Guest guest Posted March 5, 2012 Report Share Posted March 5, 2012 I have been experiencing something strange to me...my liver moves or somethingfeels like a baby kicking at timesanyone else experience this Annie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2012 Report Share Posted March 6, 2012 Guess I can't argue with that. Hope you took it as the joke I meant it. jan > > I am 68 and widowed since aug,,,,this is in my liver > > Annie > > To: livercirrhosissupport >> From: janholman@... >> Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 21:46:47 -0700 >> Subject: Re: another question >> >> How old are you? maybe you should see your ob. Jan >> >> >> > >> > I have been experiencing something strange to me...my liver moves or somethingfeels like a baby kicking at timesanyone else experience this >> > >> > Annie >> > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2012 Report Share Posted March 6, 2012 No one has addressed my problem thojust want to know if any others experienced thisit feels like my liver has places where is moves or I can't explain it any better Annie > To: livercirrhosissupport > From: janholman@... > Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 14:26:16 -0700 > Subject: Re: another question > > Guess I can't argue with that. Hope you took it as the joke I meant it. > jan > > > > > > I am 68 and widowed since aug,,,,this is in my liver > > > > Annie > > > To: livercirrhosissupport > >> From: janholman@... > >> Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 21:46:47 -0700 > >> Subject: Re: another question > >> > >> How old are you? maybe you should see your ob. Jan > >> > >> > >> > > >> >anyone else experience this > >> > > >> > Annie > >> > > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2012 Report Share Posted March 6, 2012 If you take lactulose, it could be gas moving across the transverse colon. I used to feel these great " baby kicking "  feeling. Then I was hospitalized with life threatening pneumatosis coli, which was bubbles in the lining of the mucosa of the colon, caused by too much gas from lactulose. I had to spend 6 days in the hospital. I should repost the video. Love, Bobby  ________________________________ To: liver cirrhosis support <livercirrhosissupport > Sent: Monday, March 5, 2012 5:21 PM Subject: another question  I have been experiencing something strange to me...my liver moves or somethingfeels like a baby kicking at timesanyone else experience this Annie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 6, 2012 Report Share Posted March 6, 2012 Annie, Sometimes I have liver spasms that are sharp and hurt but is kinda like it's moving. Maybe, that is what you are experiencing. I don't know what causes it. They come and go. I like to think it's my liver repairing itself. Roni > > > No one has addressed my problem thojust want to know if any others > experienced thisit feels like my liver has places where is moves or > I can't explain it any better > Annie > > > To: livercirrhosissupport > > From: janholman@... > > Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 14:26:16 -0700 > > Subject: Re: another question > > > > Guess I can't argue with that. Hope you took it as the joke I > meant it. > > jan > > > > On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 10:23 PM, Annie A > wrote: > > > > > > I am 68 and widowed since aug,,,,this is in my liver > > > > > > Annie > > > > To: livercirrhosissupport > > >> From: janholman@... > > >> Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 21:46:47 -0700 > > >> Subject: Re: another question > > >> > > >> How old are you? maybe you should see your ob. Jan > > >> > > >> On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 5:21 PM, Annie A > wrote: > > >> > > > >> >anyone else experience this > > >> > > > >> > Annie > > >> > > > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2012 Report Share Posted March 7, 2012 For many yrs I have had muscle spasms that are gettin.g stronger. I often mentioned them to Dr and got ignored. They feel like a 'Charlie horse' only much stronger..makes last stages of labor feel like a breeze. ---- Rhonda wrote: ============= Annie, Sometimes I have liver spasms that are sharp and hurt but is kinda like it's moving. Maybe, that is what you are experiencing. I don't know what causes it. They come and go. I like to think it's my liver repairing itself. Roni > > > No one has addressed my problem thojust want to know if any others > experienced thisit feels like my liver has places where is moves or > I can't explain it any better > Annie > > > To: livercirrhosissupport > > From: janholman@... > > Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 14:26:16 -0700 > > Subject: Re: another question > > > > Guess I can't argue with that. Hope you took it as the joke I > meant it. > > jan > > > > On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 10:23 PM, Annie A > wrote: > > > > > > I am 68 and widowed since aug,,,,this is in my liver > > > > > > Annie > > > > To: livercirrhosissupport > > >> From: janholman@... > > >> Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 21:46:47 -0700 > > >> Subject: Re: another question > > >> > > >> How old are you? maybe you should see your ob. Jan > > >> > > >> On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 5:21 PM, Annie A > wrote: > > >> > > > >> >anyone else experience this > > >> > > > >> > Annie > > >> > > > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2012 Report Share Posted March 7, 2012 but i actually feel them in my liver....no I don't take lactulose...maybe its not in my liver but itsure feels like it the bumps are just under my ribs Annie > To: livercirrhosissupport > From: robwalkingeagle@... > Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 21:27:56 -0800 > Subject: Re: another question > > If you take lactulose, it could be gas moving across the transverse colon. I used to feel these great " baby kicking " feeling. Then I was hospitalized with life threatening pneumatosis coli, which was bubbles in the lining of the mucosa of the colon, caused by too much gas from lactulose. I had to spend 6 days in the hospital. I should repost the video. Love, Bobby > > > > > ________________________________ > > To: liver cirrhosis support <livercirrhosissupport > > Sent: Monday, March 5, 2012 5:21 PM > Subject: another question > > > > > I have been experiencing something strange to me...my liver moves or somethingfeels like a baby kicking at timesanyone else experience this > > Annie > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2012 Report Share Posted March 7, 2012 I keep thinking that too...I am being healed :)It can happen Annie > To: livercirrhosissupport > From: ronimahaffey49@... > Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 00:54:12 -0600 > Subject: Re: another question > > Annie, > > Sometimes I have liver spasms that are sharp and hurt but is kinda > like it's moving. Maybe, that is what you are experiencing. I don't > know what causes it. They come and go. I like to think it's my liver > repairing itself. > > Roni > > > > > > > > > No one has addressed my problem thojust want to know if any others > > experienced thisit feels like my liver has places where is moves or > > I can't explain it any better > > Annie > > > > > To: livercirrhosissupport > > > From: janholman@... > > > Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 14:26:16 -0700 > > > Subject: Re: another question > > > > > > Guess I can't argue with that. Hope you took it as the joke I > > meant it. > > > jan > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 10:23 PM, Annie A > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I am 68 and widowed since aug,,,,this is in my liver > > > > > > > > Annie > > > > > To: livercirrhosissupport > > > >> From: janholman@... > > > >> Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 21:46:47 -0700 > > > >> Subject: Re: another question > > > >> > > > >> How old are you? maybe you should see your ob. Jan > > > >> > > > >> On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 5:21 PM, Annie A > > wrote: > > > >> > > > > >> >anyone else experience this > > > >> > > > > >> > Annie > > > >> > > > > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2012 Report Share Posted March 7, 2012 That sounds rather serious!! Do you still have your gallbladder?? My Mom never likened it to last stages of labour; but, she always said it's a pain like none other. When they were finally able to take it out, it was so infected that it almost blew in the Drs hands. Thank heavens they had figured out what she was allergic to in the anesthesia, so she could have that op. ________________________________  For many yrs I have had muscle spasms that are gettin.g stronger. I often mentioned them to Dr and got ignored. They feel like a 'Charlie horse' only much stronger..makes last stages of labor feel like a breeze. ---- Rhonda wrote: ============= Annie, Sometimes I have liver spasms that are sharp and hurt but is kinda like it's moving. Maybe, that is what you are experiencing. I don't know what causes it. They come and go. I like to think it's my liver repairing itself. Roni > > > No one has addressed my problem thojust want to know if any others > experienced thisit feels like my liver has places where is moves or > I can't explain it any better > Annie > > > To: livercirrhosissupport > > From: janholman@... > > Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 14:26:16 -0700 > > Subject: Re: another question > > > > Guess I can't argue with that. Hope you took it as the joke I > meant it. > > jan > > > > On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 10:23 PM, Annie A > wrote: > > > > > > I am 68 and widowed since aug,,,,this is in my liver > > > > > > Annie > > > > To: livercirrhosissupport > > >> From: janholman@... > > >> Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 21:46:47 -0700 > > >> Subject: Re: another question > > >> > > >> How old are you? maybe you should see your ob. Jan > > >> > > >> On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 5:21 PM, Annie A > wrote: > > >> > > > >> >anyone else experience this > > >> > > > >> > Annie > > >> > > > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2012 Report Share Posted March 7, 2012 Mine if more like quivering or fluttering and feels like it's my liver. I still have my gallbladder. Never thought it may be that. Haven't had one in about a month or so. > That sounds rather serious!! Do you still have your gallbladder?? > My Mom never likened it to last stages of labour; but, she always > said it's a pain like none other. When they were finally able to > take it out, it was so infected that it almost blew in the Drs > hands. Thank heavens they had figured out what she was allergic to > in the anesthesia, so she could have that op. > > ________________________________ > > > For many yrs I have had muscle spasms that are gettin.g stronger. > I often mentioned them to Dr and got ignored. They feel like a > 'Charlie horse' only much stronger..makes last stages of labor feel > like a breeze. > ---- Rhonda wrote: > > ============= > Annie, > > Sometimes I have liver spasms that are sharp and hurt but is kinda > like it's moving. Maybe, that is what you are experiencing. I don't > know what causes it. They come and go. I like to think it's my liver > repairing itself. > > Roni > > > > > > > > > No one has addressed my problem thojust want to know if any others > > experienced thisit feels like my liver has places where is moves or > > I can't explain it any better > > Annie > > > > > To: livercirrhosissupport > > > From: janholman@... > > > Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 14:26:16 -0700 > > > Subject: Re: another question > > > > > > Guess I can't argue with that. Hope you took it as the joke I > > meant it. > > > jan > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 10:23 PM, Annie A > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I am 68 and widowed since aug,,,,this is in my liver > > > > > > > > Annie > > > > > To: livercirrhosissupport > > > >> From: janholman@... > > > >> Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 21:46:47 -0700 > > > >> Subject: Re: another question > > > >> > > > >> How old are you? maybe you should see your ob. Jan > > > >> > > > >> On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 5:21 PM, Annie A > > wrote: > > > >> > > > > >> >anyone else experience this > > > >> > > > > >> > Annie > > > >> > > > > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 7, 2012 Report Share Posted March 7, 2012 My Dad told me his side of family always had gallbladder removed..only after years of complaining as tests never showed anything wrong...of couse doctors didnt believe me. I have a different surgery 20 yrs later and make doctor promise to remove it. After surgery he grudge said he'd removed a totally healthy gallbladder. When lab results came back it was totally full of stones!!! That is when I found out I had fatty liver. After 15 yrs I got results and I had moderate cirrrosis. and was never told and no Dr followed thru on it. I. Wonder if a 20 yr inflamed gallbladder did this to liver? ---- Gloria wrote: ============= That sounds rather serious!! Do you still have your gallbladder?? My Mom never likened it to last stages of labour; but, she always said it's a pain like none other. When they were finally able to take it out, it was so infected that it almost blew in the Drs hands. Thank heavens they had figured out what she was allergic to in the anesthesia, so she could have that op. ________________________________  For many yrs I have had muscle spasms that are gettin.g stronger. I often mentioned them to Dr and got ignored. They feel like a 'Charlie horse' only much stronger..makes last stages of labor feel like a breeze. ---- Rhonda wrote: ============= Annie, Sometimes I have liver spasms that are sharp and hurt but is kinda like it's moving. Maybe, that is what you are experiencing. I don't know what causes it. They come and go. I like to think it's my liver repairing itself. Roni > > > No one has addressed my problem thojust want to know if any others > experienced thisit feels like my liver has places where is moves or > I can't explain it any better > Annie > > > To: livercirrhosissupport > > From: janholman@... > > Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 14:26:16 -0700 > > Subject: Re: another question > > > > Guess I can't argue with that. Hope you took it as the joke I > meant it. > > jan > > > > On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 10:23 PM, Annie A > wrote: > > > > > > I am 68 and widowed since aug,,,,this is in my liver > > > > > > Annie > > > > To: livercirrhosissupport > > >> From: janholman@... > > >> Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 21:46:47 -0700 > > >> Subject: Re: another question > > >> > > >> How old are you? maybe you should see your ob. Jan > > >> > > >> On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 5:21 PM, Annie A > wrote: > > >> > > > >> >anyone else experience this > > >> > > > >> > Annie > > >> > > > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2012 Report Share Posted March 8, 2012 I guess that would describe what i feel the best..I have gall stones and doc said I should do itbefore i have an attack.........I lost my hubby in august and trying to get settled in my daughters home and get medicare and everything switched over.I was suppose to see my doc the 25 of January at the UofM..missed thatI am now In Indianapolis and they say there is good docs here I really hope so. Annie > To: livercirrhosissupport > From: ronimahaffey49@... > Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 21:44:56 -0600 > Subject: Re: another question > > Mine if more like quivering or fluttering and feels like it's my > liver. I still have my gallbladder. Never thought it may be that. > Haven't had one in about a month or so. > > > > > > That sounds rather serious!! Do you still have your gallbladder?? > > My Mom never likened it to last stages of labour; but, she always > > said it's a pain like none other. When they were finally able to > > take it out, it was so infected that it almost blew in the Drs > > hands. Thank heavens they had figured out what she was allergic to > > in the anesthesia, so she could have that op. > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > For many yrs I have had muscle spasms that are gettin.g stronger. > > I often mentioned them to Dr and got ignored. They feel like a > > 'Charlie horse' only much stronger..makes last stages of labor feel > > like a breeze. > > ---- Rhonda wrote: > > > > ============= > > Annie, > > > > Sometimes I have liver spasms that are sharp and hurt but is kinda > > like it's moving. Maybe, that is what you are experiencing. I don't > > know what causes it. They come and go. I like to think it's my liver > > repairing itself. > > > > Roni > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one has addressed my problem thojust want to know if any others > > > experienced thisit feels like my liver has places where is moves or > > > I can't explain it any better > > > Annie > > > > > > > To: livercirrhosissupport > > > > From: janholman@... > > > > Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 14:26:16 -0700 > > > > Subject: Re: another question > > > > > > > > Guess I can't argue with that. Hope you took it as the joke I > > > meant it. > > > > jan > > > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 10:23 PM, Annie A > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I am 68 and widowed since aug,,,,this is in my liver > > > > > > > > > > Annie > > > > > > To: livercirrhosissupport > > > > >> From: janholman@... > > > > >> Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 21:46:47 -0700 > > > > >> Subject: Re: another question > > > > >> > > > > >> How old are you? maybe you should see your ob. Jan > > > > >> > > > > >> On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 5:21 PM, Annie A > > > wrote: > > > > >> > > > > > >> >anyone else experience this > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Annie > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2012 Report Share Posted March 8, 2012 I don't have pain like that with it there is more like a fluttering in my liverits high up right below my ribs Annie > To: livercirrhosissupport > From: gadamscan@... > Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 19:16:50 -0800 > Subject: Re: another question > > That sounds rather serious!! Do you still have your gallbladder?? My Mom never likened it to last stages of labour; but, she always said it's a pain like none other. When they were finally able to take it out, it was so infected that it almost blew in the Drs hands. Thank heavens they had figured out what she was allergic to in the anesthesia, so she could have that op. > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > For many yrs I have had muscle spasms that are gettin.g stronger. > I often mentioned them to Dr and got ignored. They feel like a 'Charlie horse' only much stronger..makes last stages of labor feel like a breeze. > ---- Rhonda wrote: > > ============= > Annie, > > Sometimes I have liver spasms that are sharp and hurt but is kinda > like it's moving. Maybe, that is what you are experiencing. I don't > know what causes it. They come and go. I like to think it's my liver > repairing itself. > > Roni > > > > > > > > > No one has addressed my problem thojust want to know if any others > > experienced thisit feels like my liver has places where is moves or > > I can't explain it any better > > Annie > > > > > To: livercirrhosissupport > > > From: janholman@... > > > Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 14:26:16 -0700 > > > Subject: Re: another question > > > > > > Guess I can't argue with that. Hope you took it as the joke I > > meant it. > > > jan > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 10:23 PM, Annie A > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I am 68 and widowed since aug,,,,this is in my liver > > > > > > > > Annie > > > > > To: livercirrhosissupport > > > >> From: janholman@... > > > >> Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 21:46:47 -0700 > > > >> Subject: Re: another question > > > >> > > > >> How old are you? maybe you should see your ob. Jan > > > >> > > > >> On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 5:21 PM, Annie A > > wrote: > > > >> > > > > >> >anyone else experience this > > > >> > > > > >> > Annie > > > >> > > > > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2012 Report Share Posted March 8, 2012 The gallbladder is right with the liver. Almost like they are joined. ________________________________  I don't have pain like that with it there is more like a fluttering in my liverits high up right below my ribs Annie > To: livercirrhosissupport > From: gadamscan@... > Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 19:16:50 -0800 > Subject: Re: another question > > That sounds rather serious!! Do you still have your gallbladder?? My Mom never likened it to last stages of labour; but, she always said it's a pain like none other. When they were finally able to take it out, it was so infected that it almost blew in the Drs hands. Thank heavens they had figured out what she was allergic to in the anesthesia, so she could have that op. > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > For many yrs I have had muscle spasms that are gettin.g stronger. > I often mentioned them to Dr and got ignored. They feel like a 'Charlie horse' only much stronger..makes last stages of labor feel like a breeze. > ---- Rhonda wrote: > > ============= > Annie, > > Sometimes I have liver spasms that are sharp and hurt but is kinda > like it's moving. Maybe, that is what you are experiencing. I don't > know what causes it. They come and go. I like to think it's my liver > repairing itself. > > Roni > > > > > > > > > No one has addressed my problem thojust want to know if any others > > experienced thisit feels like my liver has places where is moves or > > I can't explain it any better > > Annie > > > > > To: livercirrhosissupport > > > From: janholman@... > > > Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 14:26:16 -0700 > > > Subject: Re: another question > > > > > > Guess I can't argue with that. Hope you took it as the joke I > > meant it. > > > jan > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 10:23 PM, Annie A > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I am 68 and widowed since aug,,,,this is in my liver > > > > > > > > Annie > > > > > To: livercirrhosissupport > > > >> From: janholman@... > > > >> Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 21:46:47 -0700 > > > >> Subject: Re: another question > > > >> > > > >> How old are you? maybe you should see your ob. Jan > > > >> > > > >> On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 5:21 PM, Annie A > > wrote: > > > >> > > > > >> >anyone else experience this > > > >> > > > > >> > Annie > > > >> > > > > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 8, 2012 Report Share Posted March 8, 2012 ANNIE, i get pain in the right rib cage like some one is stabbing me, it really hurts like hell, doctors tell me not to take pain meds it will harm the liver more, plus they tell me the liver have no nerves.....it is the surrounding tissures, skin if you will. i have chest pains so bad, i am scared. pain in the right arms, i been to more than 4 heart specailist, nothen is wrong. i had sinis a while back and they when i started having vertigo and ear pain. what i want to know, is there anyone out there with these signs of pain... and suffering. my biggest problems i am having now is, dizzyness walking like i am about to tilt over or pass out. it crazy..... i dont know what i am saying wrong to these none caring doctors, but they just dont get it...i am glad that i having someone listening to my rant, while i go through hell, meaning i am not alone.....the only solution i can come up with is that we must keeping fighting this battle together. thanks all for listening. thomas in chicago........... Re: another question & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; How old are you? maybe you should see your ob. Jan & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 5:21 PM, Annie A & gt; & gt; & lt;annabelle56@... & gt; wrote: & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;anyone else experience this & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Annie & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; ------------------------------------ & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Group Email: livercirrhosissupport & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; web address: & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; http://groups.yahoo.com/group/livercirrhosissupport/ & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2012 Report Share Posted March 9, 2012 I also have pain in my right side,,,some times its a stabbing paincould be liver or gall bladder ,,,I have gall stones Annie > To: livercirrhosissupport > From: DTDaven7398@... > Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 22:59:36 -0500 > Subject: Re: another question > > ANNIE, i get pain in the right rib cage like some one is stabbing me, > it really hurts like hell, doctors tell me not to take pain meds it > will harm the liver more, plus they tell me the liver have no > nerves.....it is the surrounding tissures, skin if you will. i have > chest pains so bad, i am scared. pain in the right arms, i been to > more than 4 heart specailist, nothen is wrong. i had sinis a while > back and they when i started having vertigo and ear pain. what i want > to know, is there anyone out there with these signs of pain... and > suffering. my biggest problems i am having now is, dizzyness walking > like i am about to tilt over or pass out. it crazy..... i dont know > what i am saying wrong to these none caring doctors, but they just dont > get it...i am glad that i having someone listening to my rant, while i > go through hell, meaning i am not alone.....the only solution i can > come up with is that we must keeping fighting this battle together. > thanks all for listening. thomas in chicago........... > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: another > question > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; How old are you? maybe you should see your ob. > Jan > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 5:21 PM, Annie A > & gt; & gt; & lt;annabelle56@... & gt; wrote: > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;anyone else experience this > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Annie > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; [Non-text portions of this message have > been removed] > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; ------------------------------------ > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Group Email: > livercirrhosissupport > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; web address: > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/livercirrhosissupport/ > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2012 Report Share Posted March 9, 2012 that must be the problem,,,The Doc suggested I do elective surgery before I have an attack.with elective surgery they can do the laproscopic surgery If i wait till an attack it could burst and/or they have to open me upwhich I guess is not the best. Annie > To: livercirrhosissupport > From: gadamscan@... > Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 19:10:37 -0800 > Subject: Re: another question > > The gallbladder is right with the liver. Almost like they are joined. > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > I don't have pain like that with it there is more like a fluttering in my liverits high up right below my ribs > > Annie > > > To: livercirrhosissupport > > From: gadamscan@... > > Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 19:16:50 -0800 > > Subject: Re: another question > > > > That sounds rather serious!! Do you still have your gallbladder?? My Mom never likened it to last stages of labour; but, she always said it's a pain like none other. When they were finally able to take it out, it was so infected that it almost blew in the Drs hands. Thank heavens they had figured out what she was allergic to in the anesthesia, so she could have that op. > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > For many yrs I have had muscle spasms that are gettin.g stronger. > > I often mentioned them to Dr and got ignored. They feel like a 'Charlie horse' only much stronger..makes last stages of labor feel like a breeze. > > ---- Rhonda wrote: > > > > ============= > > Annie, > > > > Sometimes I have liver spasms that are sharp and hurt but is kinda > > like it's moving. Maybe, that is what you are experiencing. I don't > > know what causes it. They come and go. I like to think it's my liver > > repairing itself. > > > > Roni > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one has addressed my problem thojust want to know if any others > > > experienced thisit feels like my liver has places where is moves or > > > I can't explain it any better > > > Annie > > > > > > > To: livercirrhosissupport > > > > From: janholman@... > > > > Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 14:26:16 -0700 > > > > Subject: Re: another question > > > > > > > > Guess I can't argue with that. Hope you took it as the joke I > > > meant it. > > > > jan > > > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 10:23 PM, Annie A > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I am 68 and widowed since aug,,,,this is in my liver > > > > > > > > > > Annie > > > > > > To: livercirrhosissupport > > > > >> From: janholman@... > > > > >> Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 21:46:47 -0700 > > > > >> Subject: Re: another question > > > > >> > > > > >> How old are you? maybe you should see your ob. Jan > > > > >> > > > > >> On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 5:21 PM, Annie A > > > wrote: > > > > >> > > > > > >> >anyone else experience this > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Annie > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2012 Report Share Posted March 9, 2012 Where there is pain there is inflammation.  You need to reduce the inflammation.  You can do this through diet or alternative products.  I use a drink called Nopalea which is the juice from the nopal cactus.  It really works and if you want to check this out go to www.sonoranbloom.com.  I first used it 4 years ago and took 6 ounces a day for the first while then slowly cut it down.  I am now taking an ounce a day and wouldn't do without it.  I have stage 4 cirrhosis of the liver and have no pain.  I know when I have had too much sugar because then I get some discomfort.  I just take an extra ounce of the Nopalea and it is gone.  Quercetin is also an anti inflammatory. Stay away from sugar if you can.  Sometimes it is not possible as it seems to be in alot of foods.  I use Stevia for sugar and that is sweet enough that I don't need alot of it. Z ________________________________ To: liver cirrhosis support <livercirrhosissupport > Sent: Friday, March 9, 2012 10:37:19 AM Subject: RE: another question  I also have pain in my right side,,,some times its a stabbing paincould be liver or gall bladder ,,,I have gall stones Annie > To: livercirrhosissupport > From: DTDaven7398@... > Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 22:59:36 -0500 > Subject: Re: another question > > ANNIE, i get pain in the right rib cage like some one is stabbing me, > it really hurts like hell, doctors tell me not to take pain meds it > will harm the liver more, plus they tell me the liver have no > nerves.....it is the surrounding tissures, skin if you will. i have > chest pains so bad, i am scared. pain in the right arms, i been to > more than 4 heart specailist, nothen is wrong. i had sinis a while > back and they when i started having vertigo and ear pain. what i want > to know, is there anyone out there with these signs of pain... and > suffering. my biggest problems i am having now is, dizzyness walking > like i am about to tilt over or pass out. it crazy..... i dont know > what i am saying wrong to these none caring doctors, but they just dont > get it...i am glad that i having someone listening to my rant, while i > go through hell, meaning i am not alone.....the only solution i can > come up with is that we must keeping fighting this battle together. > thanks all for listening. thomas in chicago........... > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: another > question > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; How old are you? maybe you should see your ob. > Jan > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 5:21 PM, Annie A > & gt; & gt; & lt;annabelle56@... & gt; wrote: > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;anyone else experience this > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Annie > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; [Non-text portions of this message have > been removed] > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; ------------------------------------ > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Group Email: > livercirrhosissupport > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; web address: > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/livercirrhosissupport/ > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2012 Report Share Posted March 9, 2012 Thank you ..very good tips to try Annie > To: livercirrhosissupport > From: zimmlin47@... > Date: Fri, 9 Mar 2012 10:06:48 -0800 > Subject: Re: another question > > Where there is pain there is inflammation. You need to reduce the inflammation. You can do this through diet or alternative products. I use a drink called Nopalea which is the juice from the nopal cactus. It really works and if you want to check this out go to www.sonoranbloom.com. I first used it 4 years ago and took 6 ounces a day for the first while then slowly cut it down. I am now taking an ounce a day and wouldn't do without it. I have stage 4 cirrhosis of the liver and have no pain. I know when I have had too much sugar because then I get some discomfort. I just take an extra ounce of the Nopalea and it is gone. Quercetin is also an anti inflammatory. > > Stay away from sugar if you can. Sometimes it is not possible as it seems to be in alot of foods. I use Stevia for sugar and that is sweet enough that I don't need alot of it. > > Z > > > > ________________________________ > > To: liver cirrhosis support <livercirrhosissupport > > Sent: Friday, March 9, 2012 10:37:19 AM > Subject: RE: another question > > > > > I also have pain in my right side,,,some times its a stabbing paincould be liver or gall bladder ,,,I have gall stones > > Annie > > > To: livercirrhosissupport > > From: DTDaven7398@... > > Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 22:59:36 -0500 > > Subject: Re: another question > > > > ANNIE, i get pain in the right rib cage like some one is stabbing me, > > it really hurts like hell, doctors tell me not to take pain meds it > > will harm the liver more, plus they tell me the liver have no > > nerves.....it is the surrounding tissures, skin if you will. i have > > chest pains so bad, i am scared. pain in the right arms, i been to > > more than 4 heart specailist, nothen is wrong. i had sinis a while > > back and they when i started having vertigo and ear pain. what i want > > to know, is there anyone out there with these signs of pain... and > > suffering. my biggest problems i am having now is, dizzyness walking > > like i am about to tilt over or pass out. it crazy..... i dont know > > what i am saying wrong to these none caring doctors, but they just dont > > get it...i am glad that i having someone listening to my rant, while i > > go through hell, meaning i am not alone.....the only solution i can > > come up with is that we must keeping fighting this battle together. > > thanks all for listening. thomas in chicago........... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Re: another > > question > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; How old are you? maybe you should see your ob. > > Jan > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 5:21 PM, Annie A > > & gt; & gt; & lt;annabelle56@... & gt; wrote: > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt;anyone else experience this > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Annie > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; [Non-text portions of this message have > > been removed] > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; ------------------------------------ > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Group Email: > > livercirrhosissupport > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; web address: > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/livercirrhosissupport/ > > & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; & gt; Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 9, 2012 Report Share Posted March 9, 2012 Then, absolutely you should deal with the gallbladder. Pain in the right side could always be that hidden little organ. I think I've said, by the time the Drs were able to operate on my mother, her gallbladder was so full of infection that it almost burst in the Drs hands. A while later, I had an appointment with the Dr. Same one that most of the family were seeing. Even before he was actually in the room with me, he stuck his head in and warned that gallbladder was hereditary.  Told him that I had my father's genes. To this day, I have never had so much as a twinge from either the gallbladder or the liver. The last Hep C treatment that I did, I shed 30 lbs. I could only wish it was even more. However, nobody around me could see the weight loss, because my liver was so inflamed.  While in the hospital after the liver resection, I lost another 10 lbs. Then, suddenly everyone could see the whole 40 lbs that were gone!! I liked that it was noticed, even though I could stand at least another 20 lbs of blubber to fall off me. But, I'm not complaining loudly at all. I know that the next time I lose weight, it's going to be a whole lot and means that I'm sick. So, my theory is - it's OK to eat all those things that are not good for us; because, then I'd have a long ways to go before I get to that sickly skinny. Gloria ________________________________ that must be the problem,,,The Doc suggested I do elective surgery before I have an attack.with elective surgery they can do the laproscopic surgery If i wait till an attack it could burst and/or they have to open me upwhich I guess is not the best. Annie > To: livercirrhosissupport > From: gadamscan@... > Date: Thu, 8 Mar 2012 19:10:37 -0800 > Subject: Re: another question > > The gallbladder is right with the liver. Almost like they are joined. > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > I don't have pain like that with it there is more like a fluttering in my liverits high up right below my ribs > > Annie > > > To: livercirrhosissupport > > From: gadamscan@... > > Date: Wed, 7 Mar 2012 19:16:50 -0800 > > Subject: Re: another question > > > > That sounds rather serious!! Do you still have your gallbladder?? My Mom never likened it to last stages of labour; but, she always said it's a pain like none other. When they were finally able to take it out, it was so infected that it almost blew in the Drs hands. Thank heavens they had figured out what she was allergic to in the anesthesia, so she could have that op. > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > > > > For many yrs I have had muscle spasms that are gettin.g stronger. > > I often mentioned them to Dr and got ignored. They feel like a 'Charlie horse' only much stronger..makes last stages of labor feel like a breeze. > > ---- Rhonda wrote: > > > > ============= > > Annie, > > > > Sometimes I have liver spasms that are sharp and hurt but is kinda > > like it's moving. Maybe, that is what you are experiencing. I don't > > know what causes it. They come and go. I like to think it's my liver > > repairing itself. > > > > Roni > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No one has addressed my problem thojust want to know if any others > > > experienced thisit feels like my liver has places where is moves or > > > I can't explain it any better > > > Annie > > > > > > > To: livercirrhosissupport > > > > From: janholman@... > > > > Date: Tue, 6 Mar 2012 14:26:16 -0700 > > > > Subject: Re: another question > > > > > > > > Guess I can't argue with that. Hope you took it as the joke I > > > meant it. > > > > jan > > > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 10:23 PM, Annie A > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I am 68 and widowed since aug,,,,this is in my liver > > > > > > > > > > Annie > > > > > > To: livercirrhosissupport > > > > >> From: janholman@... > > > > >> Date: Mon, 5 Mar 2012 21:46:47 -0700 > > > > >> Subject: Re: another question > > > > >> > > > > >> How old are you? maybe you should see your ob. Jan > > > > >> > > > > >> On Mon, Mar 5, 2012 at 5:21 PM, Annie A > > > wrote: > > > > >> > > > > > >> >anyone else experience this > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Annie > > > > >> > > > > > >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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