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I was wondering if anyone has had success with stubborn cases of diabetes type

II?  I have one patient who has been on the usual herbs, supplements and diet

for about 4 months and he hasn't shown much improvement. His blood sugar

refuses to shift from about 15.  In fact when he goes out and drinks wine, beer

and eats bbq ribs and doughnuts, the next day his blood sugar is 9! Anyone else

come across anything like this? Would appreciate any suggestions!

thanks

Sharita

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Subject: Re: Gold, insense and myrrh

Hi - the essential oil of incense is a great cough reliever and

good for chesty things in general in combination with other more

obvious things like eucalyptus (applied externally in a cream/oil

base). Great skin rejuvenator when used in a cream with other oils

ike geranium and rose. Also it has a reputation as a great spiritual

comforter which I have found to be true - a drop or two over water

in an essential oil burner with something like cinnamon or rose is

lovely. Hope the talk goes well good luck with it. Alison

>

> Hya, am doing a workshop at the Natural History museum on the

medicinal uses of Gold , incense and Myrrh, and looking for a

bit of help, please.

> Can wing it and gloss over on the gold - though obviously will do

some research. Myrrh I am quite good on, use it as a first aid and

mouthulcer staple. But Botswellia hasn't really been one of my

herbs; am only just beginning to learn how to use it. Does anyone

have any anecdotes, case histories about their use of it in

practice? Would like to gather one or two personal experiences of

contemporary herbalists' use.

> Thank you,

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His adrenals are probably working overtime in the night to overcome the sugars.

Is he wakeful in the early morning hours?

In addition to the usual blood lowering herbs he will need hefty doses of

cortisol/adrenaline normalising herbs and some additional magnesium and

chromium. His blood sugars will never balance if he eats/drinks like that!

J Fidler, MCPP, (RH) AHG

Herbalist

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> Subject: Re: diabetes II

> To: ukherbal-list

> Date: Tuesday, November 25, 2008, 9:29 PM

> Hi there

>

> I was wondering if anyone has had success with stubborn

> cases of diabetes type II?  I have one patient who has been

> on the usual herbs, supplements and diet for about 4

> months and he hasn't shown much improvement. His blood

> sugar refuses to shift from about 15.  In fact when he goes

> out and drinks wine, beer and eats bbq ribs and doughnuts,

> the next day his blood sugar is 9! Anyone else come across

> anything like this? Would appreciate any suggestions!

>

> thanks

> Sharita

>

>

>

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> To: ukherbal-list

> Sent: Tuesday, 25 November 2008 9:41:45

> Subject: Re: Gold, insense and myrrh

>

>

> Hi - the essential oil of incense is a great cough

> reliever and

> good for chesty things in general in combination with other

> more

> obvious things like eucalyptus (applied externally in a

> cream/oil

> base). Great skin rejuvenator when used in a cream with

> other oils

> ike geranium and rose. Also it has a reputation as a great

> spiritual

> comforter which I have found to be true - a drop or two

> over water

> in an essential oil burner with something like cinnamon or

> rose is

> lovely. Hope the talk goes well good luck with it. Alison

>

>

> >

> > Hya, am doing a workshop at the Natural History museum

> on the

> medicinal uses of Gold , incense and Myrrh, and

> looking for a

> bit of help, please.

> > Can wing it and gloss over on the gold - though

> obviously will do

> some research. Myrrh I am quite good on, use it as a first

> aid and

> mouthulcer staple. But Botswellia hasn't really been

> one of my

> herbs; am only just beginning to learn how to use it. Does

> anyone

> have any anecdotes, case histories about their use of it in

>

> practice? Would like to gather one or two personal

> experiences of

> contemporary herbalists' use.

> > Thank you,

> >

> >

> >

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Dr Clements is talking about healing diabetes with dieton Tuesday 2nd

December at 6.30pm in London - CNM 41 Riding st London W1

email info@... for details He is a brilliant man and an inspiring

speaker ­ runs Hippocrates Health Institute in Florida.

They are reversing diabetes 1 and 2 out there and getting great results.

People are coming off their insulin after only weeks of treatment.

Maybe you are nowhere near London, but this info may be useful to other

herbalists who are.

Good luck

Fiona

On 26/11/08 03:29, " sharita rowbottom "

wrote:

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>

>

> Hi there

>

> I was wondering if anyone has had success with stubborn cases of diabetes type

> II?  I have one patient who has been on the usual herbs, supplements and diet

> for about 4 months and he hasn't shown much improvement. His blood sugar

> refuses to shift from about 15.  In fact when he goes out and drinks wine,

> beer and eats bbq ribs and doughnuts, the next day his blood sugar is 9!

> Anyone else come across anything like this? Would appreciate any suggestions!

>

> thanks

> Sharita

>

> ________________________________

> From: alisonpolly <alisonpolly@... <mailto:alisonpolly%40hotmail.com>

> >

> To: ukherbal-list <mailto:ukherbal-list%40yahoogroups.com>

> Sent: Tuesday, 25 November 2008 9:41:45

> Subject: Re: Gold, insense and myrrh

>

> Hi - the essential oil of incense is a great cough reliever and

> good for chesty things in general in combination with other more

> obvious things like eucalyptus (applied externally in a cream/oil

> base). Great skin rejuvenator when used in a cream with other oils

> ike geranium and rose. Also it has a reputation as a great spiritual

> comforter which I have found to be true - a drop or two over water

> in an essential oil burner with something like cinnamon or rose is

> lovely. Hope the talk goes well good luck with it. Alison

>

>

>> >

>> > Hya, am doing a workshop at the Natural History museum on the

> medicinal uses of Gold , incense and Myrrh, and looking for a

> bit of help, please.

>> > Can wing it and gloss over on the gold - though obviously will do

> some research. Myrrh I am quite good on, use it as a first aid and

> mouthulcer staple. But Botswellia hasn't really been one of my

> herbs; am only just beginning to learn how to use it. Does anyone

> have any anecdotes, case histories about their use of it in

> practice? Would like to gather one or two personal experiences of

> contemporary herbalists' use.

>> > Thank you,

>> >

>> >

>> >

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Dear Sharita,

My husband is a type 2 diabetic and he is generally controlling his

blood sugars following a low carb diet. It is only last year that he

went on to Metformin, from diagnosis in 1999, along with herbs that I

have prescribed. We also supplement B vitamins, magnesium, vitamin E,

cod liver oil and chromium.

We are members of the Dr Bernstein diabetes forum

(http://www.diabetes-book.com/) which is very supportive of this rather

lower carb approach than usual. Many of the members have A1cs in the 4s

and 5s (a near normal range for a diabetic, although many medics worry

that this is too low! However, bearing in mind that damage is caused to

various body systems by BGs over 140 dl/ml - approximately 7 mmol/l,

the lower you can keep them the better to ensure minimisation of

associated risks such as micro- and macrovascular problems leading to

kidney and eye damage, amputations, heart disease, etc.) Hubby is not

quite so good at toeing the line but does notice a huge different in BG

readings when he strays.

This way of life does require a strong element of motivation, which

might be a sticking point in the patient you describe :-) You have a

choice - realise that like it or not you do have a serious condition and

need to make changes, or stay as you are and suffer the likely

consequences.

>In fact when he goes

>> out and drinks wine, beer and eats bbq ribs and doughnuts,

>> the next day his blood sugar is 9!

Alcohol does have a BG lowering effect as the liver deals with the

alcohol and is diverted from dumping glucose into the blood. This may be

why, despite the awful food choices, his BGs reduce. We actually use

this 'medicinal' effect of alcohol by having a Gin and diet Tonic, and

or a glass of red wine (Merlot is supposed to be particularly

beneficial) with our evening meal. It does seem to have a mild effect on

BG readings. But it has to be moderate consumption.

Hope this all helps - if there is anything else you might like to know,

just send an email.

Kind Regards,

--

www.EFT-Reiki.com

www.EFT-not-HRT.com " Menopause - Hormonal Balance With EFT " eBook

In message , susan fidler

writes

>

>His adrenals are probably working overtime in the night to

>overcome the sugars. Is he wakeful in the early morning hours?

>In addition to the usual blood lowering herbs he will need hefty

>doses of cortisol/adrenaline normalising herbs and some additional

>magnesium and chromium. His blood sugars will never balance if he

>eats/drinks like that!

>

> J Fidler, MCPP, (RH) AHG

>Herbalist

>

>

>

>>

>> Subject: Re: diabetes II

>> To: ukherbal-list

>> Date: Tuesday, November 25, 2008, 9:29 PM

>> Hi there

>>

>> I was wondering if anyone has had success with stubborn

>> cases of diabetes type II?  I have one patient who has been

>> on the usual herbs, supplements and diet for about 4

>> months and he hasn't shown much improvement. His blood

>> sugar refuses to shift from about 15.  In fact when he goes

>> out and drinks wine, beer and eats bbq ribs and doughnuts,

>> the next day his blood sugar is 9! Anyone else come across

>> anything like this? Would appreciate any suggestions!

>>

>> thanks

>> Sharita

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Hi Sharita,

On a diet like that I am not surprised he has difficulty with his glycaemic

control!

In addition, if he is overweight and has a low physical activity level, this

will compound his insulin resistance.

Alcohol markedly suppresses gluconeogenesis and so has a hypoglycaemic effect.

In patients on insulin or sulphonylurea drugs, alcohol taken on its own can

cause severe and life threatening hypos. Therefore, it is essential that

patients on these hypoglycaemic medications consume alcohol only in conjunction

with adequate carbohydrate (before, during and after alcohol) and limit alcohol

intake to less than the current safe drinking limits (a maximum of 2 units/day

for women and 3 uints/day for men) . Diabetic patients treated with diet alone

or metformin are not at risk of severe hypos but since many are overweight the

high energy content of alcohol should not be overlooked and alcohol tends to

exacerbate hypertriglyceridaemia, common in many type 2 diabetics. Therefore,

drinking alcohol is not a good way to help control blood glucose levels.

I would suggest that before recommending vitamin and mineral supplements he

needs help to lose some weight (even 5-10% body weight loss will help), increase

his physical activity level daily and work on a more healthy diet with regular

balanced meals:

Low GI with adequate intake of wholegrain bread and cereals, pulses nuts and

seeds;

Plenty of fruit and veg > 5 portions a day;

Lean meat, poultry and plenty of oily fish;

Low saturated fat/moderate monounsaturated fat/high in omega-3 foods.

All this is easier said than done of course!

Diabetes UK is a great resource for patients and check out the Recipes and Store

Tour in the shopping section and the Alcohol and diabetes section:

http://www.diabetes.org.uk/Guide-to-diabetes/Food_and_recipes/Alcohol_and_diabet\

es/

Regards

Charlotte

From: sharita rowbottom

Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 3:29 AM

To: ukherbal-list

Subject: Re: diabetes II

Hi there

I was wondering if anyone has had success with stubborn cases of diabetes type

II? I have one patient who has been on the usual herbs, supplements and diet

for about 4 months and he hasn't shown much improvement. His blood sugar refuses

to shift from about 15. In fact when he goes out and drinks wine, beer and eats

bbq ribs and doughnuts, the next day his blood sugar is 9! Anyone else come

across anything like this? Would appreciate any suggestions!

thanks

Sharita

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Hi Charlotte

thanks for your feedback. I agree, but he has changed his diet considerably and

this was just a bingey business trip that he went on.  He has been following

all the standard advice and there has been no change in his levels, in fact at

one point they went up.  You are right he could do with losing some weight, and

he has started exercising again, so hopefully that will help as well.

thanks

Sharita

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Sent: Thursday, 27 November 2008 5:25:22

Subject: Re: Re: diabetes II

Hi Sharita,

On a diet like that I am not surprised he has difficulty with his glycaemic

control!

In addition, if he is overweight and has a low physical activity level, this

will compound his insulin resistance.

Alcohol markedly suppresses gluconeogenesis and so has a hypoglycaemic effect.

In patients on insulin or sulphonylurea drugs, alcohol taken on its own can

cause severe and life threatening hypos. Therefore, it is essential that

patients on these hypoglycaemic medications consume alcohol only in conjunction

with adequate carbohydrate (before, during and after alcohol) and limit alcohol

intake to less than the current safe drinking limits (a maximum of 2 units/day

for women and 3 uints/day for men) . Diabetic patients treated with diet alone

or metformin are not at risk of severe hypos but since many are overweight the

high energy content of alcohol should not be overlooked and alcohol tends to

exacerbate hypertriglyceridaem ia, common in many type 2 diabetics. Therefore,

drinking alcohol is not a good way to help control blood glucose levels.

I would suggest that before recommending vitamin and mineral supplements he

needs help to lose some weight (even 5-10% body weight loss will help), increase

his physical activity level daily and work on a more healthy diet with regular

balanced meals:

Low GI with adequate intake of wholegrain bread and cereals, pulses nuts and

seeds;

Plenty of fruit and veg > 5 portions a day;

Lean meat, poultry and plenty of oily fish;

Low saturated fat/moderate monounsaturated fat/high in omega-3 foods.

All this is easier said than done of course!

Diabetes UK is a great resource for patients and check out the Recipes and Store

Tour in the shopping section and the Alcohol and diabetes section:

http://www.diabetes .org.uk/Guide- to-diabetes/ Food_and_ recipes/Alcohol_

and_diabetes/

Regards

Charlotte

From: sharita rowbottom

Sent: Wednesday, November 26, 2008 3:29 AM

To: ukherbal-list@ yahoogroups. com

Subject: Re: diabetes II

Hi there

I was wondering if anyone has had success with stubborn cases of diabetes type

II? I have one patient who has been on the usual herbs, supplements and diet for

about 4 months and he hasn't shown much improvement. His blood sugar refuses to

shift from about 15. In fact when he goes out and drinks wine, beer and eats bbq

ribs and doughnuts, the next day his blood sugar is 9! Anyone else come across

anything like this? Would appreciate any suggestions!

thanks

Sharita

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thanks , this is good to hear as the standard recommended diet doesn't seem

to be working in general for this guy.  Will look into this approach further

with interest.

thanks for your help

Sharita

________________________________

To: ukherbal-list

Sent: Thursday, 27 November 2008 3:34:21

Subject: Re: Re: diabetes II

Dear Sharita,

My husband is a type 2 diabetic and he is generally controlling his

blood sugars following a low carb diet. It is only last year that he

went on to Metformin, from diagnosis in 1999, along with herbs that I

have prescribed. We also supplement B vitamins, magnesium, vitamin E,

cod liver oil and chromium.

We are members of the Dr Bernstein diabetes forum

(http://www.diabetes -book.com/) which is very supportive of this rather

lower carb approach than usual. Many of the members have A1cs in the 4s

and 5s (a near normal range for a diabetic, although many medics worry

that this is too low! However, bearing in mind that damage is caused to

various body systems by BGs over 140 dl/ml - approximately 7 mmol/l,

the lower you can keep them the better to ensure minimisation of

associated risks such as micro- and macrovascular problems leading to

kidney and eye damage, amputations, heart disease, etc.) Hubby is not

quite so good at toeing the line but does notice a huge different in BG

readings when he strays.

This way of life does require a strong element of motivation, which

might be a sticking point in the patient you describe :-) You have a

choice - realise that like it or not you do have a serious condition and

need to make changes, or stay as you are and suffer the likely

consequences.

>In fact when he goes

>> out and drinks wine, beer and eats bbq ribs and doughnuts,

>> the next day his blood sugar is 9!

Alcohol does have a BG lowering effect as the liver deals with the

alcohol and is diverted from dumping glucose into the blood. This may be

why, despite the awful food choices, his BGs reduce. We actually use

this 'medicinal' effect of alcohol by having a Gin and diet Tonic, and

or a glass of red wine (Merlot is supposed to be particularly

beneficial) with our evening meal. It does seem to have a mild effect on

BG readings. But it has to be moderate consumption.

Hope this all helps - if there is anything else you might like to know,

just send an email.

Kind Regards,

--

www.EFT-Reiki. com

www.EFT-not- HRT.com " Menopause - Hormonal Balance With EFT " eBook

In message <472280.59799. qmweb52503 (DOT) mail.re2. yahoo.com>, susan fidler

<riverdellherbs@ yahoo.com> writes

>

>His adrenals are probably working overtime in the night to

>overcome the sugars. Is he wakeful in the early morning hours?

>In addition to the usual blood lowering herbs he will need hefty

>doses of cortisol/adrenaline normalising herbs and some additional

>magnesium and chromium. His blood sugars will never balance if he

>eats/drinks like that!

>

> J Fidler, MCPP, (RH) AHG

>Herbalist

>

>

>

>> From: sharita rowbottom <sharitarowbottom@ yahoo.com. sg>

>> Subject: Re: diabetes II

>> To: ukherbal-list@ yahoogroups. com

>> Date: Tuesday, November 25, 2008, 9:29 PM

>> Hi there

>>

>> I was wondering if anyone has had success with stubborn

>> cases of diabetes type II?  I have one patient who has been

>> on the usual herbs, supplements and diet for about 4

>> months and he hasn't shown much improvement.  His blood

>> sugar refuses to shift from about 15.  In fact when he goes

>> out and drinks wine, beer and eats bbq ribs and doughnuts,

>> the next day his blood sugar is 9! Anyone else come across

>> anything like this? Would appreciate any suggestions!

>>

>> thanks

>> Sharita

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thanks susan

this is only a one off thing, he has been very good in general. He is on

magnesium and chromium supplementation and various herbs too.  I am keen to try

's advice too.

thanks

sharita

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To: ukherbal-list

Sent: Thursday, 27 November 2008 12:08:07

Subject: Re: Re: diabetes II

His adrenals are probably working overtime in the night to overcome the sugars.

Is he wakeful in the early morning hours?

In addition to the usual blood lowering herbs he will need hefty doses of

cortisol/adrenaline normalising herbs and some additional magnesium and

chromium. His blood sugars will never balance if he eats/drinks like that!

J Fidler, MCPP, (RH) AHG

Herbalist

> From: sharita rowbottom <sharitarowbottom@ yahoo.com. sg>

> Subject: Re: diabetes II

> To: ukherbal-list@ yahoogroups. com

> Date: Tuesday, November 25, 2008, 9:29 PM

> Hi there

>

> I was wondering if anyone has had success with stubborn

> cases of diabetes type II?  I have one patient who has been

> on the usual herbs, supplements and diet for about 4

> months and he hasn't shown much improvement.  His blood

> sugar refuses to shift from about 15.  In fact when he goes

> out and drinks wine, beer and eats bbq ribs and doughnuts,

> the next day his blood sugar is 9! Anyone else come across

> anything like this? Would appreciate any suggestions!

>

> thanks

> Sharita

>

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> From: alisonpolly <alisonpolly@ hotmail.com>

> To: ukherbal-list@ yahoogroups. com

> Sent: Tuesday, 25 November 2008 9:41:45

> Subject: Re: Gold, insense and myrrh

>

>

> Hi - the essential oil of incense is a great cough

> reliever and

> good for chesty things in general in combination with other

> more

> obvious things like eucalyptus (applied externally in a

> cream/oil

> base). Great skin rejuvenator when used in a cream with

> other oils

> ike geranium and rose. Also it has a reputation as a great

> spiritual

> comforter which I have found to be true - a drop or two

> over water

> in an essential oil burner with something like cinnamon or

> rose is

> lovely. Hope the talk goes well good luck with it. Alison

>

>

> >

> > Hya, am doing a workshop at the Natural History museum

> on the

> medicinal uses of Gold , incense and Myrrh, and

> looking for a

> bit of help, please.

> > Can wing it and gloss over on the gold - though

> obviously will do

> some research. Myrrh I am quite good on, use it as a first

> aid and

> mouthulcer staple. But Botswellia hasn't really been

> one of my

> herbs; am only just beginning to learn how to use it. Does

> anyone

> have any anecdotes, case histories about their use of it in

>

> practice? Would like to gather one or two personal

> experiences of

> contemporary herbalists' use.

> > Thank you,

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ------------ --------- --------- --------- ---------

> --------- -

> -----------

> >

> >

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Hi Sharita,

Glad to hear that you might be looking more into this 'heretical'

approach to diabetes. ;-_

The recommended diet as per Diabetes UK and the ADA (American Diabetes

Association) is rather a sticking point in our opinion, and based on

Alasdair's experiences. It was while we were in fact eating the

'healthy' complex carbohydrate diet that I put on upwards of 17 lbs in

weight and Alasdair put on about the same. This despite having increased

our exercise time as part of a healthy lifestyle thing. It was also

during this time that Alasdair developed diabetes.

We can know this as a friend of his was diagnosed with diabetes after a

heart attack. This friend tended to test everyone's BG whenever they

visited and prior to our 'healthy' regime Alasdair was showing about 3 -

4, pretty much in the normal range. I'm not saying it is so, but it is

possible that he responded negatively to a diet based on complex

carbohydrates.

All carbohydrates, especially starchy carbs, eventually convert to sugar

in the body. A diabetic, by definition, cannot process those sugars in

the same way as a normal person can. Now we don't tell alcoholics it's

OK to drink alcohol, just make sure it's good quality and take it in

small doses throughout the day, nor do we suggest that those with

gluten/grain intolerance, or dairy intolerance to consume the problem

foods. It is recommended that they avoid them.

This is not the place to go into the politics of the food industry, but

I would recommend reading Taubes book, " The Diet Delusion " ( " Good

Calories, Bad Calories " in the US.) I'm part way through and it makes

interesting reading.

If you get a diabetic to " eat to the meter " , i.e. they take blood

glucose readings after various meals and/or foodstuffs, they can tell if

they are good for them or not, bearing in mind every one has unique and

individuals reactions.

Some may be able to tolerate the complex and low GI carbohydrates, but

our personal experience (and that of others we know) is that if

Alasdair includes whole-grain rice, breads, pasta, and potatoes (all

recommended as necessary by the diabetes associations) his BG levels

shoot up into double figures (14-15) within half an hour and stay there

for many hours. Just as they begin to fall, another carb rich meal

boosts them up again.

By limiting the carbs in the diet (and there are carbohydrate foods in a

low carb diet - these include a whole range of non-starchy vegetables,

salads, berries, etc.) BG after a meal can be raised a small amount, in

our personal experience commonly up to about 6 or 7, and then fall back

after about 1 - 2 hours. By not running the higher sugar levels, this

helps to reduce the risk of complications.

Dr Bernstein was a type 1 diabetic who began to suffer from the

complications, especially kidney problems. He was an engineer at the

time and it struck him that the very foodstuffs being recommended he eat

in pretty hefty doses by his medical team were in fact the very same

ones that were causing his problems. As an engineer, by trial and error

he found that reducing them dramatically had equally dramatic effects

upon his diabetes control. He tried to interest his doctors but the only

way he could get his voice heard was to go through medical school

himself to become a doctor.

Even the ADA is now finally, albeit most grudgingly, beginning to admit

that this way may have 'some benefit' to some individuals but they don't

think that it is a sustainable diet. That, of course depends upon your

viewpoint and determination to conquer diabetes, ruling it rather than

letting it rule you. Many of the people I know who follow this route,

which I agree is not going to suit everyone, have been doing this for

quite some years and are doing well.

Originally, I followed the standard diabetic recommendations when

Alasdair was first diagnosed but it soon became apparent that what

little control Alasdair did have was decreasing. I spent about 5 months

researching the pros and cons of a reduced carbohydrate diet, looking at

Atkins and the work done by the Drs Eades, amongst others. After all, I

didn't want to make matters worse, but together we decided it was worth

giving it a try.

We have been working on a reduced carb diet since July 2002, and

although it can be tricky if you are out and about, it can be done. As I

said earlier, Alasdair is not always the most compliant of folk but he

does recognise that this is the best way of retaining a decent element

of control and will recommend it to others as another option.

Within 6 weeks of starting this way of eating I had dropped the extra

pounds I had gained and felt a lot better as I realised that I do

actually have problems with grains. Even now, a challenge with a

spoonful of cooked rice or porridge, or a slice of bread causes me great

digestive discomfort. My maternal grandfather had diabetes so I prefer

to do whatever I can to minimise my chances of developing it, as well as

helping Alasdair keep to plan.

Almost immediately, Alasdair was able to regain more control over his

BGs and it is only after nearly 8 years of diet control that he had to

start Metformin (the diabetes nurse had given him just 3 months before

he had to go on meds, on diagnosis), and that is more related to stress

factors at work, we think.

It's quite obvious that the standard diabetic diet is not exactly aiding

many diabetics, and it is only fair that people should know that there

is a choice, some other way that they can try that may actually improve

the situation. It is still regarded as heresy in many places, but more

and more research is showing that carbohydrate restriction is beneficial

on both blood glucose control and also blood lipids and weight. Just a

couple of examples:

Http://www.nutritionandmetabolism.com/content/5/1/14

http://www.nutritionandmetabolism.com/content/5/1/9

What I really like about this way of doing things is that we can

actually echo Hippocrates - " Let food be your medicine and let medicine

be your food " . Of course, it probably doesn't go down too well with Big

Pharma :-D And there will always be those who prefer to eat whatever

they like and compensate with mega doses of oral hypoglycamics or

insulin. Insulin itself, of course, inclines an individual to put on

weight, which then makes BG control trickier, so a vicious circle comes

into play. Even following the Bernstein route, some type 2s may

eventually require insulin as the pancreatic beta cells finally exhaust,

but the dosages required are minimal compared to the industrial sized

doses many diabetics are having to use to compensate for their much

higher carb intake.

You can read quite a bit about this approach on the Bernstein website. I

haven't really looked at that as I have the copy of the book, which is

well worth the read. Borrow it from the library if you are not sure if

it's an approach that you can advocate. And as I said previously, the

quite active forum is a good place for advice, interesting research

details that members have come across, and support.

Any queries, just get in touch.

Kind Regards,

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In message , sharita

rowbottom writes

>

>thanks , this is good to hear as the standard recommended

>diet doesn't seem to be working in general for this guy.  Will look

>into this approach further with interest.

>

>thanks for your help

>Sharita

>

>________________________________

>

>To: ukherbal-list

>Sent: Thursday, 27 November 2008 3:34:21

>Subject: Re: Re: diabetes II

>

>Dear Sharita,

>

>My husband is a type 2 diabetic and he is generally controlling his

>blood sugars following a low carb diet. It is only last year that he

>went on to Metformin, from diagnosis in 1999, along with herbs that

>I

>have prescribed. We also supplement B vitamins, magnesium,

>vitamin E,

>cod liver oil and chromium.

>

>We are members of the Dr Bernstein diabetes forum

>(http://www.diabetes -book.com/) which is very supportive of this

>rather

>lower carb approach than usual. Many of the members have A1cs

>in the 4s

>and 5s (a near normal range for a diabetic, although many medics

>worry

>that this is too low! However, bearing in mind that damage is

>caused to

>various body systems by BGs over 140 dl/ml - approximately 7

>mmol/l,

>the lower you can keep them the better to ensure minimisation of

>associated risks such as micro- and macrovascular problems

>leading to

>kidney and eye damage, amputations, heart disease, etc.) Hubby is

>not

>quite so good at toeing the line but does notice a huge different in

>BG

>readings when he strays.

>

>This way of life does require a strong element of motivation, which

>might be a sticking point in the patient you describe :-) You have a

>choice - realise that like it or not you do have a serious condition

>and

>need to make changes, or stay as you are and suffer the likely

>consequences.

>

>>In fact when he goes

>>> out and drinks wine, beer and eats bbq ribs and doughnuts,

>>> the next day his blood sugar is 9!

>

>Alcohol does have a BG lowering effect as the liver deals with the

>alcohol and is diverted from dumping glucose into the blood. This

>may be

>why, despite the awful food choices, his BGs reduce. We actually

>use

>this 'medicinal' effect of alcohol by having a Gin and diet Tonic, and

>or a glass of red wine (Merlot is supposed to be particularly

>beneficial) with our evening meal. It does seem to have a mild effect

>on

>BG readings. But it has to be moderate consumption.

>

>Hope this all helps - if there is anything else you might like to know,

>just send an email.

>Kind Regards,

>

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re diet

Worrel Thomson has a recipe book based on his own successful

dietary changes for diabetes.

Sally O

> thanks susan

>

> this is only a one off thing, he has been very good in general. He

> is on magnesium and chromium supplementation and various herbs

> too. I am keen to try 's advice too.

>

> thanks

> sharita

>

>

>

>

> ________________________________

>

> To: ukherbal-list

> Sent: Thursday, 27 November 2008 12:08:07

> Subject: Re: Re: diabetes II

>

>

> His adrenals are probably working overtime in the night to overcome

> the sugars. Is he wakeful in the early morning hours?

> In addition to the usual blood lowering herbs he will need hefty

> doses of cortisol/adrenaline normalising herbs and some additional

> magnesium and chromium. His blood sugars will never balance if he

> eats/drinks like that!

>

> J Fidler, MCPP, (RH) AHG

> Herbalist

>

>

>

>> From: sharita rowbottom <sharitarowbottom@ yahoo.com. sg>

>> Subject: Re: diabetes II

>> To: ukherbal-list@ yahoogroups. com

>> Date: Tuesday, November 25, 2008, 9:29 PM

>> Hi there

>>

>> I was wondering if anyone has had success with stubborn

>> cases of diabetes type II? I have one patient who has been

>> on the usual herbs, supplements and diet for about 4

>> months and he hasn't shown much improvement. His blood

>> sugar refuses to shift from about 15. In fact when he goes

>> out and drinks wine, beer and eats bbq ribs and doughnuts,

>> the next day his blood sugar is 9! Anyone else come across

>> anything like this? Would appreciate any suggestions!

>>

>> thanks

>> Sharita

>>

>>

>>

>> ____________ _________ _________ __

>> From: alisonpolly <alisonpolly@ hotmail.com>

>> To: ukherbal-list@ yahoogroups. com

>> Sent: Tuesday, 25 November 2008 9:41:45

>> Subject: Re: Gold, insense and myrrh

>>

>>

>> Hi - the essential oil of incense is a great cough

>> reliever and

>> good for chesty things in general in combination with other

>> more

>> obvious things like eucalyptus (applied externally in a

>> cream/oil

>> base). Great skin rejuvenator when used in a cream with

>> other oils

>> ike geranium and rose. Also it has a reputation as a great

>> spiritual

>> comforter which I have found to be true - a drop or two

>> over water

>> in an essential oil burner with something like cinnamon or

>> rose is

>> lovely. Hope the talk goes well good luck with it. Alison

>>

>>

>>>

>>> Hya, am doing a workshop at the Natural History museum

>> on the

>> medicinal uses of Gold , incense and Myrrh, and

>> looking for a

>> bit of help, please.

>>> Can wing it and gloss over on the gold - though

>> obviously will do

>> some research. Myrrh I am quite good on, use it as a first

>> aid and

>> mouthulcer staple. But Botswellia hasn't really been

>> one of my

>> herbs; am only just beginning to learn how to use it. Does

>> anyone

>> have any anecdotes, case histories about their use of it in

>>

>> practice? Would like to gather one or two personal

>> experiences of

>> contemporary herbalists' use.

>>> Thank you,

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

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thanks sally I will look at that too.

sharita

________________________________

To: ukherbal-list

Sent: Wednesday, 3 December 2008 2:41:49

Subject: Re: Re: diabetes II

re diet

Worrel Thomson has a recipe book based on his own successful

dietary changes for diabetes.

Sally O

> thanks susan

>

> this is only a one off thing, he has been very good in general. He

> is on magnesium and chromium supplementation and various herbs

> too. I am keen to try 's advice too.

>

> thanks

> sharita

>

>

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> From: susan fidler <riverdellherbs@ yahoo.com>

> To: ukherbal-list@ yahoogroups. com

> Sent: Thursday, 27 November 2008 12:08:07

> Subject: Re: Re: diabetes II

>

>

> His adrenals are probably working overtime in the night to overcome

> the sugars. Is he wakeful in the early morning hours?

> In addition to the usual blood lowering herbs he will need hefty

> doses of cortisol/adrenaline normalising herbs and some additional

> magnesium and chromium. His blood sugars will never balance if he

> eats/drinks like that!

>

> J Fidler, MCPP, (RH) AHG

> Herbalist

>

>

>

>> From: sharita rowbottom <sharitarowbottom@ yahoo.com. sg>

>> Subject: Re: diabetes II

>> To: ukherbal-list@ yahoogroups. com

>> Date: Tuesday, November 25, 2008, 9:29 PM

>> Hi there

>>

>> I was wondering if anyone has had success with stubborn

>> cases of diabetes type II? I have one patient who has been

>> on the usual herbs, supplements and diet for about 4

>> months and he hasn't shown much improvement. His blood

>> sugar refuses to shift from about 15. In fact when he goes

>> out and drinks wine, beer and eats bbq ribs and doughnuts,

>> the next day his blood sugar is 9! Anyone else come across

>> anything like this? Would appreciate any suggestions!

>>

>> thanks

>> Sharita

>>

>>

>>

>> ____________ _________ _________ __

>> From: alisonpolly <alisonpolly@ hotmail.com>

>> To: ukherbal-list@ yahoogroups. com

>> Sent: Tuesday, 25 November 2008 9:41:45

>> Subject: Re: Gold, insense and myrrh

>>

>>

>> Hi - the essential oil of incense is a great cough

>> reliever and

>> good for chesty things in general in combination with other

>> more

>> obvious things like eucalyptus (applied externally in a

>> cream/oil

>> base). Great skin rejuvenator when used in a cream with

>> other oils

>> ike geranium and rose. Also it has a reputation as a great

>> spiritual

>> comforter which I have found to be true - a drop or two

>> over water

>> in an essential oil burner with something like cinnamon or

>> rose is

>> lovely. Hope the talk goes well good luck with it. Alison

>>

>>

>>>

>>> Hya, am doing a workshop at the Natural History museum

>> on the

>> medicinal uses of Gold , incense and Myrrh, and

>> looking for a

>> bit of help, please.

>>> Can wing it and gloss over on the gold - though

>> obviously will do

>> some research. Myrrh I am quite good on, use it as a first

>> aid and

>> mouthulcer staple. But Botswellia hasn't really been

>> one of my

>> herbs; am only just beginning to learn how to use it. Does

>> anyone

>> have any anecdotes, case histories about their use of it in

>>

>> practice? Would like to gather one or two personal

>> experiences of

>> contemporary herbalists' use.

>>> Thank you,

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

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Hi Sharita,

Here are some points, you probably already know, but that have served me well.

Without making dietary changes, the herbs will do very little on the long term

(in my experience). And really, if they aren't willing to make dietary changes,

you are fighting a losing battle.

The unusual circumstance where he eats various foods then reports a lower

glucose reading seems very suspicious. I had one diabetic pt several years ago,

grossly obese, who told me that eating vegetables (excluding tubers) put her

glucose up.

There may be people who defy normal physiology, but I am always very suspicious

of these people, and I don't believe I have ever met one. These people, are the

people who don't want to make any dietary changes and create very unusual

stories.

Ask your patient to keep a detailed diet diary, this is the only way to find out

what it is he is eating that is putting his glucose up. Also, you can do glucose

test while he is in your office to get an idea of where his bg is really. I had

one patient who was eating nuts as a snack, normally quite a healthy choice,

except for when it is a half a pound of nuts at at time !!! Too much of a good

thing is of course, not good at all.

Also, hospital/diabetic dietitians give bizarre advice to diabetic patients.

Advice that doesn't even remotely represent dietary research (orthodox) that has

been shown to reduce bg. Advice such as 1. drink juice 2. eat 5 servings of

grain products per day (this could be bread). This is just the beginning.

Sorry to ramble on here, if you want more info on what I have found to work,

contact me off the list.

Marcia

To: ukherbal-list

From: sharitarowbottom@...

Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 11:02:00 +0800

Subject: Re: Re: diabetes II

thanks sally I will look at that too.

sharita

________________________________

To: ukherbal-list

Sent: Wednesday, 3 December 2008 2:41:49

Subject: Re: Re: diabetes II

re diet

Worrel Thomson has a recipe book based on his own successful

dietary changes for diabetes.

Sally O

> thanks susan

>

> this is only a one off thing, he has been very good in general. He

> is on magnesium and chromium supplementation and various herbs

> too. I am keen to try 's advice too.

>

> thanks

> sharita

>

>

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> From: susan fidler <riverdellherbs@ yahoo.com>

> To: ukherbal-list@ yahoogroups. com

> Sent: Thursday, 27 November 2008 12:08:07

> Subject: Re: Re: diabetes II

>

>

> His adrenals are probably working overtime in the night to overcome

> the sugars. Is he wakeful in the early morning hours?

> In addition to the usual blood lowering herbs he will need hefty

> doses of cortisol/adrenaline normalising herbs and some additional

> magnesium and chromium. His blood sugars will never balance if he

> eats/drinks like that!

>

> J Fidler, MCPP, (RH) AHG

> Herbalist

>

>

>

>> From: sharita rowbottom <sharitarowbottom@ yahoo.com. sg>

>> Subject: Re: diabetes II

>> To: ukherbal-list@ yahoogroups. com

>> Date: Tuesday, November 25, 2008, 9:29 PM

>> Hi there

>>

>> I was wondering if anyone has had success with stubborn

>> cases of diabetes type II? I have one patient who has been

>> on the usual herbs, supplements and diet for about 4

>> months and he hasn't shown much improvement. His blood

>> sugar refuses to shift from about 15. In fact when he goes

>> out and drinks wine, beer and eats bbq ribs and doughnuts,

>> the next day his blood sugar is 9! Anyone else come across

>> anything like this? Would appreciate any suggestions!

>>

>> thanks

>> Sharita

>>

>>

>>

>> ____________ _________ _________ __

>> From: alisonpolly <alisonpolly@ hotmail.com>

>> To: ukherbal-list@ yahoogroups. com

>> Sent: Tuesday, 25 November 2008 9:41:45

>> Subject: Re: Gold, insense and myrrh

>>

>>

>> Hi - the essential oil of incense is a great cough

>> reliever and

>> good for chesty things in general in combination with other

>> more

>> obvious things like eucalyptus (applied externally in a

>> cream/oil

>> base). Great skin rejuvenator when used in a cream with

>> other oils

>> ike geranium and rose. Also it has a reputation as a great

>> spiritual

>> comforter which I have found to be true - a drop or two

>> over water

>> in an essential oil burner with something like cinnamon or

>> rose is

>> lovely. Hope the talk goes well good luck with it. Alison

>>

>>

>>>

>>> Hya, am doing a workshop at the Natural History museum

>> on the

>> medicinal uses of Gold , incense and Myrrh, and

>> looking for a

>> bit of help, please.

>>> Can wing it and gloss over on the gold - though

>> obviously will do

>> some research. Myrrh I am quite good on, use it as a first

>> aid and

>> mouthulcer staple. But Botswellia hasn't really been

>> one of my

>> herbs; am only just beginning to learn how to use it. Does

>> anyone

>> have any anecdotes, case histories about their use of it in

>>

>> practice? Would like to gather one or two personal

>> experiences of

>> contemporary herbalists' use.

>>> Thank you,

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> ------------ --------- --------- --------- ---------

>> --------- -

>> -----------

>>>

>>>

>>> No virus found in this incoming message.

>>> Checked by AVG.

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>> Release Date:

>> 23/11/2008 18:59

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>>>

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Thank you Marcia,

you are absolutely right, he could be less than vigilant with his diet without

meaning to be.  I will ask him to keep a diary but I fear compliance may be

low.....

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To: herb list <ukherbal-list >

Sent: Friday, 5 December 2008 1:07:05

Subject: RE: Re: diabetes II

Hi Sharita,

Here are some points, you probably already know, but that have served me well.

Without making dietary changes, the herbs will do very little on the long term

(in my experience). And really, if they aren't willing to make dietary changes,

you are fighting a losing battle.

The unusual circumstance where he eats various foods then reports a lower

glucose reading seems very suspicious. I had one diabetic pt several years ago,

grossly obese, who told me that eating vegetables (excluding tubers) put her

glucose up.

There may be people who defy normal physiology, but I am always very suspicious

of these people, and I don't believe I have ever met one. These people, are the

people who don't want to make any dietary changes and create very unusual

stories.

Ask your patient to keep a detailed diet diary, this is the only way to find out

what it is he is eating that is putting his glucose up. Also, you can do glucose

test while he is in your office to get an idea of where his bg is really. I had

one patient who was eating nuts as a snack, normally quite a healthy choice,

except for when it is a half a pound of nuts at at time !!! Too much of a good

thing is of course, not good at all.

Also, hospital/diabetic dietitians give bizarre advice to diabetic patients.

Advice that doesn't even remotely represent dietary research (orthodox) that has

been shown to reduce bg. Advice such as 1. drink juice 2. eat 5 servings of

grain products per day (this could be bread). This is just the beginning.

Sorry to ramble on here, if you want more info on what I have found to work,

contact me off the list.

Marcia

To: ukherbal-list@ yahoogroups. com

From: sharitarowbottom@ yahoo.com. sg

Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 11:02:00 +0800

Subject: Re: Re: diabetes II

thanks sally I will look at that too.

sharita

____________ _________ _________ __

From: Sally Owen <sally@.... uk>

To: ukherbal-list@ yahoogroups. com

Sent: Wednesday, 3 December 2008 2:41:49

Subject: Re: Re: diabetes II

re diet

Worrel Thomson has a recipe book based on his own successful

dietary changes for diabetes.

Sally O

> thanks susan

>

> this is only a one off thing, he has been very good in general. He

> is on magnesium and chromium supplementation and various herbs

> too. I am keen to try 's advice too.

>

> thanks

> sharita

>

>

>

>

> ____________ _________ _________ __

> From: susan fidler <riverdellherbs@ yahoo.com>

> To: ukherbal-list@ yahoogroups. com

> Sent: Thursday, 27 November 2008 12:08:07

> Subject: Re: Re: diabetes II

>

>

> His adrenals are probably working overtime in the night to overcome

> the sugars. Is he wakeful in the early morning hours?

> In addition to the usual blood lowering herbs he will need hefty

> doses of cortisol/adrenaline normalising herbs and some additional

> magnesium and chromium. His blood sugars will never balance if he

> eats/drinks like that!

>

> J Fidler, MCPP, (RH) AHG

> Herbalist

>

>

>

>> From: sharita rowbottom <sharitarowbottom@ yahoo.com. sg>

>> Subject: Re: diabetes II

>> To: ukherbal-list@ yahoogroups. com

>> Date: Tuesday, November 25, 2008, 9:29 PM

>> Hi there

>>

>> I was wondering if anyone has had success with stubborn

>> cases of diabetes type II? I have one patient who has been

>> on the usual herbs, supplements and diet for about 4

>> months and he hasn't shown much improvement. His blood

>> sugar refuses to shift from about 15. In fact when he goes

>> out and drinks wine, beer and eats bbq ribs and doughnuts,

>> the next day his blood sugar is 9! Anyone else come across

>> anything like this? Would appreciate any suggestions!

>>

>> thanks

>> Sharita

>>

>>

>>

>> ____________ _________ _________ __

>> From: alisonpolly <alisonpolly@ hotmail.com>

>> To: ukherbal-list@ yahoogroups. com

>> Sent: Tuesday, 25 November 2008 9:41:45

>> Subject: Re: Gold, insense and myrrh

>>

>>

>> Hi - the essential oil of incense is a great cough

>> reliever and

>> good for chesty things in general in combination with other

>> more

>> obvious things like eucalyptus (applied externally in a

>> cream/oil

>> base). Great skin rejuvenator when used in a cream with

>> other oils

>> ike geranium and rose. Also it has a reputation as a great

>> spiritual

>> comforter which I have found to be true - a drop or two

>> over water

>> in an essential oil burner with something like cinnamon or

>> rose is

>> lovely. Hope the talk goes well good luck with it. Alison

>>

>>

>>>

>>> Hya, am doing a workshop at the Natural History museum

>> on the

>> medicinal uses of Gold , incense and Myrrh, and

>> looking for a

>> bit of help, please.

>>> Can wing it and gloss over on the gold - though

>> obviously will do

>> some research. Myrrh I am quite good on, use it as a first

>> aid and

>> mouthulcer staple. But Botswellia hasn't really been

>> one of my

>> herbs; am only just beginning to learn how to use it. Does

>> anyone

>> have any anecdotes, case histories about their use of it in

>>

>> practice? Would like to gather one or two personal

>> experiences of

>> contemporary herbalists' use.

>>> Thank you,

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> ------------ --------- --------- --------- ---------

>> --------- -

>> -----------

>>>

>>>

>>> No virus found in this incoming message.

>>> Checked by AVG.

>>> Version: 7.5.549 / Virus Database: 270.9.9/1808 -

>> Release Date:

>> 23/11/2008 18:59

>>>

>>>

>>>

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