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Thank you so much. What is so frustrating is reading other parents say how crazy

I am, like I am some kind of conspiracy nut case for showing that vaccines can

in fact lead to AUTISM! I have the proof that my daughter was developing ahead

of schedule then she got the vaccines that all contained aluminum, she lost

major skills and then tested off the chart with aluminum. I am done trying to

convince people who pray to the God of vaccines. I don't understand how people

can have BLIND FAITH in vaccines and just do as they are told without looking at

WHAT IS IN those vaccines. I had NO IDEA how much aluminum my baby was getting

and how TOXIC it was to her brain. She is now permanently injured and we both

have to deal with that concequence for the rest of our lives. I am done trying

to protect other peoples babies from the same harm that those vaccines caused my

child.

Tina

Vaccines

> > To: " Autism_in_Girls_and_Women "

> >

> >> " .....vaccines are at best completely useless, have never

> >> prevented any

> >> disease and they cause enumerable acute and chronic health

> problems. " >>

> >> I guess arguing about vaccines on an autism list is about a

> >> productive as trying to argue religion or politics at a

> >> tavern.....but this statement really concerns me.

> >>

> >>

> >> Never prevented any disease?

> >>

> >> So the eradication of smallpox from the world was an act of

> God?

> >> What about measles? Everyone used to get it 50 years ago,

> and

> >> thousands would die from it.

> >>

> >> Polio? Remember the braces the kids used to have to wear on

> >> their legs and have to use a cane forever?

> >> The list goes on and on.

> >>

> >>

> >> Vaccines have saved MILLIONS of lives.

> >>

> >>

> >> That is the main point I want to make - that vaccines have

> made

> >> the world a better place. We shouldn't forget this.

> >>

> >>

> >> I don't think vaccines caused my daughter's autism. I think

> >> there's a tiny fraction of the population (well under 1%) who

> >> are innately immunocompromised who could be harmed by

> vaccines,

> >> but overall vaccines have done way more good than harm, and

> most

> >> kids should be vaccinated.

> >>

> >> The rate of autism over the past 30-40 years has increased

> >> exponentially. Vaccination rates during the same period have

> >> stayed about the same, and have actually decreased somewhat

> in

> >> recent years due to autism fears. If moms are choosing to

> >> vaccinate less often, shouldn't this result in the autism

> rate

> >> go down? The reverse is happening. Fewer vaccinations, yet

> >> more and more autism cases...how can vaccines be the cause if

> >> we're vaccinating less while the rate grows?

> >>

> >>

> >> How many parents give their kids

> >> all of their vaccinations? 95%? Let's say it's only

> 80%.....if

> >> vaccines cause " enumerable acute and chronic health

> problems. "

> >> Why are we all surrounded by so many normal healthy kids and

> >> adults? Why isn't everyone who's getting vaccinated getting

> all

> >> of these " enumerable " health problems that vaccines cause?

> >>

> >>

> >> Despite the millions of dollars in research conducted trying

> to

> >> prove a link between vaccines and autism exists, one has

> never

> >> been found. Okay, well Wakefield said he found one, but his

> >> research results were never reproducible within the

> scientific

> >> community and he's been fully discredited for having a

> conflict

> >> of interest. He lost his license to practice medicine in Britain.

> >>

> >> I'll probably never change the mind of someone who thinks

> >> vaccines cause autism, just like folks who are convinced

> ghosts

> >> are real, 9/11 was a government conspiracy, or whatever other

> >> topic people can get really passionate about, but when

> someone

> >> goes as far as saying vaccines are useless, I have to speak

> up.

> >>

> >> Tammy

> >>

> >>

> >>

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Sadly you can't teach someone something new, who thinks their brain is

already full. Or in layman's terms : You can't save everyone, and you can't

convince someone that believes they are right.

It's sad, I am still on the debate about the vaccines myself, I have stopped

all vaccines for my children until they reach the age of 5 (going to school)

and even then I am selective in the vaccines I have given my two older

children.. but the more I learn, the more I am considering stopping vaccines

as a whole with my two youngest children.. But I DO my research and I make

the choice I feel is best. I am not one of the sheep that just do what the

pediatrician says (those kind of parents drive me mad!!)

From: Autism_in_Girls_and_Women

[mailto:Autism_in_Girls_and_Women ] On Behalf Of

cuches@...

Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2012 9:02 AM

To: Autism_in_Girls_and_Women

Subject: Re: Vaccines - CATHY

Thank you so much. What is so frustrating is reading other parents say how

crazy I am, like I am some kind of conspiracy nut case for showing that

vaccines can in fact lead to AUTISM! I have the proof that my daughter was

developing ahead of schedule then she got the vaccines that all contained

aluminum, she lost major skills and then tested off the chart with aluminum.

I am done trying to convince people who pray to the God of vaccines. I don't

understand how people can have BLIND FAITH in vaccines and just do as they

are told without looking at WHAT IS IN those vaccines. I had NO IDEA how

much aluminum my baby was getting and how TOXIC it was to her brain. She is

now permanently injured and we both have to deal with that concequence for

the rest of our lives. I am done trying to protect other peoples babies from

the same harm that those vaccines caused my child.

Tina

Vaccines

> > To: " Autism_in_Girls_and_Women

<mailto:Autism_in_Girls_and_Women%40yahoogroups.com> "

> >

> >> " .....vaccines are at best completely useless, have never

> >> prevented any

> >> disease and they cause enumerable acute and chronic health

> problems. " >>

> >> I guess arguing about vaccines on an autism list is about a

> >> productive as trying to argue religion or politics at a

> >> tavern.....but this statement really concerns me.

> >>

> >>

> >> Never prevented any disease?

> >>

> >> So the eradication of smallpox from the world was an act of

> God?

> >> What about measles? Everyone used to get it 50 years ago,

> and

> >> thousands would die from it.

> >>

> >> Polio? Remember the braces the kids used to have to wear on

> >> their legs and have to use a cane forever?

> >> The list goes on and on.

> >>

> >>

> >> Vaccines have saved MILLIONS of lives.

> >>

> >>

> >> That is the main point I want to make - that vaccines have

> made

> >> the world a better place. We shouldn't forget this.

> >>

> >>

> >> I don't think vaccines caused my daughter's autism. I think

> >> there's a tiny fraction of the population (well under 1%) who

> >> are innately immunocompromised who could be harmed by

> vaccines,

> >> but overall vaccines have done way more good than harm, and

> most

> >> kids should be vaccinated.

> >>

> >> The rate of autism over the past 30-40 years has increased

> >> exponentially. Vaccination rates during the same period have

> >> stayed about the same, and have actually decreased somewhat

> in

> >> recent years due to autism fears. If moms are choosing to

> >> vaccinate less often, shouldn't this result in the autism

> rate

> >> go down? The reverse is happening. Fewer vaccinations, yet

> >> more and more autism cases...how can vaccines be the cause if

> >> we're vaccinating less while the rate grows?

> >>

> >>

> >> How many parents give their kids

> >> all of their vaccinations? 95%? Let's say it's only

> 80%.....if

> >> vaccines cause " enumerable acute and chronic health

> problems. "

> >> Why are we all surrounded by so many normal healthy kids and

> >> adults? Why isn't everyone who's getting vaccinated getting

> all

> >> of these " enumerable " health problems that vaccines cause?

> >>

> >>

> >> Despite the millions of dollars in research conducted trying

> to

> >> prove a link between vaccines and autism exists, one has

> never

> >> been found. Okay, well Wakefield said he found one, but his

> >> research results were never reproducible within the

> scientific

> >> community and he's been fully discredited for having a

> conflict

> >> of interest. He lost his license to practice medicine in Britain.

> >>

> >> I'll probably never change the mind of someone who thinks

> >> vaccines cause autism, just like folks who are convinced

> ghosts

> >> are real, 9/11 was a government conspiracy, or whatever other

> >> topic people can get really passionate about, but when

> someone

> >> goes as far as saying vaccines are useless, I have to speak

> up.

> >>

> >> Tammy

> >>

> >>

> >>

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Tina,

Please don't feel alone in your beliefs. I agree with you wholeheartedly.

It is extremely frustrating when you see someone else go to the doctors

office and damage their child knowing full well what is going to happen.

Then when the damage is done they call you and complain and vent and need

advice on how to proceed, when they just could've prevented it in the first

place. Can you tell what situation I've been in recently?? It makes me

crazy when you know all the facts about a given child and you try to warn

the parent of potential dangers and they just don't listen.

Amy

> **

>

>

> Thank you so much. What is so frustrating is reading other parents say how

> crazy I am, like I am some kind of conspiracy nut case for showing that

> vaccines can in fact lead to AUTISM! I have the proof that my daughter was

> developing ahead of schedule then she got the vaccines that all contained

> aluminum, she lost major skills and then tested off the chart with

> aluminum. I am done trying to convince people who pray to the God of

> vaccines. I don't understand how people can have BLIND FAITH in vaccines

> and just do as they are told without looking at WHAT IS IN those vaccines.

> I had NO IDEA how much aluminum my baby was getting and how TOXIC it was to

> her brain. She is now permanently injured and we both have to deal with

> that concequence for the rest of our lives. I am done trying to protect

> other peoples babies from the same harm that those vaccines caused my

> child.

>

> Tina

>

> Vaccines

> > > To: " Autism_in_Girls_and_Women "

> > >

> > >> " .....vaccines are at best completely useless, have never

> > >> prevented any

> > >> disease and they cause enumerable acute and chronic health

> > problems. " >>

> > >> I guess arguing about vaccines on an autism list is about a

> > >> productive as trying to argue religion or politics at a

> > >> tavern.....but this statement really concerns me.

> > >>

> > >>

> > >> Never prevented any disease?

> > >>

> > >> So the eradication of smallpox from the world was an act of

> > God?

> > >> What about measles? Everyone used to get it 50 years ago,

> > and

> > >> thousands would die from it.

> > >>

> > >> Polio? Remember the braces the kids used to have to wear on

> > >> their legs and have to use a cane forever?

> > >> The list goes on and on.

> > >>

> > >>

> > >> Vaccines have saved MILLIONS of lives.

> > >>

> > >>

> > >> That is the main point I want to make - that vaccines have

> > made

> > >> the world a better place. We shouldn't forget this.

> > >>

> > >>

> > >> I don't think vaccines caused my daughter's autism. I think

> > >> there's a tiny fraction of the population (well under 1%) who

> > >> are innately immunocompromised who could be harmed by

> > vaccines,

> > >> but overall vaccines have done way more good than harm, and

> > most

> > >> kids should be vaccinated.

> > >>

> > >> The rate of autism over the past 30-40 years has increased

> > >> exponentially. Vaccination rates during the same period have

> > >> stayed about the same, and have actually decreased somewhat

> > in

> > >> recent years due to autism fears. If moms are choosing to

> > >> vaccinate less often, shouldn't this result in the autism

> > rate

> > >> go down? The reverse is happening. Fewer vaccinations, yet

> > >> more and more autism cases...how can vaccines be the cause if

> > >> we're vaccinating less while the rate grows?

> > >>

> > >>

> > >> How many parents give their kids

> > >> all of their vaccinations? 95%? Let's say it's only

> > 80%.....if

> > >> vaccines cause " enumerable acute and chronic health

> > problems. "

> > >> Why are we all surrounded by so many normal healthy kids and

> > >> adults? Why isn't everyone who's getting vaccinated getting

> > all

> > >> of these " enumerable " health problems that vaccines cause?

> > >>

> > >>

> > >> Despite the millions of dollars in research conducted trying

> > to

> > >> prove a link between vaccines and autism exists, one has

> > never

> > >> been found. Okay, well Wakefield said he found one, but his

> > >> research results were never reproducible within the

> > scientific

> > >> community and he's been fully discredited for having a

> > conflict

> > >> of interest. He lost his license to practice medicine in Britain.

> > >>

> > >> I'll probably never change the mind of someone who thinks

> > >> vaccines cause autism, just like folks who are convinced

> > ghosts

> > >> are real, 9/11 was a government conspiracy, or whatever other

> > >> topic people can get really passionate about, but when

> > someone

> > >> goes as far as saying vaccines are useless, I have to speak

> > up.

> > >>

> > >> Tammy

> > >>

> > >>

> > >>

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Tina, and Amy -

The only thing that matters is that we know the truth about our own children and

that we are doing our best to protect them from harm...or further harm. It's

very difficult for many people to let go of the sacred cow of vaccines. Lashing

out, mocking, name-calling, derision, blaming, etc. on the part of these people

is just a defense mechanism and often a result of their own doubts or guilt,

whether they are conscious of them or not. The fact is that children like mine

are not a danger to anyone else's child. In fact, it's just the opposite. The

only reason diseases like pertussis, measles, mumps, polio, etc. still exist is

because they are vaccine strains. It has now been documented that this pertussis

" outbreak " we've been experiencing in CA has actually been caused and

perpetuated by the DTaP (and TDaP) vaccine itself. The vaccine directly caused

the vaccine strain to mutate into a more virulent and resistant strain which

isn't even contained in the vaccine. So all these scare tactics and threatening

letters they send out to parents demanding proof of pertussis vaccination for

7-12th graders or they will ban them from school, is all for a vaccine that

doesn't even contain the strain causing the illness. They are causing untold

harm to countless children for zero benefit. It's complete idiocy. And of course

the whole concept of " herd immunity " is totally laughable. The " herd " has been

less than 50% " immune " for decades, but it's the best they can come up with, and

if something is repeated often enough, people just come to accept it as

irrefutable truth.

> Thank you so much. What is so frustrating is reading other parents say how

crazy I am, like I am some kind of conspiracy nut case for showing that vaccines

can in fact lead to AUTISM! I have the proof that my daughter was developing

ahead of schedule then she got the vaccines that all contained aluminum, she

lost major skills and then tested off the chart with aluminum. I am done trying

to convince people who pray to the God of vaccines. I don't understand how

people can have BLIND FAITH in vaccines and just do as they are told without

looking at WHAT IS IN those vaccines. I had NO IDEA how much aluminum my baby

was getting and how TOXIC it was to her brain. She is now permanently injured

and we both have to deal with that concequence for the rest of our lives. I am

done trying to protect other peoples babies from the same harm that those

vaccines caused my child.

>

> Tina

>

> Sadly you can't teach someone something new, who thinks their brain is

> already full. Or in layman's terms : You can't save everyone, and you can't

> convince someone that believes they are right.

>

> It's sad, I am still on the debate about the vaccines myself, I have stopped

> all vaccines for my children until they reach the age of 5 (going to school)

> and even then I am selective in the vaccines I have given my two older

> children.. but the more I learn, the more I am considering stopping vaccines

> as a whole with my two youngest children.. But I DO my research and I make

> the choice I feel is best. I am not one of the sheep that just do what the

> pediatrician says (those kind of parents drive me mad!!)

> Tina,

> Please don't feel alone in your beliefs. I agree with you wholeheartedly.

> It is extremely frustrating when you see someone else go to the doctors

> office and damage their child knowing full well what is going to happen.

> Then when the damage is done they call you and complain and vent and need

> advice on how to proceed, when they just could've prevented it in the first

> place. Can you tell what situation I've been in recently?? It makes me

> crazy when you know all the facts about a given child and you try to warn

> the parent of potential dangers and they just don't listen.

>

> Amy

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