Re: New Lymie needs advice on rife machine

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Strangly enough, ,my hubby would not even comment on the possibility of the test being a legitimate tool of diagnosis. Like you, I thought they had no reason to be biased, and they said it had 99% viability. For me, that and an abnormal spect scan is enough to convince me he has it. Do you think I should do the ABX at all? I really don't like the idea of the relapse that is inevitable. I will talk to his doctor about it when we return. Dietrich Klinghart in Seattle has his protocol on his web site. Bettina To: "Lyme_and_Rife " <Lyme_and_Rife > Sent: Monday, January 2, 2012 9:56 AM Subject: Re: New Lymie needs advice on rife machine

Bettina,

The fact that the test summary suggested an active infection tells me that the lab's conclusion is that he has a Lyme infection.

They test the blood, use the metrics of the test (the numbers), then make a conclusion or summary.

The lab is going to be the most objective information. The interpretation is where the subjectivity comes in. I think that your husband is concerned that LLMD's are subjective.

But the LLMD's have seen hundreds of people who have Lyme and have a huge range of test results. They see people like my wife, who have extremely positive results, and others who have negative results, but have a few "markers" that are not large enough to turn the test positive, but tell a doctor that is familiar with the tests a lot. He puts this "marker" with the symptoms he sees, and makes a conclusion based on the whole patient.

I am not giving medical advice, but I will give you my practical opinion:

Since you have the Ultimate Digital Rife Machine, I would use it. As Jim mentioned, later, you may have to move to a stronger machine to completely get rid of the infection. I would just start at a low time to try and avoid a strong herx reaction. Maybe 15-30 seconds; wait at least 3-4 days before you conclude whether or not he has a herx. Everybody's different, but some people have neurological herxes that don't begin immediately. There could actually be a slight "calm before the storm". If there is no discernable herx, then increase the treatment time to 1-2 minutes. I think it is worth taking a couple of extra weeks building up, rather than going through the hell of a bad neurological herx.

As far as the antibiotics are concerned, they will probably not get rid of the entire infection, since they force the bacteria into cysts. So sometime in the future, he will probably have to be off the antibiotics for a period of time, while he continues with a Rife machine, until all have come out of the cysts and been killed. You should talk to whichever doctor you decide to go to and tell him about using the Rife machine. He may say that the machine is enough for now.

Personally, my opinion is to keep it as simple as possible: 1) Kill bacteria with as few methods as possible. That way you know what is affecting him.

2) Detox. I think think the simpler the better. As a 16 year old, I would think your son would rather take one thing rather than a dozen.

I'm not sure I remember who Dr. DK is. Does he have a different protocol?

To: "Lyme_and_Rife " <Lyme_and_Rife > Sent: Sunday, January 1, 2012 10:38 PMSubject: Re: New Lymie needs advice on rife machine

We did not do the . We did the test for cytokines, t cell and Western Blot for Lyme. There were bands on the Western blot , specifically the p100 kept showing up. There was a lot of inflammation indicated. The test summary suggested an active infection even though the WB was negative. Thanks for sharing. The docs are so scary. Do you suggest we skip the abc and do rife and protocols? I just think Dr. DK might be right. For some reason I keep thinking I should take my son to him. I know Dr. J in DC knows his stuff. I am just not convinced the abx is the solution. I wish you all of you total healing. Bettina

Bettina,

I don't think I can offer any better advise than Jim and the others have provided, but I just wanted to let you know about our experience, so you know you're not alone.

My wife was having a lot of neurological problems, pain, aggression, ADD, etc. At one point, she could not complete a sentence, because by the time she got from the subject to the verb, she could not remember what the object was;

She received numerous diagnoses from MD's, but the 3 neuorologists she saw had 3 of the most interesting ones.

The first asked why she was in a wheelchair. When told that she could not stand because of the pain, that she could not straighten her neck and back, and great fatigue, and after a few little neuorlogical tests, she was told there was "nothing wrong with her", and she was "healthy enough to run a marathon."

The second asked her to stand and raise her arms. Since her pain had become so intense, for so long, she could not force her left arm away from her side. He even tried to force it up, and couldn't do it (Intense pain!). His diagnosis was "frozen shoulder"; nothing neorological.

The third decided that all this was from something that had happened in her past, or possibly that I was abusing her, and diagnosed her with "comversion disorder" or "conversion reaction". He wanted to give her Sodium Amitol" (truth serum) and find out what I was doing to her. Fortunately, she's a tough chick, and did not let them do that to her.

Later the next year, we found Dr. C in MO, who easily diagnosed her, even before her tests came back. The abx and especially the IV abx saved her life. Later, the abx stopped helping, so we had to move on to other things. That's why I'm here. The rife type technology has helped her quite a bit.

By the way, did your son get a Western Blot test? The ELISA test is really worthless - lots of false negatives. There are a few other tests out there, including the Bowen test that might help convince your husband (and sometimes insurance companies). But the bottom line is that Lyme is diagnosed "clinically" (by symptoms) with only support from lab work. I would trust a doctor who has seen hundreds of Lyme patients more than one who has seen just a few.

By the way, infectious disease specialists, who should be better, are some of the worst. One that saw my wife made the idiotic statement, that since she had taken some antibiotics, it was going to be impossible to tell whether she had neurological Lyme.

Good luck with your son,

[Guest guest]

Strangly enough, ,my hubby would not even comment on the possibility of the test being a legitimate tool of diagnosis. Like you, I thought they had no reason to be biased, and they said it had 99% viability. For me, that and an abnormal spect scan is enough to convince me he has it. Do you think I should do the ABX at all? I really don't like the idea of the relapse that is inevitable. I will talk to his doctor about it when we return. Dietrich Klinghart in Seattle has his protocol on his web site. Bettina To: "Lyme_and_Rife " <Lyme_and_Rife > Sent: Monday, January 2, 2012 9:56 AM Subject: Re: New Lymie needs advice on rife machine

Bettina,

The fact that the test summary suggested an active infection tells me that the lab's conclusion is that he has a Lyme infection.

They test the blood, use the metrics of the test (the numbers), then make a conclusion or summary.

The lab is going to be the most objective information. The interpretation is where the subjectivity comes in. I think that your husband is concerned that LLMD's are subjective.

But the LLMD's have seen hundreds of people who have Lyme and have a huge range of test results. They see people like my wife, who have extremely positive results, and others who have negative results, but have a few "markers" that are not large enough to turn the test positive, but tell a doctor that is familiar with the tests a lot. He puts this "marker" with the symptoms he sees, and makes a conclusion based on the whole patient.

I am not giving medical advice, but I will give you my practical opinion:

Since you have the Ultimate Digital Rife Machine, I would use it. As Jim mentioned, later, you may have to move to a stronger machine to completely get rid of the infection. I would just start at a low time to try and avoid a strong herx reaction. Maybe 15-30 seconds; wait at least 3-4 days before you conclude whether or not he has a herx. Everybody's different, but some people have neurological herxes that don't begin immediately. There could actually be a slight "calm before the storm". If there is no discernable herx, then increase the treatment time to 1-2 minutes. I think it is worth taking a couple of extra weeks building up, rather than going through the hell of a bad neurological herx.

As far as the antibiotics are concerned, they will probably not get rid of the entire infection, since they force the bacteria into cysts. So sometime in the future, he will probably have to be off the antibiotics for a period of time, while he continues with a Rife machine, until all have come out of the cysts and been killed. You should talk to whichever doctor you decide to go to and tell him about using the Rife machine. He may say that the machine is enough for now.

Personally, my opinion is to keep it as simple as possible: 1) Kill bacteria with as few methods as possible. That way you know what is affecting him.

2) Detox. I think think the simpler the better. As a 16 year old, I would think your son would rather take one thing rather than a dozen.

I'm not sure I remember who Dr. DK is. Does he have a different protocol?

To: "Lyme_and_Rife " <Lyme_and_Rife > Sent: Sunday, January 1, 2012 10:38 PMSubject: Re: New Lymie needs advice on rife machine

We did not do the . We did the test for cytokines, t cell and Western Blot for Lyme. There were bands on the Western blot , specifically the p100 kept showing up. There was a lot of inflammation indicated. The test summary suggested an active infection even though the WB was negative. Thanks for sharing. The docs are so scary. Do you suggest we skip the abc and do rife and protocols? I just think Dr. DK might be right. For some reason I keep thinking I should take my son to him. I know Dr. J in DC knows his stuff. I am just not convinced the abx is the solution. I wish you all of you total healing. Bettina

Bettina,

I don't think I can offer any better advise than Jim and the others have provided, but I just wanted to let you know about our experience, so you know you're not alone.

My wife was having a lot of neurological problems, pain, aggression, ADD, etc. At one point, she could not complete a sentence, because by the time she got from the subject to the verb, she could not remember what the object was;

She received numerous diagnoses from MD's, but the 3 neuorologists she saw had 3 of the most interesting ones.

The first asked why she was in a wheelchair. When told that she could not stand because of the pain, that she could not straighten her neck and back, and great fatigue, and after a few little neuorlogical tests, she was told there was "nothing wrong with her", and she was "healthy enough to run a marathon."

The second asked her to stand and raise her arms. Since her pain had become so intense, for so long, she could not force her left arm away from her side. He even tried to force it up, and couldn't do it (Intense pain!). His diagnosis was "frozen shoulder"; nothing neorological.

The third decided that all this was from something that had happened in her past, or possibly that I was abusing her, and diagnosed her with "comversion disorder" or "conversion reaction". He wanted to give her Sodium Amitol" (truth serum) and find out what I was doing to her. Fortunately, she's a tough chick, and did not let them do that to her.

Later the next year, we found Dr. C in MO, who easily diagnosed her, even before her tests came back. The abx and especially the IV abx saved her life. Later, the abx stopped helping, so we had to move on to other things. That's why I'm here. The rife type technology has helped her quite a bit.

By the way, did your son get a Western Blot test? The ELISA test is really worthless - lots of false negatives. There are a few other tests out there, including the Bowen test that might help convince your husband (and sometimes insurance companies). But the bottom line is that Lyme is diagnosed "clinically" (by symptoms) with only support from lab work. I would trust a doctor who has seen hundreds of Lyme patients more than one who has seen just a few.

By the way, infectious disease specialists, who should be better, are some of the worst. One that saw my wife made the idiotic statement, that since she had taken some antibiotics, it was going to be impossible to tell whether she had neurological Lyme.

Good luck with your son,