Guest guest Posted May 1, 2012 Report Share Posted May 1, 2012 Thank you so much. What is so frustrating is reading other parents say how crazy I am, like I am some kind of conspiracy nut case for showing that vaccines can in fact lead to AUTISM! I have the proof that my daughter was developing ahead of schedule then she got the vaccines that all contained aluminum, she lost major skills and then tested off the chart with aluminum. I am done trying to convince people who pray to the God of vaccines. I don't understand how people can have BLIND FAITH in vaccines and just do as they are told without looking at WHAT IS IN those vaccines. I had NO IDEA how much aluminum my baby was getting and how TOXIC it was to her brain. She is now permanently injured and we both have to deal with that concequence for the rest of our lives. I am done trying to protect other peoples babies from the same harm that those vaccines caused my child. Tina Vaccines > > To: " Autism_in_Girls_and_Women " > > > >> " .....vaccines are at best completely useless, have never > >> prevented any > >> disease and they cause enumerable acute and chronic health > problems. " >> > >> I guess arguing about vaccines on an autism list is about a > >> productive as trying to argue religion or politics at a > >> tavern.....but this statement really concerns me. > >> > >> > >> Never prevented any disease? > >> > >> So the eradication of smallpox from the world was an act of > God? > >> What about measles? Everyone used to get it 50 years ago, > and > >> thousands would die from it. > >> > >> Polio? Remember the braces the kids used to have to wear on > >> their legs and have to use a cane forever? > >> The list goes on and on. > >> > >> > >> Vaccines have saved MILLIONS of lives. > >> > >> > >> That is the main point I want to make - that vaccines have > made > >> the world a better place. We shouldn't forget this. > >> > >> > >> I don't think vaccines caused my daughter's autism. I think > >> there's a tiny fraction of the population (well under 1%) who > >> are innately immunocompromised who could be harmed by > vaccines, > >> but overall vaccines have done way more good than harm, and > most > >> kids should be vaccinated. > >> > >> The rate of autism over the past 30-40 years has increased > >> exponentially. Vaccination rates during the same period have > >> stayed about the same, and have actually decreased somewhat > in > >> recent years due to autism fears. If moms are choosing to > >> vaccinate less often, shouldn't this result in the autism > rate > >> go down? The reverse is happening. Fewer vaccinations, yet > >> more and more autism cases...how can vaccines be the cause if > >> we're vaccinating less while the rate grows? > >> > >> > >> How many parents give their kids > >> all of their vaccinations? 95%? Let's say it's only > 80%.....if > >> vaccines cause " enumerable acute and chronic health > problems. " > >> Why are we all surrounded by so many normal healthy kids and > >> adults? Why isn't everyone who's getting vaccinated getting > all > >> of these " enumerable " health problems that vaccines cause? > >> > >> > >> Despite the millions of dollars in research conducted trying > to > >> prove a link between vaccines and autism exists, one has > never > >> been found. Okay, well Wakefield said he found one, but his > >> research results were never reproducible within the > scientific > >> community and he's been fully discredited for having a > conflict > >> of interest. He lost his license to practice medicine in Britain. > >> > >> I'll probably never change the mind of someone who thinks > >> vaccines cause autism, just like folks who are convinced > ghosts > >> are real, 9/11 was a government conspiracy, or whatever other > >> topic people can get really passionate about, but when > someone > >> goes as far as saying vaccines are useless, I have to speak > up. > >> > >> Tammy > >> > >> > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2012 Report Share Posted May 1, 2012 Sadly you can't teach someone something new, who thinks their brain is already full. Or in layman's terms : You can't save everyone, and you can't convince someone that believes they are right. It's sad, I am still on the debate about the vaccines myself, I have stopped all vaccines for my children until they reach the age of 5 (going to school) and even then I am selective in the vaccines I have given my two older children.. but the more I learn, the more I am considering stopping vaccines as a whole with my two youngest children.. But I DO my research and I make the choice I feel is best. I am not one of the sheep that just do what the pediatrician says (those kind of parents drive me mad!!) From: Autism_in_Girls_and_Women [mailto:Autism_in_Girls_and_Women ] On Behalf Of cuches@... Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 9:02 AM To: Autism_in_Girls_and_Women Subject: Re: Vaccines - CATHY Thank you so much. What is so frustrating is reading other parents say how crazy I am, like I am some kind of conspiracy nut case for showing that vaccines can in fact lead to AUTISM! I have the proof that my daughter was developing ahead of schedule then she got the vaccines that all contained aluminum, she lost major skills and then tested off the chart with aluminum. I am done trying to convince people who pray to the God of vaccines. I don't understand how people can have BLIND FAITH in vaccines and just do as they are told without looking at WHAT IS IN those vaccines. I had NO IDEA how much aluminum my baby was getting and how TOXIC it was to her brain. She is now permanently injured and we both have to deal with that concequence for the rest of our lives. I am done trying to protect other peoples babies from the same harm that those vaccines caused my child. Tina Vaccines > > To: " Autism_in_Girls_and_Women <mailto:Autism_in_Girls_and_Women%40yahoogroups.com> " > > > >> " .....vaccines are at best completely useless, have never > >> prevented any > >> disease and they cause enumerable acute and chronic health > problems. " >> > >> I guess arguing about vaccines on an autism list is about a > >> productive as trying to argue religion or politics at a > >> tavern.....but this statement really concerns me. > >> > >> > >> Never prevented any disease? > >> > >> So the eradication of smallpox from the world was an act of > God? > >> What about measles? Everyone used to get it 50 years ago, > and > >> thousands would die from it. > >> > >> Polio? Remember the braces the kids used to have to wear on > >> their legs and have to use a cane forever? > >> The list goes on and on. > >> > >> > >> Vaccines have saved MILLIONS of lives. > >> > >> > >> That is the main point I want to make - that vaccines have > made > >> the world a better place. We shouldn't forget this. > >> > >> > >> I don't think vaccines caused my daughter's autism. I think > >> there's a tiny fraction of the population (well under 1%) who > >> are innately immunocompromised who could be harmed by > vaccines, > >> but overall vaccines have done way more good than harm, and > most > >> kids should be vaccinated. > >> > >> The rate of autism over the past 30-40 years has increased > >> exponentially. Vaccination rates during the same period have > >> stayed about the same, and have actually decreased somewhat > in > >> recent years due to autism fears. If moms are choosing to > >> vaccinate less often, shouldn't this result in the autism > rate > >> go down? The reverse is happening. Fewer vaccinations, yet > >> more and more autism cases...how can vaccines be the cause if > >> we're vaccinating less while the rate grows? > >> > >> > >> How many parents give their kids > >> all of their vaccinations? 95%? Let's say it's only > 80%.....if > >> vaccines cause " enumerable acute and chronic health > problems. " > >> Why are we all surrounded by so many normal healthy kids and > >> adults? Why isn't everyone who's getting vaccinated getting > all > >> of these " enumerable " health problems that vaccines cause? > >> > >> > >> Despite the millions of dollars in research conducted trying > to > >> prove a link between vaccines and autism exists, one has > never > >> been found. Okay, well Wakefield said he found one, but his > >> research results were never reproducible within the > scientific > >> community and he's been fully discredited for having a > conflict > >> of interest. He lost his license to practice medicine in Britain. > >> > >> I'll probably never change the mind of someone who thinks > >> vaccines cause autism, just like folks who are convinced > ghosts > >> are real, 9/11 was a government conspiracy, or whatever other > >> topic people can get really passionate about, but when > someone > >> goes as far as saying vaccines are useless, I have to speak > up. > >> > >> Tammy > >> > >> > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2012 Report Share Posted May 1, 2012 Tina, Please don't feel alone in your beliefs. I agree with you wholeheartedly. It is extremely frustrating when you see someone else go to the doctors office and damage their child knowing full well what is going to happen. Then when the damage is done they call you and complain and vent and need advice on how to proceed, when they just could've prevented it in the first place. Can you tell what situation I've been in recently?? It makes me crazy when you know all the facts about a given child and you try to warn the parent of potential dangers and they just don't listen. Amy > ** > > > Thank you so much. What is so frustrating is reading other parents say how > crazy I am, like I am some kind of conspiracy nut case for showing that > vaccines can in fact lead to AUTISM! I have the proof that my daughter was > developing ahead of schedule then she got the vaccines that all contained > aluminum, she lost major skills and then tested off the chart with > aluminum. I am done trying to convince people who pray to the God of > vaccines. I don't understand how people can have BLIND FAITH in vaccines > and just do as they are told without looking at WHAT IS IN those vaccines. > I had NO IDEA how much aluminum my baby was getting and how TOXIC it was to > her brain. She is now permanently injured and we both have to deal with > that concequence for the rest of our lives. I am done trying to protect > other peoples babies from the same harm that those vaccines caused my > child. > > Tina > > Vaccines > > > To: " Autism_in_Girls_and_Women " > > > > > >> " .....vaccines are at best completely useless, have never > > >> prevented any > > >> disease and they cause enumerable acute and chronic health > > problems. " >> > > >> I guess arguing about vaccines on an autism list is about a > > >> productive as trying to argue religion or politics at a > > >> tavern.....but this statement really concerns me. > > >> > > >> > > >> Never prevented any disease? > > >> > > >> So the eradication of smallpox from the world was an act of > > God? > > >> What about measles? Everyone used to get it 50 years ago, > > and > > >> thousands would die from it. > > >> > > >> Polio? Remember the braces the kids used to have to wear on > > >> their legs and have to use a cane forever? > > >> The list goes on and on. > > >> > > >> > > >> Vaccines have saved MILLIONS of lives. > > >> > > >> > > >> That is the main point I want to make - that vaccines have > > made > > >> the world a better place. We shouldn't forget this. > > >> > > >> > > >> I don't think vaccines caused my daughter's autism. I think > > >> there's a tiny fraction of the population (well under 1%) who > > >> are innately immunocompromised who could be harmed by > > vaccines, > > >> but overall vaccines have done way more good than harm, and > > most > > >> kids should be vaccinated. > > >> > > >> The rate of autism over the past 30-40 years has increased > > >> exponentially. Vaccination rates during the same period have > > >> stayed about the same, and have actually decreased somewhat > > in > > >> recent years due to autism fears. If moms are choosing to > > >> vaccinate less often, shouldn't this result in the autism > > rate > > >> go down? The reverse is happening. Fewer vaccinations, yet > > >> more and more autism cases...how can vaccines be the cause if > > >> we're vaccinating less while the rate grows? > > >> > > >> > > >> How many parents give their kids > > >> all of their vaccinations? 95%? Let's say it's only > > 80%.....if > > >> vaccines cause " enumerable acute and chronic health > > problems. " > > >> Why are we all surrounded by so many normal healthy kids and > > >> adults? Why isn't everyone who's getting vaccinated getting > > all > > >> of these " enumerable " health problems that vaccines cause? > > >> > > >> > > >> Despite the millions of dollars in research conducted trying > > to > > >> prove a link between vaccines and autism exists, one has > > never > > >> been found. Okay, well Wakefield said he found one, but his > > >> research results were never reproducible within the > > scientific > > >> community and he's been fully discredited for having a > > conflict > > >> of interest. He lost his license to practice medicine in Britain. > > >> > > >> I'll probably never change the mind of someone who thinks > > >> vaccines cause autism, just like folks who are convinced > > ghosts > > >> are real, 9/11 was a government conspiracy, or whatever other > > >> topic people can get really passionate about, but when > > someone > > >> goes as far as saying vaccines are useless, I have to speak > > up. > > >> > > >> Tammy > > >> > > >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2012 Report Share Posted May 1, 2012 Tina, and Amy - The only thing that matters is that we know the truth about our own children and that we are doing our best to protect them from harm...or further harm. It's very difficult for many people to let go of the sacred cow of vaccines. Lashing out, mocking, name-calling, derision, blaming, etc. on the part of these people is just a defense mechanism and often a result of their own doubts or guilt, whether they are conscious of them or not. The fact is that children like mine are not a danger to anyone else's child. In fact, it's just the opposite. The only reason diseases like pertussis, measles, mumps, polio, etc. still exist is because they are vaccine strains. It has now been documented that this pertussis " outbreak " we've been experiencing in CA has actually been caused and perpetuated by the DTaP (and TDaP) vaccine itself. The vaccine directly caused the vaccine strain to mutate into a more virulent and resistant strain which isn't even contained in the vaccine. So all these scare tactics and threatening letters they send out to parents demanding proof of pertussis vaccination for 7-12th graders or they will ban them from school, is all for a vaccine that doesn't even contain the strain causing the illness. They are causing untold harm to countless children for zero benefit. It's complete idiocy. And of course the whole concept of " herd immunity " is totally laughable. The " herd " has been less than 50% " immune " for decades, but it's the best they can come up with, and if something is repeated often enough, people just come to accept it as irrefutable truth. > Thank you so much. What is so frustrating is reading other parents say how crazy I am, like I am some kind of conspiracy nut case for showing that vaccines can in fact lead to AUTISM! I have the proof that my daughter was developing ahead of schedule then she got the vaccines that all contained aluminum, she lost major skills and then tested off the chart with aluminum. I am done trying to convince people who pray to the God of vaccines. I don't understand how people can have BLIND FAITH in vaccines and just do as they are told without looking at WHAT IS IN those vaccines. I had NO IDEA how much aluminum my baby was getting and how TOXIC it was to her brain. She is now permanently injured and we both have to deal with that concequence for the rest of our lives. I am done trying to protect other peoples babies from the same harm that those vaccines caused my child. > > Tina > > Sadly you can't teach someone something new, who thinks their brain is > already full. Or in layman's terms : You can't save everyone, and you can't > convince someone that believes they are right. > > It's sad, I am still on the debate about the vaccines myself, I have stopped > all vaccines for my children until they reach the age of 5 (going to school) > and even then I am selective in the vaccines I have given my two older > children.. but the more I learn, the more I am considering stopping vaccines > as a whole with my two youngest children.. But I DO my research and I make > the choice I feel is best. I am not one of the sheep that just do what the > pediatrician says (those kind of parents drive me mad!!) > Tina, > Please don't feel alone in your beliefs. I agree with you wholeheartedly. > It is extremely frustrating when you see someone else go to the doctors > office and damage their child knowing full well what is going to happen. > Then when the damage is done they call you and complain and vent and need > advice on how to proceed, when they just could've prevented it in the first > place. Can you tell what situation I've been in recently?? It makes me > crazy when you know all the facts about a given child and you try to warn > the parent of potential dangers and they just don't listen. > > Amy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2012 Report Share Posted May 1, 2012 My apologies, BRANDY...I misspelled your name :-) > Tina, and Amy - > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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