Re: salicylates,amines and phenols?? the penny explained

[Guest guest]

Hi everyone,

After I sent my post last night I wondered whether the expression

about the penny might be an Australian or British idiom, and

therefore perhaps bewildering to American readers. Sorry about that!

It refers to putting a penny/coin in a slot machine. The machine

won't work until the penny actually drops down into the mechanism. So

for me, it meant that everything was starting to fall into place. The

fact that phenols in foods that did not contain salicylates were not

a different chemical group to amines but the same thing was the key

for me. I had been panicking that there was some other chemical out

there that I didn't know about and would probably need to know about,

because seems to react to everything that there is to react

to!

Dana, to try to explain myself a little more clearly:

----snip from your post----

>> Bananas and grapes contain different types of amines (not all

amine

>> responders react to all the varieties of amines). Could it be that

>> both of your son's reactions to the grapes are phenolic, one to

the

>> (phenolic) salicylates and one to the phenolic amines in the

grapes?

>> My son's reactions to amines differ significantly to his reactions

to salicylates.

>I am sooooooo NOT sure I understand this LOL, but it can possibly be

>an accurate description. With this new phenol product, it does take

>more product to ensure no reaction with the grapes, and " standard "

>amount to work with bananas.

Your son probably sleeps OK with 1/3 banana, because lack of sleep is

not an amine reaction (bananas contain only amines and no

salicylates). Also. the amount or type of amines in 1/3 banana may

not be enough to cause an amine reaction for him.

Re the grapes: you described two separate reactions, one I would call

a salicylate reaction (laughing, hyper), the other I would call an

amine reaction (waves his hands in front of his face - is this one of

his stims? --and major diarrhea). (There are certain stims that I

only ever see in after he has had an amine infraction.) Since

both amines and salicylates are phenols, both of these reactions are

in fact phenolic reactions. Grapes contain both salicylates and

amines (and glutamates, but I haven't had time to work out where they

fit in yet). The amines in grapes are different to those in bananas,

so he may well react to one sort and not the other.

I hope I have been a little clearer this time. But don't hesitate to

ask again or to ask any other questions. I am actually finding it

very helpful for myself to have to elucidate more clearly what is

going on in my head.

regards

Australian, living in Manila, Philippines