Guest guest Posted September 21, 2007 Report Share Posted September 21, 2007 My grandparents babysat my daughter while I went to college, and I could always tell when they snuck her milk... They were so upset with me, because my grandpa was a dairy farmer, and by God, " Milk is nature's perfect food. " They thought I was torturing her by not giving her milk... of course, it was torturing all of us, as she would not sleep through the night for the screaming and crying and tossing and turning... I had to stop taking college classes (didn't have anyone I could trust not to give her milk...) My MIL would give her chocolate, and force it on her... (My kids don't " do " candy... we still have most of our Halloween candy from last year, as we try to be very healthy.) So, when I removed her, kept an eye on her food consumption, etc... she improved so greatly, it was hard for anyone to argue that milk was the problem... Would it be possible to get him calcium supplements, and calcium fortified foods, to " prove " he is getting the calcium he needs w/o milk? That made my family feel better about it... Aubrey > > > Yes, he insists on MILK. He does drink water & juice on occasion (pretty > much when we are at a restaurant). I'm with you..I know that this amount of > milk is not good. I try to minimize it if I'm around him most of the time > but I do have a husband and a MIL who give into his every whim. They don't > understand how MILK (casein) can potentially be harming him or at least not > making him operate at his fullest potential. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2007 Report Share Posted September 21, 2007 Do not give your maternal power over. Enzymes have helped many but I believe Tracey may have had better results after going off the milk. Plus, enzymes have their own issues. They have been discussed as possibly causing gut tears. Nothing is perfect and do what you will but if you can go off for a trial that is the best way to know if milk is your problem. myra.bauza@... wrote: > > Thanks for th advice. If it were simply up to me.....I would do this in a > heartbeat..but have a husband who gives into and a MIL who also gives > into > him. I'm fighting a losing battle on all fronts. And they just don't > understand how harmful the milk can potentially be for him. Nothing is > easy. I am going to try the enzymes another lister Tracey tried and > succeeded with... > > > > Kim > <kimonines (DOT) > com> To > Sent by: > <mailto: %40> > childrensapraxian cc > et@... <mailto:et%40groups.co> > m Subject > Re: [ ] diet > > 09/21/2007 01:12 > PM > > > Please respond to > childrensapraxian > et@... <mailto:et%40groups.co> > m > > > > > > > It sounds like your son has sensory integration issues going on with > food. > Some OTs know how to treat this if you call around and ask. Also, picky > eaters often become less picky once the one food they are obsessing > over is > removed from the diet. I know it sounds counterintuitive, but kids often > obsess over foods that are the most harmful for them. Once you remove > that > food, other problems are often resolved. It's just the transition that > can > be a monster! > > My 5 year old was a milk guzzler and a picky eater. It took him over a > month, but he will now drink almond milk and enjoys it, although he > doesn't > drink it often. At first he would have nothing to do with any alternative > milks because he still remembered what the real stuff tasted like and he > still craved it. Now he doesn't miss dairy at all and is a much less > picky > eater. This type of transition is very typical for kids who are milk > lovers. Sometimes you just have to be creative and hang tough. > > Kim with 4 cuties > > myra.bauza@... <mailto:myra.bauza%40chase.com> wrote: > > My son smells everything! So, if Almond Milk smells different than his > current milk, he is going to refuse. It is not a matter of how things > taste. My son has alot of food aversions of which I'm trying > desparately to > > cure. It is extremely difficult for him to try any new foods. He acts > like > he's in pain while tasting. (And for all I know, he may very well be). > I'm > scheduled to attend a Food Seminar for Children such as mine in a > couple of > > weeks. Hopefully, they'll enlighten me with what to do. > The drs don't care about this issue either. My son is in the high > percentile range for height and right in the middle for weight. He rarely > if ever gets sick and that's all they care about. The rest is " our " > issue. > > Molly > <mau_li@... <mailto:mau_li%40> > > To > Sent by: > <mailto: %40> > childrensapraxian cc > et@... <mailto:et%40groups.co> > m Subject > Re: [ ] diet > > 09/21/2007 10:14 > AM > > Please respond to > childrensapraxian > et@... <mailto:et%40groups.co> > m > > Have you tried almond milk? it is delicious! > Even rice milk taste pretty good, but it isn't as nutritious. > > Re: [ ] diet > > , > I'm with you. I would love to take my son off of dairy since I think > he has > > > malabsorption issues.(not as bad as when he was younger) but I simply > can't. My son drinks 1 gallon every other day...and I've tried the > soys and > > > he will not have them. My son only eats about 5 things so I cannot > take him > > > off it . I do buy Lactaid and that seems to be less troublesome than > 'regular " milk. > > Hanagan > <hanagan_8@hotmai > l.com> To > Sent by: < @groups. co > childrensapraxian m> > etgroups (DOT) co cc > m > Subject > [childrensapraxiane t] diet > 09/21/2007 01:13 > AM > > Please respond to > childrensapraxian > etgroups (DOT) co > m > > We began the fish oil supplements about one month ago, and we've had > remarkable results! Now, I'd like to address the diet issues. My problem > with this is that my 2.5 year old id INCREDIBLY picky! I now realize that > we are also completely dependent on dairy. I took dairy away for about > three days (he seemed to have a better mood), but he wouldn't drink the > rice or soy milk (enriched with vitamin d and calcium). I'm so afraid of > vitamin deficiencies that I chickened out. Any suggestions. ....what do I > do with a very picky eater????? > > Thanks > > > ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ > Gear up for Halo® 3 with free downloads and an exclusive offer. > It’s our > > way of saying thanks for using Windows Live™. > http://gethalo3gear .com?ocid= SeptemberWLHalo3 _WLHMTxt_ 2 > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2007 Report Share Posted September 21, 2007 Here's the thing about milk.... they call it the casio-morphine effect (spelling?) or if gluten is your problem, the gluta-morphine effect. Some call it the opoid effect. These substances are very close in make-up to morphine. I think it is something like one or two molecules away.... very similiar at least. For our kids who are diet responders, we might as well be loading them up on morphine as it produces the same results. This includes the ADDICTION aspect. Thus, your child wants milk because it takes him away to 'LA-LA land' and makes him feel good. Thus, when he doesn't get it, he does feel some measure of withdrawal. Withdrawal can be a little nasty to go through (nothing like the real morphine however) but once it is done, the child really is happier and healthier and more able-bodied. Now we all have 'feel-good' foods that we enjoy. For me, it is macaroni and cheese. Gee, guess I like casien and gluten too! But, it simply does not affect me to such an extent neurologically. For my son, casien messes with his senses to the level of about 5,000 times what it does for me. No wonder he never developed properly; the child was chronicly stoned. How on earth can a person develop neurologically if they never have their true, god-given wits about them? They are simply walking around in a semi-drug induced haze. Is this forever? I have heard stories where the diet can be eliminated at some point but we certainly are not there yet. My child can tolerate quite a bit of gluten along with high quality enzymes without issue. But if I forget to give him enzymes for a few days, he begins to regress once more. He cannot tolerate milk even with enzymes. So.... every child is indeed individual and some are able to eventually leave the diet once the gut is healed and the yeast issues are resolved and just use dietary enzymes to control the sensitivity in the stomach. But if your child was a diabetic, you wouldn't give them just a little sugar; you would completely remove it from their choices of foods. It is the same way for us and casien. Janice [sPAM] Re: [ ] diet If you want to take your son off of dairy and he drinks that much. I would start weaning him down off of it. 1 gallon every other day is really too much. It is probably why he only eats those things. By luck my daughter stopped drinking milk when she was 17 mos because she gave up the bottle why on vacation. She was a very picky eater and her appetite grew overnight. I kept with keeping her off milk and she began to eat. I am sure you will see the same results. Just do it slowly and stick with it.... myra.bauza@... wrote: , I'm with you. I would love to take my son off of dairy since I think he has malabsorption issues.(not as bad as when he was younger) but I simply can't. My son drinks 1 gallon every other day...and I've tried the soys and he will not have them. My son only eats about 5 things so I cannot take him off it . I do buy Lactaid and that seems to be less troublesome than 'regular " milk. Hanagan <hanagan_8@hotmai l.com> To Sent by: < @... childrensapraxian m> et@... cc m Subject [ ] diet 09/21/2007 01:13 AM Please respond to childrensapraxian et@... m We began the fish oil supplements about one month ago, and we've had remarkable results! Now, I'd like to address the diet issues. My problem with this is that my 2.5 year old id INCREDIBLY picky! I now realize that we are also completely dependent on dairy. I took dairy away for about three days (he seemed to have a better mood), but he wouldn't drink the rice or soy milk (enriched with vitamin d and calcium). I'm so afraid of vitamin deficiencies that I chickened out. Any suggestions.....what do I do with a very picky eater????? Thanks __________________________________________________________ Gear up for Halo® 3 with free downloads and an exclusive offer. Itâ?Ts our way of saying thanks for using Windows Liveâ " ¢. http://gethalo3gear.com?ocid=SeptemberWLHalo3_WLHMTxt_2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2007 Report Share Posted September 21, 2007 Again, if I were alone in the world with my son....But I'm not and they simply do not get it. My mother is even worse! She will ask him if he wants milk. She too believes that Milk is the perfect food and since he doesn't eat much. She doesn't realize that it could be the reason he doesn't well. I've often thought that if I didn't work, things would've been different. So, it is something that eats at me alot. But, in the meantime, I will provide the enzymes and see if this counteracts the casein. As well, I am trying hard to minimize his intake. Thanks for your response. It's nice to hear that there are others in similar situations. " Aubrey " <hypnotist_collec tr@...> To Sent by: childrensapraxian cc et@... m Subject [ ] Re: diet 09/21/2007 02:36 PM Please respond to childrensapraxian et@... m My grandparents babysat my daughter while I went to college, and I could always tell when they snuck her milk... They were so upset with me, because my grandpa was a dairy farmer, and by God, " Milk is nature's perfect food. " They thought I was torturing her by not giving her milk... of course, it was torturing all of us, as she would not sleep through the night for the screaming and crying and tossing and turning... I had to stop taking college classes (didn't have anyone I could trust not to give her milk...) My MIL would give her chocolate, and force it on her... (My kids don't " do " candy... we still have most of our Halloween candy from last year, as we try to be very healthy.) So, when I removed her, kept an eye on her food consumption, etc... she improved so greatly, it was hard for anyone to argue that milk was the problem... Would it be possible to get him calcium supplements, and calcium fortified foods, to " prove " he is getting the calcium he needs w/o milk? That made my family feel better about it... Aubrey > > > Yes, he insists on MILK. He does drink water & juice on occasion (pretty > much when we are at a restaurant). I'm with you..I know that this amount of > milk is not good. I try to minimize it if I'm around him most of the time > but I do have a husband and a MIL who give into his every whim. They don't > understand how MILK (casein) can potentially be harming him or at least not > making him operate at his fullest potential. > > ----------------------------------------- This transmission may contain information that is privileged, confidential, legally privileged, and/or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the information contained herein (including any reliance thereon) is STRICTLY PROHIBITED. Although this transmission and any attachments are believed to be free of any virus or other defect that might affect any computer system into which it is received and opened, it is the responsibility of the recipient to ensure that it is virus free and no responsibility is accepted by JP Chase & Co., its subsidiaries and affiliates, as applicable, for any loss or damage arising in any way from its use. If you received this transmission in error, please immediately contact the sender and destroy the material in its entirety, whether in electronic or hard copy format. Thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2007 Report Share Posted September 21, 2007 well put! Liz <lizlaw@optonline .net> To Sent by: childrensapraxian cc et@... m Subject Re: [ ] diet 09/21/2007 02:34 PM Please respond to childrensapraxian et@... m Good Mommy. As for husband and MIL you have to give it to them straight. In his little body from what your are seeing milk may very well be a street drug for him. The only way to know one way or the other is elimination and observation. You simply cannot do that with people who love him serving as his dealer. myra.bauza@... wrote: > > Yes, he insists on MILK. He does drink water & juice on occasion (pretty > much when we are at a restaurant). I'm with you..I know that this > amount of > milk is not good. I try to minimize it if I'm around him most of the time > but I do have a husband and a MIL who give into his every whim. They > don't > understand how MILK (casein) can potentially be harming him or at > least not > making him operate at his fullest potential. > > > > Liz > <lizlaw@optonline > .net> To > Sent by: > <mailto: %40> > childrensapraxian cc > et@... <mailto:et%40groups.co> > m Subject > Re: [ ] diet > > 09/21/2007 10:41 > AM > > > Please respond to > childrensapraxian > et@... <mailto:et%40groups.co> > m > > > > > > > 1/2 gallon of anything is not good. My kids ate 3 or 4 things before we > wenht GFCF. We only had one bad day. Self-limiting foods by the kid is a > sign of something going wrong, at least that is what we found with our > kids. Just a thought. > > Honestly, if you took him off milk and replaced it with water would he > drink that until you addressed the rest of diet? Does he have to have > milk? > > myra.bauza@... <mailto:myra.bauza%40chase.com> wrote: > > > > > , > > I'm with you. I would love to take my son off of dairy since I think > > he has > > malabsorption issues.(not as bad as when he was younger) but I simply > > can't. My son drinks 1 gallon every other day...and I've tried the > > soys and > > he will not have them. My son only eats about 5 things so I cannot > > take him > > off it . I do buy Lactaid and that seems to be less troublesome than > > 'regular " milk. > > > > > > > > Hanagan > > <hanagan_8@hotmai > > l.com> To > > Sent by: < @... > <mailto: %40groups.co> > > <mailto: %40groups.co> > > childrensapraxian m> > > et@... <mailto:et%40groups.co> > <mailto:et%40groups.co> cc > > m > > Subject > > [ ] diet > > 09/21/2007 01:13 > > AM > > > > > > Please respond to > > childrensapraxian > > et@... <mailto:et%40groups.co> > <mailto:et%40groups.co> > > m > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We began the fish oil supplements about one month ago, and we've had > > remarkable results! Now, I'd like to address the diet issues. My > problem > > with this is that my 2.5 year old id INCREDIBLY picky! I now realize > that > > we are also completely dependent on dairy. I took dairy away for about > > three days (he seemed to have a better mood), but he wouldn't drink the > > rice or soy milk (enriched with vitamin d and calcium). I'm so > afraid of > > vitamin deficiencies that I chickened out. Any suggestions.....what > do I > > do with a very picky eater????? > > > > Thanks > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > Gear up for Halo® 3 with free downloads and an exclusive offer. It’s > our > > way of saying thanks for using Windows Live™. > > http://gethalo3gear.com?ocid=SeptemberWLHalo3_WLHMTxt_2 > <http://gethalo3gear.com?ocid=SeptemberWLHalo3_WLHMTxt_2> > > <http://gethalo3gear.com?ocid=SeptemberWLHalo3_WLHMTxt_2 > <http://gethalo3gear.com?ocid=SeptemberWLHalo3_WLHMTxt_2>> > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2007 Report Share Posted September 22, 2007 I went out and bought healthy food but it seems all I want to eat is cereal. I can't get enough and haven't had this much milk since I was growing up! The good thing is I like shredded wheat and bran cereals so at least it's something healthy. lol Oddly I don't crave chocolate any more and I've ALWAYS been a chocoholic. It's gotta be the tx! That's great news about not having any damage to your liver. I read that people with little or no damage stand a better chance of success with treatment but ask your doc about that. It's what you pay him for and I'm no expert. ;-) Treatment (tx) seems to affect people differently and you won't know how you're going to feel until you start. Some have very mild sides and some have really bad sides, so as far as I know it's a coin toss. Good luck to ya K9! I hope it goes smoothly for you and you get through your 48 with few bumps in the road! Ask anyone here if you have questions and we'll be happy to help if we can. Gayle > > Hello, > > I joined this group a while back, and have been reading the postings > since then. I have learned quite a bit from reading these. > > The doctor tells me I have probadly had this virus for many years.I > am type 1A, so it will be 48 weeks for me. I am very anxious about > starting the treatment, my first shot will be on this coming Tuesday, > the 25th. My biopsy came out very good, no damage to my liver. I live > alone, however, I have the support of my parents who will stay with > me as long as neccesary after the first shot. > > I was wondering if anyone could give me an idea about how to prepare > for this, I am not sure what to buy to eat. I know everyone is > different, but maybe someone could give me an idea what to get. I > still have a couple of days to prepare for this. There are a lot of > you who have been on treatment for a while, and I thought maybe you > could tell me, what did you feel like eating? > > Any information would be greatly appreciated. > > Kathi Wallis > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2007 Report Share Posted September 22, 2007 I went out and bought healthy food but it seems all I want to eat is cereal. I can't get enough and haven't had this much milk since I was growing up! The good thing is I like shredded wheat and bran cereals so at least it's something healthy. lol Oddly I don't crave chocolate any more and I've ALWAYS been a chocoholic. It's gotta be the tx! That's great news about not having any damage to your liver. I read that people with little or no damage stand a better chance of success with treatment but ask your doc about that. It's what you pay him for and I'm no expert. ;-) Treatment (tx) seems to affect people differently and you won't know how you're going to feel until you start. Some have very mild sides and some have really bad sides, so as far as I know it's a coin toss. Good luck to ya K9! I hope it goes smoothly for you and you get through your 48 with few bumps in the road! Ask anyone here if you have questions and we'll be happy to help if we can. Gayle > > Hello, > > I joined this group a while back, and have been reading the postings > since then. I have learned quite a bit from reading these. > > The doctor tells me I have probadly had this virus for many years.I > am type 1A, so it will be 48 weeks for me. I am very anxious about > starting the treatment, my first shot will be on this coming Tuesday, > the 25th. My biopsy came out very good, no damage to my liver. I live > alone, however, I have the support of my parents who will stay with > me as long as neccesary after the first shot. > > I was wondering if anyone could give me an idea about how to prepare > for this, I am not sure what to buy to eat. I know everyone is > different, but maybe someone could give me an idea what to get. I > still have a couple of days to prepare for this. There are a lot of > you who have been on treatment for a while, and I thought maybe you > could tell me, what did you feel like eating? > > Any information would be greatly appreciated. > > Kathi Wallis > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2007 Report Share Posted September 23, 2007 lol i gained 25 pounds on tx had swollen glands. prostate infection, 30 days of cipro plus tx,43 and raiseing a 2 year old, 3 in oct.best thing is live enzynes get a juicer n juice,nothing like fresh juice does the body good,diet plays the most important roll in health and healing. the bodys is made to heal itself.herbs heal and help in a lot of ways and i use alot.but so far the only two herbs that have shown any help against hcv are oxymatrine and mistle toe oxy is not for me the sides where worse then tx for me.the other can be toxic.theres lots that help the liver but not kill the virus.but the mental sides where not good for me.on tx they never put me on anti depressents,plus doc would not treat sides.tx has cleared me but it was rough and 4 weeks pass tx it still is.my right side is acting nutso but doc thinks im wacko.says im fine.hcv is never the same in anyone,anyways im just rambleing on Sharon Burch <sburch49@...> wrote: I did drink Ensure. I know it sounds awful, but that was one of the things that stayed with me and did give me some nutrition. I lost 55 lbs. during tx and I had to have something so my doc said Ensure was the next best thing for nutrition. CHOCOLATE is the only one I could drink the whole 5 months....just a thought to try. Sharon --------------------------------- Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with FareChase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2007 Report Share Posted September 23, 2007 lol i gained 25 pounds on tx had swollen glands. prostate infection, 30 days of cipro plus tx,43 and raiseing a 2 year old, 3 in oct.best thing is live enzynes get a juicer n juice,nothing like fresh juice does the body good,diet plays the most important roll in health and healing. the bodys is made to heal itself.herbs heal and help in a lot of ways and i use alot.but so far the only two herbs that have shown any help against hcv are oxymatrine and mistle toe oxy is not for me the sides where worse then tx for me.the other can be toxic.theres lots that help the liver but not kill the virus.but the mental sides where not good for me.on tx they never put me on anti depressents,plus doc would not treat sides.tx has cleared me but it was rough and 4 weeks pass tx it still is.my right side is acting nutso but doc thinks im wacko.says im fine.hcv is never the same in anyone,anyways im just rambleing on Sharon Burch <sburch49@...> wrote: I did drink Ensure. I know it sounds awful, but that was one of the things that stayed with me and did give me some nutrition. I lost 55 lbs. during tx and I had to have something so my doc said Ensure was the next best thing for nutrition. CHOCOLATE is the only one I could drink the whole 5 months....just a thought to try. Sharon --------------------------------- Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with FareChase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2007 Report Share Posted September 24, 2007 What about weaning them off milk? The only way I could get to drink anything besides breastmilk was to s-l-o-w-l-y mix a bit of the new substance in with the old. Eventually she was drinking soy milk instead (yeah, we're going off that now only due to possible estrogen dominance issues down the road). I would try the almond or rice milks. I've never had almond, don't think I've seen it in the store here but I KNOW the rice is sweet and tastes great on cereal. It just isn't creamy like milk, that's all. Don't feel sorry for - she was breastfed until a year. This " cow " needed a break! Darlene > > > > > , > > I'm with you. I would love to take my son off of dairy since I think > > he has > > malabsorption issues.(not as bad as when he was younger) but I simply > > can't. My son drinks 1 gallon every other day...and I've tried the > > soys and > > he will not have them. My son only eats about 5 things so I cannot > > take him > > off it . I do buy Lactaid and that seems to be less troublesome than > > 'regular " milk. > > > > > > > > Hanagan > > <hanagan_8@hotmai > > l.com> To > > Sent by: < @... > > <mailto: %40groups.co> > > childrensapraxian m> > > et@... <mailto:et%40groups.co> cc > > m > > Subject > > [ ] diet > > 09/21/2007 01:13 > > AM > > > > > > Please respond to > > childrensapraxian > > et@... <mailto:et%40groups.co> > > m > > > > > > > > > > > > > > We began the fish oil supplements about one month ago, and we've had > > remarkable results! Now, I'd like to address the diet issues. My problem > > with this is that my 2.5 year old id INCREDIBLY picky! I now realize that > > we are also completely dependent on dairy. I took dairy away for about > > three days (he seemed to have a better mood), but he wouldn't drink the > > rice or soy milk (enriched with vitamin d and calcium). I'm so afraid of > > vitamin deficiencies that I chickened out. Any suggestions.....what do I > > do with a very picky eater????? > > > > Thanks > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > > Gear up for Halo® 3 with free downloads and an exclusive offer. It’s our > > way of saying thanks for using Windows Live™. > > http://gethalo3gear.com?ocid=SeptemberWLHalo3_WLHMTxt_2 > > <http://gethalo3gear.com?ocid=SeptemberWLHalo3_WLHMTxt_2> > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2007 Report Share Posted September 24, 2007 I starterd gaining weight right away but in the last 2 weeks I've dropped about 7 pounds. Food just doesn't have the appeal it did before and I have a hard time finishing a meal lately. Ha! I could lose 50 pounds and be happy with my weight so I'm not too worried about eating less these days. ;-) Oh man... I love Ensure and I'm certain it's the only thing that kept me from starvation in my user days. Wish they'd come up with a calorie free formula, I'd buy it! Gayle > I did drink Ensure. I know it sounds awful, > Sharon > > --------------------------------- > Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with FareChase. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2007 Report Share Posted September 24, 2007 I starterd gaining weight right away but in the last 2 weeks I've dropped about 7 pounds. Food just doesn't have the appeal it did before and I have a hard time finishing a meal lately. Ha! I could lose 50 pounds and be happy with my weight so I'm not too worried about eating less these days. ;-) Oh man... I love Ensure and I'm certain it's the only thing that kept me from starvation in my user days. Wish they'd come up with a calorie free formula, I'd buy it! Gayle > I did drink Ensure. I know it sounds awful, > Sharon > > --------------------------------- > Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with FareChase. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2007 Report Share Posted September 24, 2007 i craved sweets,never did before like those cherry pies 2 for a buck 38 grams of fat per goodness.lol do what ever you need to get thru it.i made alot of special brownies,yummy with a kick.lol.i had a very rough time .but would still do it knowing what i face again.get ready for the ride,and whats great if it gets to rough at any time you may get off it.but it does us all different.my 1st shot was nothing no flu nothing 1st 4 went great.you will do fine and my prayers are with you Kathi Wallis <k9wallis@...> wrote: Thank you to everyone for answering my question about what I might feel like eating during treatment. Tomorrow is the big day-shot #1 of 48, sure seems like a lot. I have some Ensure, cereal, other things I thought I might be able to keep down. I am certainly not looking forward to the side effects. But-Just maybe I will be one of the lucky ones with mild sides. Anyway, I am keeping my head up! I will tell you how it went Kathi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2007 Report Share Posted September 24, 2007 i craved sweets,never did before like those cherry pies 2 for a buck 38 grams of fat per goodness.lol do what ever you need to get thru it.i made alot of special brownies,yummy with a kick.lol.i had a very rough time .but would still do it knowing what i face again.get ready for the ride,and whats great if it gets to rough at any time you may get off it.but it does us all different.my 1st shot was nothing no flu nothing 1st 4 went great.you will do fine and my prayers are with you Kathi Wallis <k9wallis@...> wrote: Thank you to everyone for answering my question about what I might feel like eating during treatment. Tomorrow is the big day-shot #1 of 48, sure seems like a lot. I have some Ensure, cereal, other things I thought I might be able to keep down. I am certainly not looking forward to the side effects. But-Just maybe I will be one of the lucky ones with mild sides. Anyway, I am keeping my head up! I will tell you how it went Kathi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2007 Report Share Posted September 25, 2007 Good luck Kathi! Hope everything goes smoothly for you. ;-) Gayle > > Thank you to everyone for answering my question about what I might feel like eating during treatment. > > Tomorrow is the big day-shot #1 of 48, sure seems like a lot. I have some Ensure, cereal, other things I thought I might be able to keep down. I am certainly not looking forward to the side effects. But-Just maybe I will be one of the lucky ones with mild sides. Anyway, I am keeping my head up! > > I will tell you how it went > > Kathi > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2007 Report Share Posted September 26, 2007 I was recently on a campaign to see if I could find a cause for my fatigue. Even when my other Lyme symptoms are under control, I'm still tried ALL the time. My LLMD ordered a blood test that showed I was sensitive to a variety of foods, notably wheat & rye (but not barley). I asked my PCP for the celiac disease blood test, which game back negative. Then I went on a gluten-free diet because the blood test is not always accurate (where have we heard that before?). BTW, my research on blood tests for food sensitivities told me that the test could mean 1) that I was sensitive to the foods, 2) that I ate a lot of the foods, or 3) something else entirely, but no one was quite sure what. I stayed on the gluten-free diet for 6 weeks, at which time I saw my LLMD, who said I should have noticed some improvement and I hadn't. He suggested I give up all grain-based foods to see if that helped. I tried it and it didn't. My latest attempt to improve my fatigue is CoQ10. I'm taking 150 mg a day and plan to go to 200 mg daily. If I don't feel better, I'll stop at 200 mg. I'm skeptical about the effect of diet on Lyme, except that a healthy diet generally makes one feel better, which can't hurt. Jessie > > > Now, here's a subject that we don't talk about often. > > I'd like to know - instead of what people don't eat - sugar and carbs - what > you all do eat! > > Do you all stay away from sugar and carbs? Do you see a huge difference if > you do? > > Joe and I have never stayed away from all sugars and carbs and I want ot see > if it makes a big difference.... > > Looking forward to hearing from you, > > Ann > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2007 Report Share Posted September 26, 2007 Heh. I *usually* avoid sugar and starches. Breakfast: Scrambled eggs with bits of onion, maybe some red pepper, sometimes cheese, cooked in olive oil or (gasp) butter. Some salt, maybe pepper. Lunch: A big cobb salad with romaine, bell peppers, cucumber, assorted salad greens, baby spinach, chicken chunks, carrot shreds, a little shredded cabbage, broccoli... with olive oil and vinegar dressing, with a little salt, maybe some almond butter, and sometimes parmesan cheese, occasionally sweetened a bit with stevia. Supper: Chicken or fish or beef or pork, often cooked on the grill, oiled and rubbed with herbs. Usually a veggie or two - broccoli is a favorite. Zucchini, green beans, cabbage, maybe a stir fry, etc. We get these Shirataki noodles at Whole Foods, made with soy and yam fiber - 5 grams of carbohydrate in a package. They stir fry great, and they're really good in chicken soup (another staple here). Snacks: macadamia nuts, cheese, and occasionally sliced apple with cinnamon (the cinnamon prevents a rise in blood sugar). And, YES. It makes a huge difference. I cheated yesterday - icecream. Today, sweats and fatigue, ear noises, and last night, insomnia. I know better, but once in a while, well, I cave in. D. " Ann Prow " <aprow@...> wrote: > > > Now, here's a subject that we don't talk about often. > > I'd like to know - instead of what people don't eat - sugar and carbs - what > you all do eat! > > Do you all stay away from sugar and carbs? Do you see a huge difference if > you do? > > Joe and I have never stayed away from all sugars and carbs and I want ot see > if it makes a big difference.... > > Looking forward to hearing from you, > > Ann > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2007 Report Share Posted September 26, 2007 Thanks - sounds good.... Ann -- [ ] Re: Diet Heh. I *usually* avoid sugar and starches. Breakfast: Scrambled eggs with bits of onion, maybe some red pepper, sometimes cheese, cooked in olive oil or (gasp) butter. Some salt, maybe pepper. Lunch: A big cobb salad with romaine, bell peppers, cucumber, assorted salad greens, baby spinach, chicken chunks, carrot shreds, a little shredded cabbage, broccoli... with olive oil and vinegar dressing, with a little salt, maybe some almond butter, and sometimes parmesan cheese, occasionally sweetened a bit with stevia. Supper: Chicken or fish or beef or pork, often cooked on the grill, oiled and rubbed with herbs. Usually a veggie or two - broccoli is a favorite. Zucchini, green beans, cabbage, maybe a stir fry, etc. We get these Shirataki noodles at Whole Foods, made with soy and yam fiber - 5 grams of carbohydrate in a package. They stir fry great, and they're really good in chicken soup (another staple here). Snacks: macadamia nuts, cheese, and occasionally sliced apple with cinnamon (the cinnamon prevents a rise in blood sugar). And, YES. It makes a huge difference. I cheated yesterday - icecream. Today, sweats and fatigue, ear noises, and last night, insomnia. I know better, but once in a while, well, I cave in. D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2007 Report Share Posted September 26, 2007 Hello Ann and all, I don't respond to posts much, so I don't know the proper way to snip/cut posts to only include parts I am responding to. Sorry! Since June I have been on a diet to help reduce Candida. It is a diet that is pretty much the same as the diet for Lyme Disease. No sugar, yeast, alcohol, vinegar, dairy, am I missing anything? On the Candida diet I am allowed to have starches like rice and wheat. I have noticed no difference whatsoever- not even when I have occasionally cheated and had a no-no. It makes it hard to keep on the diet when I am not noticing any difference. Hope you have better luck. > > Heh. I *usually* avoid sugar and starches. > > Breakfast: Scrambled eggs with bits of onion, maybe some red pepper, > sometimes cheese, cooked in olive oil or (gasp) butter. Some salt, > maybe pepper. > > Lunch: A big cobb salad with romaine, bell peppers, cucumber, > assorted salad greens, baby spinach, chicken chunks, carrot shreds, a > little shredded cabbage, broccoli... with olive oil and vinegar > dressing, with a little salt, maybe some almond butter, and sometimes > parmesan cheese, occasionally sweetened a bit with stevia. > > Supper: Chicken or fish or beef or pork, often cooked on the grill, > oiled and rubbed with herbs. Usually a veggie or two - broccoli is a > favorite. Zucchini, green beans, cabbage, maybe a stir fry, etc. We > get these Shirataki noodles at Whole Foods, made with soy and yam > fiber - 5 grams of carbohydrate in a package. They stir fry great, > and they're really good in chicken soup (another staple here). > > Snacks: macadamia nuts, cheese, and occasionally sliced apple with > cinnamon (the cinnamon prevents a rise in blood sugar). > > And, YES. It makes a huge difference. I cheated yesterday - > icecream. Today, sweats and fatigue, ear noises, and last night, > insomnia. I know better, but once in a while, well, I cave in. > > D. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2007 Report Share Posted September 27, 2007 Ann, I'm a vegitarian and don't eat sugar and many carbs. One day, I guess because of a craving, I ate some ice cream ( I dont' really even like ice cream) within a short time my pain level spiked. What do I eat? Veggies Fruits Lots of soy products: Boca sausage, soy dogs, soy hamburgers, etc. (believe me, lots of these taste so close to the real thing and you don't have to worry about meat recalls, lol) Black Bean burgers. Lugumes, beans, etc Whole grain brown rice, pasta (Not too much) My dish will be filled with more of the veggies, cheese and beans with pasta or rice added in. The opposite of what most people do. I only drink water except for my one decaf hazelnut DD coffee. (Everyone can keep from making their 'you know whats in decaf coffee comments. LOL! I know! Thats my one thing I love to have and with everything else I eat, I ignore all the warnings. LOL) I've eaten like this most of my life. Sadly I have always been thin, and very high energy until getting Lyme. Now I'm almost 200 lbs and spend most of my time in bed or close to it. Sorry for the downer part. I always suggest to people who eat sugar and carbs is to just take the sugar away for 3 days and see how you feel. Don't worry too much about the carbs until the 4th day, then start mixing what you normally eat for pasta and rice with whole grain/whole wheat for the rest of the week...gradually switching over totally. Then start working on the other carbs...chips, cookies, crackers, etc. Just my thoughts. Some people just have to do the whole thing cold turkey and get it over with. Beware you will probably get a sugar headache and even the shakes when doing this. Thats why I always suggest the slow process. Especially since some people don't at first like the tastes of whole wheat pasta at first. I can't eat regular now. Ok, i'm rambling. I guess I have a surge of energy this morning! Thats a good thing! Jaye Ann Prow <aprow@...> wrote: Now, here's a subject that we don't talk about often. I'd like to know - instead of what people don't eat - sugar and carbs - what you all do eat! Do you all stay away from sugar and carbs? Do you see a huge difference if you do? Joe and I have never stayed away from all sugars and carbs and I want ot see if it makes a big difference.... Looking forward to hearing from you, Ann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2007 Report Share Posted September 27, 2007 Please pardon my dumbness, but what exactly is CoQ10? Is it a supplement, and can I get it w/o a prescription? Thanx Jessie MacMillan <jessiemacmillan@...> wrote: I was recently on a campaign to see if I could find a cause for my fatigue. Even when my other Lyme symptoms are under control, I'm still tried ALL the time. My LLMD ordered a blood test that showed I was sensitive to a variety of foods, notably wheat & rye (but not barley). I asked my PCP for the celiac disease blood test, which game back negative. Then I went on a gluten-free diet because the blood test is not always accurate (where have we heard that before?). BTW, my research on blood tests for food sensitivities told me that the test could mean 1) that I was sensitive to the foods, 2) that I ate a lot of the foods, or 3) something else entirely, but no one was quite sure what. I stayed on the gluten-free diet for 6 weeks, at which time I saw my LLMD, who said I should have noticed some improvement and I hadn't. He suggested I give up all grain-based foods to see if that helped. I tried it and it didn't. My latest attempt to improve my fatigue is CoQ10. I'm taking 150 mg a day and plan to go to 200 mg daily. If I don't feel better, I'll stop at 200 mg. I'm skeptical about the effect of diet on Lyme, except that a healthy diet generally makes one feel better, which can't hurt. Jessie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2007 Report Share Posted September 28, 2007 Hi Ann: Here is what I do for my diet. I am somewhat strict about this - because I have not varied from this for so long, my system is so USED to NOT eating certain things - I think I would feel sick just from the change What I did not add below is that I am supposed to make SMOOTHIES out of fruits and protein powder in the morning....AND, I am supposed to me juicing...............other than that, here is my diet: Diet: Rice bread - raw Tahiti and raw almond butter - bananas Lentil or Black bean soup (base), I par boil separately garlic cloves, onion, and red and green cabbage, beets and beet greens - this goes into the cold soup base- then I add frozen veg (carrots, cauliflower, peas, green beans, lima beans, mixed vegs.) so that they are NOT cooked, but only thawed and to that I add about 35 grams of rice protein powder. (Another 35 grams later in the day in any liquid) Salad - like raw spinach + other greens, grated carrots, broccoli stocks, pure virgin cold, cold pressed pure virgin olive oil, apple cider vinegar, and Flaxseed oil (for Omega 3, 6, & 9). Also, raw almonds with skin on - apples - oranges - B12 tabs. Coconut oil (plain) - [has excellent anti-viral/fungal/bacterial properties] - lots of water. This is about 80% of what I eat - then I have a few other choices - but NO cooked or processed foods or dairy or wheat/gluten, sugars, starches, fats (bad fats) (no sugar)- no meat. 1 to 2 glasses of red wine/day. Specifically for detoxification, I take 3 tabs. of Chlorella a day (can take 6 for optimum treatment) and two teaspoons (in a liquid) of MarleyMax a day. Glen from NJ [ ] Diet Now, here's a subject that we don't talk about often. I'd like to know - instead of what people don't eat - sugar and carbs - what you all do eat! Do you all stay away from sugar and carbs? Do you see a huge difference if you do? Joe and I have never stayed away from all sugars and carbs and I want ot see if it makes a big difference.... Looking forward to hearing from you, Ann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2007 Report Share Posted September 28, 2007 CoQ10 is a supplement. From http://altmedicine.about.com/cs/supplements/a/CoenzymeQ10.htm CoQ10 is a naturally-occuring compound found in every cell in the body. CoQ10's alternate name, ubiquinone, comes from the word ubiquitous, which means " found everywhere. " CoQ10 plays a key role in producing energy in the mitochondria, the part of a cell responsible for the production of energy in the form of ATP. Why People Use CoQ10 * Heart failure * Cardiomyopathy * Heart Attack Prevention and Recovery * High Blood Pressure * Diabetes * Gum Disease * Kidney Failure * Migraine * Counteract Prescription Drug Effects * Parkinson's disease * Weight loss Jessie > > > In a message dated 9/27/2007 8:41:24 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time, > mrskfarber@... writes: > > > > > Please pardon my dumbness, but what exactly is CoQ10? Is it a supplement, > and can I get it w/o a prescription? Thanx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2007 Report Share Posted September 28, 2007 Jaye, Interesting that you eat a lot of soy things - I cannot eat them. When I take carbs and sugar totally out of my diet, I feel sick - And I need a high amount of protein to feel well. Cannot eat a lot of wheat - especially not whole grain. I, too, was thin and high energy - now not that energetic and 200 lbs. Very sad. It's changed my life totally. I went off coke drinks once cold turkey but got over it within 5 days - sometimes that's better than going slowly - just getting it over with! Thank you for your post! Ann -- Re: [ ] Diet Ann, I'm a vegitarian and don't eat sugar and many carbs. One day, I guess because of a craving, I ate some ice cream ( I dont' really even like ice cream) within a short time my pain level spiked. What do I eat? Veggies Fruits Lots of soy products: Boca sausage, soy dogs, soy hamburgers, etc. (believe me, lots of these taste so close to the real thing and you don't have to worry about meat recalls, lol) Black Bean burgers. Lugumes, beans, etc Whole grain brown rice, pasta (Not too much) My dish will be filled with more of the veggies, cheese and beans with pasta or rice added in. The opposite of what most people do. I only drink water except for my one decaf hazelnut DD coffee. (Everyone can keep from making their 'you know whats in decaf coffee comments. LOL! I know! Thats my one thing I love to have and with everything else I eat, I ignore all the warnings. LOL) I've eaten like this most of my life. Sadly I have always been thin, and very high energy until getting Lyme. Now I'm almost 200 lbs and spend most of my time in bed or close to it. Sorry for the downer part. I always suggest to people who eat sugar and carbs is to just take the sugar away for 3 days and see how you feel. Don't worry too much about the carbs until the 4th day, then start mixing what you normally eat for pasta and rice with whole grain/whole wheat for the rest of the week...gradually switching over totally. Then start working on the other carbs...chips, cookies, crackers, etc. Just my thoughts. Some people just have to do the whole thing cold turkey and get it over with. Beware you will probably get a sugar headache and even the shakes when doing this. Thats why I always suggest the slow process. Especially since some people don't at first like the tastes of whole wheat pasta at first. I can't eat regular now. Ok, i'm rambling. I guess I have a surge of energy this morning! Thats a good thing! Jaye Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2007 Report Share Posted September 28, 2007 , Interesting you have not seen a difference. I cannot eat much wheat - one slice of bread perhaps a day, and I eat potato bread when has a little less wheat. I would think it would be difficult to stay on a diet if you don't feel a difference. Ann -- [ ] Re: Diet Hello Ann and all, I don't respond to posts much, so I don't know the proper way to snip/cut posts to only include parts I am responding to. Sorry! Since June I have been on a diet to help reduce Candida. It is a diet that is pretty much the same as the diet for Lyme Disease. No sugar, yeast, alcohol, vinegar, dairy, am I missing anything? On the Candida diet I am allowed to have starches like rice and wheat. I have noticed no difference whatsoever- not even when I have occasionally cheated and had a no-no. It makes it hard to keep on the diet when I am not noticing any difference. Hope you have better luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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