Guest guest Posted October 19, 2002 Report Share Posted October 19, 2002 Hello All, > Here is our newest adventures, we meet with Dr.F, and he wants to take 's case. We will, see the pain Doc. there, and they are consindering the possiablity of a Morphine pump, I know I have heard them mentioned here, if you have one, does it help, and how long have you been on it. Also, he wants to do some more tests, was curious about the hiccups, and headaches, he wanted to know if they ruled out Arnold Chiari. Also, I asked him about that Arachnachodist, and he said he was pretty sure that is what she has. I thought that was kind of funny since I asked the other NSG, and they said they didn't think so. Dear Tommi, I'm so glad you've found someone who will work to help with her problems. We talked a little but about arachnoditis before - I know it can be very difficult to get complete, accurate information about this. I'm also a member of a spinal cord tumor support group (I had an L1-L2 ependymoma, a tumor just beneath the spinal cord). Since many of us have long-term problems from arachnoid adhesions, including tethering/tethered cord, I've compiled a lot of the information I have under several posts to that group. I'm going to go ahead and copy one of these posts here, especially because it has within it several links to other websites. I'm not going to change the wording of the text, so just keep in mind that I wrote it to a group of people who all have had intradural surgery to remove a spinal tumor. In general, though, most of the things I say in the post apply to people who have arachnoid adhesions from any type of intradural surgery. EXCERPT FROM POST ON ARACHNOIDITIS Hello, This is actually in regards to the issues brought up by Sharma in her post " found the ROOT of my pain. " I've accumulated a certain amount of information about arachnoiditis/arachnoid adhesions/arachnoid scar tissue, so I wanted to make a separate post with the word " arachnoiditis " in the title. That way, people can refer back to it by doing a keyword search. I will add to this post over time as I have a chance. Let me first define my terms. The arachnoid layer is a delicate, web-like tissue lining the inside of the dura, surrounding the spinal cord and nerve roots. It is involved in regulating the normal flow of cerebrospinal fluid (CSF) and CSF nutrients. The arachnoid membrane is exquisitely reactive to any foreign substance, including the presence of blood in the CSF. Normally, the intradural space is a pristine, protected environment, which does not allow access to inflammatory substances that may be present in the blood or other places in the body. When these substances do show up in the CSF, the cells of the arachnoid layer react with an exaggerated inflammatory cascade. During this phase, the areas of the arachnoid layer that are inflamed become thickened and " sticky " . The nerve roots may become stuck to each other, stuck to the dura, or cause the spinal cord itself to be stuck to the dura. The natural course of the inflammation is that the sticky spots eventually are replaced by mature scar tissue, which is permanent. This is similar, in the broadest possible sense, to the way your body heals elsewhere. The sticky glue of the inflammatory phase becomes replaced by more cement-like, tight scar tissue. Areas that were temporarily stuck together while inflamed may now be permanently stuck. The " stuck " spots are called " arachnoid adhesions. " All of us who have had spinal surgery are likely to have arachnoid adhesions or arachnoid scarring somewhere, even if only at a microscopic level. This is simply because even the most careful intradural surgery will allow tiny amounts of blood or other irritating substances to enter the cerebrospinal fluid. Where those substances come in contact with the arachnoid layer, you may have tiny, local spots of scarring/adhesions. For most of us, these adhesions don't cause symptoms. They may or may not show up on MRI as " nerve clumping " , but often the scarring/adhesions are not visible, because the MRI resolution is not fine enough. So it's important to understand that the terms " arachnoid scarring " and " arachnoid adhesions " represent a broad spectrum. It's a description of what's found at the level of the cells themselves, and says nothing about whether the adhesions are adversely affecting the nervous system or causing symptoms. Now for " arachnoiditis. " Any " -itis " means inflammation - technically. But surgeons are now often using the term " arachnoiditis " to mean both the actual inflammation of the arachnoid layer, as well as the permanent adhesions/ scarring that forms as a result of this inflammation, long after the inflammation is spent. This can be extremely confusing, because different surgeons then mean different things when they use the word. If they say you have " arachnoiditis " , they may just be saying that you have arachnoid adhesions and scarring. Why does this matter? Because there are conditions in which there's an ONGOING inflammation of the arachnoid layer - in which there's a widespread, continued inflammatory reaction through many areas of the spinal canal. This is a differnt entity than simple, local arachnoid adhesions. It tends to have somewhat different causes, to have a different prognosis, and also is much easier to see on an MRI (because the reaction tends to be more extensive). Radiologists and neurologists may be looking for these things when they read your MRI for signs of " arachnoiditis. " However, plain old arachnoid adhesions may be much more difficult to spot, even when they're causing significant symptoms. In all this confusion, diagnosis can be muddled, as radiologists/neurologists say there's " nothing there " . I am going to give some of the websites I have found on arachnoiditis. However, if you look at these sites, you have to keep a few things in mind. These sites tend to be slanted towards a particular subset of people who have widespread arachnoiditis resulting from one particular medical disaster: the use (up until the 1980's or so) of very toxic, oil-based contrast dyes injected into the CSF for myelograms to image the spine. Because this dye has been shown to cause horrific arachnoiditis (meaning, an ongoing, widespread inflammation), it has been replaced by safer water-based dyes - and also just by avoiding myelograms altogether, with the invention of MRI. But there are many patients now living with the consequences of repeated myelograms done in the '60's and '70's. You will see their stories on these websites. Those of us on the spinal cord tumor support site who have arachnoid adhesions usually have them as a result of our surgeries, or as a result of radiation to control the tumor growth. We're more likely to be in the category of having arachnoid adhesions/scar tissue, with no ongoing inflammation - but that scar tissue can be bad enough. Why would the arachnoid adhesions cause symptoms? What would those symptoms be? That's a subject for another, very long post. But briefly, I'll say that there are a few general mechanisms by which arachnoid adhesions can cause serious damage to the nervous system. First, the thickened arachnoid layer can basically strangle the nerves, preventing normal nutrient supply from the blood and CSF. Symptoms of this are general symptoms of nerve unhappiness/damage: pain, numbness, weakness, and many other things depending on which particular nerves are affected. This happens more if the adhesive scar tissue is quite extensive and surrounds the nerves. The arachnoid adhesions can also interfere with the normal flow of CSF throughout the spinal canal, which has in some cases been linked to development of something called syringomyelia (a hollowing-out, or cyst, within the spinal cord). More common are the effects caused by the nerves and spinal cord being stuck/tethered to each other or to the dura. The spinal nervous system is meant to be extremely mobile - as you move, sit, bend over, run, twist, stretch, the spinal cord and the nerves attached to it are constantly moving with respect to the spinal canal. Just tucking your chin to your chest has been shown on MRI to cause about a 2-cm upward movement of the normal spinal cord. However, if the nerves are cemented stuck somewhere by arachnoid scarring, this may limit the normal movement of either the nerve roots or the spinal cord. When you move, your nerves/cord don't - they just get pulled, sometimes quite badly. This can cause temporary or permanent symptoms of nerve unhappiness - again, pain, numbness, tingling, weakness, muscle cramping, bowel/bladder problems, muscle twitching, plus a whole slew of other things depending on which specific nerve or area of the spinal cord is affected. Permanent damage to the nerves and/or cord can sometimes result if body movement is abrupt (like a fall, a car accident, etc), or if you put yourself in a position that puts a prolonged stretch on the nerves or cord. The effects of nerve tethering are my main problem, and you can see more of my story under my previous post on " tethered cord. " So with those notes, I'll pass on some websites. The most comprehensive site I've found is www.aboutarachnoiditis.org, based in New Zealand. This site has links to most of the other sites, info for patients and health professionals. One neurosurgeon in the US who has written a great deal about arachnoiditis is Dr. Burton in Minneapolis, and his general website is www.burtonreport.com. This site is a real mixed bag (he writes about whatever issue he feels strongly about, including politics), but I add it because his information on arachnoiditis is quite thorough, with many diagrams and photos. You have to look for it under his general section on spinal disorders. There's a physican in the UK, Dr. , who has arachnoiditis herself, and has written quite extensively about it. You can find her articles at www.arachnoiditis.net. I found parts of this extremely informative. There's also a Yahoo support group on arachnoiditis, called " Circle of Friends with Arachnoiditis " . The address is: http://www.cofwa.org. I will keep adding notes to this post as more information comes my way. If you have websites that you've found helpful, add them on! And if you have specific questions about what I've said, it might be nice if you could post them here. There are many of us corresponding individually about this, telling the same stories, so I thought it might help if people could refer to each others' questions and what has been answered before. Even though arachnoiditis is a separate diagnosis, I think it's worth having this information available as part of the spinal tumor support group, because it's a common problem that in one way or another may affect many of us after surgery. Best wishes, Kirsten klr818@... ------------------------------------------------------------------------ January 2000 resection of L1, L2 myxopapillary ependymoma (age 29). Now complicated by focal arachnoiditis and tethered spinal cord. E-mail: klr818@... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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