dumping glucose into the blood. This >may be >why, despite the awful food choices, his BGs reduce. We actually >use >this 'medicinal' effect of alcohol by having a Gin and diet Tonic, and >or a glass of red wine (Merlot is supposed to be particularly >beneficial) with our evening meal. It does seem to have a mild effect >on >BG readings. But it has to be moderate consumption. > >Hope this all helps - if there is anything else you might like to know, >just send an email. >Kind Regards, > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2008 Report Share Posted December 2, 2008 re diet Worrel Thomson has a recipe book based on his own successful dietary changes for diabetes. Sally O > thanks susan > > this is only a one off thing, he has been very good in general. He > is on magnesium and chromium supplementation and various herbs > too. I am keen to try 's advice too. > > thanks > sharita > > > > > ________________________________ > > To: ukherbal-list > Sent: Thursday, 27 November 2008 12:08:07 > Subject: Re: Re: diabetes II > > > His adrenals are probably working overtime in the night to overcome > the sugars. Is he wakeful in the early morning hours? > In addition to the usual blood lowering herbs he will need hefty > doses of cortisol/adrenaline normalising herbs and some additional > magnesium and chromium. His blood sugars will never balance if he > eats/drinks like that! > > J Fidler, MCPP, (RH) AHG > Herbalist > > > >> From: sharita rowbottom <sharitarowbottom@ yahoo.com. sg> >> Subject: Re: diabetes II >> To: ukherbal-list@ yahoogroups. com >> Date: Tuesday, November 25, 2008, 9:29 PM >> Hi there >> >> I was wondering if anyone has had success with stubborn >> cases of diabetes type II? I have one patient who has been >> on the usual herbs, supplements and diet for about 4 >> months and he hasn't shown much improvement. His blood >> sugar refuses to shift from about 15. In fact when he goes >> out and drinks wine, beer and eats bbq ribs and doughnuts, >> the next day his blood sugar is 9! Anyone else come across >> anything like this? Would appreciate any suggestions! >> >> thanks >> Sharita >> >> >> >> ____________ _________ _________ __ >> From: alisonpolly <alisonpolly@ hotmail.com> >> To: ukherbal-list@ yahoogroups. com >> Sent: Tuesday, 25 November 2008 9:41:45 >> Subject: Re: Gold, insense and myrrh >> >> >> Hi - the essential oil of incense is a great cough >> reliever and >> good for chesty things in general in combination with other >> more >> obvious things like eucalyptus (applied externally in a >> cream/oil >> base). Great skin rejuvenator when used in a cream with >> other oils >> ike geranium and rose. Also it has a reputation as a great >> spiritual >> comforter which I have found to be true - a drop or two >> over water >> in an essential oil burner with something like cinnamon or >> rose is >> lovely. Hope the talk goes well good luck with it. Alison >> >> >>> >>> Hya, am doing a workshop at the Natural History museum >> on the >> medicinal uses of Gold , incense and Myrrh, and >> looking for a >> bit of help, please. >>> Can wing it and gloss over on the gold - though >> obviously will do >> some research. Myrrh I am quite good on, use it as a first >> aid and >> mouthulcer staple. But Botswellia hasn't really been >> one of my >> herbs; am only just beginning to learn how to use it. Does >> anyone >> have any anecdotes, case histories about their use of it in >> >> practice? Would like to gather one or two personal >> experiences of >> contemporary herbalists' use. >>> Thank you, >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- >> --------- - >> ----------- >>> >>> >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG. >>> Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.9.9/1808 - >> Release Date: >> 23/11/2008 18:59 >>> >>> >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2008 Report Share Posted December 2, 2008 thanks sally I will look at that too. sharita ________________________________ To: ukherbal-list Sent: Wednesday, 3 December 2008 2:41:49 Subject: Re: Re: diabetes II re diet Worrel Thomson has a recipe book based on his own successful dietary changes for diabetes. Sally O > thanks susan > > this is only a one off thing, he has been very good in general. He > is on magnesium and chromium supplementation and various herbs > too. I am keen to try 's advice too. > > thanks > sharita > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > From: susan fidler <riverdellherbs@ yahoo.com> > To: ukherbal-list@ yahoogroups. com > Sent: Thursday, 27 November 2008 12:08:07 > Subject: Re: Re: diabetes II > > > His adrenals are probably working overtime in the night to overcome > the sugars. Is he wakeful in the early morning hours? > In addition to the usual blood lowering herbs he will need hefty > doses of cortisol/adrenaline normalising herbs and some additional > magnesium and chromium. His blood sugars will never balance if he > eats/drinks like that! > > J Fidler, MCPP, (RH) AHG > Herbalist > > > >> From: sharita rowbottom <sharitarowbottom@ yahoo.com. sg> >> Subject: Re: diabetes II >> To: ukherbal-list@ yahoogroups. com >> Date: Tuesday, November 25, 2008, 9:29 PM >> Hi there >> >> I was wondering if anyone has had success with stubborn >> cases of diabetes type II? I have one patient who has been >> on the usual herbs, supplements and diet for about 4 >> months and he hasn't shown much improvement. His blood >> sugar refuses to shift from about 15. In fact when he goes >> out and drinks wine, beer and eats bbq ribs and doughnuts, >> the next day his blood sugar is 9! Anyone else come across >> anything like this? Would appreciate any suggestions! >> >> thanks >> Sharita >> >> >> >> ____________ _________ _________ __ >> From: alisonpolly <alisonpolly@ hotmail.com> >> To: ukherbal-list@ yahoogroups. com >> Sent: Tuesday, 25 November 2008 9:41:45 >> Subject: Re: Gold, insense and myrrh >> >> >> Hi - the essential oil of incense is a great cough >> reliever and >> good for chesty things in general in combination with other >> more >> obvious things like eucalyptus (applied externally in a >> cream/oil >> base). Great skin rejuvenator when used in a cream with >> other oils >> ike geranium and rose. Also it has a reputation as a great >> spiritual >> comforter which I have found to be true - a drop or two >> over water >> in an essential oil burner with something like cinnamon or >> rose is >> lovely. Hope the talk goes well good luck with it. Alison >> >> >>> >>> Hya, am doing a workshop at the Natural History museum >> on the >> medicinal uses of Gold , incense and Myrrh, and >> looking for a >> bit of help, please. >>> Can wing it and gloss over on the gold - though >> obviously will do >> some research. Myrrh I am quite good on, use it as a first >> aid and >> mouthulcer staple. But Botswellia hasn't really been >> one of my >> herbs; am only just beginning to learn how to use it. Does >> anyone >> have any anecdotes, case histories about their use of it in >> >> practice? Would like to gather one or two personal >> experiences of >> contemporary herbalists' use. >>> Thank you, >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- >> --------- - >> ----------- >>> >>> >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG. >>> Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.9.9/1808 - >> Release Date: >> 23/11/2008 18:59 >>> >>> >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2008 Report Share Posted December 4, 2008 Hi Sharita, Here are some points, you probably already know, but that have served me well. Without making dietary changes, the herbs will do very little on the long term (in my experience). And really, if they aren't willing to make dietary changes, you are fighting a losing battle. The unusual circumstance where he eats various foods then reports a lower glucose reading seems very suspicious. I had one diabetic pt several years ago, grossly obese, who told me that eating vegetables (excluding tubers) put her glucose up. There may be people who defy normal physiology, but I am always very suspicious of these people, and I don't believe I have ever met one. These people, are the people who don't want to make any dietary changes and create very unusual stories. Ask your patient to keep a detailed diet diary, this is the only way to find out what it is he is eating that is putting his glucose up. Also, you can do glucose test while he is in your office to get an idea of where his bg is really. I had one patient who was eating nuts as a snack, normally quite a healthy choice, except for when it is a half a pound of nuts at at time !!! Too much of a good thing is of course, not good at all. Also, hospital/diabetic dietitians give bizarre advice to diabetic patients. Advice that doesn't even remotely represent dietary research (orthodox) that has been shown to reduce bg. Advice such as 1. drink juice 2. eat 5 servings of grain products per day (this could be bread). This is just the beginning. Sorry to ramble on here, if you want more info on what I have found to work, contact me off the list. Marcia To: ukherbal-list From: sharitarowbottom@... Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 11:02:00 +0800 Subject: Re: Re: diabetes II thanks sally I will look at that too. sharita ________________________________ To: ukherbal-list Sent: Wednesday, 3 December 2008 2:41:49 Subject: Re: Re: diabetes II re diet Worrel Thomson has a recipe book based on his own successful dietary changes for diabetes. Sally O > thanks susan > > this is only a one off thing, he has been very good in general. He > is on magnesium and chromium supplementation and various herbs > too. I am keen to try 's advice too. > > thanks > sharita > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > From: susan fidler <riverdellherbs@ yahoo.com> > To: ukherbal-list@ yahoogroups. com > Sent: Thursday, 27 November 2008 12:08:07 > Subject: Re: Re: diabetes II > > > His adrenals are probably working overtime in the night to overcome > the sugars. Is he wakeful in the early morning hours? > In addition to the usual blood lowering herbs he will need hefty > doses of cortisol/adrenaline normalising herbs and some additional > magnesium and chromium. His blood sugars will never balance if he > eats/drinks like that! > > J Fidler, MCPP, (RH) AHG > Herbalist > > > >> From: sharita rowbottom <sharitarowbottom@ yahoo.com. sg> >> Subject: Re: diabetes II >> To: ukherbal-list@ yahoogroups. com >> Date: Tuesday, November 25, 2008, 9:29 PM >> Hi there >> >> I was wondering if anyone has had success with stubborn >> cases of diabetes type II? I have one patient who has been >> on the usual herbs, supplements and diet for about 4 >> months and he hasn't shown much improvement. His blood >> sugar refuses to shift from about 15. In fact when he goes >> out and drinks wine, beer and eats bbq ribs and doughnuts, >> the next day his blood sugar is 9! Anyone else come across >> anything like this? Would appreciate any suggestions! >> >> thanks >> Sharita >> >> >> >> ____________ _________ _________ __ >> From: alisonpolly <alisonpolly@ hotmail.com> >> To: ukherbal-list@ yahoogroups. com >> Sent: Tuesday, 25 November 2008 9:41:45 >> Subject: Re: Gold, insense and myrrh >> >> >> Hi - the essential oil of incense is a great cough >> reliever and >> good for chesty things in general in combination with other >> more >> obvious things like eucalyptus (applied externally in a >> cream/oil >> base). Great skin rejuvenator when used in a cream with >> other oils >> ike geranium and rose. Also it has a reputation as a great >> spiritual >> comforter which I have found to be true - a drop or two >> over water >> in an essential oil burner with something like cinnamon or >> rose is >> lovely. Hope the talk goes well good luck with it. Alison >> >> >>> >>> Hya, am doing a workshop at the Natural History museum >> on the >> medicinal uses of Gold , incense and Myrrh, and >> looking for a >> bit of help, please. >>> Can wing it and gloss over on the gold - though >> obviously will do >> some research. Myrrh I am quite good on, use it as a first >> aid and >> mouthulcer staple. But Botswellia hasn't really been >> one of my >> herbs; am only just beginning to learn how to use it. Does >> anyone >> have any anecdotes, case histories about their use of it in >> >> practice? Would like to gather one or two personal >> experiences of >> contemporary herbalists' use. >>> Thank you, >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- >> --------- - >> ----------- >>> >>> >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG. >>> Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.9.9/1808 - >> Release Date: >> 23/11/2008 18:59 >>> >>> >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 4, 2008 Report Share Posted December 4, 2008 Thank you Marcia, you are absolutely right, he could be less than vigilant with his diet without meaning to be. I will ask him to keep a diary but I fear compliance may be low..... ________________________________ To: herb list <ukherbal-list > Sent: Friday, 5 December 2008 1:07:05 Subject: RE: Re: diabetes II Hi Sharita, Here are some points, you probably already know, but that have served me well. Without making dietary changes, the herbs will do very little on the long term (in my experience). And really, if they aren't willing to make dietary changes, you are fighting a losing battle. The unusual circumstance where he eats various foods then reports a lower glucose reading seems very suspicious. I had one diabetic pt several years ago, grossly obese, who told me that eating vegetables (excluding tubers) put her glucose up. There may be people who defy normal physiology, but I am always very suspicious of these people, and I don't believe I have ever met one. These people, are the people who don't want to make any dietary changes and create very unusual stories. Ask your patient to keep a detailed diet diary, this is the only way to find out what it is he is eating that is putting his glucose up. Also, you can do glucose test while he is in your office to get an idea of where his bg is really. I had one patient who was eating nuts as a snack, normally quite a healthy choice, except for when it is a half a pound of nuts at at time !!! Too much of a good thing is of course, not good at all. Also, hospital/diabetic dietitians give bizarre advice to diabetic patients. Advice that doesn't even remotely represent dietary research (orthodox) that has been shown to reduce bg. Advice such as 1. drink juice 2. eat 5 servings of grain products per day (this could be bread). This is just the beginning. Sorry to ramble on here, if you want more info on what I have found to work, contact me off the list. Marcia To: ukherbal-list@ yahoogroups. com From: sharitarowbottom@ yahoo.com. sg Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 11:02:00 +0800 Subject: Re: Re: diabetes II thanks sally I will look at that too. sharita ____________ _________ _________ __ From: Sally Owen <sally@.... uk> To: ukherbal-list@ yahoogroups. com Sent: Wednesday, 3 December 2008 2:41:49 Subject: Re: Re: diabetes II re diet Worrel Thomson has a recipe book based on his own successful dietary changes for diabetes. Sally O > thanks susan > > this is only a one off thing, he has been very good in general. He > is on magnesium and chromium supplementation and various herbs > too. I am keen to try 's advice too. > > thanks > sharita > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > From: susan fidler <riverdellherbs@ yahoo.com> > To: ukherbal-list@ yahoogroups. com > Sent: Thursday, 27 November 2008 12:08:07 > Subject: Re: Re: diabetes II > > > His adrenals are probably working overtime in the night to overcome > the sugars. Is he wakeful in the early morning hours? > In addition to the usual blood lowering herbs he will need hefty > doses of cortisol/adrenaline normalising herbs and some additional > magnesium and chromium. His blood sugars will never balance if he > eats/drinks like that! > > J Fidler, MCPP, (RH) AHG > Herbalist > > > >> From: sharita rowbottom <sharitarowbottom@ yahoo.com. sg> >> Subject: Re: diabetes II >> To: ukherbal-list@ yahoogroups. com >> Date: Tuesday, November 25, 2008, 9:29 PM >> Hi there >> >> I was wondering if anyone has had success with stubborn >> cases of diabetes type II? I have one patient who has been >> on the usual herbs, supplements and diet for about 4 >> months and he hasn't shown much improvement. His blood >> sugar refuses to shift from about 15. In fact when he goes >> out and drinks wine, beer and eats bbq ribs and doughnuts, >> the next day his blood sugar is 9! Anyone else come across >> anything like this? Would appreciate any suggestions! >> >> thanks >> Sharita >> >> >> >> ____________ _________ _________ __ >> From: alisonpolly <alisonpolly@ hotmail.com> >> To: ukherbal-list@ yahoogroups. com >> Sent: Tuesday, 25 November 2008 9:41:45 >> Subject: Re: Gold, insense and myrrh >> >> >> Hi - the essential oil of incense is a great cough >> reliever and >> good for chesty things in general in combination with other >> more >> obvious things like eucalyptus (applied externally in a >> cream/oil >> base). Great skin rejuvenator when used in a cream with >> other oils >> ike geranium and rose. Also it has a reputation as a great >> spiritual >> comforter which I have found to be true - a drop or two >> over water >> in an essential oil burner with something like cinnamon or >> rose is >> lovely. Hope the talk goes well good luck with it. Alison >> >> >>> >>> Hya, am doing a workshop at the Natural History museum >> on the >> medicinal uses of Gold , incense and Myrrh, and >> looking for a >> bit of help, please. >>> Can wing it and gloss over on the gold - though >> obviously will do >> some research. Myrrh I am quite good on, use it as a first >> aid and >> mouthulcer staple. But Botswellia hasn't really been >> one of my >> herbs; am only just beginning to learn how to use it. Does >> anyone >> have any anecdotes, case histories about their use of it in >> >> practice? Would like to gather one or two personal >> experiences of >> contemporary herbalists' use. >>> Thank you, >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> ------------ --------- --------- --------- --------- >> --------- - >> ----------- >>> >>> >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG. >>> Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.9.9/1808 - >> Release Date: >> 23/11/2008 18:59 >>> >>> >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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