Guest guest Posted August 23, 2012 Report Share Posted August 23, 2012 HelloI would be interested on any feedback the group has on the etiology (physical) and detrimental effects if any of puppy sitting. This is the lay term for a lazy sit where the puppy shifts his weight back so that the pelvis is rotated. Another variation involves the hind limbs splayed out. Instead of the puppy sitting with his feet underneath him, his metatarsus is lateral to the body bilaterally. My experience is that pups who show no other signs or who are taught to sit straight often do, however I would love the opinions of the experts. Thanks Radosta DVM, DACVBFlorida Veterinary Behavior Servicewww.flvetbehavior.comOn Aug 23, 2012, at 5:09 AM, VetRehab wrote: Vet Rehab Professionals Vet Rehab Professionals Group 10 New Messages Digest #1846 1a Re: ML830 laser by "ph DeLucia DVM, CCRP" dogedoc 1b Re: ML830 laser by "Dr. Mayer" holisticdvm1 2a Re: JRT with a "hitch in his giddy up" by " Reynolds" sreynoldsvcarehab 2b Re: JRT with a "hitch in his giddy up" by "Pamela Mueller" tickandjif 2c Re: JRT with a "hitch in his giddy up" by "Rick Wall, DVM" drwallrwall 2d Re: JRT with a "hitch in his giddy up" by "toni.tlc@..." tlcvet_handson 2e Re: JRT with a "hitch in his giddy up" by "waghabpt" waghabpt 2f Re: JRT with a "hitch in his giddy up" by "Rick Wall, DVM" drwallrwall 3a Re: LASER and Post-Op Cases by "Laurie Edge-" ledgehughes 3b Re: LASER and Post-Op Cases by " Fuoco" tina.fuoco Messages 1a Re: ML830 laser Wed Aug 22, 2012 5:11 am (PDT) . Posted by: "ph DeLucia DVM, CCRP" dogedoc , You stated the Chatanooga Laser and the Grady Laser as a class 3b laser with a power of 1 to 2 watts and 1 to 4 watts respectively. Did you intend to say Class 4 lasers? ph A. DeLucia DVM, CCRP Director of Rehabilitation Services- Valley Animal Hospital 1171 Valley Road Clifton, New Jersey 07013 ext. 303 drdvalleyofthevets Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (5) . Top ^ 1b Re: ML830 laser Wed Aug 22, 2012 5:43 am (PDT) . Posted by: "Dr. Mayer" holisticdvm1 Sorry.Chattanooga is Class 3b and Grady Class 4. Mayer DVM CVA CVC CCRP Integrative Veterinarian Description: IV logo-1 Founder and CEO www.integrativeveterinarian.com From: VetRehab [mailto:VetRehab ] On Behalf Of ph DeLucia DVM, CCRP Sent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 5:11 AM To: VetRehab Subject: Re: ML830 laser , You stated the Chatanooga Laser and the Grady Laser as a class 3b laser with a power of 1 to 2 watts and 1 to 4 watts respectively. Did you intend to say Class 4 lasers? ph A. DeLucia DVM, CCRP Director of Rehabilitation Services- Valley Animal Hospital 1171 Valley Road Clifton, New Jersey 07013 ext. 303 drdvalleyofthevets <mailto:drd%40valleyofthevets.com> Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (5) . Top ^ 2a Re: JRT with a "hitch in his giddy up" Wed Aug 22, 2012 11:57 am (PDT) . Posted by: " Reynolds" sreynoldsvcarehab I'm sorry I'm still learning rehab - What do you mean by EDL? Thanks! From: waghabpt <meganwaghab> Subject: JRT with a "hitch in his giddy up" To: VetRehab Date: Monday, August 20, 2012, 7:42 PM I am hoping for a little help. I just took a look at an 11 month old Parson's JRT today that has been skipping and has a "hitch in his giddy up". No other real complaints except that he has seemed sensitive to his L hamstrings sometimes. He is an active little bugger as JRTs are and runs and jumps around like crazy. On PE the only thing I could find was sensitivity at L lateral distal stifle (EDL attachment) pain at L cranial hock palpation( but no pain on flexion and extension) except he did not like the EDL stretch (hock extension with digit flexion). Patellas are a little sloppy, but do not sublux. He has a typical terrier straight build. He seems to be tippytoes on the back which I think was worse after exam. I will attach the youtube video of him trotting around so you can see his gait. Questions: Does anyone know why he might have sensitivity in bilat EDL? Is this a conformation issue possibly? Can anyone think of a compensation that this might be stemming from? Any thoughts on skipping and hopping other than luxating patellas? I did a thorough exam of the rest, back, hips, stifles, etc and could find nothing wrong. Thanks for any help! Day, PT, CCRP I seem to be having trouble uploading the video. If this doesn't work I will try again tomorrow. Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (7) . Top ^ 2e Re: JRT with a "hitch in his giddy up" Wed Aug 22, 2012 6:32 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "waghabpt" waghabpt Dr. Toni, Thanks for the thoughts! He was tight in his hamstrings, especially the L. I did feel that his sacrum and pelvis were aligned normally though. , I am sorry about the abbreviation. I use them in human medicine and just got lazy when typing. I was referencing his extensor digitorum longus. Rick, Thank you for your thoughtful and experienced eye. I also thought patellar luxation when observing the gait. I did feel that his patellas were stable when I was examining him though. Do you see dogs that you cannot luxate the patella without sedation, but can under sedation? And this is the cause of the altered gait? Would you perform surgery on something like this? I may be wrong, but I would think that if I could not manipulate his patella out of groove with manual force with a non sedated dog, then it would probably not be luxating during gait. I would appreciate everyone's further thoughts, Thanks so much! Day > > > > Hi All, > > I have a question about using LASER for post-op cases. I recently had a > surgeon request that I avoid lasering over the implant on a lateral suture > for CCL repair. The surgeon felt it would interfere with the inflammatory > process and delay the scar tissue formation needed for stabilization. > > I was under the impression that laser could help with collagen formation > and I have always thought laser improves healing directly post-op. > > Please correct me if I am wrong - I've felt that when I am able to get > patients to come in directly post-op they do very well (because I can also > discuss PROM, icing and other pain management modalities). Should I avoid > laser? What about the incision - I know laser is good for the incision - > but then I'm still going to affect the implant below! > > Help! > > Thanks, > Tina > > PS - (On a different note - but same concept - I had an FHO referred > awhile back that was not on an NSAID directly post-op for the same reason - > the surgeon did not want to interfere with scar tissue formation. The dog > was quite painful, so I spoke with the surgeon and we agreed to start > Rimadyl. I love NSAIDs for post-op pain - so any of you surgeons out there, > please give me your input on why you might avoid using it directly post-op) > > > > Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (3) . Top ^ Visit Your Group > View All Topics > Create New Topic > We are making changes based on your feedback, Thank you ! Submit Feedback > The Yahoo! Groups Product Blog Check it out! > CHANGE SETTINGS > TERMS OF USE > UNSUBSCRIBE > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 23, 2012 Report Share Posted August 23, 2012 Dear , I find dogs who appear to gait normally, puppy sit and cannot sit square have pelvic, sacral and lumbar imbalance. My own kelpie did this until she was 1 year old and I did not think as a vet there was anything wrong with her. She showed no other signs of gait abnormality ( to my eye at the time!) My training in pelvic and sacral motions and balance immediately diagnosed the L SI was unable to extend and her sacrum was rotated. Manual adjustment cleared it immediately - she just sat square straight after I treated her with no training to do so and chose to sit square and still has to this day. Since that time 1o years ago, I have noted and treat pelvic and sacral, lumbar imbalance and the result is consistent -after restoring proper motion to these areas to the best of my ability, they will sit square even with concurrent hip dysplasia. Owners will often comment at the end of a treatment as I test sitting square that their dog has never sat square but no one had noticed anything wrong. Dogs with medial patella luxation - I find I need to treat these areas as well and this helps their hind legs muscles balance better. Dogs who are ambulatory and puppy sit leave a treatment able to sit square , and I aim to gain good traction through the back and move into extension and flexion through the pelvis and sacrum into the lumbars. Some (depending on the findings in each dog) are not able to pull their legs in neatly and are weak but all can sit square. I teach owners how to keep this going and strengthen the hind quarters and agility owners say what an improvement they note in other areas of the dogs performance. I have had a number of obedience dog owners so happy that their dog was not "lazy". Dr Toni Lynch BVScHons GDChiroCertAyurTLC Veterinary Rehabilitationph 0408 743 595toni.tlc@... From: Radosta Sent: Thursday, August 23, 2012 11:44 PM To: vetrehab Subject: Re: Digest Number 1846 Hello I would be interested on any feedback the group has on the etiology (physical) and detrimental effects if any of puppy sitting. This is the lay term for a lazy sit where the puppy shifts his weight back so that the pelvis is rotated. Another variation involves the hind limbs splayed out. Instead of the puppy sitting with his feet underneath him, his metatarsus is lateral to the body bilaterally. My experience is that pups who show no other signs or who are taught to sit straight often do, however I would love the opinions of the experts. Thanks Radosta DVM, DACVB Florida Veterinary Behavior Service www.flvetbehavior.com On Aug 23, 2012, at 5:09 AM, VetRehab wrote: Vet Rehab Professionals Group 10 New Messages Digest #1846 1a Re: ML830 laser by "ph DeLucia DVM, CCRP" dogedoc 1b Re: ML830 laser by "Dr. Mayer" holisticdvm1 2a Re: JRT with a "hitch in his giddy up" by " Reynolds" sreynoldsvcarehab 2b Re: JRT with a "hitch in his giddy up" by "Pamela Mueller" tickandjif 2c Re: JRT with a "hitch in his giddy up" by "Rick Wall, DVM" drwallrwall 2d Re: JRT with a "hitch in his giddy up" by "toni.tlc@..." tlcvet_handson 2e Re: JRT with a "hitch in his giddy up" by "waghabpt" waghabpt 2f Re: JRT with a "hitch in his giddy up" by "Rick Wall, DVM" drwallrwall 3a Re: LASER and Post-Op Cases by "Laurie Edge-" ledgehughes 3b Re: LASER and Post-Op Cases by " Fuoco" tina.fuoco Messages 1a Re: ML830 laser Wed Aug 22, 2012 5:11 am (PDT) . Posted by: "ph DeLucia DVM, CCRP" dogedoc ,You stated the Chatanooga Laser and the Grady Laser as a class 3b laser with a power of 1 to 2 watts and 1 to 4 watts respectively.Did you intend to say Class 4 lasers?ph A. DeLucia DVM, CCRPDirector of Rehabilitation Services- Valley Animal Hospital 1171 Valley RoadClifton, New Jersey 07013 ext. 303drdvalleyofthevets Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (5) . Top ^ 1b Re: ML830 laser Wed Aug 22, 2012 5:43 am (PDT) . Posted by: "Dr. Mayer" holisticdvm1 Sorry.Chattanooga is Class 3b and Grady Class 4. Mayer DVM CVA CVC CCRPIntegrative VeterinarianDescription: IV logo-1Founder and CEOwww.integrativeveterinarian.comFrom: VetRehab [mailto:VetRehab ] On BehalfOf ph DeLucia DVM, CCRPSent: Wednesday, August 22, 2012 5:11 AMTo: VetRehab Subject: Re: ML830 laser,You stated the Chatanooga Laser and the Grady Laser as a class 3b laser witha power of 1 to 2 watts and 1 to 4 watts respectively.Did you intend to say Class 4 lasers?ph A. DeLucia DVM, CCRPDirector of Rehabilitation Services- Valley Animal Hospital 1171 Valley RoadClifton, New Jersey 07013 ext. 303drdvalleyofthevets <mailto:drd%40valleyofthevets.com> Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (5) . Top ^ 2a Re: JRT with a "hitch in his giddy up" Wed Aug 22, 2012 11:57 am (PDT) . Posted by: " Reynolds" sreynoldsvcarehab I'm sorry I'm still learning rehab - What do you mean by EDL? Thanks!From: waghabpt <meganwaghab>Subject: JRT with a "hitch in his giddy up"To: VetRehab Date: Monday, August 20, 2012, 7:42 PMI am hoping for a little help. I just took a look at an 11 month old Parson's JRT today that has been skipping and has a "hitch in his giddy up". No other real complaints except that he has seemed sensitive to his L hamstrings sometimes. He is an active little bugger as JRTs are and runs and jumps around like crazy.On PE the only thing I could find was sensitivity at L lateral distal stifle (EDL attachment) pain at L cranial hock palpation( but no pain on flexion and extension) except he did not like the EDL stretch (hock extension with digit flexion). Patellas are a little sloppy, but do not sublux. He has a typical terrier straight build. He seems to be tippytoes on the back which I think was worse after exam. I will attach the youtube video of him trotting around so you can see his gait.Questions: Does anyone know why he might have sensitivity in bilat EDL? Is this a conformation issue possibly? Can anyone think of a compensation that this might be stemming from? Any thoughts on skipping and hopping other than luxating patellas? I did a thorough exam of the rest, back, hips, stifles, etc and could find nothing wrong.Thanks for any help! Day, PT, CCRPI seem to be having trouble uploading the video. If this doesn't work I will try again tomorrow. Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (7) . Top ^ 2e Re: JRT with a "hitch in his giddy up" Wed Aug 22, 2012 6:32 pm (PDT) . Posted by: "waghabpt" waghabpt Dr. Toni, Thanks for the thoughts! He was tight in his hamstrings, especially the L. I did feel that his sacrum and pelvis were aligned normally though. , I am sorry about the abbreviation. I use them in human medicine and just got lazy when typing. I was referencing his extensor digitorum longus.Rick,Thank you for your thoughtful and experienced eye. I also thought patellar luxation when observing the gait. I did feel that his patellas were stable when I was examining him though. Do you see dogs that you cannot luxate the patella without sedation, but can under sedation? And this is the cause of the altered gait? Would you perform surgery on something like this?I may be wrong, but I would think that if I could not manipulate his patella out of groove with manual force with a non sedated dog, then it would probably not be luxating during gait. I would appreciate everyone's further thoughts,Thanks so much! Day>>>> Hi All,>> I have a question about using LASER for post-op cases. I recently had a> surgeon request that I avoid lasering over the implant on a lateral suture> for CCL repair. The surgeon felt it would interfere with the inflammatory> process and delay the scar tissue formation needed for stabilization.>> I was under the impression that laser could help with collagen formation> and I have always thought laser improves healing directly post-op.>> Please correct me if I am wrong - I've felt that when I am able to get> patients to come in directly post-op they do very well (because I can also> discuss PROM, icing and other pain management modalities). Should I avoid> laser? What about the incision - I know laser is good for the incision -> but then I'm still going to affect the implant below!>> Help!>> Thanks,> Tina>> PS - (On a different note - but same concept - I had an FHO referred> awhile back that was not on an NSAID directly post-op for the same reason -> the surgeon did not want to interfere with scar tissue formation. The dog> was quite painful, so I spoke with the surgeon and we agreed to start> Rimadyl. I love NSAIDs for post-op pain - so any of you surgeons out there,> please give me your input on why you might avoid using it directly post-op)>>> > Reply to sender . Reply to group . Reply via Web Post . All Messages (3) . Top ^ Visit Your Group > View All Topics > Create New Topic > We are making changes based on your feedback, Thank you ! Submit Feedback > The Yahoo! Groups Product Blog Check it out! > CHANGE SETTINGS > TERMS OF USE > UNSUBSCRIBE > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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