Re: Extrinsic allergic alveolitis

[Guest guest]

Hi

I have a patient with exactly the same problem at present, who has improved

brilliantly.

To the point where he has now got a nordic walker thingy so he can exercise at

home. Couldn't walk down the garden in February - now his lung function tests

are great and he feels very well, better than he has done for years. Exercising

for half hour at a time. can do 15 mins on Nordic walker without getting puffed.

Hospital is mighty impressed

Obviously there are some things that relate just to him (BP was a bit high as

well so he has Crataegus, but maybe heart needs support with all that coughing

anyway)

So the things I think cracked it were Pimpinella, Marrubium and Plantago major

(not lanceleoata). he's had some archangelica too. Took a little while

to clear the mucus, but he knew he needed to give it a bit of time and he

doesn't have coughing fits any more.

Hope that is helpful

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Subject: Extrinsic allergic alveolitis

Hi All

Has anyone any experience in treating extrinsic allergic alveolitis?

I have a lovely lady come to me with this problem - actually that is

what the medics are saying but she is going into the Brompton for

extensive tests in the New Year. She has had a constant cough for the

past year following a bout of pneumonia. She has been constantly on

and off antibiotics over this period. When it is acute she also has

flu like symptoms - aching, fever. Sometimes migraine and vomiting

because of the cough,most of the time she brings up little mucus which

is clear. Her chest sounds terrible! wheezing and crackles.

Triggers could include house move, divorce, obviously pneumonia has

made worse. I have been giving her (off the top of my head) Inula,

Thymus, Echinacea on and off when needed, Ephedra, lobelia...Plus

massage with essential oils. She is losing weight because she is more

ill than not. Cancer has been scanned/tested for. Does anyone have

any wonderful ideas?

X

[Guest guest]

Hi Sars,

I've had a few like this too. I too give thymus and echinacea for the

infectious times.

I teach them " Stop the cough' Buteyko method. I can send you my

sheet on this offlist if you like.

Buteyko says that coughing, if there isn't a lungfull of infected

gloop actually serves no purpose and is self perpetuating. I goes

something like: Dry irritated membranes cause cough, cough cough,

(very irritating) gasp a big lungfull of dry cold unfiltered air

which further dries and irritates membranes, cough cough cough and so

on.

Also encourage nose breathing at all times. Warms, moistens and

filters air and produces nice bronchial dilating and anti

inflammatory nitric oxide.

Main mixes have been Glyc. glabra, cetraria and plantago as anti

inflammatory mm restoratives that have been very useful. Pimpinella

as a anti spasmodic pectoral remedy. My favourite no cough remedy is

prunus. I give them a bottle of tincture with gylcerine and get them

to have a little swig as they need it - works really well.

XXXZoe

Medical Herbalist

MNIMH RGN Dip Phyt.

www.herbaljournal.co.uk

www.zoehawes.co.uk

Bath

01761 439 920

[Guest guest]

Zoe

can I do a " me too " on the Buteyko sheet? I'm really impressed

with Buteyko :-)

Sally O

sally@...

> Hi Sars,

> I've had a few like this too. I too give thymus and echinacea for the

> infectious times.

>

> I teach them " Stop the cough' Buteyko method. I can send you my

> sheet on this offlist if you like.

> Buteyko says that coughing, if there isn't a lungfull of infected

> gloop actually serves no purpose and is self perpetuating. I goes

> something like: Dry irritated membranes cause cough, cough cough,

> (very irritating) gasp a big lungfull of dry cold unfiltered air

> which further dries and irritates membranes, cough cough cough and so

> on.

> Also encourage nose breathing at all times. Warms, moistens and

> filters air and produces nice bronchial dilating and anti

> inflammatory nitric oxide.

>

> Main mixes have been Glyc. glabra, cetraria and plantago as anti

> inflammatory mm restoratives that have been very useful. Pimpinella

> as a anti spasmodic pectoral remedy. My favourite no cough remedy is

> prunus. I give them a bottle of tincture with gylcerine and get them

> to have a little swig as they need it - works really well.

>

> XXXZoe

>

>

> Medical Herbalist

> MNIMH RGN Dip Phyt.

>

> www.herbaljournal.co.uk

> www.zoehawes.co.uk

> Bath

> 01761 439 920

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

I had a similar patient last year and after making some progress with most of

the herbs already mentioned by other list members, the key addition that really

seemed to make a huge difference was Verbascum leaf  FE (I know that alot of

authors recommend the flowers over the leaf, but I def found the leaf more

powerful).

cheers,

gursewa.

 

Hi All

Has anyone any experience in treating extrinsic allergic alveolitis?

I have a lovely lady come to me with this problem - actually that is

what the medics are saying but she is going into the Brompton for

extensive tests in the New Year. She has had a constant cough for the

past year following a bout of pneumonia. She has been constantly on

and off antibiotics over this period. When it is acute she also has

flu like symptoms - aching, fever. Sometimes migraine and vomiting

because of the cough,most of the time she brings up little mucus which

is clear. Her chest sounds terrible! wheezing and crackles.

Triggers could include house move, divorce, obviously pneumonia has

made worse. I have been giving her (off the top of my head) Inula,

Thymus, Echinacea on and off when needed, Ephedra, lobelia...Plus

massage with essential oils. She is losing weight because she is more

ill than not. Cancer has been scanned/tested for. Does anyone have

any wonderful ideas?

X

[Guest guest]

Hi

Her sxs are similar to mycoplasma pneumonia which we see a lot of here in

singapore.  Patients tend to be put on 2 week courses of klacid at a time and

the illness always comes back.  I have had success with a base mix of myrrh,

baptisia, echinacea and eleuthroccocus. I find that the eleuthro is necessary as

so many of them are depleted by the illness.  Then I add anything else that

fits the individual picture.  Hope this helps.

sharita

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Sent: Wednesday, 3 December 2008 8:31:30

Subject: RE: Extrinsic allergic alveolitis

Hi ,

I had a similar patient last year and after making some progress with most of

the herbs already mentioned by other list members, the key addition that really

seemed to make a huge difference was Verbascum leaf  FE (I know that alot of

authors recommend the flowers over the leaf, but I def found the leaf more

powerful).

cheers,

gursewa.

 

Hi All

Has anyone any experience in treating extrinsic allergic alveolitis?

I have a lovely lady come to me with this problem - actually that is

what the medics are saying but she is going into the Brompton for

extensive tests in the New Year. She has had a constant cough for the

past year following a bout of pneumonia. She has been constantly on

and off antibiotics over this period. When it is acute she also has

flu like symptoms - aching, fever. Sometimes migraine and vomiting

because of the cough,most of the time she brings up little mucus which

is clear. Her chest sounds terrible! wheezing and crackles.

Triggers could include house move, divorce, obviously pneumonia has

made worse. I have been giving her (off the top of my head) Inula,

Thymus, Echinacea on and off when needed, Ephedra, lobelia...Plus

massage with essential oils. She is losing weight because she is more

ill than not. Cancer has been scanned/tested for. Does anyone have

any wonderful ideas?

X

[Guest guest]

Hi Gursewa

re verbascum,

I like the leaves in tea and the flowers in oil (for ears) meself.

> Hi ,

> I had a similar patient last year and after making some progress

> with most of the herbs already mentioned by other list members, the

> key addition that really seemed to make a huge difference was

> Verbascum leaf FE (I know that alot of authors recommend the

> flowers over the leaf, but I def found the leaf more powerful).

>

> cheers,

> gursewa.

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> Hi All

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> Has anyone any experience in treating extrinsic allergic alveolitis?

>

> I have a lovely lady come to me with this problem - actually that is

>

> what the medics are saying but she is going into the Brompton for

>

> extensive tests in the New Year. She has had a constant cough for the

>

> past year following a bout of pneumonia. She has been constantly on

>

> and off antibiotics over this period. When it is acute she also has

>

> flu like symptoms - aching, fever. Sometimes migraine and vomiting

>

> because of the cough,most of the time she brings up little mucus which

>

> is clear. Her chest sounds terrible! wheezing and crackles.

>

> Triggers could include house move, divorce, obviously pneumonia has

>

> made worse. I have been giving her (off the top of my head) Inula,

>

> Thymus, Echinacea on and off when needed, Ephedra, lobelia...Plus

>

> massage with essential oils. She is losing weight because she is more

>

> ill than not. Cancer has been scanned/tested for. Does anyone have

>

> any wonderful ideas?

>

> X

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[Guest guest]

Thankyou all for such a big response and some great suggestions! I

would love to see something on Buteyko Zoe - could you send it to my

email address - thankyou! XX