Guest guest Posted June 13, 2006 Report Share Posted June 13, 2006 LDN: STARTING DOSES, STOPPING: The majority of persons who take LDN do start with the full dosage - in my first study we all did, as it did not occur to me to have it start less. Most adults start with the full dose without any problems, as well as most kids. Then I started suggesting particularly for small kids that parents use 1/2 dose just for a couple of days to get the child used to it slowly, but asked them to amp up to full dose as soon as possible. Some parents do report that their child does better on smaller doses; however, I recommend that they try to get to full dose as quickly as possible to get through the adjustment faster and start helping the immune modulation that we all want for our kids. Once they really give it a good try on full dose and still have problems, then I think it is reasonable to go to a lower dose rather than stop unless they continue to have bad effects even on the lower dose. If someone has already been at full dose for 4 weeks and still seems to be concerned, you might try a smaller dose and see how it works. I of course prefer the full dose if it is tolerable, as I am aiming for immune optimization and am not sure the small doses will do it. But, parents have to live with their children and each must decide what is tolerable in any therapy. Kids are all different, so doses may have to be different too. What I do ask is that parents examine the dietary intake before stopping or even before taking the dose down - if the negative reaction is due to the small amount of opioid antagonism that LDN initially provides with each dose, this means to me that they are eating foods that ultimately inflame the gi tract and prevent them from not only optimum immune function (over 70% of immune functioning is from the gut) but from maximizing their recovery from autism. They are basically having a withdrawal reaction to their " fix " in many cases of bad reactions. If parents either do not want to be that strict on the diet or cannot because they do not have full custody of the child or for any other reason and/or have satisfied themselves that they have indeed taken these foods out of the diet and are still having negative effects, then I certainly think it is understandable for them to want to cut down the dose or stop. As I have said before, I recovered children from autism before I ever heard about LDN, so I am not about to say that is is essential for your child's healing. However, I can say that some way you have to get their immune system to the point where they can handle the toxic world we live in, and that almost always includes dietary restriction at least to start with until the gut gets healed, and almost always some detoxification work to lower the load of heavy metals and other toxins in the system. If you can get your children's guts healed (diet, nutients, enzymes, probiotics etc) and get their immune system functioning optimally (methylation, detoxification), they most likely will recover from autism, and there are many different therapies and ways to do these things out there. LDN just happens to be an excellent immune enhancer/modulator for most people with autoimmune disorders, and also gives the extra benefit of the immediate opioid social/language benefit for most kids who take it, BUT NOT ALL, and not all at the same dosage. In response to the query of stopping and starting, Dr. Bihari who invented (discovered) the benefits of LDN does not recommend it. I do not recommend it in the first 4-6 months of using it, because that is the time it takes for the immune system to change. Stopping and starting would seem to be confusing to the immune system until your child is stabilized, and you may be starting over each time you stop it for over one night. Of course, the $64 question is, as long as my child is autistic, has the immune system actually reached its maximum functioning? THAT I do not know. As long as the child is still autistic, I think I would want to do everything I could do to make the immune system as good as it could get, and if my child did plateau on any particular therapy and did not seem to be making progress after a while, I would look to other avenues for optimizing immunity: other forms of helping immunity, more effective forms of detoxification, (it is questionable whether an immune system can ever work well if the body is full of heavy metals), anti-virals (some would say the same about viruses as about the metals), expanded methylation strategies, reassessment of nutrients, hyperbaric oxygen therapy, neurofeedback, etc etc. The reason I harp on the dietary stuff is that if I had to say the main reason I have found in the nine years I have been working on this disorder that children do not recover is that the gut healing that is #1 for their recovery never fully gets effectively implemented. If a child is started on LDN and has a bad reaction and the parents stop without investigating the dietary issue, they will most likely have to face it some other way before full healing can take place. In my beginning years, I finally saw I had two sets of kids, the ones who were getting better and better and the ones who did not. After a few years it became clear to me that almost invariably the attitude and diligence to the dietary restriction was what made the difference whether a child got well or not. It got to the point where I could predict who would get well by the way the parent responded to the necessity to get the offending foods out of their kids' diets, especially after I finally got it that it was sugar just as much as casein and gluten and soy. I usually got the best results where the whole family went on the diet so that there was not always the issue of a special diet for the ASD child and the temptation to break the dietary program. It gave many families the opportunity to learn that everyone benefited from knowledge of what was good for them to eat, even teenagers, who sometimes have become the most devout adherents to special diets, seeing how much better they look and feel and function when eating better. AND yes, some kids did have to go on to even more restricted diets to get their gut healed, though I have found if parents are willing to do a 90-food IgG every 3-4 months until they learn really what their child cannot tolerate along with getting the sugar out, the GF/CF/SF PLUS ENZYMES has worked in the majority of cases for me as the best way to start their recovery process. Some parents report their kids do OK just on enzymes, but studies show that seldom can all the large peptides be addressed with just enzymes (in spite of what certain enzyme makers may say) or even with strict diet, but that a combination does the best. Dr. JM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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