(no subject)

February 8, 2000

Ethel is correct on the coated capsules.

They get further into the digestive tract where they are needed before being

assaulted by the stomach acid.

I was taking them a while back. I'll get the name and specifics for you

all.

Donna

Ottawa, Canada

Scleroderma, Jan.95, AP Oct.97

(My Story) http://www3.sympatico.ca/mousepotatoes )

rheumatic (no subject)

>From: Snooks <emsnooks@...>

>

>, most acidophilus products on the market today do not survive the

>gastric acid of the stomach. (Hopefully, we will get time to put this

>info on our web page soon.)

>

>Be sure you take a good product - 20 billion live cells if possible.

>Drink an 8 ounce glass of water BEFORE you take the acidophilus and

>drink another 8 ounces with taking it. That way you might not trigger

>so much acid and will get more of the acidophilus into the upper colon.

>

>I was in a meeting with a professor of medicine/researcher last week and

>we were discussing the candida/leaky gut problems. He mentioned there

>is now available an enteric-coated acidophilus. The conversation jumped

>around so quickly I forgot to get the information on availability. I

>will try to get this information and post it.

>

>I also learned of another excellent probiotic called Bifi-15 by Eden

>Foods. This product does survive the stomach acid. It's my

>understanding it was developed in Japan. I've heard several people have

>had some good results with this product. Eden Foods has a website where

>you can get more information.

>

>Ethel

>

>Bob Fain wrote:

>>

>> From: Bob Fain <BobFain@...>

>>

>> Hey, Group, I have a question. I had my monthly IV a week ago and am in

>> a herx now. That is not my concern as I know I will come out of it

>> soon; however, I have a sensation that a vaginal yeast infection is

>> hovering. I have been taking four PowerAcidolphilis/day. Am I taking

>> enough? This sensation might also by part of the chronic cyctitis I

>> suffered for years herxing as I have not had any of it since the five

>> day IV therapy. Thanks,

>>

>> ---------------------------

February 14, 2000

Soybeans are a starch and a protein, this is why they are difficult to

digest. Thats why people aquire gas or have syomach problems when they eat

certain beans. Since i dont eat meat, and my doc suggested it, i have

started eating lentils a couple times a week and havent noticed any

problems.

rheumatic (no subject)

> From: Bob Fain <BobFain@...>

>

> Would soy beans as a snack be any different from the processed soy milk

> which we are not supposed to have?

>

> ---------------------------

February 14, 2000

My reason for asking the question is I received a couple of letters this weekend

from a very nice lady to whom I need to respond. She has SD and I don't think

she is on the AP. I will find that out when I write her. Her situation is such

that she is wanting to manufacture a snack she eats a lot made from soybeans.

She thought it might be something that the SD and RA people might be interested

in. I thought I would throw that out for information before I write her back

and tell her most RA people will not eat soy products; however, I am not sure

that is true. I only know that I am trying to stay away from it. Thank you for

the input.

wrote:

> From: " " <veggie@...>

>

> Soybeans are a starch and a protein, this is why they are difficult to

> digest. Thats why people aquire gas or have syomach problems when they eat

> certain beans. Since i dont eat meat, and my doc suggested it, i have

> started eating lentils a couple times a week and havent noticed any

> problems.

>

> rheumatic (no subject)

>

> > From: Bob Fain <BobFain@...>

> >

> > Would soy beans as a snack be any different from the processed soy milk

> > which we are not supposed to have?

> >

> > ---------------------------

February 15, 2000

,

Sorry I didn't catch you before you got to work to give you some

encouragement too. Some people just shouldn't be in the health care

profession and this person sure is one of them. I am so sorry you had to

go through this nonsense and put up with such treatment. You did get some

useful information from her, although not much. You'll know now who NOT

to see from here on. I hope you had a good day at work and the warmth and

kindness of the group here help make your day brighter. :>))))

Warm hugs,

Bev

>

> Thanks everyone for the encouraging letters. I got up this morning and

> read them before i went to work. What a boost to start the day with!

> Thank you... hugs to you all... T.

>

April 6, 2000

Hi !

Jump right in! Things are cooking right now.... we have one going for

surgery,

a few recovering, some making great progress, some just hanging in there, some

new things to try, and alot of support for everything from sick kids to divorce

to the passing of be loved people and pets. A few days of this and you'll never

turn your tv on again! Tell us whats been going on with you. How long have

you had arthritis and been on the AP? Looking forward to hearing from you again

soon.... T.

June 21, 2000

In a message dated 06/20/2000 8:49:20 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

SurfcityCL@... writes:

<< Liz,

I tried Azulfuldine several years ago. It very quickly made me much worse.

>>

Liz, good luck with the Azulfuldine. I have heard that it only works on 40%

of the people who try it, however it was the Azulfuldine which got me well

initially. The DR told me I could choose between Doxy or Azulfuldine and I

chose the Azulfuldine. I took 2 grams a day for 6 months after about 4 months

I felt like I was ten again. The side affects were the worst it would not let

me go into the sun and bothered my eyes. However that was nothing compared to

not being sich=k any more. I sure hope you get the same good results I did.

Love,

July 31, 2000

enjoyed it very much Carol/Piney

rheumatic (no subject)

> I apologize for the joke everyone. My friend's addresss was under yours

and I pushed it by mistake. SORRY

>

> cooky

>

> :

>

> To unsubscribe, email: rheumatic-unsubscribeegroups

>

August 1, 2000

Don't apologize--it was a hoot!

Bob Zarn wrote:

enjoyed it very much Carol/Piney

rheumatic (no subject)

> I apologize for the joke everyone. My friend's addresss was under

yours

and I pushed it by mistake. SORRY

>

> cooky

>

> :

>

> To unsubscribe, email: rheumatic-unsubscribeegroups

>

To unsubscribe, email: rheumatic-unsubscribeegroups

November 18, 2000

Cooky,

It's great to hear from you and great that you are doing so well. This

treatment is indeed a miracle, even if there are bumps in our roads! Enjoy

your health.

Warmest regards,

G.

rheumatic (no subject)

> A lot of people have been asking about the tetracycline I am taking and

> I just want to warn you that it is VERY sun sensitive. You will burn in

> the sun.I took Minocin and even went to tanning beds...not with TCN!!!

>

> good luck to all of you who are thinking of changing and remember that

> was all that Dr. Brown used.

>

> cooky

>

> To unsubscribe, email: rheumatic-unsubscribeegroups

>

November 19, 2000

Nasrin,

I too have psoriatic arthritis; since 1998. My rheumatologist wanted me to

take methatrexate, even wrote a prescription. After talking with my wife, I

decided not to take it. I did take Sulphasalazin for a couple of months,

but after it completely eliminated my sense of taste, I stopped taking it.

I started taking minocyclin about 2 years ago; 100 mg, 2X a day, MWF. After

about 2 months, the muscle pain starting going away. I could actually walk

around the lake, get in and out of the car without too much pain, and act

relatively normal.

Just tell your doctor you'd want him (her) to write a prescription for

Lederle brand minocin. If he doesn't do it, just go to another doctor.

Doctors with whom patients have a unilateral relationship are not good

doctors. If you tell the group where you live, someone can recommend a

doctor who will prescribe what you need.

As far as I'm concerned there is no decision to be made. You can go along

with the doctor and move from one harmful drug to the next, NSAIDs or

whatever, or you can try this relatively harmless protocol, and get off the

harmful stuff. Just because doctors are smart and educated doesn't make

them as concerned about you as you are. Most doctors are sincerely

concerned, but due to fairly rigid training and indoctrination in a

particular field, they are necessarily open to techniques not learned in

college.

There is certainly a doctor near you that will prescribe minocin. It is low

risk and you will be darn glade you did it.

Good luck!

Jeff

rheumatic (no subject)

> Hi everybody

> This is Nasrin, I am 37 years old with Psoriatic Arthritis for more than 7

> years.

> I used to get MTX (From 0.2 up to 0.7) but it didn't really work and it

hurts

> me so, my doctor (From Centre for prognosis studies in the Rheumatic

> Diseases and Psoriatic Arthritis clinic) has changed my medicine to

> Sulphasalazin last month.

> One of my friend suggested that I should try Antibiotic Therapy, So I

asked

> my doctor but she doesn't agree on this treatment and ......

> Now I dont know what can I do? I like to do what ever might help me.

> Would you please send your suggestion and experience.

> It, s help me to make my decision.

>

> Nasrin

>

> To unsubscribe, email: rheumatic-unsubscribeegroups

>

April 14, 2001

Hi, My minocycline 100mg capsules are orange and blue and have a yellow

powder in them.

The 50mg capsules are all orange and have a yellow powder in them, also. My

pharmacist says

they are the real thing.

Carol/Piney/Manitoba/Canada

rheumatic (no subject)

> Hi there.

> I can't seem to access the site from here either.

> Also I would like to know if any Canadians are getting Minocin in the

> pellet form.

> Thanks,

> Lee-Anne

>

> To unsubscribe, email: rheumatic-unsubscribeegroups

>

July 17, 2001

,

Sounds like you need to find a new pediatrician. The fact is, your son probably

only needs a mumps booster. In addition, you can get immune titer to measles,

mumps and rubella tested and skip the vaccination altogether. An allergy

specialist or a doctor on the DAN! list should be able to help you with the

immune titer testing. There is too much research out there (Wakefield et al.)

that shows some level of correlation with the initial MMR vaccine (at 15 months)

and autism or ASD, despite what the National Academy of Sciences proports. My

own son took a steep downturn after receiving MMR and OPV at 15 months.

God Bless!

S. Hooker, Ph.D., P.E.

Director of Research

PhytaGenics

902 Battelle Blvd., MSIN K2-10

Richland, WA 99352

Phone: 509-375-4420

FAX: 509-372-4660

email: brian.hooker@...

[ ] (no subject)

hi all..i'm new to this list..i have a hfa soon to be 4..which means he's due

for his 4-year old mmr vaccine..i plan on asking his ped to split the

vaccines but i already know he's going to give me a hard time based on past

experiences on getting my son tested..can anyone provide me with some points

to argue so to speak..things he can't dismiss so i'm fully prepared..i go in

asking thinking i have valid points but he easily discredits my

opinions..thanks diana

August 16, 2001

Hi there,

I hate what you are going through! It absolutely makes me furious that the

pediatricains use guilt as a tool to get parents to vaccinate their children!

My daughter was due her 5 year old shots last year, we ran the titers and my

pediatrician said she was immune and was fine with her not having them. Can

you lose immunity???? I don't think so. You tell that pediatrician that

thousands of parents like me think you are really brave to trust that your

child will be fine getting those immunizations when so many children have

been damaged! Does your child have developmental delays already??? If so I

think that it would be insanity to give the shots! Read over the list of

things that can happen as a result of the injection. When I told my doctor

that I did not feel comfortable giving my baby the immunizations after

reading that- he laughed and patted me on the shoulder and told me a was just

a nervous new mother and that nothing ever really happens. WELL, it did and

I should have known to trust my instincts! I have since changed

pediatricians. If your child has already suffered any type of immune system

problem, autism, or developmental delay, I am begging you not to chance his

future by giving him any further immunizations. I live in Louisiana and have

been told so many times that it was state law and that my child would have to

have the immunizations before entering school. I got a copy of the law and

that information is absolutely false in this state. All it takes is a letter

from a parent stating medical, moral, or philosophical reasons and you do

not have to have them. You still have to present the white shot record, but

it does not have to be complete. I am sick and tired of physicians and

school personnel bullying parents into something they feel is wrong for their

child!!!

Sorry so long -- this just touched a nerve with me!

Jane

August 16, 2001

Your right. I thought the same thing. Who is this guy trying to use scare

tactics . I listened to my doc too. I really didn't want to go through them

as my guy had been sick too much. She said if you don't do them I won't be

your doctor . Well I should have told her @#$^** & . AND WALKED OUT. THIS was

BEFORE I knew anything. Now I have MMR boosters coming up too. I have to

find some way to get him into school without them.. Hoping my guy has

immunity cause even if he don't . I don't want em.. kelly

> I am sick and tired of physicians and

> school personnel bullying parents into something they feel is wrong for

> their

> child!!!

>

August 16, 2001

In a message dated 8/16/01 8:47:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

weatherman6001@... writes:

> he laughed and patted me on the shoulder and told me a was just

> a nervous new mother and that nothing ever really happens.

thanks for the response..i've been called a neurotic mom..by an er doctor at

2am when my son was vomiting across the room at less then a year old..i've

overheard ..previous peds' nursers making negative comments about me..for

taking my son there every day for a week to get weighted because he was

losing it at both ends.. end result ..gastro-interitis (sp) ..i've went to

countless doctors..telling my nothing is wrong with my son..boys are later

then girls.give it six more months..then six more..this double six months

recommended by a neurologist..made me miss early intervention..i've ended up

having a witness with me at every doctors' and school visit..sad huh? but

finally i did get someone to dx my son last year with autism..after a year of

therapy he's been moved to high functioning/aspergers..my fear is him losing

that after the vaccine..thanks again and have a good night

August 16, 2001

I chose not to vaccinate my 4 yr old recently and was backed up by my ped,

who also said he would write an exemption for school. You need to find a

different pediatrician. There are some out there that are actually good!

Jane

August 16, 2001

In a message dated 8/16/01 9:39:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

ericshirl@... writes:

> Look at your doctor directly and say simply, " The purpose of the

> vaccine is to create immunity in my child, since he's already immune,

> I see no point in sticking him unnecessarily. " (Then look at him

> questioningly, as if you wonder why he would want to stick your child

> unnecessarily)

>

i'm printing this and studying it verbatim..i jsut hope i dont freeze when

i'm there..

i've put off switching because this my 4th ped..i thought i wanted to

establish some sort of longevity..i know..my borthers and sister and i saw

the ped that delivered us..all into our early 20s..

what is an environmental doctor..is that the same as a dan doctor?

thanks diana

August 17, 2001

Diane,

Look at your doctor directly and say simply, " The purpose of the

vaccine is to create immunity in my child, since he's already immune,

I see no point in sticking him unnecessarily. " (Then look at him

questioningly, as if you wonder why he would want to stick your child

unnecessarily)

I've changed physicians many a times because I didn't like how they

made " me " feel. If I don't feel that we are both interested in

helping my child, then I won't continue seeing them. I know it is

hard, because you go through several and they are all the same. We

started seeing an environmental doctor, and it has been so much

better. We still have our pediatrician, though, because she is

close. And I think it is smart to have one, just in case of an

emergency. But I prefer the environmental doctor. Doctors are

taught to treat with drugs, surgery, and they make referrals. If

your child doesn't need either (based on their medical school

training) then there is nothing they can do. And they were taught in

medical school that autism is psychological. Therefore, they only

know to refer you to behaviorists for various things that come up.

But an environmental doctor has the philosophy that you can treat

various symptoms through other ways. This incudes diet, nutrition,

allergy treatments, immunology, chelation, etc. They systematically

start working on your symptoms.

If you are worried about cost, call and ask them ahead of time. I

put it off because I was worried, but their accountant came in and

met with me after I saw the doctor. She put us on a payment plan

that works for us. They are used to insurance covering part or none

of the treatments.

And they are doctors, so they can write in that they tested immune.

Just forward your child's records so they have it all.

Good luck with whatever you choose to do.

Shirley

> In a message dated 8/16/01 8:47:04 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

> weatherman6001@a... writes:

>

> > he laughed and patted me on the shoulder and told me a was just

> > a nervous new mother and that nothing ever really happens.

>

> thanks for the response..i've been called a neurotic mom..by an er

doctor at

> 2am when my son was vomiting across the room at less then a year

old..i've

> overheard ..previous peds' nursers making negative comments about

me..for

> taking my son there every day for a week to get weighted because he

was

> losing it at both ends.. end result ..gastro-interitis (sp) ..i've

went to

> countless doctors..telling my nothing is wrong with my son..boys

are later

> then girls.give it six more months..then six more..this double six

months

> recommended by a neurologist..made me miss early intervention..i've

ended up

> having a witness with me at every doctors' and school visit..sad

huh? but

> finally i did get someone to dx my son last year with autism..after

a year of

> therapy he's been moved to high functioning/aspergers..my fear is

him losing

> that after the vaccine..thanks again and have a good night

>

August 17, 2001

> hi all..first off i'm sorry to keep asking the same question

here..but

> honesly..my son's 4-year old shots are due on monday..and i'm scared

to

> death..to give them to him and equally to not give them to him..

>

> i had his immunity tested for mmr and chicken pox..both came back

showing his

> was immune..however..his ped is still putting pressure on me to

have the

> shots..i clearly dont understand his thinking..why give something

that is

> already there?

You are assuming that what goes on in the pede's head passes for

thought. It doesn't or he'd agree with you.

> then it was suggested that, since a child is required to have two

measle shot

> for school or college and not the mumps and rubella..just give him

the measle

> shot.

There is no such requirement. You just have to sign forms if he

hasn't done it.

>again i'm wondering why if the immunity is present?

To create a health insurance billing event.

>i also asked then

> why is the mumps and rubella given if not required..answer..as a

> precaution..again why? if its there..why?

>

> then im presented with a theory..what happens if between now and the

time he

> needs to have him immunity checked..he loses that immunity and was

exposed

> for some period of time..ok now this sort of makes sense here..and

scares me

> to death..i would have no way of knowing when his immunity level

fell below

> what is sufficent to fight off these diseases.

These diseases are less dangerous than the thimerosal in the vaccines.

> i've also been told i'm " a brave women " taken such a chance with a

childs'

> life..

You are only brave if you flip off the pediatrician and find a real

doctor instead. The only risk you take with your child is that you

are considering letting the pede play vaccine roulette with him. The

disease risk is nil.

> i also can't confirm if his autism was brought on by his original

> vaccines..

Then it is absolutely contraindicated to get any more until you are

sure, isn't it? They are saying you should give him something that

might have been what turned him autistic. If it is the causal agent,

what will it do to him this time? No vaccines until you are sure what

caused the regression into autism.

>when he was a baby..he had the foul smelling, loose bms, extremely

> bad rash on his face and bottom. nothing worked to get rid of it..he

also was

> in hospital under two..twice for gastro-interitis(sp)..his speech

didn't come

> until he was 3.2 months....everything that fit into a " leaky gut "

> situation..but that all really diappeared...after i was divorced..so

i dont

> know..maybe he was stressing at the situation..before that time ..he

was

> really a handful..slept maybe six hours in a 24-hours period..didn't

> eat..cried all the time..the complete opposite as to what he is

now..now i

> think alot of that had to due to his lack of language..he was

frustrated..i

> was also in the hospital for a month with six months of therapy

after for an

> ms excerbation so he was with family alot..

MS is often due to mercury. Autism is often due to mercury.

Susceptibility to mercury is partly genetic, so with both of you

having a potentially mercury related condition you should avoid all

vaccines until you are sure that both of you got your problems from

other sources (or until you are both detoxed and well).

> ok anyway i'm sorry to ramble..i'm still left with 1. give vaccines;

The correct choice for your pediatrician's wallet and ego.

> 2. don't give vaccines;

The correct choice for your child and you.

> 3. give just the measles..

A variant of 1.

> i need a better understanding as to

> why..peds push if children are immune..

They don't know what they are doing, and the system rewards them for

pushing and vaccinating.

> thank you for all your patience and multiple answers to the same

> questions..diana

>

> [Non-text portions o

August 17, 2001

Having a long relationship with a doc would require first having

a doc that you want to have a relationship with!

Personally, I think that the time spent practicing how to tell

this doc what you are not going to do and the heartache spent

worrying about the doc's possible reations are too high a price

to pay.

There is nothing to " defend " here. You do not want your

child immunized. END OF STORY. This is not open to debate.

You get to decide. If your doc is unwilling to

go along with this and have a good attitude to boot, I think

looking for another doc is a good idea.

Beyond that, if YOU find the doc intimidating (which it seems

is the case) THEN this doctor becomes dangerous, since you

can be bullied into things, and since you spend valuable time

and energy on arguing, defending, researching, worrying, etc.

Just the mental anguish is a high price.......

Even if you decide to stay with this doc due to lack of options,

I agree with the others who have written: do NOT allow any

more immunizations.

Moria

At 09:57 PM 8/16/2001 EDT, you wrote:

>In a message dated 8/16/01 9:39:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

>ericshirl@... writes:

>

>> Look at your doctor directly and say simply, " The purpose of the

>> vaccine is to create immunity in my child, since he's already immune,

>> I see no point in sticking him unnecessarily. " (Then look at him

>> questioningly, as if you wonder why he would want to stick your child

>> unnecessarily)

>>

>

>i'm printing this and studying it verbatim..i jsut hope i dont freeze when

>i'm there..

>

>i've put off switching because this my 4th ped..i thought i wanted to

>establish some sort of longevity..i know..my borthers and sister and i saw

>the ped that delivered us..all into our early 20s..

>

>what is an environmental doctor..is that the same as a dan doctor?

>

>thanks diana

>

August 17, 2001

I know it is hard to find good help.

http://www.naturopathic.org/contact_aanp/stateassoclist.htm

this is a naturopathic directory and dan doctors have a directory as

well....I am going to call the ones in my state today........I'll keep

checking until I find someone..... Most peds are not very helpful. I know I

am still looking for a decent one. One that won't say there just isn't

anything that we can do or else they think you're a nut case cause you

believe in a mercury connection, yeast , etc..........When you do find one

that listens and helps then you can stay with them , but until that time

don't let them bully you. He ain't the one........They have no clue.. We

know more than they do . Unless they have a child or family member with

autism they probably know squat.....I am hoping for the day when they

actually treat an autistic child instead of throwing them to the wolves. We

don't have all that many choices and most of the parents are the " doctors "

cause there isn't enough help for us... Plain and simple .. Until that day

....we have to travel , search, go through doctors left and right to find a

decent one, hand out moneys that go to treatment that isn't reimbursed

etc........ We are all in the same boat. Lucky parents will find someone

right away.....I am still searching for a nearby doctor and my dan doctor is

getting out of the business......I know how it feels....... kelly

>

> establish some sort of longevity..i know..my borthers and sister and i saw

> the ped that delivered us..all into our early 20s..

>

> what is an environmental doctor..is that the same as a dan doctor?

>

> thanks diana

0

August 17, 2001

I can't tell you what you should do, but I can tell you what I have done. I

fully immunized my first two children and they have PDD. I partially

immunized my third child and he had ADHD. I have not immunized my fourth

child and (so far) he is perfectly normal. I realize that this doesn't prove

anything to the scientists out there, but I am not taking the chance when I

see what it can do in my family. Good luck in your decision-making, and

remember that it is YOUR decision, and don't feel pressured to make any

decision either way. Make it in your own good time.

By the way, I just signed a waiver for my partially vaccinated son to go to

school, etc. No problem.

-Phyllis

[ ] (no subject)

> hi all..first off i'm sorry to keep asking the same question here..but

> honesly..my son's 4-year old shots are due on monday..and i'm scared to

> death..to give them to him and equally to not give them to him..

>

> i had his immunity tested for mmr and chicken pox..both came back showing

his

> was immune..however..his ped is still putting pressure on me to have the

> shots..i clearly dont understand his thinking..why give something that is

> already there?

>

> then it was suggested that, since a child is required to have two measle

shot

> for school or college and not the mumps and rubella..just give him the

measle

> shot. again i'm wondering why if the immunity is present? i also asked

then

> why is the mumps and rubella given if not required..answer..as a

> precaution..again why? if its there..why?

>

> then im presented with a theory..what happens if between now and the time

he

> needs to have him immunity checked..he loses that immunity and was exposed

> for some period of time..ok now this sort of makes sense here..and scares

me

> to death..i would have no way of knowing when his immunity level fell

below

> what is sufficent to fight off these diseases.

>

> i've also been told i'm " a brave women " taken such a chance with a childs'

> life..

>

> i also can't confirm if his autism was brought on by his original

> vaccines..when he was a baby..he had the foul smelling, loose bms,

extremely

> bad rash on his face and bottom. nothing worked to get rid of it..he also

was

> in hospital under two..twice for gastro-interitis(sp)..his speech didn't

come

> until he was 3.2 months....everything that fit into a " leaky gut "

> situation..but that all really diappeared...after i was divorced..so i

dont

> know..maybe he was stressing at the situation..before that time ..he was

> really a handful..slept maybe six hours in a 24-hours period..didn't

> eat..cried all the time..the complete opposite as to what he is now..now i

> think alot of that had to due to his lack of language..he was

frustrated..i

> was also in the hospital for a month with six months of therapy after for

an

> ms excerbation so he was with family alot..

>

> ok anyway i'm sorry to ramble..i'm still left with 1. give vaccines; 2.

don't

> give vaccines; 3. give just the measles..i need a better understanding as

to

> why..peds push if children are immune..

>

> thank you for all your patience and multiple answers to the same

> questions..diana

>

August 19, 2001

Diane,

I know what you mean about trying to build a rapport with a doctor

because of switching. lol

Our environmental doctor is on the DAN list. But I believe that

there are a variety of specialties of doctors on the DAN list.

Environmental Doctors have a different approach then many doctors.

That's why much of their services are not covered by insurance. But

they are real doctors. Ours used to be a pediatrician before he

changed the nature of his practice due to a personal medical crisis

wake-up call. Our Environmental Doctor is an allergist too. Some

things that I noticed he treats the most are allergies, thyroid

problems, Candida, EDTA chelation (not for heavy metals), immunology,

and I'm sure there are more. This is what I gathered from literature

from his office. Since he is on the DAN list, he goes straight

through the DAN protocol treatment book.

I also found out that if we would have brought my son in for

allergies, some of it would have been covered by insurance.

(something to remember)

Good luck with your pediatrician! I hope it goes well.

> In a message dated 8/16/01 9:39:17 PM Eastern Daylight Time,

> ericshirl@h... writes:

>

> > Look at your doctor directly and say simply, " The purpose of the

> > vaccine is to create immunity in my child, since he's already

immune,

> > I see no point in sticking him unnecessarily. " (Then look at him

> > questioningly, as if you wonder why he would want to stick your

child

> > unnecessarily)

> >

>

> i'm printing this and studying it verbatim..i jsut hope i dont

freeze when

> i'm there..

>

> i've put off switching because this my 4th ped..i thought i wanted

to

> establish some sort of longevity..i know..my borthers and sister

and i saw

> the ped that delivered us..all into our early 20s..

>

> what is an environmental doctor..is that the same as a dan doctor?

>

> thanks diana

>

September 18, 2001

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