(no subject)

March 2, 2011

They were quoting tho the use of steroids by people exposed in WDB exposure.

Dr. T has discussed that here in Sep. 2010. I posted the quote from the expert

here but I have not seen it show up on the board.

I understand it's application out of here for other severe diseases as well and

do not condemn that at all. It has it's place like all does. The cautions

stated are for those exposed to WDB not others out of this arena. It has been

discussed here by the Experts.

God Bless !!

dragonflymcs

Mayleen

________________________________

From: dianebolton52 <dianebolton@...>

Sent: Wed, March 2, 2011 1:18:32 PM

Subject: [] Re: (no subject)

I have worked in the medical field for many years caring for patients. Its

important to remember that every medication has its place. There are several

people here who use steroids and then we have the people on the other side who

caution the use of them. Here is where I stand. Steroids are the kind of

March 2, 2011

I've had plenty of proof that I dont tolerate steroids basicly at all and I dont

know if even if It was a life or death situation if they wouldn't just push me

to death, I believe so and pray I dont have to get in the poisition where I

might have to take them, but if I have to have sinus and/or brain sergery this

may become a hudge problem for me.

I've had bad reactions to steoids by way of nasal spray and lung inhalent and a

spinal cord injection.

one of my biggest fears would be to be taken to the ER and not be able to talk

or they giveing me steroids without me knowing, still just once might make me

suffer greatly but I would servive.(hopefully)

but if you have to have it for a short period of time off and on, thats

different than takeing it constantly.

yes, takeing it even short term may not be a good thing but if you have no

choise, beifits may outway the bad effects.

I'm not doubting that for some even short term use could be deadly,

I may be in that catagory, but for some who do use it off and on and say it

helps and is needed temporarly, I figure if they were going to be at risk from

use, theyed probably know it the first time they tried it. I did. so it's not

the same for us all, and haveing a doctor that knows your condition is very

important.

common sence says that there well be those who may not show a obvious adverse

affect like I do and so there still needs to be caution and doctor supervision

and monitoring of the patient closely and get to a hospital if you fell

somethings not right.

but if someone has taken them before, tolerates them and knows they can tolerate

them to some amount, whatever, than we should respect that they know and know to

be careful and we dont need to cause stress by telling them it may kill them.

and holy cow, not everything writen in a book or in a article or a study is

engarved in stone as gods word, if it was we wouldn't be hear because ACOEM says

it's just not possable or now basicly something that rarely ever happens. and

that basicly doctors should look for every other possable reason or misdiagnoses

that could be put on us when we really just need proper diagnoses and proper

medical care.

and yep, if we dont support Sharon and lose her, this well be what we well

continue to deal with for many more years.

and so well many more people.

>

> I totally agree with you but I have seen many mold patients who have been

> on steroids for yrs. which I don't think is a very good idea. One lady I

> worked with (before finding out what was really wrong with her) was on and

> off steroids for over 2 yrs. Each time she was weaned off of them she ended

> up back in the ER almost dying. They would put her right back on the

> steroids. One visit to a very renowned hospital in Baltimore told her she

could

> take them for life. She was only 32 yrs. old. Same hospital told her that her

> rash (after doing many tests) must just be hives!! Also told her that

> mold could not cause her symptoms. Told her it was Still's Disease & sent her

> to a rheumatologist. She finally did see the right Dr. and in about 3

> months was doing 100% better & off steroids, however she didn't like taking

> the CSM, the travel time and still wanted to go stay in places at the beach

> that weren't a good environment. So she's back on steroids & rhematoid meds

> and not very well. SSR

>

March 5, 2011

I had to take prendizone for several months because I had to go to the emergency

with serious allergic reaction to Augmentin they figured. Not sure it wasn't

from mold also. Had two emergencies that week. Then the landlord finished me off

with painting for a month and removing 30 year old wallpaper in the winter. I

was on several inhalers but eventually stopped them on my own.

Yes if the hospitals, doctors, etc. could get the right info we would stand a

better chance. So we are harmed by the water damage/ mold and then by these

agencies providing bad info and then by the landlord or office/job where they

get the wrong into. The trauma this has caused us is criminal.

I don't see how they can say that only sick people can get sick from water

damage when we have the records that say we were healthy not needing medical

help and then all of a sudden we are in life altering situation. I know my

records have all that info in them.

I got all my records when I was doing my case in 2000. The doctors didn't charge

anything and they all communicated with each other as shown in my records.

I hope one day we will be compensated for the stress and trauma all the bad

info has caused.

>

> It's on page 138 of Mold Warriors ~ " The role of ACTH in the presence of

> symptoms in mold illness was proof of why treatment with steroids,

> including prednisone, was like " throwing gasoline on the fire. " I can't tell

you

> how

March 5, 2011

Yep. Its pretty bad. I'll get there. I have no doubt.

In a message dated 3/5/2011 6:37:01 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,

glypella@... writes:

Yes, it is criminal, but no one will go to the slammer because of it,

nor will anyone be compensated - not unless there is a mass revolt of

epic proportion. Sharon is a one-person dynamo working on behalf of

all of us. I don't know how many more send letters or call their

politicians or try to get media coverage, but nothing even shames the

criminals anymore. In NY, I'm determined to see some go to jail for

their crimes of murder and collusion. How many of you have called for

RICO investigations in your states?

Barth

March 5, 2011

Yes, it is criminal, but no one will go to the slammer because of it,

nor will anyone be compensated - not unless there is a mass revolt of

epic proportion. Sharon is a one-person dynamo working on behalf of

all of us. I don't know how many more send letters or call their

politicians or try to get media coverage, but nothing even shames the

criminals anymore. In NY, I'm determined to see some go to jail for

their crimes of murder and collusion. How many of you have called for

RICO investigations in your states?

Barth

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l> I had to take prendizone for several months because I had to go to the

emergency with serious allergic reaction to Augmentin they figured. Not sure it

wasn't from mold also. Had two emergencies

l> that week. Then the landlord finished me off with painting for a month and

removing 30 year old wallpaper in the winter. I was on several inhalers but

eventually stopped them on my own.

l> Yes if the hospitals, doctors, etc. could get the right info we would stand a

better chance. So we are harmed by the water damage/ mold and then by these

agencies providing bad info and then by

l> the landlord or office/job where they get the wrong into. The trauma this

has caused us is criminal.

l> I don't see how they can say that only sick people can get sick from water

damage when we have the records that say we were healthy not needing medical

help and then all of a sudden we are in life

l> altering situation. I know my records have all that info in them.

l> I got all my records when I was doing my case in 2000. The doctors didn't

charge anything and they all communicated with each other as shown in my

records.

l> I hope one day we will be compensated for the stress and trauma all the bad

info has caused.

l>

>>

>> It's on page 138 of Mold Warriors ~ " The role of ACTH in the presence of

>> symptoms in mold illness was proof of why treatment with steroids,

>> including prednisone, was like " throwing gasoline on the fire. " I can't tell

you

>> how

March 5, 2011

I agree, I wonder why some get away with charging for copies of the records.

None of my Dr's wanted to communicate with the EI back then. Before I became

severely ill, before I lost my Ins (private pay). I too ended up in the

hospital for a week. Since they could not follow instructions (the little I

knew) I asked to be released from their care.

It takes a long time to learn what to do and what not to do that will help or

hurt us more. By that time much more damage can happen. The correct

information is crucial for us, the education of Dr is one of the most important

things that needs to happen. The most important is to stop

the dissemination of wrong information in it's tracks.

God Bless !!

dragonflymcs

Mayleen

________________________________

From: ldelp84227 <ldelp84227@...>

Sent: Sat, March 5, 2011 6:24:46 AM

Subject: [] Re: (no subject)

I had to take prendizone for several months because I had to go to the emergency

with serious allergic reaction to Augmentin they figured. Not sure it wasn't

from mold also. Had two emergencies that week. Then the landlord finished me off

with painting for a month and removing 30 year old wallpaper in the winter. I

was on several inhalers but eventually stopped them on my own.

March 5, 2011

How do you call for a RICO investigation and do you need evidence?? Many of us

here maybe unaware of legal terminology or how to proceed. Can you explain

in detail??

God Bless !!

dragonflymcs

Mayleen

________________________________

From: Patilla DaHun <glypella@...>

ldelp84227 < >

Sent: Sat, March 5, 2011 9:00:23 AM

Subject: Re: [] Re: (no subject)

Yes, it is criminal, but no one will go to the slammer because of it,

nor will anyone be compensated - not unless there is a mass revolt of

epic proportion. Sharon is a one-person dynamo working on behalf of

all of us. I don't know how many more send letters or call their

politicians or try to get media coverage, but nothing even shames the

criminals anymore. In NY, I'm determined to see some go to jail for

their crimes of murder and collusion. How many of you have called for

RICO investigations in your states?

Barth

www.presenting.net/sbs/sbs.html

SUBMIT YOUR DOCTOR: www.presenting.net/sbs/molddoctors.html

>

>>

>> It's on page 138 of Mold Warriors ~ " The role of ACTH in the presence of

>> symptoms in mold illness was proof of why treatment with steroids,

>> including prednisone, was like " throwing gasoline on the fire. " I can't tell

>>you

>>

>> how

March 6, 2011

I do, too, ! I talk to so many people that have problems and are

treated for so many different things. I know deep down MANY of them have all the

symptoms, that many of us do, and are sick from their environments. It is

such a shame that physicians do not know what is REALLY the cause of so

many illnesses. All they do is treat the symptom and NOT the REAL CAUSE. If

they would just think outside their little box and listen to their patients!!!

Sue R.

I hope one day we will be compensated for the stress and trauma all the

bad info has caused.

March 6, 2011

The union and everyone was covering upthe mold infested basement I was

working in when I got sick. It was on a federal shipyard I was also denied

workmens comp and they put me out on disability

Janet

In a message dated 3/6/2011 9:24:40 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,

productionking04@... writes:

When you said collusion it made sense to me. The school district, OSHA<

NIOSH, EPA, and UCI all worked togwther to deny me thhe right to have my room

inspected, to get medical care, (somatization disorderred was diagnosed by

UCI, Dr. Seltzer)the school district told my disability insurance that I

refused to work even though they had " given me everything I asked for " so

they denied my claim, workers comp won't even pay mileage, and California

Teachers aAss. sided with the insurance to deny me disability. So much for

union help. And so is that collusion? I think so.

meredith

March 6, 2011

When you said collusion it made sense to me. The school district, OSHA< NIOSH,

EPA, and UCI all worked togwther to deny me thhe right to have my room

inspected, to get medical care, (somatization disorderred was diagnosed by UCI,

Dr. Seltzer)the school district told my disability insurance that I refused to

work even though they had " given me everything I asked for " so they denied my

claim, workers comp won't even pay mileage, and California Teachers aAss. sided

with the insurance to deny me disability. So much for union help. And so is

that collusion? I think so.

meredith

>

> It's not vague at all. If you have a case whereby you've been denied

> your rights because several entities refuse them to you by colluding,

> then you have a case against them. Sharon's been illustrating this in

> so many of her posts (the US Chamber, for instance). If you keep your

> medical records and legal records, you may or may not have proof of

> collusion.

>

> One interpretation of collusion from www.dictionary.com is:

>

> " a secret agreement between opponents at law in order to obtain a

> judicial decision for some wrongful or improper purpos

March 6, 2011

I assume so. If you have records, you could also ask for an

investigation.

Barth

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f> When you said collusion it made sense to me. The school district, OSHA<

NIOSH, EPA, and UCI all worked togwther to deny me thhe right to have my room

inspected, to get medical care, (somatization

f> disorderred was diagnosed by UCI, Dr. Seltzer)the school district told my

disability insurance that I refused to work even though they had " given me

everything I asked for " so they denied my

f> claim, workers comp won't even pay mileage, and California Teachers aAss.

sided with the insurance to deny me disability. So much for union help. And so

is that collusion? I think so.

f> meredith

March 6, 2011

,

I assume you know that those of us impacted by exposure to WDB have cognitive

impairments of varying degrees. Some also experience agitation and mood swings.

As a result, I keep this in mind when reading and responding to posts. I read

Mayleen's questions and must admit, I wondered the same thing. A couple of your

recent posts seemingly directed at Maylene have been very curt. As I don't know

you, written words can sometimes be interpreted differently than intended, and

mold exposure can cause agitation, I assumed I was mistaken. But this reply

left no doubt. Kudo's to Maylene for her persistence. Is it necessary to

berate others in the group? I don't know Mayleen, so I can't speak for her.

But I have cognitive issues and complex thinking can be difficult. For example,

I can look up a definition, but I have difficulty applying it. (And yes, I've

read all of Sharon's posts and attachments multiple times.) Please cut us some

slack.

Thank you,

Debbie

>

> Well, here we go again. Why in the world someone can't look something

> up is a mystery to me. Most people know what RICO is, but here goes:

>

> Again, from www.dictionary.com:

>

> Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations (Act)

>

> Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations act: a U.S. law, enacted

> in 1970, allowing victims of organized crime to sue those responsible

> for punitive damages.

>

> Does that help you Mayleen?

>

> Barth

>

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>

> d> I never refuse sources myself, I do not know if others do or not , I like

> d> sources but thought maybe you could enlighten us about Rico since you

brought it

> d> up. I understand it is clear to you, cause you have the expertise in this

and

> d> have been dealing with this yourself. I just thought maybe the rest of us

could

> d> understand in plain English on Rico since maybe most of us are

> d> not familiar with legal terms it can become confusing to some of us. So a

quick

> d> simple explanation of what and how it works would have been a good thing to

some

> d> of us in being helpful.

>

March 7, 2011

Cognitive and emotional (affective) behavior changes are two of

the ten body systems which can be altered by exposures, per Dr

on her Quick Environmental Exposure and

Sensitivity Inventory form (QEESI). Available free from:

http://drclaudiamiller.com/QEESI/

Carl Grimes

Healthy Habitats LLC

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,

I assume you know that those of us impacted by exposure to WDB have cognitive

impairments of varying degrees. Some also experience agitation and mood swings.

As a result, I keep this in mind when reading and responding to posts. I read

Mayleen's questions and must admit, I wondered the same thing. A couple of your

recent posts seemingly directed at Maylene have been very curt. As I don't know

you, written words can sometimes be interpreted differently than intended, and

mold exposure can cause agitation, I assumed I was mistaken. But this reply left

no doubt. Kudo's to Maylene for her persistence. Is it necessary to berate

others in the group? I don't know Mayleen, so I can't speak for her. But I have

cognitive issues and complex thinking can be difficult. For example, I can look

up a definition, but I have difficulty applying it. (And yes, I've read all of

Sharon's posts and attachments multiple times.) Please cut us some slack.

Thank you,

Debbie

>

> Well, here we go again. Why in the world someone can't look something

> up is a mystery to me. Most people know what RICO is, but here goes:

>

> Again, from www.dictionary.com:

>

> Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations (Act)

>

> Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations act: a U.S. law, enacted

> in 1970, allowing victims of organized crime to sue those responsible

> for punitive damages.

>

> Does that help you Mayleen?

>

> Barth

>

> www.presenting.net/sbs/sbs.html

>

> SUBMIT YOUR DOCTOR: www.presenting.net/sbs/molddoctors.html

>

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>

> d> I never refuse sources myself, I do not know if others do or not , I like

> d> sources but thought maybe you could enlighten us about Rico since you

brought it

> d> up. I understand it is clear to you, cause you have the expertise in this

and

> d> have been dealing with this yourself. I just thought maybe the rest of us

could

> d> understand in plain English on Rico since maybe most of us are

> d> not familiar with legal terms it can become confusing to some of us. So a

quick

> d> simple explanation of what and how it works would have been a good thing to

some

> d> of us in being helpful.

>

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March 7, 2011

I was " curt " because I feel that I am being relentlessly needled by a

couple of people on this list. I am having to repeat over and over and

explain my personal case over and over when all I did in the beginning

was try to explain why some of you should have adrenal function tests.

The straw that broke the camel's back was when Mayleen told me I am

going to definitely die very soon because I have to take cortisone. No

one should ever put that psychological stigma on ANYONE! It's

downright EVIL! Is she a doctor? Is she walking in my shoes? I've

lived with varying degrees of cognitive function all these years, so I

do excuse those who have it. This is not a cognitive issue. It is a

constant quest for answers to questions that should not be asked.

Mayleen has a cure for everyone and everything on this list. Check it

out through the archives. She also is pretty astute on legal issues.

So how is it that she doesn't know what RICO is or what evidence is?

Examples: post #87023 explains adrenal insuffiency, but not in full

#86983, 86961, 86909, 86900, 86898, 86854: death sentence.

Debbie, I've been on this list since its inception over a decade ago

and have never experienced the likes of what I am now or the

interrogation of my personal case as it has been. This is the last

time I will answer any questions or offer any information regarding my

own personal experiences. If you think that my agitation is an issue,

then so is the prodding that encourages it.

Barth

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d> ,

d> I assume you know that those of us impacted by exposure to WDB have cognitive

impairments of varying degrees. Some also experience agitation and mood swings.

As a result, I keep this in mind

d> when reading and responding to posts.

March 7, 2011

I agree I fdfdnt like being told I was going to die either

In a message dated 3/7/2011 11:50:21 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,