Guest guest Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 Dear , Thanks for this. It rings all the alarm bells for sure, but I don't think the English is all that poor. I wouldn't have said it was written by a 'foreigner', only by someone a little careless who didn't bother to polish it - and it doesn't need all that much polish, at that. For example, it should be " you will receive an autoresponder message " and there is a missing apostrophe also, something that sadly many native speakers are ignorant about. The tenses are OK, I would have said, and tenses are one of the pitfalls that trap the unwary 'foreigner'. > Dear Listmates, > Please be careful if you receive the email below. > I could'nt tell you exactly why, but I " feel " a danger in it. Maybe > because > of this sentence : > " This window of >> opportunity will only be accessible for a few days before its >> closed for good. " > and again : " > " When you register, you will receive an autoresponder that >> contains information that is not relevant to you, except for a >> confirmation of the password/username " (fantastic !! I will receive an > autoresponder machine, not relevant to me of course :-)))) or again : > " Again, this link will be removed very shortly, so please sign in >> today. " . > Please note that even me, a basic French-speaking person, is able to > understand that this message is written in an English language even worst > than mine (!!), that sounds typically from a " foreigner " to my ears. > Please > do not send your personal data to this person. > - moderator. > > A new tool for translators > > >> Dear Sir/Madam, >> >> My apologies for interrupting your daily activities, but I have a >> piece of news that I hope you will appreciate. The website >> www.TheRateIsRight.com is currently being built to help aspiring >> and experienced translators alike by providing a hub where you >> can register data about what rate your agencies are paying you. >> In return, you'll be able to search through everyone else's >> information, thus giving you the possibility to find out if >> you're being paid less/more than your fellow translators, and >> also where you can go to get better rates. It is our hope and >> goal that this service will be very valuable to both freelance >> translators and translation agencies. >> At the moment, we're finalizing the database, and we are >> therefore inviting a select few to test this database for free. >> This will be a paid service, but as a thank you for your >> participating in making sure that the database is stable, we will >> give you a free year's access to this database. This window of >> opportunity will only be accessible for a few days before its >> closed for good. We hope you will take advantage of this one-time >> offer, and at the same time be the first ones to experience this >> unique service. There is no similar service available on the >> Internet at the moment, and the reason for making it a paid >> service, is to make sure that the data registered is valid and >> useful, and so we ask you to consider this as well, should you >> take us up on this offer. >> >> When you register, you will receive an autoresponder that >> contains information that is not relevant to you, except for a >> confirmation of the password/username that you have chosen (the >> autoresponder is meant for paying subscribers). Login and any >> other information is obviously completely anonymous. It is not >> possible to link e-mail addresses to any information given on >> this site. We understand that people want to enjoy this service >> under full anonymity. >> >> Please go to this URL: www.therateisright.com/register.html . >> Again, this link will be removed very shortly, so please sign in >> today. >> >> One last thing: We would like to ask you not to forward this link >> to anyone else. You have been chosen because of your track record >> on Proz.com, and we would like to make sure that our invite is >> not extended to anyone else. >> >> Thank you for your support. >> >> / TheRateIsRight >> >> ---------------------------------------- >> This message was sent to you via the ProZ.com directory. >> Sender: TheRateIsRight >> Sender's profile: http://proz.com/profile/969748 >> Sender's IP address: 83.109.91.248 >> To adjust your ProZ.com email preferences, visit this page: >> http://proz.com/?sp=ef >> For technical assistance, please submit a support ticket: >> http://proz.com/support >> ---------------------------------------- >> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 Dear , Thank you for your useful comments. They match with those of best friend - Dee Braig - who is a pure English person. Curiously, when I read that message, I had the strange feeling that it was written by an Asiatic person. This said, you'll certainly be surprised by the ProZ reaction. Thank you for your contribution - Moderator A new tool for translators > > >> Dear Sir/Madam, >> >> My apologies for interrupting your daily activities, but I have a >> piece of news that I hope you will appreciate. The website >> www.TheRateIsRight.com is currently being built to help aspiring >> and experienced translators alike by providing a hub where you >> can register data about what rate your agencies are paying you. >> In return, you'll be able to search through everyone else's >> information, thus giving you the possibility to find out if >> you're being paid less/more than your fellow translators, and >> also where you can go to get better rates. It is our hope and >> goal that this service will be very valuable to both freelance >> translators and translation agencies. >> At the moment, we're finalizing the database, and we are >> therefore inviting a select few to test this database for free. >> This will be a paid service, but as a thank you for your >> participating in making sure that the database is stable, we will >> give you a free year's access to this database. This window of >> opportunity will only be accessible for a few days before its >> closed for good. We hope you will take advantage of this one-time >> offer, and at the same time be the first ones to experience this >> unique service. There is no similar service available on the >> Internet at the moment, and the reason for making it a paid >> service, is to make sure that the data registered is valid and >> useful, and so we ask you to consider this as well, should you >> take us up on this offer. >> >> When you register, you will receive an autoresponder that >> contains information that is not relevant to you, except for a >> confirmation of the password/username that you have chosen (the >> autoresponder is meant for paying subscribers). Login and any >> other information is obviously completely anonymous. It is not >> possible to link e-mail addresses to any information given on >> this site. We understand that people want to enjoy this service >> under full anonymity. >> >> Please go to this URL: www.therateisright.com/register.html . >> Again, this link will be removed very shortly, so please sign in >> today. >> >> One last thing: We would like to ask you not to forward this link >> to anyone else. You have been chosen because of your track record >> on Proz.com, and we would like to make sure that our invite is >> not extended to anyone else. >> >> Thank you for your support. >> >> / TheRateIsRight >> >> ---------------------------------------- >> This message was sent to you via the ProZ.com directory. >> Sender: TheRateIsRight >> Sender's profile: http://proz.com/profile/969748 >> Sender's IP address: 83.109.91.248 >> To adjust your ProZ.com email preferences, visit this page: >> http://proz.com/?sp=ef >> For technical assistance, please submit a support ticket: >> http://proz.com/support >> ---------------------------------------- >> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 > you'll certainly be surprised by the ProZ reaction. Come on, don't keep us in suspense: what WAS the Proz reaction? ;-) > A new tool for translators > > > > > >> Dear Sir/Madam, > >> > >> My apologies for interrupting your daily activities, but I have a > >> piece of news that I hope you will appreciate. The website > >> www.TheRateIsRight.com is currently being built to help aspiring > >> and experienced translators alike by providing a hub where you > >> can register data about what rate your agencies are paying you. > >> In return, you'll be able to search through everyone else's > >> information, thus giving you the possibility to find out if > >> you're being paid less/more than your fellow translators, and > >> also where you can go to get better rates. It is our hope and > >> goal that this service will be very valuable to both freelance > >> translators and translation agencies. > >> At the moment, we're finalizing the database, and we are > >> therefore inviting a select few to test this database for free. > >> This will be a paid service, but as a thank you for your > >> participating in making sure that the database is stable, we will > >> give you a free year's access to this database. This window of > >> opportunity will only be accessible for a few days before its > >> closed for good. We hope you will take advantage of this one-time > >> offer, and at the same time be the first ones to experience this > >> unique service. There is no similar service available on the > >> Internet at the moment, and the reason for making it a paid > >> service, is to make sure that the data registered is valid and > >> useful, and so we ask you to consider this as well, should you > >> take us up on this offer. > >> > >> When you register, you will receive an autoresponder that > >> contains information that is not relevant to you, except for a > >> confirmation of the password/username that you have chosen (the > >> autoresponder is meant for paying subscribers). Login and any > >> other information is obviously completely anonymous. It is not > >> possible to link e-mail addresses to any information given on > >> this site. We understand that people want to enjoy this service > >> under full anonymity. > >> > >> Please go to this URL: www.therateisright.com/register.html . > >> Again, this link will be removed very shortly, so please sign in > >> today. > >> > >> One last thing: We would like to ask you not to forward this link > >> to anyone else. You have been chosen because of your track record > >> on Proz.com, and we would like to make sure that our invite is > >> not extended to anyone else. > >> > >> Thank you for your support. > >> > >> / TheRateIsRight > >> > >> ---------------------------------------- > >> This message was sent to you via the ProZ.com directory. > >> Sender: TheRateIsRight > >> Sender's profile: http://proz.com/profile/969748 > >> Sender's IP address: 83.109.91.248 > >> To adjust your ProZ.com email preferences, visit this page: > >> http://proz.com/?sp=ef > >> For technical assistance, please submit a support ticket: > >> http://proz.com/support > >> ---------------------------------------- > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 This sounds like an unfortunate misunderstanding and I hope it can be resolved amicably. If anyone is interested, the site appears to be put together by someone in Scandinavia. It's probably legitimate, although I wouldn't be interested anymore since I've decided to no longer market to agencies. Here is the " WhoIs " information on the site: Registrant: Tripod Translations Norway (TRIPODTR824) Solbakken 12 Tynset, , 2500 NO Domain name: therateisright.com Administrative and Technical contact: Master, Host (HM6761) One.com Kalvebod Brygge 45 Copenhagen V, , 1560 DK +45.46907100 Fax: +45.70205872 Record created: 2008-08-02 12:35:05 Record last updated: 2008-08-02 16:23:47 Record expires: 2009-08-02 15:25:00 Dawn Montague > > Dear , > I did not want to keep you in suspense. The problem is that my English is certainly so bad that they finally decided (the ProZ staff) to banish me and to consider me as the culprit, WHILE I was the victim and I was only trying to alert colleagues against a potential pollution. > You'll certainly see the message gathering our exchanges with ProZ that I copied to M_T. > Thank you so much for your help. > > > A new tool for translators > > > > > > > > >> Dear Sir/Madam, > > >> > > >> My apologies for interrupting your daily activities, but I have a > > >> piece of news that I hope you will appreciate. The website > > >> www.TheRateIsRight.com is currently being built to help aspiring > > >> and experienced translators alike by providing a hub where you > > >> can register data about what rate your agencies are paying you. > > >> In return, you'll be able to search through everyone else's > > >> information, thus giving you the possibility to find out if > > >> you're being paid less/more than your fellow translators, and > > >> also where you can go to get better rates. It is our hope and > > >> goal that this service will be very valuable to both freelance > > >> translators and translation agencies. > > >> At the moment, we're finalizing the database, and we are > > >> therefore inviting a select few to test this database for free. > > >> This will be a paid service, but as a thank you for your > > >> participating in making sure that the database is stable, we will > > >> give you a free year's access to this database. This window of > > >> opportunity will only be accessible for a few days before its > > >> closed for good. We hope you will take advantage of this one- time > > >> offer, and at the same time be the first ones to experience this > > >> unique service. There is no similar service available on the > > >> Internet at the moment, and the reason for making it a paid > > >> service, is to make sure that the data registered is valid and > > >> useful, and so we ask you to consider this as well, should you > > >> take us up on this offer. > > >> > > >> When you register, you will receive an autoresponder that > > >> contains information that is not relevant to you, except for a > > >> confirmation of the password/username that you have chosen (the > > >> autoresponder is meant for paying subscribers). Login and any > > >> other information is obviously completely anonymous. It is not > > >> possible to link e-mail addresses to any information given on > > >> this site. We understand that people want to enjoy this service > > >> under full anonymity. > > >> > > >> Please go to this URL: www.therateisright.com/register.html . > > >> Again, this link will be removed very shortly, so please sign in > > >> today. > > >> > > >> One last thing: We would like to ask you not to forward this link > > >> to anyone else. You have been chosen because of your track record > > >> on Proz.com, and we would like to make sure that our invite is > > >> not extended to anyone else. > > >> > > >> Thank you for your support. > > >> > > >> / TheRateIsRight > > >> > > >> ---------------------------------------- > > >> This message was sent to you via the ProZ.com directory. > > >> Sender: TheRateIsRight > > >> Sender's profile: http://proz.com/profile/969748 > > >> Sender's IP address: 83.109.91.248 > > >> To adjust your ProZ.com email preferences, visit this page: > > >> http://proz.com/?sp=ef > > >> For technical assistance, please submit a support ticket: > > >> http://proz.com/support > > >> ---------------------------------------- > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 , the hustle, hustle, rush, rush is a pretty good indicator. Someone wants to make you rush into something. I agree with , I'd steer well clear of them if they think that's the way respectable people do business. , I agree with Dawn, I think it was probably a misunderstanding - someone doing what sadly I often do, rushing into answering an e-mail after reading only half of it. I think she thought it was you who was doing the hustling. I suspect a diplomatic suggestion that she actually read your post might cause a bit of a red face at the ProZ end but will hopefully resolve the problem. All the best Owen At 21:33 24/11/2008 +0100, you wrote: >Hi listmates, > >Could anyone possibly hint why that message 'rings all the alarm bells'? >Non-payer databases/portals/forums are not that infrequent, and most of >new service providers contact potential clients by very similar mass >mails. And while not every service provider has been born as an English >native speaker, this does not necessarily mean their service offer is a >fraud. > >BTW, their IP address has been registered in Norway, not Nigeria. > >And as long as you don't send the guy any money nor your credit card >number, there is not that much in stake, or is it? > >Please don't get me wrong: I am not saying you should subscribe or even >pay them. The Proz's Blueboard is IMHO a quite sufficient tool, no need >to pay for another one. I am merely suggesting that we don't panic every >time a service offer lands in our mailbox. > >Cheers, > > > > >kinory@... napsal(a): >> Dear , >> >> Thanks for this. It rings all the alarm bells for sure, but I don't think >> the English is all that poor. I wouldn't have said it was written by a >> 'foreigner', only by someone a little careless who didn't bother to polish >> it - and it doesn't need all that much polish, at that. For example, it >> should be " you will receive an autoresponder message " and there is a >> missing apostrophe also, something that sadly many native speakers are >> ignorant about. The tenses are OK, I would have said, and tenses are one >> of the pitfalls that trap the unwary 'foreigner'. >> >> >>> Dear Listmates, >>> Please be careful if you receive the email below. >>> I could'nt tell you exactly why, but I " feel " a danger in it. Maybe >>> because >>> of this sentence : >>> " This window of >>>> opportunity will only be accessible for a few days before its >>>> closed for good. " >>> and again : " >>> " When you register, you will receive an autoresponder that >>>> contains information that is not relevant to you, except for a >>>> confirmation of the password/username " (fantastic !! I will receive an >>> autoresponder machine, not relevant to me of course :-)))) or again : >>> " Again, this link will be removed very shortly, so please sign in >>>> today. " . >>> Please note that even me, a basic French-speaking person, is able to >>> understand that this message is written in an English language even worst >>> than mine (!!), that sounds typically from a " foreigner " to my ears. >>> Please >>> do not send your personal data to this person. >>> - moderator. >>> >>> A new tool for translators >>> >>> >>>> Dear Sir/Madam, >>>> >>>> My apologies for interrupting your daily activities, but I have a >>>> piece of news that I hope you will appreciate. The website >>>> www.TheRateIsRight.com is currently being built to help aspiring >>>> and experienced translators alike by providing a hub where you >>>> can register data about what rate your agencies are paying you. >>>> In return, you'll be able to search through everyone else's >>>> information, thus giving you the possibility to find out if >>>> you're being paid less/more than your fellow translators, and >>>> also where you can go to get better rates. It is our hope and >>>> goal that this service will be very valuable to both freelance >>>> translators and translation agencies. >>>> At the moment, we're finalizing the database, and we are >>>> therefore inviting a select few to test this database for free. >>>> This will be a paid service, but as a thank you for your >>>> participating in making sure that the database is stable, we will >>>> give you a free year's access to this database. This window of >>>> opportunity will only be accessible for a few days before its >>>> closed for good. We hope you will take advantage of this one-time >>>> offer, and at the same time be the first ones to experience this >>>> unique service. There is no similar service available on the >>>> Internet at the moment, and the reason for making it a paid >>>> service, is to make sure that the data registered is valid and >>>> useful, and so we ask you to consider this as well, should you >>>> take us up on this offer. >>>> >>>> When you register, you will receive an autoresponder that >>>> contains information that is not relevant to you, except for a >>>> confirmation of the password/username that you have chosen (the >>>> autoresponder is meant for paying subscribers). Login and any >>>> other information is obviously completely anonymous. It is not >>>> possible to link e-mail addresses to any information given on >>>> this site. We understand that people want to enjoy this service >>>> under full anonymity. >>>> >>>> Please go to this URL: www.therateisright.com/register.html . >>>> Again, this link will be removed very shortly, so please sign in >>>> today. >>>> >>>> One last thing: We would like to ask you not to forward this link >>>> to anyone else. You have been chosen because of your track record >>>> on Proz.com, and we would like to make sure that our invite is >>>> not extended to anyone else. >>>> >>>> Thank you for your support. >>>> >>>> / TheRateIsRight >>>> >>>> ---------------------------------------- >>>> This message was sent to you via the ProZ.com directory. >>>> Sender: TheRateIsRight >>>> Sender's profile: http://proz.com/profile/969748 >>>> Sender's IP address: 83.109.91.248 >>>> To adjust your ProZ.com email preferences, visit this page: >>>> http://proz.com/?sp=ef >>>> For technical assistance, please submit a support ticket: >>>> http://proz.com/support >>>> ---------------------------------------- >>>> >>> >>> >> > >------------------------------------ > >URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/medical_translation > >In case of any problem with this list, you can reach the moderator at cgtradmed@.... >The FAQs of our list are available at : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/medical_translation/files/M_T-FAQS.doc > >To unsubscribe, please send an *empty* message to >medical_translation-UNSUBSCRIBE@...! Groups Links > > > >Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.9/1808 - Release Date: 11/23/2008 6:59 PM > Owen Beith - Translations FR/SP/PT>EN 70 Sewardstone Road, London E2 9JG +44 (0) 20 8981 9879 Alternative e-mail address: beithowen@... (but ring and tell me). ********************************************************************* Read " Under the UN Flag " by Hasan Nuhanovic - how the Dutch state and the United Nations abandoned the people of Srebrenica to genocide in July 1995. http://www.undertheunflag.com/ " Free Jean-Claude Kavumbagu " http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/FreeJeanClaudeKavumbagu?e Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 24, 2008 Report Share Posted November 24, 2008 , the hustle, hustle, rush, rush is a pretty good indicator. Someone wants to make you rush into something. I agree with , I'd steer well clear of them if they think that's the way respectable people do business. , I agree with Dawn, I think it was probably a misunderstanding - someone doing what sadly I often do, rushing into answering an e-mail after reading only half of it. I think she thought it was you who was doing the hustling. I suspect a diplomatic suggestion that she actually read your post might cause a bit of a red face at the ProZ end but will hopefully resolve the problem. All the best Owen At 21:33 24/11/2008 +0100, you wrote: >Hi listmates, > >Could anyone possibly hint why that message 'rings all the alarm bells'? >Non-payer databases/portals/forums are not that infrequent, and most of >new service providers contact potential clients by very similar mass >mails. And while not every service provider has been born as an English >native speaker, this does not necessarily mean their service offer is a >fraud. > >BTW, their IP address has been registered in Norway, not Nigeria. > >And as long as you don't send the guy any money nor your credit card >number, there is not that much in stake, or is it? > >Please don't get me wrong: I am not saying you should subscribe or even >pay them. The Proz's Blueboard is IMHO a quite sufficient tool, no need >to pay for another one. I am merely suggesting that we don't panic every >time a service offer lands in our mailbox. > >Cheers, > > > > >kinory@... napsal(a): >> Dear , >> >> Thanks for this. It rings all the alarm bells for sure, but I don't think >> the English is all that poor. I wouldn't have said it was written by a >> 'foreigner', only by someone a little careless who didn't bother to polish >> it - and it doesn't need all that much polish, at that. For example, it >> should be " you will receive an autoresponder message " and there is a >> missing apostrophe also, something that sadly many native speakers are >> ignorant about. The tenses are OK, I would have said, and tenses are one >> of the pitfalls that trap the unwary 'foreigner'. >> >> >>> Dear Listmates, >>> Please be careful if you receive the email below. >>> I could'nt tell you exactly why, but I " feel " a danger in it. Maybe >>> because >>> of this sentence : >>> " This window of >>>> opportunity will only be accessible for a few days before its >>>> closed for good. " >>> and again : " >>> " When you register, you will receive an autoresponder that >>>> contains information that is not relevant to you, except for a >>>> confirmation of the password/username " (fantastic !! I will receive an >>> autoresponder machine, not relevant to me of course :-)))) or again : >>> " Again, this link will be removed very shortly, so please sign in >>>> today. " . >>> Please note that even me, a basic French-speaking person, is able to >>> understand that this message is written in an English language even worst >>> than mine (!!), that sounds typically from a " foreigner " to my ears. >>> Please >>> do not send your personal data to this person. >>> - moderator. >>> >>> A new tool for translators >>> >>> >>>> Dear Sir/Madam, >>>> >>>> My apologies for interrupting your daily activities, but I have a >>>> piece of news that I hope you will appreciate. The website >>>> www.TheRateIsRight.com is currently being built to help aspiring >>>> and experienced translators alike by providing a hub where you >>>> can register data about what rate your agencies are paying you. >>>> In return, you'll be able to search through everyone else's >>>> information, thus giving you the possibility to find out if >>>> you're being paid less/more than your fellow translators, and >>>> also where you can go to get better rates. It is our hope and >>>> goal that this service will be very valuable to both freelance >>>> translators and translation agencies. >>>> At the moment, we're finalizing the database, and we are >>>> therefore inviting a select few to test this database for free. >>>> This will be a paid service, but as a thank you for your >>>> participating in making sure that the database is stable, we will >>>> give you a free year's access to this database. This window of >>>> opportunity will only be accessible for a few days before its >>>> closed for good. We hope you will take advantage of this one-time >>>> offer, and at the same time be the first ones to experience this >>>> unique service. There is no similar service available on the >>>> Internet at the moment, and the reason for making it a paid >>>> service, is to make sure that the data registered is valid and >>>> useful, and so we ask you to consider this as well, should you >>>> take us up on this offer. >>>> >>>> When you register, you will receive an autoresponder that >>>> contains information that is not relevant to you, except for a >>>> confirmation of the password/username that you have chosen (the >>>> autoresponder is meant for paying subscribers). Login and any >>>> other information is obviously completely anonymous. It is not >>>> possible to link e-mail addresses to any information given on >>>> this site. We understand that people want to enjoy this service >>>> under full anonymity. >>>> >>>> Please go to this URL: www.therateisright.com/register.html . >>>> Again, this link will be removed very shortly, so please sign in >>>> today. >>>> >>>> One last thing: We would like to ask you not to forward this link >>>> to anyone else. You have been chosen because of your track record >>>> on Proz.com, and we would like to make sure that our invite is >>>> not extended to anyone else. >>>> >>>> Thank you for your support. >>>> >>>> / TheRateIsRight >>>> >>>> ---------------------------------------- >>>> This message was sent to you via the ProZ.com directory. >>>> Sender: TheRateIsRight >>>> Sender's profile: http://proz.com/profile/969748 >>>> Sender's IP address: 83.109.91.248 >>>> To adjust your ProZ.com email preferences, visit this page: >>>> http://proz.com/?sp=ef >>>> For technical assistance, please submit a support ticket: >>>> http://proz.com/support >>>> ---------------------------------------- >>>> >>> >>> >> > >------------------------------------ > >URL: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/medical_translation > >In case of any problem with this list, you can reach the moderator at cgtradmed@.... >The FAQs of our list are available at : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/medical_translation/files/M_T-FAQS.doc > >To unsubscribe, please send an *empty* message to >medical_translation-UNSUBSCRIBE@...! Groups Links > > > >Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com >Version: 8.0.175 / Virus Database: 270.9.9/1808 - Release Date: 11/23/2008 6:59 PM > Owen Beith - Translations FR/SP/PT>EN 70 Sewardstone Road, London E2 9JG +44 (0) 20 8981 9879 Alternative e-mail address: beithowen@... (but ring and tell me). ********************************************************************* Read " Under the UN Flag " by Hasan Nuhanovic - how the Dutch state and the United Nations abandoned the people of Srebrenica to genocide in July 1995. http://www.undertheunflag.com/ " Free Jean-Claude Kavumbagu " http://www.ipetitions.com/petition/FreeJeanClaudeKavumbagu?e Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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