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Hi,

Yes I have a suggestion for you. It might do you well to have them check your

adrenal glands to make sure they are funcitoning well enough in a crisis. When

the body gets an infection or calls on extra cortisol, there has to be enough in

your adrenal reserves to cover the extra need for energy to fight what ever in a

lot of cases bladder infecitons that are not obvious yet.

 

Your symptoms sound a lot like adrenal insufficiency. Were you using

corticosteroids in your life at any time or usng them now?

 

Let us know how you are doing ok?

 

>To: " Stillsdisease " <Stillsdisease >

>Sent: Monday, July 9, 2012 12:21 AM

>Subject: Re: Re:Hello Fran

>

>

> 

>Hi , and everyone else. I have only posted once. Mainly because I've been

in out of the hospitals lately. I just got married a few weeks ago and landed

back in the hospital the day before the fourth of July. I had fainted and right

in front of my hubby and complained of migraines and had fevers and feeling

fatigued all day. I woke up to finding four paramedics in my home and rushed to

the E.R. Once there many tests were performed and once again they ran the usual

tests along with the cultures to test for any bacterias for a UTI bladder inf

etc..of course it came back for a bladder infection. As i've been fighting these

for over a year and a half now. I'm at the point where my fatigue,constant lower

back pain,joint pain,chills,spiking fevers,rashes,and chronic migraines have me

wondering if this truly is ADULT STILLS DISEASE and not something else. I've

been to every specialist out there. I've exhausted them all. I've now started on

a waiting list

>with the MAYO CLINIC and was told it would be six months. So now I am pretty

much a advocate for myself. I'm feeling all alone in this and don't know what to

think. I'm always in pain. Depressed and losing hope. I use to love my job and

looked forward to working and now I have hired a lawyer and looked into

collecting disability. I never thought this would be my life. It's frustrating.

I am looking to get a second a opinion from U.W. I feel the CIPRO they have put

me back on will not have any affect on me. The methotrioxate has helped with the

flare ups to some degree I must add. I free in some areas it has helped. Any

suggestions or ideas would be greatly appreciated. Thank you so kindly...Take

Care...

>

>________________________________

>From: Francesca Fair <mailto:francescafair%40hotmail.co.uk>

>To: Stills Disease <mailto:stillsdisease%40yahoogroups.com>

>Sent: Friday, July 6, 2012 3:00 AM

>Subject: RE: Re:Hello Fran

>

>

> 

>

>Dear , I'm so sorry it has taken me a while to write you. Like Holly, my

heart hurt when I read about how alone you feel, and I think you are really

brave to talk about that here. Functioning every day just feels like an uphill

fight, doesn't it? It took me a long time to realise that part of my problem

with that was I was " fighting the fight, " if that makes sense? Punishing myself

when I can't do things, either by forcing myself to do them - and suffering even

more for it - or being angry / upset / depressed about them...feeling as though

I had failed. OK: here's the grandmother and eggs story - d'all use that

phrase??? " Teaching your Grandmother to suck eggs " ? One of the biggest things I

have learned from this family is about pacing and planning. And, I don't get it

right - I haven't got it right this past two weeks and landed myself in a big

mess (hence the delay in replying....). There is a good section on this on the

Stills Foundation

>website, and it does take practise and diligence. Oh so easy to throw the plan

out of the window when you are having a " good " day, right? And then again,

somedays you will have the grand plan, and have it all mapped out but it goes

pear shaped. What am I trying to say here? A skeleton plan, whether that's by

day or by week, whatever you can manage, is something that works for me - and

remembering to give yourself a pat on the back is an important part of that. At

the same time, it is only skeleton and if it doesn't work out, it doesn't work

out and you have not failed. In fact, you have won by perhaps curtailing the

plan, or ditching something from it altogether, because you have recognised it's

too much and reigned yourself in. I wonder how other peoples' planning goes and

works out? My big lesson the last two weeks - I still cannot cope with

incorporating the unexpected. I think I can / thought I could, but I can't.

Furthermore, I need to be

>firmer with others in saying " no, I can't do that. Thank you, that's a lovely

idea, but no. " It's not letting them down, it's not letting yourself down. You

are being kind to yourself. Which I suppose brings me on to other people and the

sense of isolation. Ach, , I just don't know what to say. It must be so

hard for friends and family who one minute see us being " ok " (I'm sure you have

the cover up down as well as the rest of us), and the next minute in a complete

mess. On the other side, I know I feel that one minute they are understanding

and I am overwhelmed by their kindesses, the next, I feel so hurt by an apparent

lack of understanding and I am screaming inside " why can't you see? Why do you

make me spell this out to you every, single time? " What is your situation,

? Do you live alone, or with family? What's the set up? I wonder if it

would be useful to hear from friends / family - their story? It would seem like

a timely

>moment for that if there is anyone out there prepared to offer their

perspective or experiences. Hugs to you all - and you are not alone, . I'm

so sorry it took me a while to reply. Please do let us know how you are going.

Fran x

>To: mailto:Stillsdisease%40yahoogroups.com

>From: mailto:angela6_21%40hotmail.com

>Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 02:34:34 +0000

>Subject: Re:Hello Fran

>

>Honestly Fran I don't know how I function day in and day out. At times when I

am surrounded by people I feel very much alone. No one around me understands

what I feel or go through except this group of people.

>

>.

>

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Hi , So sorry for getting back to you late. I haven't been feeling well.

Still having such pain with the bladder infection and the fatigue is horrible! I

can't stand it. It makes every day life a struggle. Just for me to get ready to

go to my Rhem this morning took me over two hours. To answer your questions,hun,

I've been on cortisone injections before and prednisone and now methotrioxate

for the stills. Yet when I went to see my specialist today I still complained of

the constant pain and burning I was having,lower right back pain and sharp pain

in the pelvic area. She agreed to have me stop taking the Methotrioxate, seeing

as I have an infection.Or do I? She said the culture came back negative...so why

am I on Cipro then? And not to mention for the tenth billion time. No one seems

to have answers. The Urologist in Madison actually said that this was all

related to my stills yet my Rhem specialist didn't agree. So now I have a appt

for a

Immunologist but can't get in until Oct 3rd. I'm also on a waiting list for

MAYO for up to six months. I don't have the best insurance. (sigh) I've never

had my adrenal glands checked. I know back in 09 I had to have a biopsy on my

Thyroid Nodules. It came back fine. I really appreciate the advice and

suggestions you've made and will look further into this. THANK YOU SO

MUCH!!!!!!!! My point is I don't know why all these doctors continue to push

these antibiotics on me when they just don't work. I've become so depressed this

past year or so and losing hope in the medical system. I'm even thinking that

since I'm gonna be going to UW in Madison to just start all over and get second

opinions maybe even third. Can't hurt. Again, thanks so kindly. Truly,

:)

________________________________

To: " Stillsdisease " <Stillsdisease >

Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 1:56 AM

Subject: Re: Re:Hello Fran/

 

Hi,

Yes I have a suggestion for you. It might do you well to have them check your

adrenal glands to make sure they are funcitoning well enough in a crisis. When

the body gets an infection or calls on extra cortisol, there has to be enough in

your adrenal reserves to cover the extra need for energy to fight what ever in a

lot of cases bladder infecitons that are not obvious yet.

 

Your symptoms sound a lot like adrenal insufficiency. Were you using

corticosteroids in your life at any time or usng them now?

 

Let us know how you are doing ok?

 

>To: " Stillsdisease " <Stillsdisease >

>Sent: Monday, July 9, 2012 12:21 AM

>Subject: Re: Re:Hello Fran

>

>

> 

>Hi , and everyone else. I have only posted once. Mainly because I've been

in out of the hospitals lately. I just got married a few weeks ago and landed

back in the hospital the day before the fourth of July. I had fainted and right

in front of my hubby and complained of migraines and had fevers and feeling

fatigued all day. I woke up to finding four paramedics in my home and rushed to

the E.R. Once there many tests were performed and once again they ran the usual

tests along with the cultures to test for any bacterias for a UTI bladder inf

etc..of course it came back for a bladder infection. As i've been fighting these

for over a year and a half now. I'm at the point where my fatigue,constant lower

back pain,joint pain,chills,spiking fevers,rashes,and chronic migraines have me

wondering if this truly is ADULT STILLS DISEASE and not something else. I've

been to every specialist out there. I've exhausted them all. I've now started on

a waiting list

>with the MAYO CLINIC and was told it would be six months. So now I am pretty

much a advocate for myself. I'm feeling all alone in this and don't know what to

think. I'm always in pain. Depressed and losing hope. I use to love my job and

looked forward to working and now I have hired a lawyer and looked into

collecting disability. I never thought this would be my life. It's frustrating.

I am looking to get a second a opinion from U.W. I feel the CIPRO they have put

me back on will not have any affect on me. The methotrioxate has helped with the

flare ups to some degree I must add. I free in some areas it has helped. Any

suggestions or ideas would be greatly appreciated. Thank you so kindly...Take

Care...

>

>________________________________

>From: Francesca Fair <mailto:francescafair%40hotmail.co.uk>

>To: Stills Disease <mailto:stillsdisease%40yahoogroups.com>

>Sent: Friday, July 6, 2012 3:00 AM

>Subject: RE: Re:Hello Fran

>

>

> 

>

>Dear , I'm so sorry it has taken me a while to write you. Like Holly, my

heart hurt when I read about how alone you feel, and I think you are really

brave to talk about that here. Functioning every day just feels like an uphill

fight, doesn't it? It took me a long time to realise that part of my problem

with that was I was " fighting the fight, " if that makes sense? Punishing myself

when I can't do things, either by forcing myself to do them - and suffering even

more for it - or being angry / upset / depressed about them...feeling as though

I had failed. OK: here's the grandmother and eggs story - d'all use that

phrase??? " Teaching your Grandmother to suck eggs " ? One of the biggest things I

have learned from this family is about pacing and planning. And, I don't get it

right - I haven't got it right this past two weeks and landed myself in a big

mess (hence the delay in replying....). There is a good section on this on the

Stills Foundation

>website, and it does take practise and diligence. Oh so easy to throw the plan

out of the window when you are having a " good " day, right? And then again,

somedays you will have the grand plan, and have it all mapped out but it goes

pear shaped. What am I trying to say here? A skeleton plan, whether that's by

day or by week, whatever you can manage, is something that works for me - and

remembering to give yourself a pat on the back is an important part of that. At

the same time, it is only skeleton and if it doesn't work out, it doesn't work

out and you have not failed. In fact, you have won by perhaps curtailing the

plan, or ditching something from it altogether, because you have recognised it's

too much and reigned yourself in. I wonder how other peoples' planning goes and

works out? My big lesson the last two weeks - I still cannot cope with

incorporating the unexpected. I think I can / thought I could, but I can't.

Furthermore, I need to be

>firmer with others in saying " no, I can't do that. Thank you, that's a lovely

idea, but no. " It's not letting them down, it's not letting yourself down. You

are being kind to yourself. Which I suppose brings me on to other people and the

sense of isolation. Ach, , I just don't know what to say. It must be so

hard for friends and family who one minute see us being " ok " (I'm sure you have

the cover up down as well as the rest of us), and the next minute in a complete

mess. On the other side, I know I feel that one minute they are understanding

and I am overwhelmed by their kindesses, the next, I feel so hurt by an apparent

lack of understanding and I am screaming inside " why can't you see? Why do you

make me spell this out to you every, single time? " What is your situation,

? Do you live alone, or with family? What's the set up? I wonder if it

would be useful to hear from friends / family - their story? It would seem like

a timely

>moment for that if there is anyone out there prepared to offer their

perspective or experiences. Hugs to you all - and you are not alone, . I'm

so sorry it took me a while to reply. Please do let us know how you are going.

Fran x

>To: mailto:Stillsdisease%40yahoogroups.com

>From: mailto:angela6_21%40hotmail.com

>Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 02:34:34 +0000

>Subject: Re:Hello Fran

>

>Honestly Fran I don't know how I function day in and day out. At times when I

am surrounded by people I feel very much alone. No one around me understands

what I feel or go through except this group of people.

>

>.

>

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Hi ,

You hang in there are I'll be praying for you.  Thanks for responding, even

though you are not feeling well sweetie.  Just rest and comfort yourself.

Time will tell, and that's about all we can count on at times.

 

My daughter went through Mayo Clinic evaluation for her Still's. Unfortunately

they would not give her a definite dianosis by exclusion only, so it was a waste

of time.  She is on her third evaluation now and likes this new Rheumy. He has

her back on Kinert which she always did quite well with.

 

I have some roots of family not far form you in Madison, my Italian Granmother

happened to be born in Milliwakee.  The family settled from Italy in that area

and fished. Then they relocated to fish the open seas in San Diego where I am

not born a second generation and still live here.

 

Some day I would like to come visit my roots in WI. Are the winters hard on you?

I can never get cool enough, so a colder climit might do well with me. And I

hate heat so much and we have that tropical humid resort type climate right now.

I did sit in the pool yesterday for 2 hours here at my condo, and that helped

cool off a bit.

 

Best of luck to you honey. Keep taking good care of yourself and keep me posted

on how things are going with you ok?

 

Love, Peace, and Joy,

 

 

>To: " Stillsdisease " <Stillsdisease >

>Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 12:17 AM

>Subject: Re: Re:Hello Fran/

>

>

> 

>Hi , So sorry for getting back to you late. I haven't been feeling well.

Still having such pain with the bladder infection and the fatigue is horrible! I

can't stand it. It makes every day life a struggle. Just for me to get ready to

go to my Rhem this morning took me over two hours. To answer your questions,hun,

I've been on cortisone injections before and prednisone and now methotrioxate

for the stills. Yet when I went to see my specialist today I still complained of

the constant pain and burning I was having,lower right back pain and sharp pain

in the pelvic area. She agreed to have me stop taking the Methotrioxate, seeing

as I have an infection.Or do I? She said the culture came back negative...so why

am I on Cipro then? And not to mention for the tenth billion time. No one seems

to have answers. The Urologist in Madison actually said that this was all

related to my stills yet my Rhem specialist didn't agree. So now I have a appt

for a

>Immunologist but can't get in until Oct 3rd. I'm also on a waiting list for

MAYO for up to six months. I don't have the best insurance. (sigh) I've never

had my adrenal glands checked. I know back in 09 I had to have a biopsy on my

Thyroid Nodules. It came back fine. I really appreciate the advice and

suggestions you've made and will look further into this. THANK YOU SO

MUCH!!!!!!!! My point is I don't know why all these doctors continue to push

these antibiotics on me when they just don't work. I've become so depressed this

past year or so and losing hope in the medical system. I'm even thinking that

since I'm gonna be going to UW in Madison to just start all over and get second

opinions maybe even third. Can't hurt. Again, thanks so kindly. Truly,

>

>:)

>

>________________________________

>From: Butterfly Chaser <mailto:butterflychaser999%40yahoo.com>

>To: " mailto:Stillsdisease%40yahoogroups.com "

<mailto:Stillsdisease%40yahoogroups.com>

>Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 1:56 AM

>Subject: Re: Re:Hello Fran/

>

>

> 

>Hi,

>Yes I have a suggestion for you. It might do you well to have them check your

adrenal glands to make sure they are funcitoning well enough in a crisis. When

the body gets an infection or calls on extra cortisol, there has to be enough in

your adrenal reserves to cover the extra need for energy to fight what ever in a

lot of cases bladder infecitons that are not obvious yet.

> 

>Your symptoms sound a lot like adrenal insufficiency. Were you using

corticosteroids in your life at any time or usng them now?

> 

>Let us know how you are doing ok?

> 

>

>

>From: manfredini <mailto:vbm1972%40yahoo.com>

>>To: " mailto:Stillsdisease%40yahoogroups.com "

<mailto:Stillsdisease%40yahoogroups.com>

>>Sent: Monday, July 9, 2012 12:21 AM

>>Subject: Re: Re:Hello Fran

>>

>>

>> 

>>Hi , and everyone else. I have only posted once. Mainly because I've

been in out of the hospitals lately. I just got married a few weeks ago and

landed back in the hospital the day before the fourth of July. I had fainted and

right in front of my hubby and complained of migraines and had fevers and

feeling fatigued all day. I woke up to finding four paramedics in my home and

rushed to the E.R. Once there many tests were performed and once again they ran

the usual tests along with the cultures to test for any bacterias for a UTI

bladder inf etc..of course it came back for a bladder infection. As i've been

fighting these for over a year and a half now. I'm at the point where my

fatigue,constant lower back pain,joint pain,chills,spiking fevers,rashes,and

chronic migraines have me wondering if this truly is ADULT STILLS DISEASE and

not something else. I've been to every specialist out there. I've exhausted them

all. I've now started on a waiting list

>>with the MAYO CLINIC and was told it would be six months. So now I am pretty

much a advocate for myself. I'm feeling all alone in this and don't know what to

think. I'm always in pain. Depressed and losing hope. I use to love my job and

looked forward to working and now I have hired a lawyer and looked into

collecting disability. I never thought this would be my life. It's frustrating.

I am looking to get a second a opinion from U.W. I feel the CIPRO they have put

me back on will not have any affect on me. The methotrioxate has helped with the

flare ups to some degree I must add. I free in some areas it has helped. Any

suggestions or ideas would be greatly appreciated. Thank you so kindly...Take

Care...

>>

>>________________________________

>>From: Francesca Fair <mailto:francescafair%40hotmail.co.uk>

>>To: Stills Disease <mailto:stillsdisease%40yahoogroups.com>

>>Sent: Friday, July 6, 2012 3:00 AM

>>Subject: RE: Re:Hello Fran

>>

>>

>> 

>>

>>Dear , I'm so sorry it has taken me a while to write you. Like Holly, my

heart hurt when I read about how alone you feel, and I think you are really

brave to talk about that here. Functioning every day just feels like an uphill

fight, doesn't it? It took me a long time to realise that part of my problem

with that was I was " fighting the fight, " if that makes sense? Punishing myself

when I can't do things, either by forcing myself to do them - and suffering even

more for it - or being angry / upset / depressed about them...feeling as though

I had failed. OK: here's the grandmother and eggs story - d'all use that

phrase??? " Teaching your Grandmother to suck eggs " ? One of the biggest things I

have learned from this family is about pacing and planning. And, I don't get it

right - I haven't got it right this past two weeks and landed myself in a big

mess (hence the delay in replying....). There is a good section on this on the

Stills Foundation

>>website, and it does take practise and diligence. Oh so easy to throw the plan

out of the window when you are having a " good " day, right? And then again,

somedays you will have the grand plan, and have it all mapped out but it goes

pear shaped. What am I trying to say here? A skeleton plan, whether that's by

day or by week, whatever you can manage, is something that works for me - and

remembering to give yourself a pat on the back is an important part of that. At

the same time, it is only skeleton and if it doesn't work out, it doesn't work

out and you have not failed. In fact, you have won by perhaps curtailing the

plan, or ditching something from it altogether, because you have recognised it's

too much and reigned yourself in. I wonder how other peoples' planning goes and

works out? My big lesson the last two weeks - I still cannot cope with

incorporating the unexpected. I think I can / thought I could, but I can't.

Furthermore, I need to be

>>firmer with others in saying " no, I can't do that. Thank you, that's a lovely

idea, but no. " It's not letting them down, it's not letting yourself down. You

are being kind to yourself. Which I suppose brings me on to other people and the

sense of isolation. Ach, , I just don't know what to say. It must be so

hard for friends and family who one minute see us being " ok " (I'm sure you have

the cover up down as well as the rest of us), and the next minute in a complete

mess. On the other side, I know I feel that one minute they are understanding

and I am overwhelmed by their kindesses, the next, I feel so hurt by an apparent

lack of understanding and I am screaming inside " why can't you see? Why do you

make me spell this out to you every, single time? " What is your situation,

? Do you live alone, or with family? What's the set up? I wonder if it

would be useful to hear from friends / family - their story? It would seem like

a timely

>>moment for that if there is anyone out there prepared to offer their

perspective or experiences. Hugs to you all - and you are not alone, . I'm

so sorry it took me a while to reply. Please do let us know how you are going.

Fran x

>>To: mailto:Stillsdisease%40yahoogroups.com

>>From: mailto:angela6_21%40hotmail.com

>>Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 02:34:34 +0000

>>Subject: Re:Hello Fran

>>

>>Honestly Fran I don't know how I function day in and day out. At times when I

am surrounded by people I feel very much alone. No one around me understands

what I feel or go through except this group of people.

>>

>>.

>>

>>

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Hi ,

You hang in there are I'll be praying for you.  Thanks for responding, even

though you are not feeling well sweetie.  Just rest and comfort yourself.

Time will tell, and that's about all we can count on at times.

 

My daughter went through Mayo Clinic evaluation for her Still's. Unfortunately

they would not give her a definite dianosis by exclusion only, so it was a waste

of time.  She is on her third evaluation now and likes this new Rheumy. He has

her back on Kinert which she always did quite well with.

 

I have some roots of family not far form you in Madison, my Italian Granmother

happened to be born in Milliwakee.  The family settled from Italy in that area

and fished. Then they relocated to fish the open seas in San Diego where I am

not born a second generation and still live here.

 

Some day I would like to come visit my roots in WI. Are the winters hard on you?

I can never get cool enough, so a colder climit might do well with me. And I

hate heat so much and we have that tropical humid resort type climate right now.

I did sit in the pool yesterday for 2 hours here at my condo, and that helped

cool off a bit.

 

Best of luck to you honey. Keep taking good care of yourself and keep me posted

on how things are going with you ok?

 

Love, Peace, and Joy,

 

 

>To: " Stillsdisease " <Stillsdisease >

>Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 12:17 AM

>Subject: Re: Re:Hello Fran/

>

>

> 

>Hi , So sorry for getting back to you late. I haven't been feeling well.

Still having such pain with the bladder infection and the fatigue is horrible! I

can't stand it. It makes every day life a struggle. Just for me to get ready to

go to my Rhem this morning took me over two hours. To answer your questions,hun,

I've been on cortisone injections before and prednisone and now methotrioxate

for the stills. Yet when I went to see my specialist today I still complained of

the constant pain and burning I was having,lower right back pain and sharp pain

in the pelvic area. She agreed to have me stop taking the Methotrioxate, seeing

as I have an infection.Or do I? She said the culture came back negative...so why

am I on Cipro then? And not to mention for the tenth billion time. No one seems

to have answers. The Urologist in Madison actually said that this was all

related to my stills yet my Rhem specialist didn't agree. So now I have a appt

for a

>Immunologist but can't get in until Oct 3rd. I'm also on a waiting list for

MAYO for up to six months. I don't have the best insurance. (sigh) I've never

had my adrenal glands checked. I know back in 09 I had to have a biopsy on my

Thyroid Nodules. It came back fine. I really appreciate the advice and

suggestions you've made and will look further into this. THANK YOU SO

MUCH!!!!!!!! My point is I don't know why all these doctors continue to push

these antibiotics on me when they just don't work. I've become so depressed this

past year or so and losing hope in the medical system. I'm even thinking that

since I'm gonna be going to UW in Madison to just start all over and get second

opinions maybe even third. Can't hurt. Again, thanks so kindly. Truly,

>

>:)

>

>________________________________

>From: Butterfly Chaser <mailto:butterflychaser999%40yahoo.com>

>To: " mailto:Stillsdisease%40yahoogroups.com "

<mailto:Stillsdisease%40yahoogroups.com>

>Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 1:56 AM

>Subject: Re: Re:Hello Fran/

>

>

> 

>Hi,

>Yes I have a suggestion for you. It might do you well to have them check your

adrenal glands to make sure they are funcitoning well enough in a crisis. When

the body gets an infection or calls on extra cortisol, there has to be enough in

your adrenal reserves to cover the extra need for energy to fight what ever in a

lot of cases bladder infecitons that are not obvious yet.

> 

>Your symptoms sound a lot like adrenal insufficiency. Were you using

corticosteroids in your life at any time or usng them now?

> 

>Let us know how you are doing ok?

> 

>

>

>From: manfredini <mailto:vbm1972%40yahoo.com>

>>To: " mailto:Stillsdisease%40yahoogroups.com "

<mailto:Stillsdisease%40yahoogroups.com>

>>Sent: Monday, July 9, 2012 12:21 AM

>>Subject: Re: Re:Hello Fran

>>

>>

>> 

>>Hi , and everyone else. I have only posted once. Mainly because I've

been in out of the hospitals lately. I just got married a few weeks ago and

landed back in the hospital the day before the fourth of July. I had fainted and

right in front of my hubby and complained of migraines and had fevers and

feeling fatigued all day. I woke up to finding four paramedics in my home and

rushed to the E.R. Once there many tests were performed and once again they ran

the usual tests along with the cultures to test for any bacterias for a UTI

bladder inf etc..of course it came back for a bladder infection. As i've been

fighting these for over a year and a half now. I'm at the point where my

fatigue,constant lower back pain,joint pain,chills,spiking fevers,rashes,and

chronic migraines have me wondering if this truly is ADULT STILLS DISEASE and

not something else. I've been to every specialist out there. I've exhausted them

all. I've now started on a waiting list

>>with the MAYO CLINIC and was told it would be six months. So now I am pretty

much a advocate for myself. I'm feeling all alone in this and don't know what to

think. I'm always in pain. Depressed and losing hope. I use to love my job and

looked forward to working and now I have hired a lawyer and looked into

collecting disability. I never thought this would be my life. It's frustrating.

I am looking to get a second a opinion from U.W. I feel the CIPRO they have put

me back on will not have any affect on me. The methotrioxate has helped with the

flare ups to some degree I must add. I free in some areas it has helped. Any

suggestions or ideas would be greatly appreciated. Thank you so kindly...Take

Care...

>>

>>________________________________

>>From: Francesca Fair <mailto:francescafair%40hotmail.co.uk>

>>To: Stills Disease <mailto:stillsdisease%40yahoogroups.com>

>>Sent: Friday, July 6, 2012 3:00 AM

>>Subject: RE: Re:Hello Fran

>>

>>

>> 

>>

>>Dear , I'm so sorry it has taken me a while to write you. Like Holly, my

heart hurt when I read about how alone you feel, and I think you are really

brave to talk about that here. Functioning every day just feels like an uphill

fight, doesn't it? It took me a long time to realise that part of my problem

with that was I was " fighting the fight, " if that makes sense? Punishing myself

when I can't do things, either by forcing myself to do them - and suffering even

more for it - or being angry / upset / depressed about them...feeling as though

I had failed. OK: here's the grandmother and eggs story - d'all use that

phrase??? " Teaching your Grandmother to suck eggs " ? One of the biggest things I

have learned from this family is about pacing and planning. And, I don't get it

right - I haven't got it right this past two weeks and landed myself in a big

mess (hence the delay in replying....). There is a good section on this on the

Stills Foundation

>>website, and it does take practise and diligence. Oh so easy to throw the plan

out of the window when you are having a " good " day, right? And then again,

somedays you will have the grand plan, and have it all mapped out but it goes

pear shaped. What am I trying to say here? A skeleton plan, whether that's by

day or by week, whatever you can manage, is something that works for me - and

remembering to give yourself a pat on the back is an important part of that. At

the same time, it is only skeleton and if it doesn't work out, it doesn't work

out and you have not failed. In fact, you have won by perhaps curtailing the

plan, or ditching something from it altogether, because you have recognised it's

too much and reigned yourself in. I wonder how other peoples' planning goes and

works out? My big lesson the last two weeks - I still cannot cope with

incorporating the unexpected. I think I can / thought I could, but I can't.

Furthermore, I need to be

>>firmer with others in saying " no, I can't do that. Thank you, that's a lovely

idea, but no. " It's not letting them down, it's not letting yourself down. You

are being kind to yourself. Which I suppose brings me on to other people and the

sense of isolation. Ach, , I just don't know what to say. It must be so

hard for friends and family who one minute see us being " ok " (I'm sure you have

the cover up down as well as the rest of us), and the next minute in a complete

mess. On the other side, I know I feel that one minute they are understanding

and I am overwhelmed by their kindesses, the next, I feel so hurt by an apparent

lack of understanding and I am screaming inside " why can't you see? Why do you

make me spell this out to you every, single time? " What is your situation,

? Do you live alone, or with family? What's the set up? I wonder if it

would be useful to hear from friends / family - their story? It would seem like

a timely

>>moment for that if there is anyone out there prepared to offer their

perspective or experiences. Hugs to you all - and you are not alone, . I'm

so sorry it took me a while to reply. Please do let us know how you are going.

Fran x

>>To: mailto:Stillsdisease%40yahoogroups.com

>>From: mailto:angela6_21%40hotmail.com

>>Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 02:34:34 +0000

>>Subject: Re:Hello Fran

>>

>>Honestly Fran I don't know how I function day in and day out. At times when I

am surrounded by people I feel very much alone. No one around me understands

what I feel or go through except this group of people.

>>

>>.

>>

>>

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Hi everyone,

I've noticed several people waiting for Mayo Clinic appointments, and

wanted to share my experience with the Mayo Clinic in sdale, AZ. I

was sent there by my rheumy to see what they thought was going on. He had

already decided we were probably dealing with Stills, but wanted their

opinion and recommendations.

I saw a woman there who was very dismissive, and basically told me all my

symptoms would go away if I lost weight and exercised more. I asked her if

she thought the high fevers and painful everything were really related to

my weight (170 lbs., then) and she said, 'yes.' But she thought the fevers

might be the flu. Uh huh. So, I get the flu every two weeks or so, for 8

years?!

So, there you have it, folks... everyone needs to exercise and drop some

pounds and we'll all be just fine.

Needless to say, I was very disappointed and very upset and got on the next

plane home. After telling my then rheumy about it, he got me in to the

University of Colorado Hospital in Denver where they immediately diagnosed

Stills and started me on kineret, after trying several other things

prescribed by my previous rheumatologist, methotrexate, quinone, and many

other things. Kineret has been the best for me overall, after a few false

starts with the injections site issues mentioned before.

I guess what I'm saying is, don't rely Mayo's reputation to be the answer

to your prayers. The Rochester clinic may be better than the sdale

one, at least I hope so, but the University Hospitals seem to know as much

as anybody as far as I can see.

That's not in any way to discourage people, I hope everyone can find

excellent care. I just think Mayo clinics have been held up as the paragon

of medical excellence, and I think that people need to value their own

opinion rather than rely on reputation.

Good luck to everyone,

Peace and Blessings to all,

*Holly *

*hollydorst@...*

*

*

On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 10:53 AM, Butterfly Chaser <

butterflychaser999@...> wrote:

> **

>

>

> Hi ,

> You hang in there are I'll be praying for you. Thanks for responding,

> even though you are not feeling well sweetie. Just rest and comfort

> yourself.

> Time will tell, and that's about all we can count on at times.

>

> My daughter went through Mayo Clinic evaluation for her Still's.

> Unfortunately they would not give her a definite dianosis by exclusion

> only, so it was a waste of time. She is on her third evaluation now and

> likes this new Rheumy. He has her back on Kinert which she always did quite

> well with.

>

> I have some roots of family not far form you in Madison, my Italian

> Granmother happened to be born in Milliwakee. The family settled from

> Italy in that area and fished. Then they relocated to fish the open seas in

> San Diego where I am not born a second generation and still live here.

>

> Some day I would like to come visit my roots in WI. Are the winters hard

> on you? I can never get cool enough, so a colder climit might do well with

> me. And I hate heat so much and we have that tropical humid resort type

> climate right now. I did sit in the pool yesterday for 2 hours here at my

> condo, and that helped cool off a bit.

>

> Best of luck to you honey. Keep taking good care of yourself and keep me

> posted on how things are going with you ok?

>

> Love, Peace, and Joy,

>

>

>

>

>

> >To: " Stillsdisease " <Stillsdisease >

> >Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 12:17 AM

> >Subject: Re: Re:Hello Fran/

> >

> >

> >

> >Hi , So sorry for getting back to you late. I haven't been feeling

> well. Still having such pain with the bladder infection and the fatigue is

> horrible! I can't stand it. It makes every day life a struggle. Just for me

> to get ready to go to my Rhem this morning took me over two hours. To

> answer your questions,hun, I've been on cortisone injections before and

> prednisone and now methotrioxate for the stills. Yet when I went to see my

> specialist today I still complained of the constant pain and burning I was

> having,lower right back pain and sharp pain in the pelvic area. She agreed

> to have me stop taking the Methotrioxate, seeing as I have an infection.Or

> do I? She said the culture came back negative...so why am I on Cipro then?

> And not to mention for the tenth billion time. No one seems to have

> answers. The Urologist in Madison actually said that this was all related

> to my stills yet my Rhem specialist didn't agree. So now I have a appt for a

> >Immunologist but can't get in until Oct 3rd. I'm also on a waiting list

> for MAYO for up to six months. I don't have the best insurance. (sigh) I've

> never had my adrenal glands checked. I know back in 09 I had to have a

> biopsy on my Thyroid Nodules. It came back fine. I really appreciate the

> advice and suggestions you've made and will look further into this. THANK

> YOU SO MUCH!!!!!!!! My point is I don't know why all these doctors continue

> to push these antibiotics on me when they just don't work. I've become so

> depressed this past year or so and losing hope in the medical system. I'm

> even thinking that since I'm gonna be going to UW in Madison to just start

> all over and get second opinions maybe even third. Can't hurt. Again,

> thanks so kindly. Truly,

> >

> >:)

> >

> >________________________________

> >From: Butterfly Chaser <mailto:butterflychaser999%40yahoo.com>

> >To: " mailto:Stillsdisease%40yahoogroups.com " <mailto:

> Stillsdisease%40yahoogroups.com>

> >Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 1:56 AM

> >Subject: Re: Re:Hello Fran/

> >

> >

> >

> >Hi,

> >Yes I have a suggestion for you. It might do you well to have them check

> your adrenal glands to make sure they are funcitoning well enough in a

> crisis. When the body gets an infection or calls on extra cortisol, there

> has to be enough in your adrenal reserves to cover the extra need for

> energy to fight what ever in a lot of cases bladder infecitons that are not

> obvious yet.

> >

> >Your symptoms sound a lot like adrenal insufficiency. Were you using

> corticosteroids in your life at any time or usng them now?

> >

> >Let us know how you are doing ok?

> >

> >

> >

> >From: manfredini <mailto:vbm1972%40yahoo.com>

> >>To: " mailto:Stillsdisease%40yahoogroups.com " <mailto:

> Stillsdisease%40yahoogroups.com>

> >>Sent: Monday, July 9, 2012 12:21 AM

> >>Subject: Re: Re:Hello Fran

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>Hi , and everyone else. I have only posted once. Mainly because

> I've been in out of the hospitals lately. I just got married a few weeks

> ago and landed back in the hospital the day before the fourth of July. I

> had fainted and right in front of my hubby and complained of migraines and

> had fevers and feeling fatigued all day. I woke up to finding four

> paramedics in my home and rushed to the E.R. Once there many tests were

> performed and once again they ran the usual tests along with the cultures

> to test for any bacterias for a UTI bladder inf etc..of course it came back

> for a bladder infection. As i've been fighting these for over a year and a

> half now. I'm at the point where my fatigue,constant lower back pain,joint

> pain,chills,spiking fevers,rashes,and chronic migraines have me wondering

> if this truly is ADULT STILLS DISEASE and not something else. I've been to

> every specialist out there. I've exhausted them all. I've now started on a

> waiting list

> >>with the MAYO CLINIC and was told it would be six months. So now I am

> pretty much a advocate for myself. I'm feeling all alone in this and don't

> know what to think. I'm always in pain. Depressed and losing hope. I use to

> love my job and looked forward to working and now I have hired a lawyer and

> looked into collecting disability. I never thought this would be my life.

> It's frustrating. I am looking to get a second a opinion from U.W. I feel

> the CIPRO they have put me back on will not have any affect on me. The

> methotrioxate has helped with the flare ups to some degree I must add. I

> free in some areas it has helped. Any suggestions or ideas would be greatly

> appreciated. Thank you so kindly...Take Care...

> >>

> >>________________________________

> >>From: Francesca Fair <mailto:francescafair%40hotmail.co.uk>

> >>To: Stills Disease <mailto:stillsdisease%40yahoogroups.com>

> >>Sent: Friday, July 6, 2012 3:00 AM

> >>Subject: RE: Re:Hello Fran

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>Dear , I'm so sorry it has taken me a while to write you. Like

> Holly, my heart hurt when I read about how alone you feel, and I think you

> are really brave to talk about that here. Functioning every day just feels

> like an uphill fight, doesn't it? It took me a long time to realise that

> part of my problem with that was I was " fighting the fight, " if that makes

> sense? Punishing myself when I can't do things, either by forcing myself to

> do them - and suffering even more for it - or being angry / upset /

> depressed about them...feeling as though I had failed. OK: here's the

> grandmother and eggs story - d'all use that phrase??? " Teaching your

> Grandmother to suck eggs " ? One of the biggest things I have learned from

> this family is about pacing and planning. And, I don't get it right - I

> haven't got it right this past two weeks and landed myself in a big mess

> (hence the delay in replying....). There is a good section on this on the

> Stills Foundation

> >>website, and it does take practise and diligence. Oh so easy to throw

> the plan out of the window when you are having a " good " day, right? And

> then again, somedays you will have the grand plan, and have it all mapped

> out but it goes pear shaped. What am I trying to say here? A skeleton plan,

> whether that's by day or by week, whatever you can manage, is something

> that works for me - and remembering to give yourself a pat on the back is

> an important part of that. At the same time, it is only skeleton and if it

> doesn't work out, it doesn't work out and you have not failed. In fact, you

> have won by perhaps curtailing the plan, or ditching something from it

> altogether, because you have recognised it's too much and reigned yourself

> in. I wonder how other peoples' planning goes and works out? My big lesson

> the last two weeks - I still cannot cope with incorporating the unexpected.

> I think I can / thought I could, but I can't. Furthermore, I need to be

> >>firmer with others in saying " no, I can't do that. Thank you, that's a

> lovely idea, but no. " It's not letting them down, it's not letting yourself

> down. You are being kind to yourself. Which I suppose brings me on to other

> people and the sense of isolation. Ach, , I just don't know what to

> say. It must be so hard for friends and family who one minute see us being

> " ok " (I'm sure you have the cover up down as well as the rest of us), and

> the next minute in a complete mess. On the other side, I know I feel that

> one minute they are understanding and I am overwhelmed by their kindesses,

> the next, I feel so hurt by an apparent lack of understanding and I am

> screaming inside " why can't you see? Why do you make me spell this out to

> you every, single time? " What is your situation, ? Do you live alone,

> or with family? What's the set up? I wonder if it would be useful to hear

> from friends / family - their story? It would seem like a timely

> >>moment for that if there is anyone out there prepared to offer their

> perspective or experiences. Hugs to you all - and you are not alone,

> . I'm so sorry it took me a while to reply. Please do let us know how

> you are going. Fran x

> >>To: mailto:Stillsdisease%40yahoogroups.com

> >>From: mailto:angela6_21%40hotmail.com

> >>Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 02:34:34 +0000

> >>Subject: Re:Hello Fran

> >>

> >>Honestly Fran I don't know how I function day in and day out. At times

> when I am surrounded by people I feel very much alone. No one around me

> understands what I feel or go through except this group of people.

> >>

> >>.

> >>

> >>

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Hi Group,

I'm in agreement with Holly. The sdale AZ clinic is the one that my

daughter was evaluated at as well and had a very similar experience.  I have

heard that the Rochester clinic is better.

 

Thanks for sharing Holly, it's so important for everyone to hear. And also Mayo

may be great for certain illnesses and not so much for Still's??

 

Peace, Joy , and Love,

>To: Stillsdisease

>Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 11:16 AM

>Subject: Re: Re:Hello Fran/

>

>Hi everyone,

>I've noticed several people waiting for Mayo Clinic appointments, and

>wanted to share my experience with the Mayo Clinic in sdale, AZ.  I

>was sent there by my rheumy to see what they thought was going on.  He had

>already decided we were probably dealing with Stills, but wanted their

>opinion and recommendations.

>I saw a woman there who was very dismissive, and basically told me all my

>symptoms would go away if I lost weight and exercised more.  I asked her if

>she thought the high fevers and painful everything were really related to

>my weight (170 lbs., then) and she said, 'yes.' But she thought the fevers

>might be the flu.  Uh huh.  So, I get the flu every two weeks or so, for 8

>years?!

>So, there you have it, folks... everyone needs to exercise and drop some

>pounds and we'll all be just fine.

>Needless to say, I was very disappointed and very upset and got on the next

>plane home.  After telling my then rheumy about it, he got me in to the

>University of Colorado Hospital in Denver where they immediately diagnosed

>Stills and started me on kineret, after trying several other things

>prescribed by my previous rheumatologist, methotrexate, quinone, and many

>other things.  Kineret has been the best for me overall, after a few false

>starts with the injections site issues mentioned before.

>I guess what I'm saying is, don't rely Mayo's reputation to be the answer

>to your prayers.  The Rochester clinic may be better than the sdale

>one, at least I  hope so, but the University Hospitals seem to know as much

>as anybody as far as I can see.

>That's not in any way to discourage people, I hope everyone can find

>excellent care.  I just think Mayo clinics have been held up as the paragon

>of medical excellence, and I think that people need to value their own

>opinion rather than rely on reputation.

>Good luck to everyone,

>Peace and Blessings to all,

>*Holly *

>*hollydorst@...*

>*

>*

>

>

>

>On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 10:53 AM, Butterfly Chaser <

>butterflychaser999@...> wrote:

>

>> **

>>

>>

>> Hi ,

>> You hang in there are I'll be praying for you.  Thanks for responding,

>> even though you are not feeling well sweetie.  Just rest and comfort

>> yourself.

>> Time will tell, and that's about all we can count on at times.

>>

>> My daughter went through Mayo Clinic evaluation for her Still's.

>> Unfortunately they would not give her a definite dianosis by exclusion

>> only, so it was a waste of time.  She is on her third evaluation now and

>> likes this new Rheumy. He has her back on Kinert which she always did quite

>> well with.

>>

>> I have some roots of family not far form you in Madison, my Italian

>> Granmother happened to be born in Milliwakee.  The family settled from

>> Italy in that area and fished. Then they relocated to fish the open seas in

>> San Diego where I am not born a second generation and still live here.

>>

>> Some day I would like to come visit my roots in WI. Are the winters hard

>> on you? I can never get cool enough, so a colder climit might do well with

>> me. And I hate heat so much and we have that tropical humid resort type

>> climate right now. I did sit in the pool yesterday for 2 hours here at my

>> condo, and that helped cool off a bit.

>>

>> Best of luck to you honey. Keep taking good care of yourself and keep me

>> posted on how things are going with you ok?

>>

>> Love, Peace, and Joy,

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> >To: " Stillsdisease " <Stillsdisease >

>> >Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 12:17 AM

>> >Subject: Re: Re:Hello Fran/

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >Hi , So sorry for getting back to you late. I haven't been feeling

>> well. Still having such pain with the bladder infection and the fatigue is

>> horrible! I can't stand it. It makes every day life a struggle. Just for me

>> to get ready to go to my Rhem this morning took me over two hours. To

>> answer your questions,hun, I've been on cortisone injections before and

>> prednisone and now methotrioxate for the stills. Yet when I went to see my

>> specialist today I still complained of the constant pain and burning I was

>> having,lower right back pain and sharp pain in the pelvic area. She agreed

>> to have me stop taking the Methotrioxate, seeing as I have an infection.Or

>> do I? She said the culture came back negative...so why am I on Cipro then?

>> And not to mention for the tenth billion time. No one seems to have

>> answers. The Urologist in Madison actually said that this was all related

>> to my stills yet my Rhem specialist didn't agree. So now I have a appt for a

>> >Immunologist but can't get in until Oct 3rd. I'm also on a waiting list

>> for MAYO for up to six months. I don't have the best insurance. (sigh) I've

>> never had my adrenal glands checked. I know back in 09 I had to have a

>> biopsy on my Thyroid Nodules. It came back fine. I really appreciate the

>> advice and suggestions you've made and will look further into this. THANK

>> YOU SO MUCH!!!!!!!! My point is I don't know why all these doctors continue

>> to push these antibiotics on me when they just don't work. I've become so

>> depressed this past year or so and losing hope in the medical system. I'm

>> even thinking that since I'm gonna be going to UW in Madison to just start

>> all over and get second opinions maybe even third. Can't hurt. Again,

>> thanks so kindly. Truly,

>> >

>> >:)

>> >

>> >________________________________

>> >From: Butterfly Chaser <mailto:butterflychaser999%40yahoo.com>

>> >To: " mailto:Stillsdisease%40yahoogroups.com " <mailto:

>> Stillsdisease%40yahoogroups.com>

>> >Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 1:56 AM

>> >Subject: Re: Re:Hello Fran/

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >Hi,

>> >Yes I have a suggestion for you. It might do you well to have them check

>> your adrenal glands to make sure they are funcitoning well enough in a

>> crisis. When the body gets an infection or calls on extra cortisol, there

>> has to be enough in your adrenal reserves to cover the extra need for

>> energy to fight what ever in a lot of cases bladder infecitons that are not

>> obvious yet.

>> >

>> >Your symptoms sound a lot like adrenal insufficiency. Were you using

>> corticosteroids in your life at any time or usng them now?

>> >

>> >Let us know how you are doing ok?

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >From: manfredini <mailto:vbm1972%40yahoo.com>

>> >>To: " mailto:Stillsdisease%40yahoogroups.com " <mailto:

>> Stillsdisease%40yahoogroups.com>

>> >>Sent: Monday, July 9, 2012 12:21 AM

>> >>Subject: Re: Re:Hello Fran

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>Hi , and everyone else. I have only posted once. Mainly because

>> I've been in out of the hospitals lately. I just got married a few weeks

>> ago and landed back in the hospital the day before the fourth of July. I

>> had fainted and right in front of my hubby and complained of migraines and

>> had fevers and feeling fatigued all day. I woke up to finding four

>> paramedics in my home and rushed to the E.R. Once there many tests were

>> performed and once again they ran the usual tests along with the cultures

>> to test for any bacterias for a UTI bladder inf etc..of course it came back

>> for a bladder infection. As i've been fighting these for over a year and a

>> half now. I'm at the point where my fatigue,constant lower back pain,joint

>> pain,chills,spiking fevers,rashes,and chronic migraines have me wondering

>> if this truly is ADULT STILLS DISEASE and not something else. I've been to

>> every specialist out there. I've exhausted them all. I've now started on a

>> waiting list

>> >>with the MAYO CLINIC and was told it would be six months. So now I am

>> pretty much a advocate for myself. I'm feeling all alone in this and don't

>> know what to think. I'm always in pain. Depressed and losing hope. I use to

>> love my job and looked forward to working and now I have hired a lawyer and

>> looked into collecting disability. I never thought this would be my life.

>> It's frustrating. I am looking to get a second a opinion from U.W. I feel

>> the CIPRO they have put me back on will not have any affect on me. The

>> methotrioxate has helped with the flare ups to some degree I must add. I

>> free in some areas it has helped. Any suggestions or ideas would be greatly

>> appreciated. Thank you so kindly...Take Care...

>> >>

>> >>________________________________

>> >>From: Francesca Fair <mailto:francescafair%40hotmail.co.uk>

>> >>To: Stills Disease <mailto:stillsdisease%40yahoogroups.com>

>> >>Sent: Friday, July 6, 2012 3:00 AM

>> >>Subject: RE: Re:Hello Fran

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>Dear , I'm so sorry it has taken me a while to write you. Like

>> Holly, my heart hurt when I read about how alone you feel, and I think you

>> are really brave to talk about that here. Functioning every day just feels

>> like an uphill fight, doesn't it? It took me a long time to realise that

>> part of my problem with that was I was " fighting the fight, " if that makes

>> sense? Punishing myself when I can't do things, either by forcing myself to

>> do them - and suffering even more for it - or being angry / upset /

>> depressed about them...feeling as though I had failed. OK: here's the

>> grandmother and eggs story - d'all use that phrase??? " Teaching your

>> Grandmother to suck eggs " ? One of the biggest things I have learned from

>> this family is about pacing and planning. And, I don't get it right - I

>> haven't got it right this past two weeks and landed myself in a big mess

>> (hence the delay in replying....). There is a good section on this on the

>> Stills Foundation

>> >>website, and it does take practise and diligence. Oh so easy to throw

>> the plan out of the window when you are having a " good " day, right? And

>> then again, somedays you will have the grand plan, and have it all mapped

>> out but it goes pear shaped. What am I trying to say here? A skeleton plan,

>> whether that's by day or by week, whatever you can manage, is something

>> that works for me - and remembering to give yourself a pat on the back is

>> an important part of that. At the same time, it is only skeleton and if it

>> doesn't work out, it doesn't work out and you have not failed. In fact, you

>> have won by perhaps curtailing the plan, or ditching something from it

>> altogether, because you have recognised it's too much and reigned yourself

>> in. I wonder how other peoples' planning goes and works out? My big lesson

>> the last two weeks - I still cannot cope with incorporating the unexpected.

>> I think I can / thought I could, but I can't. Furthermore, I need to be

>> >>firmer with others in saying " no, I can't do that. Thank you, that's a

>> lovely idea, but no. " It's not letting them down, it's not letting yourself

>> down. You are being kind to yourself. Which I suppose brings me on to other

>> people and the sense of isolation. Ach, , I just don't know what to

>> say. It must be so hard for friends and family who one minute see us being

>> " ok " (I'm sure you have the cover up down as well as the rest of us), and

>> the next minute in a complete mess. On the other side, I know I feel that

>> one minute they are understanding and I am overwhelmed by their kindesses,

>> the next, I feel so hurt by an apparent lack of understanding and I am

>> screaming inside " why can't you see? Why do you make me spell this out to

>> you every, single time? " What is your situation, ? Do you live alone,

>> or with family? What's the set up? I wonder if it would be useful to hear

>> from friends / family - their story? It would seem like a timely

>> >>moment for that if there is anyone out there prepared to offer their

>> perspective or experiences. Hugs to you all - and you are not alone,

>> . I'm so sorry it took me a while to reply. Please do let us know how

>> you are going. Fran x

>> >>To: mailto:Stillsdisease%40yahoogroups.com

>> >>From: mailto:angela6_21%40hotmail.com

>> >>Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 02:34:34 +0000

>> >>Subject: Re:Hello Fran

>> >>

>> >>Honestly Fran I don't know how I function day in and day out. At times

>> when I am surrounded by people I feel very much alone. No one around me

>> understands what I feel or go through except this group of people.

>> >>

>> >>.

>> >>

>> >>

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Hi,

I sympathize with everyone who is having difficulty finding a doctor who can

truly understand Still's disease. I most recently found a doctor in New York and

one in Danville, PA who truly does understand.I live in NE PA. If anyone lives

in either of these areas I can help you with their locations.

I also have a question for anyone out there who may have experienced this

symptom. I started taking methotrexsate again for the third time orally and it

kills my stomach. When I start taking it by injection I get what I call " brain

fog. " I seems to happen only with the injections. Does anyone have this

experience?

________________________________

To: " Stillsdisease " <Stillsdisease >

Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 4:06 PM

Subject: Re: Re:Hello Fran/

 

Hi Group,

I'm in agreement with Holly. The sdale AZ clinic is the one that my

daughter was evaluated at as well and had a very similar experience.  I have

heard that the Rochester clinic is better.

 

Thanks for sharing Holly, it's so important for everyone to hear. And also Mayo

may be great for certain illnesses and not so much for Still's??

 

Peace, Joy , and Love,

>To: Stillsdisease

>Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 11:16 AM

>Subject: Re: Re:Hello Fran/

>

>Hi everyone,

>I've noticed several people waiting for Mayo Clinic appointments, and

>wanted to share my experience with the Mayo Clinic in sdale, AZ.  I

>was sent there by my rheumy to see what they thought was going on.  He had

>already decided we were probably dealing with Stills, but wanted their

>opinion and recommendations.

>I saw a woman there who was very dismissive, and basically told me all my

>symptoms would go away if I lost weight and exercised more.  I asked her if

>she thought the high fevers and painful everything were really related to

>my weight (170 lbs., then) and she said, 'yes.' But she thought the fevers

>might be the flu.  Uh huh.  So, I get the flu every two weeks or so, for 8

>years?!

>So, there you have it, folks... everyone needs to exercise and drop some

>pounds and we'll all be just fine.

>Needless to say, I was very disappointed and very upset and got on the next

>plane home.  After telling my then rheumy about it, he got me in to the

>University of Colorado Hospital in Denver where they immediately diagnosed

>Stills and started me on kineret, after trying several other things

>prescribed by my previous rheumatologist, methotrexate, quinone, and many

>other things.  Kineret has been the best for me overall, after a few false

>starts with the injections site issues mentioned before.

>I guess what I'm saying is, don't rely Mayo's reputation to be the answer

>to your prayers.  The Rochester clinic may be better than the sdale

>one, at least I  hope so, but the University Hospitals seem to know as much

>as anybody as far as I can see.

>That's not in any way to discourage people, I hope everyone can find

>excellent care.  I just think Mayo clinics have been held up as the paragon

>of medical excellence, and I think that people need to value their own

>opinion rather than rely on reputation.

>Good luck to everyone,

>Peace and Blessings to all,

>*Holly *

>*hollydorst@...*

>*

>*

>

>

>

>On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 10:53 AM, Butterfly Chaser <

>butterflychaser999@...> wrote:

>

>> **

>>

>>

>> Hi ,

>> You hang in there are I'll be praying for you.  Thanks for responding,

>> even though you are not feeling well sweetie.  Just rest and comfort

>> yourself.

>> Time will tell, and that's about all we can count on at times.

>>

>> My daughter went through Mayo Clinic evaluation for her Still's.

>> Unfortunately they would not give her a definite dianosis by exclusion

>> only, so it was a waste of time.  She is on her third evaluation now and

>> likes this new Rheumy. He has her back on Kinert which she always did quite

>> well with.

>>

>> I have some roots of family not far form you in Madison, my Italian

>> Granmother happened to be born in Milliwakee.  The family settled from

>> Italy in that area and fished. Then they relocated to fish the open seas in

>> San Diego where I am not born a second generation and still live here.

>>

>> Some day I would like to come visit my roots in WI. Are the winters hard

>> on you? I can never get cool enough, so a colder climit might do well with

>> me. And I hate heat so much and we have that tropical humid resort type

>> climate right now. I did sit in the pool yesterday for 2 hours here at my

>> condo, and that helped cool off a bit.

>>

>> Best of luck to you honey. Keep taking good care of yourself and keep me

>> posted on how things are going with you ok?

>>

>> Love, Peace, and Joy,

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> >To: " Stillsdisease " <Stillsdisease >

>> >Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 12:17 AM

>> >Subject: Re: Re:Hello Fran/

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >Hi , So sorry for getting back to you late. I haven't been feeling

>> well. Still having such pain with the bladder infection and the fatigue is

>> horrible! I can't stand it. It makes every day life a struggle. Just for me

>> to get ready to go to my Rhem this morning took me over two hours. To

>> answer your questions,hun, I've been on cortisone injections before and

>> prednisone and now methotrioxate for the stills. Yet when I went to see my

>> specialist today I still complained of the constant pain and burning I was

>> having,lower right back pain and sharp pain in the pelvic area. She agreed

>> to have me stop taking the Methotrioxate, seeing as I have an infection.Or

>> do I? She said the culture came back negative...so why am I on Cipro then?

>> And not to mention for the tenth billion time. No one seems to have

>> answers. The Urologist in Madison actually said that this was all related

>> to my stills yet my Rhem specialist didn't agree. So now I have a appt for a

>> >Immunologist but can't get in until Oct 3rd. I'm also on a waiting list

>> for MAYO for up to six months. I don't have the best insurance. (sigh) I've

>> never had my adrenal glands checked. I know back in 09 I had to have a

>> biopsy on my Thyroid Nodules. It came back fine. I really appreciate the

>> advice and suggestions you've made and will look further into this. THANK

>> YOU SO MUCH!!!!!!!! My point is I don't know why all these doctors continue

>> to push these antibiotics on me when they just don't work. I've become so

>> depressed this past year or so and losing hope in the medical system. I'm

>> even thinking that since I'm gonna be going to UW in Madison to just start

>> all over and get second opinions maybe even third. Can't hurt. Again,

>> thanks so kindly. Truly,

>> >

>> >:)

>> >

>> >________________________________

>> >From: Butterfly Chaser <mailto:butterflychaser999%40yahoo.com>

>> >To: " mailto:Stillsdisease%40yahoogroups.com " <mailto:

>> Stillsdisease%40yahoogroups.com>

>> >Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 1:56 AM

>> >Subject: Re: Re:Hello Fran/

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >Hi,

>> >Yes I have a suggestion for you. It might do you well to have them check

>> your adrenal glands to make sure they are funcitoning well enough in a

>> crisis. When the body gets an infection or calls on extra cortisol, there

>> has to be enough in your adrenal reserves to cover the extra need for

>> energy to fight what ever in a lot of cases bladder infecitons that are not

>> obvious yet.

>> >

>> >Your symptoms sound a lot like adrenal insufficiency. Were you using

>> corticosteroids in your life at any time or usng them now?

>> >

>> >Let us know how you are doing ok?

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> >From: manfredini <mailto:vbm1972%40yahoo.com>

>> >>To: " mailto:Stillsdisease%40yahoogroups.com " <mailto:

>> Stillsdisease%40yahoogroups.com>

>> >>Sent: Monday, July 9, 2012 12:21 AM

>> >>Subject: Re: Re:Hello Fran

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>Hi , and everyone else. I have only posted once. Mainly because

>> I've been in out of the hospitals lately. I just got married a few weeks

>> ago and landed back in the hospital the day before the fourth of July. I

>> had fainted and right in front of my hubby and complained of migraines and

>> had fevers and feeling fatigued all day. I woke up to finding four

>> paramedics in my home and rushed to the E.R. Once there many tests were

>> performed and once again they ran the usual tests along with the cultures

>> to test for any bacterias for a UTI bladder inf etc..of course it came back

>> for a bladder infection. As i've been fighting these for over a year and a

>> half now. I'm at the point where my fatigue,constant lower back pain,joint

>> pain,chills,spiking fevers,rashes,and chronic migraines have me wondering

>> if this truly is ADULT STILLS DISEASE and not something else. I've been to

>> every specialist out there. I've exhausted them all. I've now started on a

>> waiting list

>> >>with the MAYO CLINIC and was told it would be six months. So now I am

>> pretty much a advocate for myself. I'm feeling all alone in this and don't

>> know what to think. I'm always in pain. Depressed and losing hope. I use to

>> love my job and looked forward to working and now I have hired a lawyer and

>> looked into collecting disability. I never thought this would be my life.

>> It's frustrating. I am looking to get a second a opinion from U.W. I feel

>> the CIPRO they have put me back on will not have any affect on me. The

>> methotrioxate has helped with the flare ups to some degree I must add. I

>> free in some areas it has helped. Any suggestions or ideas would be greatly

>> appreciated. Thank you so kindly...Take Care...

>> >>

>> >>________________________________

>> >>From: Francesca Fair <mailto:francescafair%40hotmail.co.uk>

>> >>To: Stills Disease <mailto:stillsdisease%40yahoogroups.com>

>> >>Sent: Friday, July 6, 2012 3:00 AM

>> >>Subject: RE: Re:Hello Fran

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>Dear , I'm so sorry it has taken me a while to write you. Like

>> Holly, my heart hurt when I read about how alone you feel, and I think you

>> are really brave to talk about that here. Functioning every day just feels

>> like an uphill fight, doesn't it? It took me a long time to realise that

>> part of my problem with that was I was " fighting the fight, " if that makes

>> sense? Punishing myself when I can't do things, either by forcing myself to

>> do them - and suffering even more for it - or being angry / upset /

>> depressed about them...feeling as though I had failed. OK: here's the

>> grandmother and eggs story - d'all use that phrase??? " Teaching your

>> Grandmother to suck eggs " ? One of the biggest things I have learned from

>> this family is about pacing and planning. And, I don't get it right - I

>> haven't got it right this past two weeks and landed myself in a big mess

>> (hence the delay in replying....). There is a good section on this on the

>> Stills Foundation

>> >>website, and it does take practise and diligence. Oh so easy to throw

>> the plan out of the window when you are having a " good " day, right? And

>> then again, somedays you will have the grand plan, and have it all mapped

>> out but it goes pear shaped. What am I trying to say here? A skeleton plan,

>> whether that's by day or by week, whatever you can manage, is something

>> that works for me - and remembering to give yourself a pat on the back is

>> an important part of that. At the same time, it is only skeleton and if it

>> doesn't work out, it doesn't work out and you have not failed. In fact, you

>> have won by perhaps curtailing the plan, or ditching something from it

>> altogether, because you have recognised it's too much and reigned yourself

>> in. I wonder how other peoples' planning goes and works out? My big lesson

>> the last two weeks - I still cannot cope with incorporating the unexpected.

>> I think I can / thought I could, but I can't. Furthermore, I need to be

>> >>firmer with others in saying " no, I can't do that. Thank you, that's a

>> lovely idea, but no. " It's not letting them down, it's not letting yourself

>> down. You are being kind to yourself. Which I suppose brings me on to other

>> people and the sense of isolation. Ach, , I just don't know what to

>> say. It must be so hard for friends and family who one minute see us being

>> " ok " (I'm sure you have the cover up down as well as the rest of us), and

>> the next minute in a complete mess. On the other side, I know I feel that

>> one minute they are understanding and I am overwhelmed by their kindesses,

>> the next, I feel so hurt by an apparent lack of understanding and I am

>> screaming inside " why can't you see? Why do you make me spell this out to

>> you every, single time? " What is your situation, ? Do you live alone,

>> or with family? What's the set up? I wonder if it would be useful to hear

>> from friends / family - their story? It would seem like a timely

>> >>moment for that if there is anyone out there prepared to offer their

>> perspective or experiences. Hugs to you all - and you are not alone,

>> . I'm so sorry it took me a while to reply. Please do let us know how

>> you are going. Fran x

>> >>To: mailto:Stillsdisease%40yahoogroups.com

>> >>From: mailto:angela6_21%40hotmail.com

>> >>Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 02:34:34 +0000

>> >>Subject: Re:Hello Fran

>> >>

>> >>Honestly Fran I don't know how I function day in and day out. At times

>> when I am surrounded by people I feel very much alone. No one around me

>> understands what I feel or go through except this group of people.

>> >>

>> >>.

>> >>

>> >>

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Thanks, !

I've not heard of anyone else having a bad visit there. I wonder if it was

the same doc? The one I saw, about 4-5 years ago (?) was middle aged,

slender asian woman, but I've forgotten her name. (Memory loss is a huge

side (?) effect of either the disease or the medications, that's for sure!)

Is that who your daughter saw?

When I reported back to my rheumatologist, he was unhappy to hear of my

experience, but it turned out that he had gone to medical school with her,

and had about the same opinion of her that I had! I think if he knew

that's who I'd be seeing, he might have made a different choice at that

point!

Peace and Blessings to all,

*Holly *

*hollydorst@...*

*

*

On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 2:06 PM, Butterfly Chaser <

butterflychaser999@...> wrote:

> **

>

>

> Hi Group,

> I'm in agreement with Holly. The sdale AZ clinic is the one that my

> daughter was evaluated at as well and had a very similar experience. I

> have heard that the Rochester clinic is better.

>

> Thanks for sharing Holly, it's so important for everyone to hear. And also

> Mayo may be great for certain illnesses and not so much for Still's??

>

> Peace, Joy , and Love,

>

>

>

> >To: Stillsdisease

> >Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 11:16 AM

>

> >Subject: Re: Re:Hello Fran/

> >

> >Hi everyone,

> >I've noticed several people waiting for Mayo Clinic appointments, and

> >wanted to share my experience with the Mayo Clinic in sdale, AZ. I

> >was sent there by my rheumy to see what they thought was going on. He had

> >already decided we were probably dealing with Stills, but wanted their

> >opinion and recommendations.

> >I saw a woman there who was very dismissive, and basically told me all my

> >symptoms would go away if I lost weight and exercised more. I asked her

> if

> >she thought the high fevers and painful everything were really related to

> >my weight (170 lbs., then) and she said, 'yes.' But she thought the fevers

> >might be the flu. Uh huh. So, I get the flu every two weeks or so, for 8

> >years?!

> >So, there you have it, folks... everyone needs to exercise and drop some

> >pounds and we'll all be just fine.

> >Needless to say, I was very disappointed and very upset and got on the

> next

> >plane home. After telling my then rheumy about it, he got me in to the

> >University of Colorado Hospital in Denver where they immediately diagnosed

> >Stills and started me on kineret, after trying several other things

> >prescribed by my previous rheumatologist, methotrexate, quinone, and many

> >other things. Kineret has been the best for me overall, after a few false

> >starts with the injections site issues mentioned before.

> >I guess what I'm saying is, don't rely Mayo's reputation to be the answer

> >to your prayers. The Rochester clinic may be better than the sdale

> >one, at least I hope so, but the University Hospitals seem to know as

> much

> >as anybody as far as I can see.

> >That's not in any way to discourage people, I hope everyone can find

> >excellent care. I just think Mayo clinics have been held up as the

> paragon

> >of medical excellence, and I think that people need to value their own

> >opinion rather than rely on reputation.

> >Good luck to everyone,

> >Peace and Blessings to all,

> >*Holly *

> >*hollydorst@...*

> >*

>

> >*

> >

> >

> >

> >On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 10:53 AM, Butterfly Chaser <

> >butterflychaser999@...> wrote:

> >

> >> **

>

> >>

> >>

> >> Hi ,

> >> You hang in there are I'll be praying for you. Thanks for responding,

> >> even though you are not feeling well sweetie. Just rest and comfort

> >> yourself.

> >> Time will tell, and that's about all we can count on at times.

> >>

> >> My daughter went through Mayo Clinic evaluation for her Still's.

> >> Unfortunately they would not give her a definite dianosis by exclusion

> >> only, so it was a waste of time. She is on her third evaluation now and

> >> likes this new Rheumy. He has her back on Kinert which she always did

> quite

> >> well with.

> >>

> >> I have some roots of family not far form you in Madison, my Italian

> >> Granmother happened to be born in Milliwakee. The family settled from

> >> Italy in that area and fished. Then they relocated to fish the open

> seas in

> >> San Diego where I am not born a second generation and still live here.

> >>

> >> Some day I would like to come visit my roots in WI. Are the winters hard

> >> on you? I can never get cool enough, so a colder climit might do well

> with

> >> me. And I hate heat so much and we have that tropical humid resort type

> >> climate right now. I did sit in the pool yesterday for 2 hours here at

> my

> >> condo, and that helped cool off a bit.

> >>

> >> Best of luck to you honey. Keep taking good care of yourself and keep me

> >> posted on how things are going with you ok?

> >>

> >> Love, Peace, and Joy,

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> >To: " Stillsdisease " <Stillsdisease >

> >> >Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 12:17 AM

> >> >Subject: Re: Re:Hello Fran/

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >Hi , So sorry for getting back to you late. I haven't been feeling

> >> well. Still having such pain with the bladder infection and the fatigue

> is

> >> horrible! I can't stand it. It makes every day life a struggle. Just

> for me

> >> to get ready to go to my Rhem this morning took me over two hours. To

> >> answer your questions,hun, I've been on cortisone injections before and

> >> prednisone and now methotrioxate for the stills. Yet when I went to see

> my

> >> specialist today I still complained of the constant pain and burning I

> was

> >> having,lower right back pain and sharp pain in the pelvic area. She

> agreed

> >> to have me stop taking the Methotrioxate, seeing as I have an

> infection.Or

> >> do I? She said the culture came back negative...so why am I on Cipro

> then?

> >> And not to mention for the tenth billion time. No one seems to have

> >> answers. The Urologist in Madison actually said that this was all

> related

> >> to my stills yet my Rhem specialist didn't agree. So now I have a appt

> for a

> >> >Immunologist but can't get in until Oct 3rd. I'm also on a waiting list

> >> for MAYO for up to six months. I don't have the best insurance. (sigh)

> I've

> >> never had my adrenal glands checked. I know back in 09 I had to have a

> >> biopsy on my Thyroid Nodules. It came back fine. I really appreciate the

> >> advice and suggestions you've made and will look further into this.

> THANK

> >> YOU SO MUCH!!!!!!!! My point is I don't know why all these doctors

> continue

> >> to push these antibiotics on me when they just don't work. I've become

> so

> >> depressed this past year or so and losing hope in the medical system.

> I'm

> >> even thinking that since I'm gonna be going to UW in Madison to just

> start

> >> all over and get second opinions maybe even third. Can't hurt. Again,

> >> thanks so kindly. Truly,

> >> >

> >> >:)

> >> >

> >> >________________________________

> >> >From: Butterfly Chaser <mailto:butterflychaser999%40yahoo.com>

> >> >To: " mailto:Stillsdisease%40yahoogroups.com " <mailto:

> >> Stillsdisease%40yahoogroups.com>

> >> >Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 1:56 AM

> >> >Subject: Re: Re:Hello Fran/

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >Hi,

> >> >Yes I have a suggestion for you. It might do you well to have them

> check

> >> your adrenal glands to make sure they are funcitoning well enough in a

> >> crisis. When the body gets an infection or calls on extra cortisol,

> there

> >> has to be enough in your adrenal reserves to cover the extra need for

> >> energy to fight what ever in a lot of cases bladder infecitons that are

> not

> >> obvious yet.

> >> >

> >> >Your symptoms sound a lot like adrenal insufficiency. Were you using

> >> corticosteroids in your life at any time or usng them now?

> >> >

> >> >Let us know how you are doing ok?

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >From: manfredini <mailto:vbm1972%40yahoo.com>

> >> >>To: " mailto:Stillsdisease%40yahoogroups.com " <mailto:

> >> Stillsdisease%40yahoogroups.com>

> >> >>Sent: Monday, July 9, 2012 12:21 AM

> >> >>Subject: Re: Re:Hello Fran

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >>Hi , and everyone else. I have only posted once. Mainly because

> >> I've been in out of the hospitals lately. I just got married a few weeks

> >> ago and landed back in the hospital the day before the fourth of July. I

> >> had fainted and right in front of my hubby and complained of migraines

> and

> >> had fevers and feeling fatigued all day. I woke up to finding four

> >> paramedics in my home and rushed to the E.R. Once there many tests were

> >> performed and once again they ran the usual tests along with the

> cultures

> >> to test for any bacterias for a UTI bladder inf etc..of course it came

> back

> >> for a bladder infection. As i've been fighting these for over a year

> and a

> >> half now. I'm at the point where my fatigue,constant lower back

> pain,joint

> >> pain,chills,spiking fevers,rashes,and chronic migraines have me

> wondering

> >> if this truly is ADULT STILLS DISEASE and not something else. I've been

> to

> >> every specialist out there. I've exhausted them all. I've now started

> on a

> >> waiting list

> >> >>with the MAYO CLINIC and was told it would be six months. So now I am

> >> pretty much a advocate for myself. I'm feeling all alone in this and

> don't

> >> know what to think. I'm always in pain. Depressed and losing hope. I

> use to

> >> love my job and looked forward to working and now I have hired a lawyer

> and

> >> looked into collecting disability. I never thought this would be my

> life.

> >> It's frustrating. I am looking to get a second a opinion from U.W. I

> feel

> >> the CIPRO they have put me back on will not have any affect on me. The

> >> methotrioxate has helped with the flare ups to some degree I must add. I

> >> free in some areas it has helped. Any suggestions or ideas would be

> greatly

> >> appreciated. Thank you so kindly...Take Care...

> >> >>

> >> >>________________________________

> >> >>From: Francesca Fair <mailto:francescafair%40hotmail.co.uk>

> >> >>To: Stills Disease <mailto:stillsdisease%40yahoogroups.com>

> >> >>Sent: Friday, July 6, 2012 3:00 AM

> >> >>Subject: RE: Re:Hello Fran

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >>Dear , I'm so sorry it has taken me a while to write you. Like

> >> Holly, my heart hurt when I read about how alone you feel, and I think

> you

> >> are really brave to talk about that here. Functioning every day just

> feels

> >> like an uphill fight, doesn't it? It took me a long time to realise that

> >> part of my problem with that was I was " fighting the fight, " if that

> makes

> >> sense? Punishing myself when I can't do things, either by forcing

> myself to

> >> do them - and suffering even more for it - or being angry / upset /

> >> depressed about them...feeling as though I had failed. OK: here's the

> >> grandmother and eggs story - d'all use that phrase??? " Teaching your

> >> Grandmother to suck eggs " ? One of the biggest things I have learned from

> >> this family is about pacing and planning. And, I don't get it right - I

> >> haven't got it right this past two weeks and landed myself in a big mess

> >> (hence the delay in replying....). There is a good section on this on

> the

> >> Stills Foundation

> >> >>website, and it does take practise and diligence. Oh so easy to throw

> >> the plan out of the window when you are having a " good " day, right? And

> >> then again, somedays you will have the grand plan, and have it all

> mapped

> >> out but it goes pear shaped. What am I trying to say here? A skeleton

> plan,

> >> whether that's by day or by week, whatever you can manage, is something

> >> that works for me - and remembering to give yourself a pat on the back

> is

> >> an important part of that. At the same time, it is only skeleton and if

> it

> >> doesn't work out, it doesn't work out and you have not failed. In fact,

> you

> >> have won by perhaps curtailing the plan, or ditching something from it

> >> altogether, because you have recognised it's too much and reigned

> yourself

> >> in. I wonder how other peoples' planning goes and works out? My big

> lesson

> >> the last two weeks - I still cannot cope with incorporating the

> unexpected.

> >> I think I can / thought I could, but I can't. Furthermore, I need to be

> >> >>firmer with others in saying " no, I can't do that. Thank you, that's a

> >> lovely idea, but no. " It's not letting them down, it's not letting

> yourself

> >> down. You are being kind to yourself. Which I suppose brings me on to

> other

> >> people and the sense of isolation. Ach, , I just don't know what

> to

> >> say. It must be so hard for friends and family who one minute see us

> being

> >> " ok " (I'm sure you have the cover up down as well as the rest of us),

> and

> >> the next minute in a complete mess. On the other side, I know I feel

> that

> >> one minute they are understanding and I am overwhelmed by their

> kindesses,

> >> the next, I feel so hurt by an apparent lack of understanding and I am

> >> screaming inside " why can't you see? Why do you make me spell this out

> to

> >> you every, single time? " What is your situation, ? Do you live

> alone,

> >> or with family? What's the set up? I wonder if it would be useful to

> hear

> >> from friends / family - their story? It would seem like a timely

> >> >>moment for that if there is anyone out there prepared to offer their

> >> perspective or experiences. Hugs to you all - and you are not alone,

> >> . I'm so sorry it took me a while to reply. Please do let us know

> how

> >> you are going. Fran x

> >> >>To: mailto:Stillsdisease%40yahoogroups.com

> >> >>From: mailto:angela6_21%40hotmail.com

> >> >>Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 02:34:34 +0000

> >> >>Subject: Re:Hello Fran

> >> >>

> >> >>Honestly Fran I don't know how I function day in and day out. At times

> >> when I am surrounded by people I feel very much alone. No one around me

> >> understands what I feel or go through except this group of people.

> >> >>

> >> >>.

> >> >>

> >> >>

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Hi and Everyone else,

Well I've been reading alot of the posts this afternoon and I guess I shouldn't

put all my faith and hope into The Mayo Clinic. I suppose I should continue on

the road that I am and see the specialists that are lined up for me. I was

discouraged by a few friends when they also told me that The Mayo just might not

be my answer. Not that I won't still give it a try and continue to be on waiting

list. I think my biggest hurdle right now is going through the process of

disability and  my lawyers so far have done a fine job. I miss work everyday

though. It was my passion and I feel myself slipping further and further into a

depression. The Illness of this disease is really hard on me in the

Winters,. In truth I'm bracing myself for whats to come. Summers here are

humid. We just had a heat wave not that long ago. I must state since I read that

your roots are from here....I am originally from Chicago but have moved here

four years ago. Would I ever go back

to Chicago, that's a quick NO! I love it there,but it's just too faced paced

for me now and overly congested. I guess this girly girl turned into a country

girl...lol... no in all seriousness...(Humor helps me through the physical pain)

anyhow, I did see my Rhemy and she also agreed that I see the Immunologist. She

is just as puzzled as I am. And what she was most concerned over was that the

Urologist out of UW in Madison said that my ''UTI'' issues were STILLS related.

We both didn't agree with his opinion at all. I just feel I have TWO separate

issues going on. There are days I feel good enough to go out for walks and go to

the gym, then there are days I am in such pain,in bed with high spiking

fevers,then the joint pain comes in,the fatique,not to mention the chronic

migraines..etc..the swelling of my knees get uncomfortable to where I have an

issue with walking.. I'm 5'5 and 163 and I always considered myself pretty

healthy and active,over this past

year and half I have went down hill so fast. I am 39 who feels at times like

i'm much older in my body. The Methotrioxate is helping...and I've had less

flare ups then usual. Again,I never know when the bad days will come verses the

good ones. Thank you for your reply.It was so nice of you to check up on me.

EVERYONE is so supportive here. And I feel so blessed to have found this group.

Have a nice day everyone!

________________________________

To: Stillsdisease

Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 4:17 PM

Subject: Re: Re:Hello Fran/

Thanks, !

I've not heard of anyone else having a bad visit there.  I wonder if it was

the same doc?  The one I saw, about 4-5 years ago (?) was middle aged,

slender asian woman, but I've forgotten her name. (Memory loss is a huge

side (?) effect of either the disease or the medications, that's for sure!)

  Is that who your daughter saw?

When I reported back to my rheumatologist, he was unhappy to hear of my

experience, but it turned out that he had gone to medical school with her,

and had about the same opinion of her that I had!  I think if he knew

that's who I'd be seeing, he might have made a different choice at that

point!

Peace and Blessings to all,

*Holly *

*hollydorst@...*

*

*

On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 2:06 PM, Butterfly Chaser <

butterflychaser999@...> wrote:

> **

>

>

> Hi Group,

> I'm in agreement with Holly. The sdale AZ clinic is the one that my

> daughter was evaluated at as well and had a very similar experience.  I

> have heard that the Rochester clinic is better.

>

> Thanks for sharing Holly, it's so important for everyone to hear. And also

> Mayo may be great for certain illnesses and not so much for Still's??

>

> Peace, Joy , and Love,

>

>

>

> >To: Stillsdisease

> >Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 11:16 AM

>

> >Subject: Re: Re:Hello Fran/

> >

> >Hi everyone,

> >I've noticed several people waiting for Mayo Clinic appointments, and

> >wanted to share my experience with the Mayo Clinic in sdale, AZ.  I

> >was sent there by my rheumy to see what they thought was going on.  He had

> >already decided we were probably dealing with Stills, but wanted their

> >opinion and recommendations.

> >I saw a woman there who was very dismissive, and basically told me all my

> >symptoms would go away if I lost weight and exercised more.  I asked her

> if

> >she thought the high fevers and painful everything were really related to

> >my weight (170 lbs., then) and she said, 'yes.' But she thought the fevers

> >might be the flu.  Uh huh.  So, I get the flu every two weeks or so, for 8

> >years?!

> >So, there you have it, folks... everyone needs to exercise and drop some

> >pounds and we'll all be just fine.

> >Needless to say, I was very disappointed and very upset and got on the

> next

> >plane home.  After telling my then rheumy about it, he got me in to the

> >University of Colorado Hospital in Denver where they immediately diagnosed

> >Stills and started me on kineret, after trying several other things

> >prescribed by my previous rheumatologist, methotrexate, quinone, and many

> >other things.  Kineret has been the best for me overall, after a few false

> >starts with the injections site issues mentioned before.

> >I guess what I'm saying is, don't rely Mayo's reputation to be the answer

> >to your prayers.  The Rochester clinic may be better than the sdale

> >one, at least I  hope so, but the University Hospitals seem to know as

> much

> >as anybody as far as I can see.

> >That's not in any way to discourage people, I hope everyone can find

> >excellent care.  I just think Mayo clinics have been held up as the

> paragon

> >of medical excellence, and I think that people need to value their own

> >opinion rather than rely on reputation.

> >Good luck to everyone,

> >Peace and Blessings to all,

> >*Holly *

> >*hollydorst@...*

> >*

>

> >*

> >

> >

> >

> >On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 10:53 AM, Butterfly Chaser <

> >butterflychaser999@...> wrote:

> >

> >> **

>

> >>

> >>

> >> Hi ,

> >> You hang in there are I'll be praying for you.  Thanks for responding,

> >> even though you are not feeling well sweetie.  Just rest and comfort

> >> yourself.

> >> Time will tell, and that's about all we can count on at times.

> >>

> >> My daughter went through Mayo Clinic evaluation for her Still's.

> >> Unfortunately they would not give her a definite dianosis by exclusion

> >> only, so it was a waste of time.  She is on her third evaluation now and

> >> likes this new Rheumy. He has her back on Kinert which she always did

> quite

> >> well with.

> >>

> >> I have some roots of family not far form you in Madison, my Italian

> >> Granmother happened to be born in Milliwakee.  The family settled from

> >> Italy in that area and fished. Then they relocated to fish the open

> seas in

> >> San Diego where I am not born a second generation and still live here.

> >>

> >> Some day I would like to come visit my roots in WI. Are the winters hard

> >> on you? I can never get cool enough, so a colder climit might do well

> with

> >> me. And I hate heat so much and we have that tropical humid resort type

> >> climate right now. I did sit in the pool yesterday for 2 hours here at

> my

> >> condo, and that helped cool off a bit.

> >>

> >> Best of luck to you honey. Keep taking good care of yourself and keep me

> >> posted on how things are going with you ok?

> >>

> >> Love, Peace, and Joy,

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> >To: " Stillsdisease " <Stillsdisease >

> >> >Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 12:17 AM

> >> >Subject: Re: Re:Hello Fran/

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >Hi , So sorry for getting back to you late. I haven't been feeling

> >> well. Still having such pain with the bladder infection and the fatigue

> is

> >> horrible! I can't stand it. It makes every day life a struggle. Just

> for me

> >> to get ready to go to my Rhem this morning took me over two hours. To

> >> answer your questions,hun, I've been on cortisone injections before and

> >> prednisone and now methotrioxate for the stills. Yet when I went to see

> my

> >> specialist today I still complained of the constant pain and burning I

> was

> >> having,lower right back pain and sharp pain in the pelvic area. She

> agreed

> >> to have me stop taking the Methotrioxate, seeing as I have an

> infection.Or

> >> do I? She said the culture came back negative...so why am I on Cipro

> then?

> >> And not to mention for the tenth billion time. No one seems to have

> >> answers. The Urologist in Madison actually said that this was all

> related

> >> to my stills yet my Rhem specialist didn't agree. So now I have a appt

> for a

> >> >Immunologist but can't get in until Oct 3rd. I'm also on a waiting list

> >> for MAYO for up to six months. I don't have the best insurance. (sigh)

> I've

> >> never had my adrenal glands checked. I know back in 09 I had to have a

> >> biopsy on my Thyroid Nodules. It came back fine. I really appreciate the

> >> advice and suggestions you've made and will look further into this.

> THANK

> >> YOU SO MUCH!!!!!!!! My point is I don't know why all these doctors

> continue

> >> to push these antibiotics on me when they just don't work. I've become

> so

> >> depressed this past year or so and losing hope in the medical system.

> I'm

> >> even thinking that since I'm gonna be going to UW in Madison to just

> start

> >> all over and get second opinions maybe even third. Can't hurt. Again,

> >> thanks so kindly. Truly,

> >> >

> >> >:)

> >> >

> >> >________________________________

> >> >From: Butterfly Chaser <mailto:butterflychaser999%40yahoo.com>

> >> >To: " mailto:Stillsdisease%40yahoogroups.com " <mailto:

> >> Stillsdisease%40yahoogroups.com>

> >> >Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 1:56 AM

> >> >Subject: Re: Re:Hello Fran/

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >Hi,

> >> >Yes I have a suggestion for you. It might do you well to have them

> check

> >> your adrenal glands to make sure they are funcitoning well enough in a

> >> crisis. When the body gets an infection or calls on extra cortisol,

> there

> >> has to be enough in your adrenal reserves to cover the extra need for

> >> energy to fight what ever in a lot of cases bladder infecitons that are

> not

> >> obvious yet.

> >> >

> >> >Your symptoms sound a lot like adrenal insufficiency. Were you using

> >> corticosteroids in your life at any time or usng them now?

> >> >

> >> >Let us know how you are doing ok?

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >From: manfredini <mailto:vbm1972%40yahoo.com>

> >> >>To: " mailto:Stillsdisease%40yahoogroups.com " <mailto:

> >> Stillsdisease%40yahoogroups.com>

> >> >>Sent: Monday, July 9, 2012 12:21 AM

> >> >>Subject: Re: Re:Hello Fran

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >>Hi , and everyone else. I have only posted once. Mainly because

> >> I've been in out of the hospitals lately. I just got married a few weeks

> >> ago and landed back in the hospital the day before the fourth of July. I

> >> had fainted and right in front of my hubby and complained of migraines

> and

> >> had fevers and feeling fatigued all day. I woke up to finding four

> >> paramedics in my home and rushed to the E.R. Once there many tests were

> >> performed and once again they ran the usual tests along with the

> cultures

> >> to test for any bacterias for a UTI bladder inf etc..of course it came

> back

> >> for a bladder infection. As i've been fighting these for over a year

> and a

> >> half now. I'm at the point where my fatigue,constant lower back

> pain,joint

> >> pain,chills,spiking fevers,rashes,and chronic migraines have me

> wondering

> >> if this truly is ADULT STILLS DISEASE and not something else. I've been

> to

> >> every specialist out there. I've exhausted them all. I've now started

> on a

> >> waiting list

> >> >>with the MAYO CLINIC and was told it would be six months. So now I am

> >> pretty much a advocate for myself. I'm feeling all alone in this and

> don't

> >> know what to think. I'm always in pain. Depressed and losing hope. I

> use to

> >> love my job and looked forward to working and now I have hired a lawyer

> and

> >> looked into collecting disability. I never thought this would be my

> life.

> >> It's frustrating. I am looking to get a second a opinion from U.W. I

> feel

> >> the CIPRO they have put me back on will not have any affect on me. The

> >> methotrioxate has helped with the flare ups to some degree I must add. I

> >> free in some areas it has helped. Any suggestions or ideas would be

> greatly

> >> appreciated. Thank you so kindly...Take Care...

> >> >>

> >> >>________________________________

> >> >>From: Francesca Fair <mailto:francescafair%40hotmail.co.uk>

> >> >>To: Stills Disease <mailto:stillsdisease%40yahoogroups.com>

> >> >>Sent: Friday, July 6, 2012 3:00 AM

> >> >>Subject: RE: Re:Hello Fran

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >>Dear , I'm so sorry it has taken me a while to write you. Like

> >> Holly, my heart hurt when I read about how alone you feel, and I think

> you

> >> are really brave to talk about that here. Functioning every day just

> feels

> >> like an uphill fight, doesn't it? It took me a long time to realise that

> >> part of my problem with that was I was " fighting the fight, " if that

> makes

> >> sense? Punishing myself when I can't do things, either by forcing

> myself to

> >> do them - and suffering even more for it - or being angry / upset /

> >> depressed about them...feeling as though I had failed. OK: here's the

> >> grandmother and eggs story - d'all use that phrase??? " Teaching your

> >> Grandmother to suck eggs " ? One of the biggest things I have learned from

> >> this family is about pacing and planning. And, I don't get it right - I

> >> haven't got it right this past two weeks and landed myself in a big mess

> >> (hence the delay in replying....). There is a good section on this on

> the

> >> Stills Foundation

> >> >>website, and it does take practise and diligence. Oh so easy to throw

> >> the plan out of the window when you are having a " good " day, right? And

> >> then again, somedays you will have the grand plan, and have it all

> mapped

> >> out but it goes pear shaped. What am I trying to say here? A skeleton

> plan,

> >> whether that's by day or by week, whatever you can manage, is something

> >> that works for me - and remembering to give yourself a pat on the back

> is

> >> an important part of that. At the same time, it is only skeleton and if

> it

> >> doesn't work out, it doesn't work out and you have not failed. In fact,

> you

> >> have won by perhaps curtailing the plan, or ditching something from it

> >> altogether, because you have recognised it's too much and reigned

> yourself

> >> in. I wonder how other peoples' planning goes and works out? My big

> lesson

> >> the last two weeks - I still cannot cope with incorporating the

> unexpected.

> >> I think I can / thought I could, but I can't. Furthermore, I need to be

> >> >>firmer with others in saying " no, I can't do that. Thank you, that's a

> >> lovely idea, but no. " It's not letting them down, it's not letting

> yourself

> >> down. You are being kind to yourself. Which I suppose brings me on to

> other

> >> people and the sense of isolation. Ach, , I just don't know what

> to

> >> say. It must be so hard for friends and family who one minute see us

> being

> >> " ok " (I'm sure you have the cover up down as well as the rest of us),

> and

> >> the next minute in a complete mess. On the other side, I know I feel

> that

> >> one minute they are understanding and I am overwhelmed by their

> kindesses,

> >> the next, I feel so hurt by an apparent lack of understanding and I am

> >> screaming inside " why can't you see? Why do you make me spell this out

> to

> >> you every, single time? " What is your situation, ? Do you live

> alone,

> >> or with family? What's the set up? I wonder if it would be useful to

> hear

> >> from friends / family - their story? It would seem like a timely

> >> >>moment for that if there is anyone out there prepared to offer their

> >> perspective or experiences. Hugs to you all - and you are not alone,

> >> . I'm so sorry it took me a while to reply. Please do let us know

> how

> >> you are going. Fran x

> >> >>To: mailto:Stillsdisease%40yahoogroups.com

> >> >>From: mailto:angela6_21%40hotmail.com

> >> >>Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 02:34:34 +0000

> >> >>Subject: Re:Hello Fran

> >> >>

> >> >>Honestly Fran I don't know how I function day in and day out. At times

> >> when I am surrounded by people I feel very much alone. No one around me

> >> understands what I feel or go through except this group of people.

> >> >>

> >> >>.

> >> >>

> >> >>

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Hi and Everyone else,

Well I've been reading alot of the posts this afternoon and I guess I shouldn't

put all my faith and hope into The Mayo Clinic. I suppose I should continue on

the road that I am and see the specialists that are lined up for me. I was

discouraged by a few friends when they also told me that The Mayo just might not

be my answer. Not that I won't still give it a try and continue to be on waiting

list. I think my biggest hurdle right now is going through the process of

disability and  my lawyers so far have done a fine job. I miss work everyday

though. It was my passion and I feel myself slipping further and further into a

depression. The Illness of this disease is really hard on me in the

Winters,. In truth I'm bracing myself for whats to come. Summers here are

humid. We just had a heat wave not that long ago. I must state since I read that

your roots are from here....I am originally from Chicago but have moved here

four years ago. Would I ever go back

to Chicago, that's a quick NO! I love it there,but it's just too faced paced

for me now and overly congested. I guess this girly girl turned into a country

girl...lol... no in all seriousness...(Humor helps me through the physical pain)

anyhow, I did see my Rhemy and she also agreed that I see the Immunologist. She

is just as puzzled as I am. And what she was most concerned over was that the

Urologist out of UW in Madison said that my ''UTI'' issues were STILLS related.

We both didn't agree with his opinion at all. I just feel I have TWO separate

issues going on. There are days I feel good enough to go out for walks and go to

the gym, then there are days I am in such pain,in bed with high spiking

fevers,then the joint pain comes in,the fatique,not to mention the chronic

migraines..etc..the swelling of my knees get uncomfortable to where I have an

issue with walking.. I'm 5'5 and 163 and I always considered myself pretty

healthy and active,over this past

year and half I have went down hill so fast. I am 39 who feels at times like

i'm much older in my body. The Methotrioxate is helping...and I've had less

flare ups then usual. Again,I never know when the bad days will come verses the

good ones. Thank you for your reply.It was so nice of you to check up on me.

EVERYONE is so supportive here. And I feel so blessed to have found this group.

Have a nice day everyone!

________________________________

To: Stillsdisease

Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 4:17 PM

Subject: Re: Re:Hello Fran/

Thanks, !

I've not heard of anyone else having a bad visit there.  I wonder if it was

the same doc?  The one I saw, about 4-5 years ago (?) was middle aged,

slender asian woman, but I've forgotten her name. (Memory loss is a huge

side (?) effect of either the disease or the medications, that's for sure!)

  Is that who your daughter saw?

When I reported back to my rheumatologist, he was unhappy to hear of my

experience, but it turned out that he had gone to medical school with her,

and had about the same opinion of her that I had!  I think if he knew

that's who I'd be seeing, he might have made a different choice at that

point!

Peace and Blessings to all,

*Holly *

*hollydorst@...*

*

*

On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 2:06 PM, Butterfly Chaser <

butterflychaser999@...> wrote:

> **

>

>

> Hi Group,

> I'm in agreement with Holly. The sdale AZ clinic is the one that my

> daughter was evaluated at as well and had a very similar experience.  I

> have heard that the Rochester clinic is better.

>

> Thanks for sharing Holly, it's so important for everyone to hear. And also

> Mayo may be great for certain illnesses and not so much for Still's??

>

> Peace, Joy , and Love,

>

>

>

> >To: Stillsdisease

> >Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 11:16 AM

>

> >Subject: Re: Re:Hello Fran/

> >

> >Hi everyone,

> >I've noticed several people waiting for Mayo Clinic appointments, and

> >wanted to share my experience with the Mayo Clinic in sdale, AZ.  I

> >was sent there by my rheumy to see what they thought was going on.  He had

> >already decided we were probably dealing with Stills, but wanted their

> >opinion and recommendations.

> >I saw a woman there who was very dismissive, and basically told me all my

> >symptoms would go away if I lost weight and exercised more.  I asked her

> if

> >she thought the high fevers and painful everything were really related to

> >my weight (170 lbs., then) and she said, 'yes.' But she thought the fevers

> >might be the flu.  Uh huh.  So, I get the flu every two weeks or so, for 8

> >years?!

> >So, there you have it, folks... everyone needs to exercise and drop some

> >pounds and we'll all be just fine.

> >Needless to say, I was very disappointed and very upset and got on the

> next

> >plane home.  After telling my then rheumy about it, he got me in to the

> >University of Colorado Hospital in Denver where they immediately diagnosed

> >Stills and started me on kineret, after trying several other things

> >prescribed by my previous rheumatologist, methotrexate, quinone, and many

> >other things.  Kineret has been the best for me overall, after a few false

> >starts with the injections site issues mentioned before.

> >I guess what I'm saying is, don't rely Mayo's reputation to be the answer

> >to your prayers.  The Rochester clinic may be better than the sdale

> >one, at least I  hope so, but the University Hospitals seem to know as

> much

> >as anybody as far as I can see.

> >That's not in any way to discourage people, I hope everyone can find

> >excellent care.  I just think Mayo clinics have been held up as the

> paragon

> >of medical excellence, and I think that people need to value their own

> >opinion rather than rely on reputation.

> >Good luck to everyone,

> >Peace and Blessings to all,

> >*Holly *

> >*hollydorst@...*

> >*

>

> >*

> >

> >

> >

> >On Sat, Jul 14, 2012 at 10:53 AM, Butterfly Chaser <

> >butterflychaser999@...> wrote:

> >

> >> **

>

> >>

> >>

> >> Hi ,

> >> You hang in there are I'll be praying for you.  Thanks for responding,

> >> even though you are not feeling well sweetie.  Just rest and comfort

> >> yourself.

> >> Time will tell, and that's about all we can count on at times.

> >>

> >> My daughter went through Mayo Clinic evaluation for her Still's.

> >> Unfortunately they would not give her a definite dianosis by exclusion

> >> only, so it was a waste of time.  She is on her third evaluation now and

> >> likes this new Rheumy. He has her back on Kinert which she always did

> quite

> >> well with.

> >>

> >> I have some roots of family not far form you in Madison, my Italian

> >> Granmother happened to be born in Milliwakee.  The family settled from

> >> Italy in that area and fished. Then they relocated to fish the open

> seas in

> >> San Diego where I am not born a second generation and still live here.

> >>

> >> Some day I would like to come visit my roots in WI. Are the winters hard

> >> on you? I can never get cool enough, so a colder climit might do well

> with

> >> me. And I hate heat so much and we have that tropical humid resort type

> >> climate right now. I did sit in the pool yesterday for 2 hours here at

> my

> >> condo, and that helped cool off a bit.

> >>

> >> Best of luck to you honey. Keep taking good care of yourself and keep me

> >> posted on how things are going with you ok?

> >>

> >> Love, Peace, and Joy,

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >> >To: " Stillsdisease " <Stillsdisease >

> >> >Sent: Saturday, July 14, 2012 12:17 AM

> >> >Subject: Re: Re:Hello Fran/

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >Hi , So sorry for getting back to you late. I haven't been feeling

> >> well. Still having such pain with the bladder infection and the fatigue

> is

> >> horrible! I can't stand it. It makes every day life a struggle. Just

> for me

> >> to get ready to go to my Rhem this morning took me over two hours. To

> >> answer your questions,hun, I've been on cortisone injections before and

> >> prednisone and now methotrioxate for the stills. Yet when I went to see

> my

> >> specialist today I still complained of the constant pain and burning I

> was

> >> having,lower right back pain and sharp pain in the pelvic area. She

> agreed

> >> to have me stop taking the Methotrioxate, seeing as I have an

> infection.Or

> >> do I? She said the culture came back negative...so why am I on Cipro

> then?

> >> And not to mention for the tenth billion time. No one seems to have

> >> answers. The Urologist in Madison actually said that this was all

> related

> >> to my stills yet my Rhem specialist didn't agree. So now I have a appt

> for a

> >> >Immunologist but can't get in until Oct 3rd. I'm also on a waiting list

> >> for MAYO for up to six months. I don't have the best insurance. (sigh)

> I've

> >> never had my adrenal glands checked. I know back in 09 I had to have a

> >> biopsy on my Thyroid Nodules. It came back fine. I really appreciate the

> >> advice and suggestions you've made and will look further into this.

> THANK

> >> YOU SO MUCH!!!!!!!! My point is I don't know why all these doctors

> continue

> >> to push these antibiotics on me when they just don't work. I've become

> so

> >> depressed this past year or so and losing hope in the medical system.

> I'm

> >> even thinking that since I'm gonna be going to UW in Madison to just

> start

> >> all over and get second opinions maybe even third. Can't hurt. Again,

> >> thanks so kindly. Truly,

> >> >

> >> >:)

> >> >

> >> >________________________________

> >> >From: Butterfly Chaser <mailto:butterflychaser999%40yahoo.com>

> >> >To: " mailto:Stillsdisease%40yahoogroups.com " <mailto:

> >> Stillsdisease%40yahoogroups.com>

> >> >Sent: Wednesday, July 11, 2012 1:56 AM

> >> >Subject: Re: Re:Hello Fran/

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >Hi,

> >> >Yes I have a suggestion for you. It might do you well to have them

> check

> >> your adrenal glands to make sure they are funcitoning well enough in a

> >> crisis. When the body gets an infection or calls on extra cortisol,

> there

> >> has to be enough in your adrenal reserves to cover the extra need for

> >> energy to fight what ever in a lot of cases bladder infecitons that are

> not

> >> obvious yet.

> >> >

> >> >Your symptoms sound a lot like adrenal insufficiency. Were you using

> >> corticosteroids in your life at any time or usng them now?

> >> >

> >> >Let us know how you are doing ok?

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >

> >> >From: manfredini <mailto:vbm1972%40yahoo.com>

> >> >>To: " mailto:Stillsdisease%40yahoogroups.com " <mailto:

> >> Stillsdisease%40yahoogroups.com>

> >> >>Sent: Monday, July 9, 2012 12:21 AM

> >> >>Subject: Re: Re:Hello Fran

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >>Hi , and everyone else. I have only posted once. Mainly because

> >> I've been in out of the hospitals lately. I just got married a few weeks

> >> ago and landed back in the hospital the day before the fourth of July. I

> >> had fainted and right in front of my hubby and complained of migraines

> and

> >> had fevers and feeling fatigued all day. I woke up to finding four

> >> paramedics in my home and rushed to the E.R. Once there many tests were

> >> performed and once again they ran the usual tests along with the

> cultures

> >> to test for any bacterias for a UTI bladder inf etc..of course it came

> back

> >> for a bladder infection. As i've been fighting these for over a year

> and a

> >> half now. I'm at the point where my fatigue,constant lower back

> pain,joint

> >> pain,chills,spiking fevers,rashes,and chronic migraines have me

> wondering

> >> if this truly is ADULT STILLS DISEASE and not something else. I've been

> to

> >> every specialist out there. I've exhausted them all. I've now started

> on a

> >> waiting list

> >> >>with the MAYO CLINIC and was told it would be six months. So now I am

> >> pretty much a advocate for myself. I'm feeling all alone in this and

> don't

> >> know what to think. I'm always in pain. Depressed and losing hope. I

> use to

> >> love my job and looked forward to working and now I have hired a lawyer

> and

> >> looked into collecting disability. I never thought this would be my

> life.

> >> It's frustrating. I am looking to get a second a opinion from U.W. I

> feel

> >> the CIPRO they have put me back on will not have any affect on me. The

> >> methotrioxate has helped with the flare ups to some degree I must add. I

> >> free in some areas it has helped. Any suggestions or ideas would be

> greatly

> >> appreciated. Thank you so kindly...Take Care...

> >> >>

> >> >>________________________________

> >> >>From: Francesca Fair <mailto:francescafair%40hotmail.co.uk>

> >> >>To: Stills Disease <mailto:stillsdisease%40yahoogroups.com>

> >> >>Sent: Friday, July 6, 2012 3:00 AM

> >> >>Subject: RE: Re:Hello Fran

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >>

> >> >>Dear , I'm so sorry it has taken me a while to write you. Like

> >> Holly, my heart hurt when I read about how alone you feel, and I think

> you

> >> are really brave to talk about that here. Functioning every day just

> feels

> >> like an uphill fight, doesn't it? It took me a long time to realise that

> >> part of my problem with that was I was " fighting the fight, " if that

> makes

> >> sense? Punishing myself when I can't do things, either by forcing

> myself to

> >> do them - and suffering even more for it - or being angry / upset /

> >> depressed about them...feeling as though I had failed. OK: here's the

> >> grandmother and eggs story - d'all use that phrase??? " Teaching your

> >> Grandmother to suck eggs " ? One of the biggest things I have learned from

> >> this family is about pacing and planning. And, I don't get it right - I

> >> haven't got it right this past two weeks and landed myself in a big mess

> >> (hence the delay in replying....). There is a good section on this on

> the

> >> Stills Foundation

> >> >>website, and it does take practise and diligence. Oh so easy to throw

> >> the plan out of the window when you are having a " good " day, right? And

> >> then again, somedays you will have the grand plan, and have it all

> mapped

> >> out but it goes pear shaped. What am I trying to say here? A skeleton

> plan,

> >> whether that's by day or by week, whatever you can manage, is something

> >> that works for me - and remembering to give yourself a pat on the back

> is

> >> an important part of that. At the same time, it is only skeleton and if

> it

> >> doesn't work out, it doesn't work out and you have not failed. In fact,

> you

> >> have won by perhaps curtailing the plan, or ditching something from it

> >> altogether, because you have recognised it's too much and reigned

> yourself

> >> in. I wonder how other peoples' planning goes and works out? My big

> lesson

> >> the last two weeks - I still cannot cope with incorporating the

> unexpected.

> >> I think I can / thought I could, but I can't. Furthermore, I need to be

> >> >>firmer with others in saying " no, I can't do that. Thank you, that's a

> >> lovely idea, but no. " It's not letting them down, it's not letting

> yourself

> >> down. You are being kind to yourself. Which I suppose brings me on to

> other

> >> people and the sense of isolation. Ach, , I just don't know what

> to

> >> say. It must be so hard for friends and family who one minute see us

> being

> >> " ok " (I'm sure you have the cover up down as well as the rest of us),

> and

> >> the next minute in a complete mess. On the other side, I know I feel

> that

> >> one minute they are understanding and I am overwhelmed by their

> kindesses,

> >> the next, I feel so hurt by an apparent lack of understanding and I am

> >> screaming inside " why can't you see? Why do you make me spell this out

> to

> >> you every, single time? " What is your situation, ? Do you live

> alone,

> >> or with family? What's the set up? I wonder if it would be useful to

> hear

> >> from friends / family - their story? It would seem like a timely

> >> >>moment for that if there is anyone out there prepared to offer their

> >> perspective or experiences. Hugs to you all - and you are not alone,

> >> . I'm so sorry it took me a while to reply. Please do let us know

> how

> >> you are going. Fran x

> >> >>To: mailto:Stillsdisease%40yahoogroups.com

> >> >>From: mailto:angela6_21%40hotmail.com

> >> >>Date: Tue, 26 Jun 2012 02:34:34 +0000

> >> >>Subject: Re:Hello Fran

> >> >>

> >> >>Honestly Fran I don't know how I function day in and day out. At times

> >> when I am surrounded by people I feel very much alone. No one around me

> >> understands what I feel or go through except this group of people.

> >> >>

> >> >>.

> >> >>

> >> >>

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Hi ,

Losing my job was extremely hard for me because I had so much work ethic

build inside of me. I had to come to gripes that I am way more than my

job. The job did not define me. I walked myself through a mourning

process with help from a pain class (in Madison, WI if you want the info,

just ask). Mourning the person that I was, my abilities, activities, my

job. I had to learn that deep down inside, I was the same person. I had to

learn to love the self I am right here and now, even with the pain and

fatigue. I stopped talking badly to myself. I was soooo hard on myself.

Whenever I start to fall in that pit, I use the statement " I will be kind

to myself in this moment " . I would never talk to another person the way I

talked to myself. Right now, I'm doing the best that I can. I also

started taking a anti-depressant. Going on one was not failing, it was

helping. I choose cymbalta because my fibro friends found that it helped

with their pain. For me, it lifted some of the all over body pain.

If you want, I can point you in the directions of some of the doctors that

have helped me in Madison. We are all different so they may not work for

you but it's a place to start, if you like.

Take care, gentle hugs,

J.J.

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Hi ,

Losing my job was extremely hard for me because I had so much work ethic

build inside of me. I had to come to gripes that I am way more than my

job. The job did not define me. I walked myself through a mourning

process with help from a pain class (in Madison, WI if you want the info,

just ask). Mourning the person that I was, my abilities, activities, my

job. I had to learn that deep down inside, I was the same person. I had to

learn to love the self I am right here and now, even with the pain and

fatigue. I stopped talking badly to myself. I was soooo hard on myself.

Whenever I start to fall in that pit, I use the statement " I will be kind

to myself in this moment " . I would never talk to another person the way I

talked to myself. Right now, I'm doing the best that I can. I also

started taking a anti-depressant. Going on one was not failing, it was

helping. I choose cymbalta because my fibro friends found that it helped

with their pain. For me, it lifted some of the all over body pain.

If you want, I can point you in the directions of some of the doctors that

have helped me in Madison. We are all different so they may not work for

you but it's a place to start, if you like.

Take care, gentle hugs,

J.J.

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Hi J.J. I just wanted to thank you for your words of wisdom which I found really

supportive. Like so many others, I just loved my job and loved my work place and

colleagues. Having to give it up, which also meant for me a move back to the UK

from South Carolina, destroyed me...in turn making the Still's so much worse.

Two years later, I am slowly starting to stop beating myself up. I have huge

difficulties though with my sense of self worth and my identity is just shot.

Meeting my boyfriend has changed things a lot. I am fortunate in that he is

incredibly supportive and intuitive. The point is that I am determined to find

the new equilibrium for him. I trust that he genuinely wants for me to be happy

and when I am lost in the doldrums, it hurts him. Now, I have four hours a

week voluntary work - and they are flexible hours. Actually, I had more hours

than that but have cut them back. I am really fortunate that the organization I

help out understand completely and are very supportive and encouraging. As

says, it seems like so many of us are " over achievers " and were accustomed to

and thrived on a high octane life. Your email landed at just the right moment

for me, J.J. Thank you. Hugs and hoping for a restful day for all, Fran

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Good Morning J J And Everyone!

Thank you all for your kind words and support. The advice given I take

seriously. J J I would LOVE for you to give me any doctors in Madison that you

may find can help me. I was even thinking of getting a second opinion in regards

to my stills. I'm feeling over whelmed and confused. I haven't felt myself in

along time. This past year and half has been the roughest. I wanted to mention.

With Stills,is it harder on us during the winter months verses Summer? I noticed

a huge change in myself on how I feel and the winters are brutal and I'm in the

hospital alot more with spiking fevers and the rashes are more severe. Thank you

for your most kind help. I so related to what you said about your work ethic. I

am having a difficult time being off. I have to make a final decision this

Friday if I'm returning back to work or not. My heart wants so badly to be back

in the work field but I know once there it won't last long.I'll fall Ill again

and the pattern repeats

itself. Again, I truly appreciate your help. Very truly,

________________________________

To: Stillsdisease

Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 1:10 PM

Subject: Re: Re:Hello Fran/

 

Hi ,

Losing my job was extremely hard for me because I had so much work ethic

build inside of me. I had to come to gripes that I am way more than my

job. The job did not define me. I walked myself through a mourning

process with help from a pain class (in Madison, WI if you want the info,

just ask). Mourning the person that I was, my abilities, activities, my

job. I had to learn that deep down inside, I was the same person. I had to

learn to love the self I am right here and now, even with the pain and

fatigue. I stopped talking badly to myself. I was soooo hard on myself.

Whenever I start to fall in that pit, I use the statement " I will be kind

to myself in this moment " . I would never talk to another person the way I

talked to myself. Right now, I'm doing the best that I can. I also

started taking a anti-depressant. Going on one was not failing, it was

helping. I choose cymbalta because my fibro friends found that it helped

with their pain. For me, it lifted some of the all over body pain.

If you want, I can point you in the directions of some of the doctors that

have helped me in Madison. We are all different so they may not work for

you but it's a place to start, if you like.

Take care, gentle hugs,

J.J.

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Hi JJ and ,

 

I'm a mom of a 30 year old daugher, and one of her main problems has been fevers

daily. do you get these? It seems like the Kinneret is keeping the fevers from

getting as high.

 

I have other autoimmune disorders that have similar symptoms but no fevers. I'm

trying to learn as much as I can to help her. I see my baby girl suffer and when

I hear about other young girls or anyone suffering and living a life that has

such limitations for your age, my heart breaks.

 

I'm like an old mother hen. I'm a mom in my heart to everyone who needs one. I

will always believe in your sickness and symptoms. I will never tell you that I

think you are faking it. I will help you in any way I can to support you. You'll

always be my little chicks who I will cherish and nurture virtually on line or

if allowed another way.

 

God bless you all, and I'm always praying for a cure for this. Come to me

anytime you need to vent, cry, or have a step in the right direction.

 

I send love to you all,

(Melani's Mom)

>To: " Stillsdisease " <Stillsdisease >

>Sent: Tuesday, July 17, 2012 7:58 AM

>Subject: Re: Re:Hello Fran/

>

>

> 

>Good Morning J J And Everyone!

>

>Thank you all for your kind words and support. The advice given I take

seriously. J J I would LOVE for you to give me any doctors in Madison that you

may find can help me. I was even thinking of getting a second opinion in regards

to my stills. I'm feeling over whelmed and confused. I haven't felt myself in

along time. This past year and half has been the roughest. I wanted to mention.

With Stills,is it harder on us during the winter months verses Summer? I noticed

a huge change in myself on how I feel and the winters are brutal and I'm in the

hospital alot more with spiking fevers and the rashes are more severe. Thank you

for your most kind help. I so related to what you said about your work ethic. I

am having a difficult time being off. I have to make a final decision this

Friday if I'm returning back to work or not. My heart wants so badly to be back

in the work field but I know once there it won't last long.I'll fall Ill again

and the pattern repeats

>itself. Again, I truly appreciate your help. Very truly,

>

>________________________________

>From: J. Bird <mailto:yo1chana%40gmail.com>

>To: mailto:Stillsdisease%40yahoogroups.com

>Sent: Monday, July 16, 2012 1:10 PM

>Subject: Re: Re:Hello Fran/

>

>

> 

>Hi ,

>

>Losing my job was extremely hard for me because I had so much work ethic

>build inside of me. I had to come to gripes that I am way more than my

>job. The job did not define me. I walked myself through a mourning

>process with help from a pain class (in Madison, WI if you want the info,

>just ask). Mourning the person that I was, my abilities, activities, my

>job. I had to learn that deep down inside, I was the same person. I had to

>learn to love the self I am right here and now, even with the pain and

>fatigue. I stopped talking badly to myself. I was soooo hard on myself.

>Whenever I start to fall in that pit, I use the statement " I will be kind

>to myself in this moment " . I would never talk to another person the way I

>talked to myself. Right now, I'm doing the best that I can. I also

>started taking a anti-depressant. Going on one was not failing, it was

>helping. I choose cymbalta because my fibro friends found that it helped

>with their pain. For me, it lifted some of the all over body pain.

>

>If you want, I can point you in the directions of some of the doctors that

>have helped me in Madison. We are all different so they may not work for

>you but it's a place to start, if you like.

>

>Take care, gentle hugs,

>J.J.

>

>

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