RE: multilingual abbreviations list

[Guest guest]

Dear Rob,

Oh yes, I perfectly understand your concern ! And I want to thank you

for enlightening us about what can easily be called a copyright.

I am not surprised that somebody " stole " your work and exploited it on

the Net , unfortunately.

I appreciate your offer to share this impressive list with our

listmates, provided they contribute to its development/improvement.

I'm sure that all our listmates firmly believe, as I do, that this no

more than justice and fairness.

Thanks again for your message.

Have a great day

- moderator

Le 22/05/2012 10:19, a écrit :

> Hi

>

> I am the compiler of the list mentioned by Becker and am a member of

> this group. The file was posted on a Facebook medical translators' group by

> someone who had received it as a member of the ITI Medical Network, for

> whose members the list is produced, and he did so without asking for my

> permission first. It has now been taken down. The list is multilingual,

> currently stands at 495 pages and has been compiled by me over many years

> from my own translation work and background research and from contributions

> by members of the ITI Medical Network. I try to maintain some kind of

> control over distribution of the list, partly because I want recipients to

> contribute to the list themselves. I have recently, quite by chance, come

> across a shorter version of this list from five or six years ago online,

> posted by a national translators' association, without any acknowledgement,

> and it is unclear to me how this has happened.

> I am perfectly willing for anyone on this group to have a copy of the file,

> provided you confirm that you will use it for your own purposes and not

> pass it on to others without asking for my approval, and preferably make a

> note of abbreviations you come across in your own work that were not

> immediately obvious and are not already in the list and send them to me for

> incorporation into the list.

> Thanks for your understanding - I've spent hundreds of hours on this list

> and I'm sure you'll appreciate my concern to maintain some kind of control

> over its distribution.

>

> Rob

> robwilliams321@...

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi , I posted the PDF in my medical group and – just to be clear, I

didn’t steal it – I’m a member of MedNet, acquired the document legitimately

and posted it to a private group in error (on a day when I posted numerous

old articles from an old blog, and uploaded numerous files – I just didn’t

think when I uploaded it). Rob’s a friend of mine and I took the document

down immediately when Rob asked me, so hopefully this will limit any damage

caused. Apologies for any confusion caused to group members, and I’ve

already apologised to Rob more than once.

Andy

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From: medical_translation

[mailto:medical_translation ] On Behalf Of cgtradmed

Sent: Tuesday, 22 May 2012 4:41 PM

To: medical_translation

Subject: Re: multilingual abbreviations list

Importance: High

Dear Rob,

Oh yes, I perfectly understand your concern ! And I want to thank you

for enlightening us about what can easily be called a copyright.

I am not surprised that somebody " stole " your work and exploited it on

the Net , unfortunately.

I appreciate your offer to share this impressive list with our

listmates, provided they contribute to its development/improvement.

I'm sure that all our listmates firmly believe, as I do, that this no

more than justice and fairness.

Thanks again for your message.

Have a great day

- moderator

Le 22/05/2012 10:19, a écrit :

> Hi

>

> I am the compiler of the list mentioned by Becker and am a member

of

> this group. The file was posted on a Facebook medical translators' group

by

> someone who had received it as a member of the ITI Medical Network, for

> whose members the list is produced, and he did so without asking for my

> permission first. It has now been taken down. The list is multilingual,

> currently stands at 495 pages and has been compiled by me over many years

> from my own translation work and background research and from

contributions

> by members of the ITI Medical Network. I try to maintain some kind of

> control over distribution of the list, partly because I want recipients to

> contribute to the list themselves. I have recently, quite by chance, come

> across a shorter version of this list from five or six years ago online,

> posted by a national translators' association, without any

acknowledgement,

> and it is unclear to me how this has happened.

> I am perfectly willing for anyone on this group to have a copy of the

file,

> provided you confirm that you will use it for your own purposes and not

> pass it on to others without asking for my approval, and preferably make a

> note of abbreviations you come across in your own work that were not

> immediately obvious and are not already in the list and send them to me

for

> incorporation into the list.

> Thanks for your understanding - I've spent hundreds of hours on this list

> and I'm sure you'll appreciate my concern to maintain some kind of control

> over its distribution.

>

> Rob

> robwilliams321@... <mailto:robwilliams321%40aol.com>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

OK, Andy, I understand the problem now. It was only done inadvertently.

So, I'm happy that everything is clear and fixed now.

Thanks a lot for your explanations and your fair message.

Have a nice day.

- moderator

Le 22/05/2012 10:48, Andy Bell (Medical and General translation) a écrit :

> Hi , I posted the PDF in my medical group and – just to be clear, I

> didn’t steal it – I’m a member of MedNet, acquired the document legitimately

> and posted it to a private group in error (on a day when I posted numerous

> old articles from an old blog, and uploaded numerous files – I just didn’t

> think when I uploaded it). Rob’s a friend of mine and I took the document

> down immediately when Rob asked me, so hopefully this will limit any damage

> caused. Apologies for any confusion caused to group members, and I’ve

> already apologised to Rob more than once.

>

> Andy

>

>

>

>

>

>

> G Bell, MITI, ATA, AUSIT, RN

> Translator, Project Manager, Creative Input

> Cell: +61(0)4 07 38 66 82

> T/F: +61(0)8 98 44 11 15

> URL:<http://www.scandinaviantranslations.org/>

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> From: medical_translation

> [mailto:medical_translation ] On Behalf Of cgtradmed

> Sent: Tuesday, 22 May 2012 4:41 PM

> To: medical_translation

> Subject: Re: multilingual abbreviations list

> Importance: High

>

>

>

>

>

> Dear Rob,

>

> Oh yes, I perfectly understand your concern ! And I want to thank you

> for enlightening us about what can easily be called a copyright.

>

> I am not surprised that somebody " stole " your work and exploited it on

> the Net , unfortunately.

>

> I appreciate your offer to share this impressive list with our

> listmates, provided they contribute to its development/improvement.

>

> I'm sure that all our listmates firmly believe, as I do, that this no

> more than justice and fairness.

>

> Thanks again for your message.

> Have a great day

>

> - moderator

>

> Le 22/05/2012 10:19, a écrit :

>> Hi

>>

>> I am the compiler of the list mentioned by Becker and am a member

> of

>> this group. The file was posted on a Facebook medical translators' group

> by

>> someone who had received it as a member of the ITI Medical Network, for

>> whose members the list is produced, and he did so without asking for my

>> permission first. It has now been taken down. The list is multilingual,

>> currently stands at 495 pages and has been compiled by me over many years

>> from my own translation work and background research and from

> contributions

>> by members of the ITI Medical Network. I try to maintain some kind of

>> control over distribution of the list, partly because I want recipients to

>> contribute to the list themselves. I have recently, quite by chance, come

>> across a shorter version of this list from five or six years ago online,

>> posted by a national translators' association, without any

> acknowledgement,

>> and it is unclear to me how this has happened.

>> I am perfectly willing for anyone on this group to have a copy of the

> file,

>> provided you confirm that you will use it for your own purposes and not

>> pass it on to others without asking for my approval, and preferably make a

>> note of abbreviations you come across in your own work that were not

>> immediately obvious and are not already in the list and send them to me

> for

>> incorporation into the list.

>> Thanks for your understanding - I've spent hundreds of hours on this list

>> and I'm sure you'll appreciate my concern to maintain some kind of control

>> over its distribution.

>>

>> Rob

>> robwilliams321@...<mailto:robwilliams321%40aol.com>

>>

>>

>>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Rob. For the record, somewhere in a dark, rural part of Western

Australia I'm acutely - creeping into chronically, embarrassed about the

hassle this has caused you, and my lack of care. Won't happen again.

Regards

Andy

G Bell, MITI, ATA, AUSIT, RN

Translator, Project Manager, Creative Input

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T/F: +61(0)8 98 44 11 15

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From: medical_translation

[mailto:medical_translation ] On Behalf Of

Sent: Wednesday, 23 May 2012 5:01 PM

To: medical_translation

Subject: multilingual abbreviations list

Dear , Andy and everyone else

I just wanted to make it clear that I have no problem at all with Andy - as

he says, he is a friend of mine and oddly enough grew up in the next small

village to my own in Shropshire. It was a legitimate mistake and the

misunderstanding is largely my own fault as I do not have a statement on

the front page of the list making clear its limited distribution. My

problem is more with a national translators' association which has simply

taken an old version of the list - where they got it from I do not know -

and posted it on their own website without acknowledgement.

Several people have now written to me asking for a copy, and I will be

sending them the pdf at the weekend, after I've gone through the list

again, as I periodically do, making additions and looking for errors.

I can't really claim any 'copyright' on abbreviations, but as I said

previously, I would like to keep some kind of control, in the interests of

improving the breadth and quality of the list.

Sorry for the delayed reply - I only get the Digest.

Rob