Guest guest Posted June 16, 2012 Report Share Posted June 16, 2012 Excellent Hello all, Here is my update on Neurofeedback (NFB): I've been going once a week since the end of January. As I previously reported I continue to have a significant improvement with sleep and any anxiety that goes along with Miso, which helps with trigger responses greatly. My essential tremor in my left hand is almost entirely gone, only shaking left is in my thumb and it's pretty minor and imagine it'll eventually go away. My patience level is outstanding and I hardly if ever get truly angry even over Miso. I only get angry when someone does something really mean and so far it's not been miso related. As reported by Clye for us adults it takes numerous, at least 20 sessions if not more, for NFB to begin to reach the triggers. Kids respond faster because their brains are still developing and their wiring is significantly less entrenched than us aged folks. I'm at 21 sessions now and have noticed a huge improvement on crunching/eating triggers. For the most part people's eating no longer triggers me, I still am sometimes bothered by gum cracking, however. This is HUGE for me! As some of you remember it's what I talked about on the Today show as it has been my number one trigger since I was about 8 years old. I have stood next to a lady eating an apple and then popping gum in her mouth with no problem. While I was laying out at the pool, immediately next to me a man ate an entire tin of Pringles while speaking Mandarin on his cell phone. Normally I would have flipped out over both the Pringles and the Mandarin on the cell phone and moved seats. Instead, I giggled at the fact that it didn't affect me at all. Like I said, this is huge for me. I'm still not improved enough with the walking on stairs and above me where I work and live. Though the sound doesn't resonate in my chest like it used to, which is an improvement, I still get pretty bothered by it and have to mask it immediately. I will continue NFB untill that and the gum cracking are gone as triggers. As you may recall Clye did, I believe, 100 sessions and his son, I think, 80 and they both consider themselves cured. So I know I still have a ways to go and am very optimistic. , our teen on 20/20, started NFB when I did and she is reporting great improvement as well. vBernadette maybe you can tell everyone more? I can say that the fact that says there's an improvement is also HUGE, very telling and exciting, as she has always thought NFB is a waste of her time and would never help Miso. But it is helping! It is expensive. Mine is $160 a session. However many insurance covers it if you can find a psychologist who bills under the correct code to the insurance companies. Here in San Diego there's only one provider who does NFB and accepts HMOs and knows how to bill to get the service covered (she doesn't tell them she's doing NFB but rather therapy) but I don't like the way she does NFB so quite unfortunately I pay out of pocket. So far it has been worth every penny! I'll report again when the next something significant happens. Optimistically and significantly improved yours, Heidi Gorgeous, youthful skin is waiting for you. Real science. Real results. www.heidisalerno.nerium.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2012 Report Share Posted June 16, 2012 Hi Heidi, Thanks for the update. Your results sound really encouraging. How long do your sessions take? I've looked around for providers in my area, and the one with the most informative website has only 30 minute sessions. Someone else here mentioned his sessions being 90 minutes. Since the time spent seems to be important, I'm concerned this might mean 3 times as many session would be needed for the same effect. This is the place: http://learnwiseaustralia.com/index.html Do their setup and goals sound anything like the place you are going to? Thanks, Liesa > > Hello all, > Here is my update on Neurofeedback (NFB): Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2012 Report Share Posted June 16, 2012 Thank you for the updates. Glad to hear you feel that you are doing better and that you are trying to also pull the fibers apart on the fabric of your life so that we can see what is helping, what is stuck, what is unchanged, and what is different. The proof of the pudding as well, is going to be the PERSISTENCE of the effects. This will be the place where you are maybe 2-3 years from now. That will be good use of our space here, to follow along and see what happens. Too bad the fees are not covered. I was trying to figure this in my head over the numbers, 10 treatments = $1600, 100 = $16,000. That sadly puts it far out of the reach of most people in the world... How long are the sessions in any case? For $160, how long do you undergo the NFB? MJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2012 Report Share Posted June 16, 2012 Great info! I just got in the group and you must be the same person I was speaking with on the Misophonia forums Can't wait to possibly find someone in Texas in my area who can do NFB and also code it correctly for insurance...but doesn't seem likely. Paying is out of the question > > Hello all, > Here is my update on Neurofeedback (NFB): > > I've been going once a week since the end of January. As I previously reported I continue to have a significant improvement with sleep and any anxiety that goes along with Miso, which helps with trigger responses greatly. My essential tremor in my left hand is almost entirely gone, only shaking left is in my thumb and it's pretty minor and imagine it'll eventually go away. My patience level is outstanding and I hardly if ever get truly angry even over Miso. I only get angry when someone does something really mean and so far it's not been miso related. > > As reported by Clye for us adults it takes numerous, at least 20 sessions if not more, for NFB to begin to reach the triggers. Kids respond faster because their brains are still developing and their wiring is significantly less entrenched than us aged folks. I'm at 21 sessions now and have noticed a huge improvement on crunching/eating triggers. For the most part people's eating no longer triggers me, I still am sometimes bothered by gum cracking, however. This is HUGE for me! As some of you remember it's what I talked about on the Today show as it has been my number one trigger since I was about 8 years old. I have stood next to a lady eating an apple and then popping gum in her mouth with no problem. While I was laying out at the pool, immediately next to me a man ate an entire tin of Pringles while speaking Mandarin on his cell phone. Normally I would have flipped out over both the Pringles and the Mandarin on the cell phone and moved seats. Instead, I giggled at the fact that it didn't affect me at all. Like I said, this is huge for me. > > I'm still not improved enough with the walking on stairs and above me where I work and live. Though the sound doesn't resonate in my chest like it used to, which is an improvement, I still get pretty bothered by it and have to mask it immediately. I will continue NFB untill that and the gum cracking are gone as triggers. > > As you may recall Clye did, I believe, 100 sessions and his son, I think, 80 and they both consider themselves cured. So I know I still have a ways to go and am very optimistic. , our teen on 20/20, started NFB when I did and she is reporting great improvement as well. vBernadette maybe you can tell everyone more? I can say that the fact that says there's an improvement is also HUGE, very telling and exciting, as she has always thought NFB is a waste of her time and would never help Miso. But it is helping! > > It is expensive. Mine is $160 a session. However many insurance covers it if you can find a psychologist who bills under the correct code to the insurance companies. Here in San Diego there's only one provider who does NFB and accepts HMOs and knows how to bill to get the service covered (she doesn't tell them she's doing NFB but rather therapy) but I don't like the way she does NFB so quite unfortunately I pay out of pocket. So far it has been worth every penny! > > I'll report again when the next something significant happens. > > Optimistically and significantly improved yours, > Heidi > > Gorgeous, youthful skin is waiting for you. > Real science. Real results. > www.heidisalerno.nerium.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2012 Report Share Posted June 17, 2012 Yup thats me :-)You never know. Keep positive. You might find someone. If anyone else here who is doing NFB and it's going well please consider posting about it on the public website. Thanks!HeidiSent from my iPhoneReal Results. Real science. Age-Defying Skin. www.heidisalerno.nerium.comHappy Dancing!www.jitterbal.comOn Jun 16, 2012, at 8:56 PM, "NewYears1978" wrote: Great info! I just got in the group and you must be the same person I was speaking with on the Misophonia forums Can't wait to possibly find someone in Texas in my area who can do NFB and also code it correctly for insurance...but doesn't seem likely. Paying is out of the question Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2012 Report Share Posted June 17, 2012 NFB is often covered by insurance, it's just finding the provider who can do that in your area. My sessions are 45-50 minutes. And she's use a host of different software depending on how the last session went. She just happens to have a lot of different options. Most providers have only invested in one.Looks like the place you were looking at has home trainers. That could be good. The idea is that you go to so many sessions and get started and then you basically rent their equipment and take it home and do it yourself. That seems like a good option for people with limited funds. The only reason I have some disposable income sadly is because I got into a wicked car accident in dec '10 and I sued the guy who hit me and his carrier paid me his limits (which were low,but enough to pay for this). Unfortunately I have 2 bulging discs but I can try this out and see how it goes and report back. Please don't go getting into a car accident anyone to make money. LOL. Seriously though, it's not worth it. I would have much rather taken out a loan. HeidiSent from my iPhoneReal Results. Real science. Age-Defying Skin. www.heidisalerno.nerium.comHappy Dancing!www.jitterbal.comOn Jun 16, 2012, at 8:25 PM, "nightshade_2710" wrote: Hi Heidi, Thanks for the update. Your results sound really encouraging. How long do your sessions take? I've looked around for providers in my area, and the one with the most informative website has only 30 minute sessions. Someone else here mentioned his sessions being 90 minutes. Since the time spent seems to be important, I'm concerned this might mean 3 times as many session would be needed for the same effect. This is the place: http://learnwiseaustralia.com/index.html Do their setup and goals sound anything like the place you are going to? Thanks, Liesa > > Hello all, > Here is my update on Neurofeedback (NFB): Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2012 Report Share Posted June 17, 2012 My son has been doing NFB since January (2-3 times/week, half hour session at $75 each). He claims his pencil writing triggers (the worst) is gone, and at a restaurant he said his sisters could use the crayons as long as they were Crayola and not the cheap ones(they're squeakier). However, later I saw him using them himself, which he never would have done. I won't know for sure about his results until we start school again in the fall and see if those sounds bother him. I'm holding my breath. Ginger Re: Re: My NFB Update NFB is often covered by insurance, it's just finding the provider who can do that in your area. My sessions are 45-50 minutes. And she's use a host of different software depending on how the last session went. She just happens to have a lot of different options. Most providers have only invested in one. Looks like the place you were looking at has home trainers. That could be good. The idea is that you go to so many sessions and get started and then you basically rent their equipment and take it home and do it yourself. That seems like a good option for people with limited funds. The only reason I have some disposable income sadly is because I got into a wicked car accident in dec '10 and I sued the guy who hit me and his carrier paid me his limits (which were low,but enough to pay for this). Unfortunately I have 2 bulging discs but I can try this out and see how it goes and report back. Please don't go getting into a car accident anyone to make money. LOL. Seriously though, it's not worth it. I would have much rather taken out a loan. Heidi Sent from my iPhone Real Results. Real science. Age-Defying Skin. www.heidisalerno.nerium.com Happy Dancing! www.jitterbal.com Hi Heidi, Thanks for the update. Your results sound really encouraging. How long do your sessions take? I've looked around for providers in my area, and the one with the most informative website has only 30 minute sessions. Someone else here mentioned his sessions being 90 minutes. Since the time spent seems to be important, I'm concerned this might mean 3 times as many session would be needed for the same effect. This is the place: http://learnwiseaustralia.com/index.html Do their setup and goals sound anything like the place you are going to? Thanks, Liesa > > Hello all, > Here is my update on Neurofeedback (NFB): Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2012 Report Share Posted June 17, 2012 , I'm in Texas, too. I found a few practitioners in the Dallas area. Try this website (click on " Find a Provider " tab). http://www.eeginfo.com/ Good luck. Colleen > > > > Hello all, > > Here is my update on Neurofeedback (NFB): > > > > I've been going once a week since the end of January. As I previously reported I continue to have a significant improvement with sleep and any anxiety that goes along with Miso, which helps with trigger responses greatly. My essential tremor in my left hand is almost entirely gone, only shaking left is in my thumb and it's pretty minor and imagine it'll eventually go away. My patience level is outstanding and I hardly if ever get truly angry even over Miso. I only get angry when someone does something really mean and so far it's not been miso related. > > > > As reported by Clye for us adults it takes numerous, at least 20 sessions if not more, for NFB to begin to reach the triggers. Kids respond faster because their brains are still developing and their wiring is significantly less entrenched than us aged folks. I'm at 21 sessions now and have noticed a huge improvement on crunching/eating triggers. For the most part people's eating no longer triggers me, I still am sometimes bothered by gum cracking, however. This is HUGE for me! As some of you remember it's what I talked about on the Today show as it has been my number one trigger since I was about 8 years old. I have stood next to a lady eating an apple and then popping gum in her mouth with no problem. While I was laying out at the pool, immediately next to me a man ate an entire tin of Pringles while speaking Mandarin on his cell phone. Normally I would have flipped out over both the Pringles and the Mandarin on the cell phone and moved seats. Instead, I giggled at the fact that it didn't affect me at all. Like I said, this is huge for me. > > > > I'm still not improved enough with the walking on stairs and above me where I work and live. Though the sound doesn't resonate in my chest like it used to, which is an improvement, I still get pretty bothered by it and have to mask it immediately. I will continue NFB untill that and the gum cracking are gone as triggers. > > > > As you may recall Clye did, I believe, 100 sessions and his son, I think, 80 and they both consider themselves cured. So I know I still have a ways to go and am very optimistic. , our teen on 20/20, started NFB when I did and she is reporting great improvement as well. vBernadette maybe you can tell everyone more? I can say that the fact that says there's an improvement is also HUGE, very telling and exciting, as she has always thought NFB is a waste of her time and would never help Miso. But it is helping! > > > > It is expensive. Mine is $160 a session. However many insurance covers it if you can find a psychologist who bills under the correct code to the insurance companies. Here in San Diego there's only one provider who does NFB and accepts HMOs and knows how to bill to get the service covered (she doesn't tell them she's doing NFB but rather therapy) but I don't like the way she does NFB so quite unfortunately I pay out of pocket. So far it has been worth every penny! > > > > I'll report again when the next something significant happens. > > > > Optimistically and significantly improved yours, > > Heidi > > > > Gorgeous, youthful skin is waiting for you. > > Real science. Real results. > > www.heidisalerno.nerium.com > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2012 Report Share Posted June 17, 2012 Did you find one who does the NFB and codes it for insurance? I think that's the list I was using before but haven't gotten to call around yet. I will this week!Sent from my iPhone , I'm in Texas, too. I found a few practitioners in the Dallas area. Try this website (click on "Find a Provider" tab). http://www.eeginfo.com/ Good luck. Colleen > > > > Hello all, > > Here is my update on Neurofeedback (NFB): > > > > I've been going once a week since the end of January. As I previously reported I continue to have a significant improvement with sleep and any anxiety that goes along with Miso, which helps with trigger responses greatly. My essential tremor in my left hand is almost entirely gone, only shaking left is in my thumb and it's pretty minor and imagine it'll eventually go away. My patience level is outstanding and I hardly if ever get truly angry even over Miso. I only get angry when someone does something really mean and so far it's not been miso related. > > > > As reported by Clye for us adults it takes numerous, at least 20 sessions if not more, for NFB to begin to reach the triggers. Kids respond faster because their brains are still developing and their wiring is significantly less entrenched than us aged folks. I'm at 21 sessions now and have noticed a huge improvement on crunching/eating triggers. For the most part people's eating no longer triggers me, I still am sometimes bothered by gum cracking, however. This is HUGE for me! As some of you remember it's what I talked about on the Today show as it has been my number one trigger since I was about 8 years old. I have stood next to a lady eating an apple and then popping gum in her mouth with no problem. While I was laying out at the pool, immediately next to me a man ate an entire tin of Pringles while speaking Mandarin on his cell phone. Normally I would have flipped out over both the Pringles and the Mandarin on the cell phone and moved seats. Instead, I giggled at the fact that it didn't affect me at all. Like I said, this is huge for me. > > > > I'm still not improved enough with the walking on stairs and above me where I work and live. Though the sound doesn't resonate in my chest like it used to, which is an improvement, I still get pretty bothered by it and have to mask it immediately. I will continue NFB untill that and the gum cracking are gone as triggers. > > > > As you may recall Clye did, I believe, 100 sessions and his son, I think, 80 and they both consider themselves cured. So I know I still have a ways to go and am very optimistic. , our teen on 20/20, started NFB when I did and she is reporting great improvement as well. vBernadette maybe you can tell everyone more? I can say that the fact that says there's an improvement is also HUGE, very telling and exciting, as she has always thought NFB is a waste of her time and would never help Miso. But it is helping! > > > > It is expensive. Mine is $160 a session. However many insurance covers it if you can find a psychologist who bills under the correct code to the insurance companies. Here in San Diego there's only one provider who does NFB and accepts HMOs and knows how to bill to get the service covered (she doesn't tell them she's doing NFB but rather therapy) but I don't like the way she does NFB so quite unfortunately I pay out of pocket. So far it has been worth every penny! > > > > I'll report again when the next something significant happens. > > > > Optimistically and significantly improved yours, > > Heidi > > > > Gorgeous, youthful skin is waiting for you. > > Real science. Real results. > > www.heidisalerno.nerium.com > > > = Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 17, 2012 Report Share Posted June 17, 2012 Interesting comment about using home trainers. Does it get to a point where the practioner doesn't need to make changes to the protocol on every visit, so you could get extra training time in at home and then go back less frequently for adjustments? If it really takes 80-100 sessions, that would certainly help with the cost. But since Clyle's practitioner was working out what to do from scratch, hopefully it will take fewer sessions as they collectively gain more experience. Liesa > > NFB is often covered by insurance, it's just finding the provider who can do that in your area. > > My sessions are 45-50 minutes. And she's use a host of different software depending on how the last session went. She just happens to have a lot of different options. Most providers have only invested in one. > > Looks like the place you were looking at has home trainers. That could be good. The idea is that you go to so many sessions and get started and then you basically rent their equipment and take it home and do it yourself. That seems like a good option for people with limited funds. > ..... <snip> > > Heidi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2012 Report Share Posted June 18, 2012 Heidi was the person who mentioned the insurance coding. I'd love to find someone who takes insurance. I haven't checked out the providers on my list yet. Will get to it in the next few days. Good luck with your search. Colleen > > > > > > > > Hello all, > > > > Here is my update on Neurofeedback (NFB): > > > > > > > > I've been going once a week since the end of January. As I previously reported I continue to have a significant improvement with sleep and any anxiety that goes along with Miso, which helps with trigger responses greatly. My essential tremor in my left hand is almost entirely gone, only shaking left is in my thumb and it's pretty minor and imagine it'll eventually go away. My patience level is outstanding and I hardly if ever get truly angry even over Miso. I only get angry when someone does something really mean and so far it's not been miso related. > > > > > > > > As reported by Clye for us adults it takes numerous, at least 20 sessions if not more, for NFB to begin to reach the triggers. Kids respond faster because their brains are still developing and their wiring is significantly less entrenched than us aged folks. I'm at 21 sessions now and have noticed a huge improvement on crunching/eating triggers. For the most part people's eating no longer triggers me, I still am sometimes bothered by gum cracking, however. This is HUGE for me! As some of you remember it's what I talked about on the Today show as it has been my number one trigger since I was about 8 years old. I have stood next to a lady eating an apple and then popping gum in her mouth with no problem. While I was laying out at the pool, immediately next to me a man ate an entire tin of Pringles while speaking Mandarin on his cell phone. Normally I would have flipped out over both the Pringles and the Mandarin on the cell phone and moved seats. Instead, I giggled at the fact that it didn't affect me at all. Like I said, this is huge for me. > > > > > > > > I'm still not improved enough with the walking on stairs and above me where I work and live. Though the sound doesn't resonate in my chest like it used to, which is an improvement, I still get pretty bothered by it and have to mask it immediately. I will continue NFB untill that and the gum cracking are gone as triggers. > > > > > > > > As you may recall Clye did, I believe, 100 sessions and his son, I think, 80 and they both consider themselves cured. So I know I still have a ways to go and am very optimistic. , our teen on 20/20, started NFB when I did and she is reporting great improvement as well. vBernadette maybe you can tell everyone more? I can say that the fact that says there's an improvement is also HUGE, very telling and exciting, as she has always thought NFB is a waste of her time and would never help Miso. But it is helping! > > > > > > > > It is expensive. Mine is $160 a session. However many insurance covers it if you can find a psychologist who bills under the correct code to the insurance companies. Here in San Diego there's only one provider who does NFB and accepts HMOs and knows how to bill to get the service covered (she doesn't tell them she's doing NFB but rather therapy) but I don't like the way she does NFB so quite unfortunately I pay out of pocket. So far it has been worth every penny! > > > > > > > > I'll report again when the next something significant happens. > > > > > > > > Optimistically and significantly improved yours, > > > > Heidi > > > > > > > > Gorgeous, youthful skin is waiting for you. > > > > Real science. Real results. > > > > www.heidisalerno.nerium.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2012 Report Share Posted June 18, 2012 Hi AllI just had my 22nd NFB treatment and it's going well- much better sleep and mood, and less irritability when I'm triggered by sounds or visuals- though I still have a negative reaction. My practitioner is wanting to try tinnitus training using NFB. They said tinnitus and misophonia may be similar because they're both perceptions of sound as opposed to real sound- meaning there is a defect in the auditory cortex. Does anyone here have any experience with this kind of treatment? Thanks:) Audrey To: "Soundsensitivity " <Soundsensitivity > Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2012 5:21 AM Subject: Re: Re: My NFB Update NFB is often covered by insurance, it's just finding the provider who can do that in your area. My sessions are 45-50 minutes. And she's use a host of different software depending on how the last session went. She just happens to have a lot of different options. Most providers have only invested in one.Looks like the place you were looking at has home trainers. That could be good. The idea is that you go to so many sessions and get started and then you basically rent their equipment and take it home and do it yourself. That seems like a good option for people with limited funds. The only reason I have some disposable income sadly is because I got into a wicked car accident in dec '10 and I sued the guy who hit me and his carrier paid me his limits (which were low,but enough to pay for this). Unfortunately I have 2 bulging discs but I can try this out and see how it goes and report back. Please don't go getting into a car accident anyone to make money. LOL. Seriously though, it's not worth it. I would have much rather taken out a loan. HeidiSent from my iPhoneReal Results. Real science. Age-Defying Skin. http://www.heidisalerno.nerium.com/Happy Dancing!http://www.jitterbal.com/On Jun 16, 2012, at 8:25 PM, "nightshade_2710" wrote: Hi Heidi, Thanks for the update. Your results sound really encouraging. How long do your sessions take? I've looked around for providers in my area, and the one with the most informative website has only 30 minute sessions. Someone else here mentioned his sessions being 90 minutes. Since the time spent seems to be important, I'm concerned this might mean 3 times as many session would be needed for the same effect. This is the place: http://learnwiseaustralia.com/index.html Do their setup and goals sound anything like the place you are going to? Thanks, Liesa > > Hello all, > Here is my update on Neurofeedback (NFB): Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2012 Report Share Posted June 18, 2012 Very interesting. I dunno about tinnitus (sure I spelled that wrong) as I had never heard of it before.I have heard from various people that NFB is working, but it takes about 20 treatments before you start to show any improvement..then when you get to the 80-100 range you really see the full benefits.I hope to find a practitioner who will cover it with my insurance soon..have been looking into it.Good luck, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2012 Report Share Posted June 20, 2012 My practioner asked what kind of NFB you are doing? Sent from my iPhoneReal Results. Real science. Age-Defying Skin. www.heidisalerno.nerium.comHappy Dancing!www.jitterbal.comOn Jun 18, 2012, at 5:10 PM, audrey rossow wrote: Hi AllI just had my 22nd NFB treatment and it's going well- much better sleep and mood, and less irritability when I'm triggered by sounds or visuals- though I still have a negative reaction. My practitioner is wanting to try tinnitus training using NFB. They said tinnitus and misophonia may be similar because they're both perceptions of sound as opposed to real sound- meaning there is a defect in the auditory cortex. Does anyone here have any experience with this kind of treatment? Thanks:) Audrey To: "Soundsensitivity " <Soundsensitivity > Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2012 5:21 AM Subject: Re: Re: My NFB Update NFB is often covered by insurance, it's just finding the provider who can do that in your area. My sessions are 45-50 minutes. And she's use a host of different software depending on how the last session went. She just happens to have a lot of different options. Most providers have only invested in one.Looks like the place you were looking at has home trainers. That could be good. The idea is that you go to so many sessions and get started and then you basically rent their equipment and take it home and do it yourself. That seems like a good option for people with limited funds. The only reason I have some disposable income sadly is because I got into a wicked car accident in dec '10 and I sued the guy who hit me and his carrier paid me his limits (which were low,but enough to pay for this). Unfortunately I have 2 bulging discs but I can try this out and see how it goes and report back. Please don't go getting into a car accident anyone to make money. LOL. Seriously though, it's not worth it. I would have much rather taken out a loan. HeidiSent from my iPhoneReal Results. Real science. Age-Defying Skin. http://www.heidisalerno.nerium.com/Happy Dancing!http://www.jitterbal.com/On Jun 16, 2012, at 8:25 PM, "nightshade_2710" wrote: Hi Heidi, Thanks for the update. Your results sound really encouraging. How long do your sessions take? I've looked around for providers in my area, and the one with the most informative website has only 30 minute sessions. Someone else here mentioned his sessions being 90 minutes. Since the time spent seems to be important, I'm concerned this might mean 3 times as many session would be needed for the same effect. This is the place: http://learnwiseaustralia.com/index.html Do their setup and goals sound anything like the place you are going to? Thanks, Liesa > > Hello all, > Here is my update on Neurofeedback (NFB): Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2012 Report Share Posted June 20, 2012 Heidi,What type do you do? You're the only one I know who does it and also found someone who codes it under insurance (though if I recall you said you don't use that person because you don't like their methods)What method should I look for? I have no knowledge of "styles" or "methods" of NFB so I wouldn't know what to ask my doctor when I talk to him.Any advise? Hi Heidi, Thanks for the update. Your results sound really encouraging. How long do your sessions take? I've looked around for providers in my area, and the one with the most informative website has only 30 minute sessions. Someone else here mentioned his sessions being 90 minutes. Since the time spent seems to be important, I'm concerned this might mean 3 times as many session would be needed for the same effect. This is the place: http://learnwiseaustralia.com/index.html Do their setup and goals sound anything like the place you are going to? Thanks, Liesa > > Hello all, > Here is my update on Neurofeedback (NFB): Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2012 Report Share Posted June 20, 2012 It's ringing in the ears, many of us have it. I find if I totally go slack jaw I can eliminate mine. My NFB provider told me that trick. And yes she thinks for NFB purposes there may be similarities in the NFB protocol for treating both. Very interesting. I dunno about tinnitus (sure I spelled that wrong) as I had never heard of it before.I have heard from various people that NFB is working, but it takes about 20 treatments before you start to show any improvement..then when you get to the 80-100 range you really see the full benefits.I hope to find a practitioner who will cover it with my insurance soon..have been looking into it.Good luck, Gorgeous, youthful skin is waiting for you. Real science. Real results.www.heidisalerno.nerium.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2012 Report Share Posted June 20, 2012 Dr. Jayne Moynihan, PhDLicensed Psychologist/Board Certified in BiofeedbackBETTER BRAINS Neurofeedback/Psych-Ed TestingWWW.BBNT.INFOJayne is my provider. Feel free to ask what ever provider you ultimately get to contact her so they can talk. She's in contact with 4 other providers who are doingNFB on other miso folks.She does LENS to map the brain at the very beginning (others use QEEG but that's more expensive and has to be sent out for analysis) she then started out using Zengar, then switch to the more traditional Cynet. I do know that sometimes she uses LENS at the beginning of the session to sort of jackhammer things, break it up and then does the NFB on Cynet but she does not use LENS as the sole treatment nor does she think that would be best for sensitive brains. I know Cycle's used QEEG and then sometimes used LOREETA every 3rd time, not sure the name of the main NFB was but I remember my Dr. said it was an older model and hers are the newer ones, she also does not have LORRETA but is happy to refers me to someone who does use it if I ever want to try it.The thing is everyone is different and we do not have enough people to know what is best. But it seems to me that finding someone that is educated and part of the NFB community is key. I've been in contact with Dr. Steve Rothman in Seattle, Washington who has 3 miso patients and he feels the same way my Dr. does about the Brain State Tech., he told me it wasn't worth it. He's also very keen on home trainers once you get getting to do in between sessions.When I asked my Dr. about the tinnitus this is what she told me: "Where they [tinnitus and miso] are similar is that they both seem to respond to the 11 Hz training best. The best reduction you’ve had so far has been with the 11 Hz bilateral placements."Given that, she is considering getting me a home trainer to use in between session at the 11 Hz training. I hope that helps,Heidi Heidi,What type do you do? You're the only one I know who does it and also found someone who codes it under insurance (though if I recall you said you don't use that person because you don't like their methods)What method should I look for? I have no knowledge of "styles" or "methods" of NFB so I wouldn't know what to ask my doctor when I talk to him.Any advise? Hi Heidi, Thanks for the update. Your results sound really encouraging. How long do your sessions take? I've looked around for providers in my area, and the one with the most informative website has only 30 minute sessions. Someone else here mentioned his sessions being 90 minutes. Since the time spent seems to be important, I'm concerned this might mean 3 times as many session would be needed for the same effect. This is the place: http://learnwiseaustralia.com/index.html Do their setup and goals sound anything like the place you are going to? Thanks, Liesa > > Hello all, > Here is my update on Neurofeedback (NFB): Gorgeous, youthful skin is waiting for you. Real science. Real results.www.heidisalerno.nerium.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2012 Report Share Posted June 20, 2012 Great info, I will save and print this out to share with my doctor next week (just the first step, my regular doctor, and to see what he might know and if he can recommend BCN's)Thanks! Hi Heidi, Thanks for the update. Your results sound really encouraging. How long do your sessions take? I've looked around for providers in my area, and the one with the most informative website has only 30 minute sessions. Someone else here mentioned his sessions being 90 minutes. Since the time spent seems to be important, I'm concerned this might mean 3 times as many session would be needed for the same effect. This is the place: http://learnwiseaustralia.com/index.html Do their setup and goals sound anything like the place you are going to? Thanks, Liesa > > Hello all, > Here is my update on Neurofeedback (NFB): Gorgeous, youthful skin is waiting for you. Real science. Real results.www.heidisalerno.nerium.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2012 Report Share Posted June 20, 2012 some in the medical field are very opposed to NFB, they consider it "experimental" Just letting ya know. Then some think it's great!good luckHeidi Great info, I will save and print this out to share with my doctor next week (just the first step, my regular doctor, and to see what he might know and if he can recommend BCN's)Thanks! Hi Heidi, Thanks for the update. Your results sound really encouraging. How long do your sessions take? I've looked around for providers in my area, and the one with the most informative website has only 30 minute sessions. Someone else here mentioned his sessions being 90 minutes. Since the time spent seems to be important, I'm concerned this might mean 3 times as many session would be needed for the same effect. This is the place: http://learnwiseaustralia.com/index.html Do their setup and goals sound anything like the place you are going to? Thanks, Liesa > > Hello all, > Here is my update on Neurofeedback (NFB): Gorgeous, youthful skin is waiting for you. Real science. Real results.www.heidisalerno.nerium.com Gorgeous, youthful skin is waiting for you. Real science. Real results.www.heidisalerno.nerium.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 21, 2012 Report Share Posted June 21, 2012 Thanks for all the information Heidi,Do you or anyone else know if the 11 Hz training has anything to do with alpha brain waves? When I asked my Dr. about the tinnitus this is what she told me: "Where they [tinnitus and miso] are similar is that they both seem to respond to the 11 Hz training best. The best reduction you’ve had so far has been with the 11 Hz bilateral placements."Given that, she is considering getting me a home trainer to use in between session at the 11 Hz training. I hope that helps,Heidi PLEASE BE AWARE THIS IS A STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL GROUP AND NO MESSAGES ARE TO BE USED FOR ANY PURPOSE OUTSIDE OF THE YAHOO GROUP MEMBERSHIP SITE OR REPRODUCED OR COPIED AND MAILED FOR ANY PURPOSE. ALSO DO NOT SHARE MEMBER EMAIL ADDRESSES OR NAMES WITH ANYONE. Thank you. MJ e . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 22, 2012 Report Share Posted June 22, 2012 Thanks for the info about 11Hz- I will ask if that's what my practitioner is doing. She just called it Tinnitus training. Audrey To: "Soundsensitivity " <Soundsensitivity > Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 2:30 PM Subject: Re: Re: My NFB Update Thanks for all the information Heidi,Do you or anyone else know if the 11 Hz training has anything to do with alpha brain waves? When I asked my Dr. about the tinnitus this is what she told me: "Where they [tinnitus and miso] are similar is that they both seem to respond to the 11 Hz training best. The best reduction you’ve had so far has been with the 11 Hz bilateral placements."Given that, she is considering getting me a home trainer to use in between session at the 11 Hz training. I hope that helps,Heidi PLEASE BE AWARE THIS IS A STRICTLY CONFIDENTIAL GROUP AND NO MESSAGES ARE TO BE USED FOR ANY PURPOSE OUTSIDE OF THE YAHOO GROUP MEMBERSHIP SITE OR REPRODUCED OR COPIED AND MAILED FOR ANY PURPOSE. ALSO DO NOT SHARE MEMBER EMAIL ADDRESSES OR NAMES WITH ANYONE. Thank you. MJ e . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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