Re: 10 very important points about pain and liver disease

[Guest guest]

Thanks for that, Bobby!!

After you told me about addiction to pain meds, I listened well.  But, when

someone told me that a little pot goes a long way in helping for the Hep C

treatment, I just wanted to know where they were when I was suffering.  I

certainly have no intention to be big and brave, when any of that liver pain

starts.

I just hope that the manufacturers of Oxy change the formulation enough to get

it back on the market.  I don't know why I should suffer because some junkies

out there, get their hands on the oxy and even sell it.  But, if Oxy is every

drug addicts dream, why don't I ever hear anything about the morphine??  It

must act different and not to easily broken down for the needle.

Luv Gloria

________________________________

 

It's been a while since I did my usual pain rant. Here are 10 very important

points about pain and liver disease.

#1. It is true that the liver does not have nerve endings which could cause

pain, but the sack around it is very very abundant in nerve endings, and can

cause you pain so bad that an epidural won't make you comfortable.

#2 Pain is now thought of as a disease all it's own  , period. Some pain is

without any kind of trauma or underlying injury. Pain is a signal sent by

nociceptors to the dorsal horn of the spinal cord. If pain is not treated, it

can damage the dorsal horn and you can end up with chronic pain with no end.

Chronic pain is very difficult to treat in the modern era. (WAR on DRUGS)

#3 The body has pain receptors called Mu opioid receptors. Also, the body

manufactures a substance which fits perfectly in to these receptors, called

" endogenous opioids " which block pain signals and sooth pain. This happens

without any outside intervention.

#4 Just by coincidence, there is a flower which has sap which can be made in to

medicine which also fits perfectly in to these receptors and blocks the pain

signals, thereby soothing the pain. No other known substance can fit in to these

receptors. It's as if the human body were designed in perfect harmony with

nature so that suffering could be averted.

 

#5 Some important things to concider about opioid pain medicine. First, it is

nearly non toxic to the liver. Only in very large amounts is it toxic. Crayons

and plastic forks are far more toxic to the liver than morphine and codein.

#6 These drugs are highly regulated, and an expert pain medicine doctor is the

only place one can go in America to get them. They are practically not available

in many other countries,- but the World Health Organization is trying to make it

a crime against humanity to let people suffer by refusing to treat them with

these readily available and dirt cheap medicines.

#7 Misuse, diversion(selling your pain medicine), and not following written

instructions are not only a bad idea, but can land a person in prison, or worse.

#8 NSAIDS like tylenol and advil are contraindicated (a no no) for liver disease

patients. pain medicine is not the same as pain management. Doctors who practice

pain medicine are called " Physiatrists. " I know that it looks like

" Psychiatrists " but let me break it down...

FIZZ---EYE----A----TRIST.

#9 Let's review- Pain medicine. Opioid therapy. Chronic pain (pain which has

lasted for more than 30 days)  NSAIDS=toxic, Poppies= non toxic... (the seeds

are eaten on bagels around the world)

#10 dying and taxes are sure things, but suffering need not be. Bobby

[Guest guest]

can we take Ibuprofen?

Annie

> To: livercirrhosissupport

> From: gadamscan@...

> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 21:44:51 -0700

> Subject: Re: 10 very important points about pain and

liver disease

>

> Thanks for that, Bobby!!

>

> After you told me about addiction to pain meds, I listened well. But, when

someone told me that a little pot goes a long way in helping for the Hep C

treatment, I just wanted to know where they were when I was suffering. I

certainly have no intention to be big and brave, when any of that liver pain

starts.

>

> I just hope that the manufacturers of Oxy change the formulation enough to get

it back on the market. I don't know why I should suffer because some junkies

out there, get their hands on the oxy and even sell it. But, if Oxy is every

drug addicts dream, why don't I ever hear anything about the morphine?? It must

act different and not to easily broken down for the needle.

>

> Luv Gloria

>

>

>

> ________________________________

>

>

>

>

> It's been a while since I did my usual pain rant. Here are 10 very important

points about pain and liver disease.

> #1. It is true that the liver does not have nerve endings which could cause

pain, but the sack around it is very very abundant in nerve endings, and can

cause you pain so bad that an epidural won't make you comfortable.

> #2 Pain is now thought of as a disease all it's own , period. Some pain is

without any kind of trauma or underlying injury. Pain is a signal sent by

nociceptors to the dorsal horn of the spinal cord. If pain is not treated, it

can damage the dorsal horn and you can end up with chronic pain with no end.

Chronic pain is very difficult to treat in the modern era. (WAR on DRUGS)

> #3 The body has pain receptors called Mu opioid receptors. Also, the body

manufactures a substance which fits perfectly in to these receptors, called

" endogenous opioids " which block pain signals and sooth pain. This happens

without any outside intervention.

>

> #4 Just by coincidence, there is a flower which has sap which can be made in

to medicine which also fits perfectly in to these receptors and blocks the pain

signals, thereby soothing the pain. No other known substance can fit in to these

receptors. It's as if the human body were designed in perfect harmony with

nature so that suffering could be averted.

>

> #5 Some important things to concider about opioid pain medicine. First, it is

nearly non toxic to the liver. Only in very large amounts is it toxic. Crayons

and plastic forks are far more toxic to the liver than morphine and codein.

> #6 These drugs are highly regulated, and an expert pain medicine doctor is the

only place one can go in America to get them. They are practically not available

in many other countries,- but the World Health Organization is trying to make it

a crime against humanity to let people suffer by refusing to treat them with

these readily available and dirt cheap medicines.

> #7 Misuse, diversion(selling your pain medicine), and not following written

instructions are not only a bad idea, but can land a person in prison, or worse.

> #8 NSAIDS like tylenol and advil are contraindicated (a no no) for liver

disease patients. pain medicine is not the same as pain management. Doctors who

practice pain medicine are called " Physiatrists. " I know that it looks like

" Psychiatrists " but let me break it down...

> FIZZ---EYE----A----TRIST.

> #9 Let's review- Pain medicine. Opioid therapy. Chronic pain (pain which has

lasted for more than 30 days) NSAIDS=toxic, Poppies= non toxic... (the seeds

are eaten on bagels around the world)

> #10 dying and taxes are sure things, but suffering need not be. Bobby

>

>

[Guest guest]

So does my endogenosendoge.

---- Annie A wrote:

=============

can we take Ibuprofen?

Annie

> To: livercirrhosissupport

> From: gadamscan@...

> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 21:44:51 -0700

> Subject: Re: 10 very important points about pain and

liver disease

>

> Thanks for that, Bobby!!

>

> After you told me about addiction to pain meds, I listened well. But, when

someone told me that a little pot goes a long way in helping for the Hep C

treatment, I just wanted to know where they were when I was suffering. I

certainly have no intention to be big and brave, when any of that liver pain

starts.

>

> I just hope that the manufacturers of Oxy change the formulation enough to get

it back on the market. I don't know why I should suffer because some junkies

out there, get their hands on the oxy and even sell it. But, if Oxy is every

drug addicts dream, why don't I ever hear anything about the morphine?? It must

act different and not to easily broken down for the needle.

>

> Luv Gloria

>

>

>

> ________________________________

>

>

>

>

> It's been a while since I did my usual pain rant. Here are 10 very important

points about pain and liver disease.

> #1. It is true that the liver does not have nerve endings which could cause

pain, but the sack around it is very very abundant in nerve endings, and can

cause you pain so bad that an epidural won't make you comfortable.

> #2 Pain is now thought of as a disease all it's own , period. Some pain is

without any kind of trauma or underlying injury. Pain is a signal sent by

nociceptors to the dorsal horn of the spinal cord. If pain is not treated, it

can damage the dorsal horn and you can end up with chronic pain with no end.

Chronic pain is very difficult to treat in the modern era. (WAR on DRUGS)

> #3 The body has pain receptors called Mu opioid receptors. Also, the body

manufactures a substance which fits perfectly in to these receptors, called

" endogenous opioids " which block pain signals and sooth pain. This happens

without any outside intervention.

>

> #4 Just by coincidence, there is a flower which has sap which can be made in

to medicine which also fits perfectly in to these receptors and blocks the pain

signals, thereby soothing the pain. No other known substance can fit in to these

receptors. It's as if the human body were designed in perfect harmony with

nature so that suffering could be averted.

>

> #5 Some important things to concider about opioid pain medicine. First, it is

nearly non toxic to the liver. Only in very large amounts is it toxic. Crayons

and plastic forks are far more toxic to the liver than morphine and codein.

> #6 These drugs are highly regulated, and an expert pain medicine doctor is the

only place one can go in America to get them. They are practically not available

in many other countries,- but the World Health Organization is trying to make it

a crime against humanity to let people suffer by refusing to treat them with

these readily available and dirt cheap medicines.

> #7 Misuse, diversion(selling your pain medicine), and not following written

instructions are not only a bad idea, but can land a person in prison, or worse.

> #8 NSAIDS like tylenol and advil are contraindicated (a no no) for liver

disease patients. pain medicine is not the same as pain management. Doctors who

practice pain medicine are called " Physiatrists. " I know that it looks like

" Psychiatrists " but let me break it down...

> FIZZ---EYE----A----TRIST.

> #9 Let's review- Pain medicine. Opioid therapy. Chronic pain (pain which has

lasted for more than 30 days) NSAIDS=toxic, Poppies= non toxic... (the seeds

are eaten on bagels around the world)

> #10 dying and taxes are sure things, but suffering need not be. Bobby

>

>

[Guest guest]

No nsaids are toxic to the liver..if taken on a regular basis

________________________________

To: liver cirrhosis support <livercirrhosissupport >

Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 12:09 AM

Subject: RE: 10 very important points about pain and

liver disease

 

can we take Ibuprofen?

Annie

> To: livercirrhosissupport

> From: gadamscan@...

> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 21:44:51 -0700

> Subject: Re: 10 very important points about pain and

liver disease

>

> Thanks for that, Bobby!!

>

> After you told me about addiction to pain meds, I listened well. But, when

someone told me that a little pot goes a long way in helping for the Hep C

treatment, I just wanted to know where they were when I was suffering. I

certainly have no intention to be big and brave, when any of that liver pain

starts.

>

> I just hope that the manufacturers of Oxy change the formulation enough to get

it back on the market. I don't know why I should suffer because some junkies

out there, get their hands on the oxy and even sell it. But, if Oxy is every

drug addicts dream, why don't I ever hear anything about the morphine?? It must

act different and not to easily broken down for the needle.

>

> Luv Gloria

>

>

>

> ________________________________

>

>

>

>

> It's been a while since I did my usual pain rant. Here are 10 very important

points about pain and liver disease.

> #1. It is true that the liver does not have nerve endings which could cause

pain, but the sack around it is very very abundant in nerve endings, and can

cause you pain so bad that an epidural won't make you comfortable.

> #2 Pain is now thought of as a disease all it's own , period. Some pain is

without any kind of trauma or underlying injury. Pain is a signal sent by

nociceptors to the dorsal horn of the spinal cord. If pain is not treated, it

can damage the dorsal horn and you can end up with chronic pain with no end.

Chronic pain is very difficult to treat in the modern era. (WAR on DRUGS)

> #3 The body has pain receptors called Mu opioid receptors. Also, the body

manufactures a substance which fits perfectly in to these receptors, called

" endogenous opioids " which block pain signals and sooth pain. This happens

without any outside intervention.

>

> #4 Just by coincidence, there is a flower which has sap which can be made in

to medicine which also fits perfectly in to these receptors and blocks the pain

signals, thereby soothing the pain. No other known substance can fit in to these

receptors. It's as if the human body were designed in perfect harmony with

nature so that suffering could be averted.

>

> #5 Some important things to concider about opioid pain medicine. First, it is

nearly non toxic to the liver. Only in very large amounts is it toxic. Crayons

and plastic forks are far more toxic to the liver than morphine and codein.

> #6 These drugs are highly regulated, and an expert pain medicine doctor is the

only place one can go in America to get them. They are practically not available

in many other countries,- but the World Health Organization is trying to make it

a crime against humanity to let people suffer by refusing to treat them with

these readily available and dirt cheap medicines.

> #7 Misuse, diversion(selling your pain medicine), and not following written

instructions are not only a bad idea, but can land a person in prison, or worse.

> #8 NSAIDS like tylenol and advil are contraindicated (a no no) for liver

disease patients. pain medicine is not the same as pain management. Doctors who

practice pain medicine are called " Physiatrists. " I know that it looks like

" Psychiatrists " but let me break it down...

> FIZZ---EYE----A----TRIST.

> #9 Let's review- Pain medicine. Opioid therapy. Chronic pain (pain which has

lasted for more than 30 days) NSAIDS=toxic, Poppies= non toxic... (the seeds

are eaten on bagels around the world)

> #10 dying and taxes are sure things, but suffering need not be. Bobby

>

>

[Guest guest]

You should consult your hepatologist for the answer " can I take Ibuprofen? "

I am not allowed to take it according to my entire team of doctors

(pulmonologist, hepatologist,gastroenterologist,oncologist, rheumatologist,

Physiatrist, 3 surgeons and one primary care doctor. According to the *world of

hepatology it is discouraged, because it is contraindicated.   Apparently,

Tylenol is very toxic and ibuprofen can cause deadly bleeding in liver patients.

I pasted this explanation from Wikipedia:

In medicine, a contraindication is a condition or factor that serves as a reason

to withhold a certain medical treatment.

Some contraindications are absolute, meaning that there are no reasonable

circumstances for undertaking a course of action. For example, children and

teenagers with viral infections should not be given aspirin because of the risk

of Reye's syndrome, and a person with an anaphylactic food allergy should never

eat the food to which they are allergic. Similarly, a person with

hemochromatosis should not be administered iron preparations.

Other contraindications are relative, meaning that the patient is at higher risk

of complications, but that these risks may be outweighed by other considerations

or mitigated by other measures. For example, a pregnant woman should normally

avoid getting X-rays, but the risk may be outweighed by the benefit of

diagnosing (and then treating) a serious condition such as tuberculosis.

Relative contraindications may also be referred to as cautions, such as in the

British National Formulary.

Consult your doctor.

love, Bobby

*WORLD OF HEPATOLOGY aka AASLD or American association for the study of Liver

Diseases-publishers of quartly magazine callled " Hepatology "

________________________________

To: liver cirrhosis support <livercirrhosissupport >

Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 11:09 PM

Subject: RE: 10 very important points about pain and

liver disease

 

can we take Ibuprofen?

Annie

> To: livercirrhosissupport

> From: gadamscan@...

> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 21:44:51 -0700

> Subject: Re: 10 very important points about pain and

liver disease

>

> Thanks for that, Bobby!!

>

> After you told me about addiction to pain meds, I listened well. But, when

someone told me that a little pot goes a long way in helping for the Hep C

treatment, I just wanted to know where they were when I was suffering. I

certainly have no intention to be big and brave, when any of that liver pain

starts.

>

> I just hope that the manufacturers of Oxy change the formulation enough to get

it back on the market. I don't know why I should suffer because some junkies

out there, get their hands on the oxy and even sell it. But, if Oxy is every

drug addicts dream, why don't I ever hear anything about the morphine?? It must

act different and not to easily broken down for the needle.

>

> Luv Gloria

>

>

>

> ________________________________

>

>

>

>

> It's been a while since I did my usual pain rant. Here are 10 very important

points about pain and liver disease.

> #1. It is true that the liver does not have nerve endings which could cause

pain, but the sack around it is very very abundant in nerve endings, and can

cause you pain so bad that an epidural won't make you comfortable.

> #2 Pain is now thought of as a disease all it's own , period. Some pain is

without any kind of trauma or underlying injury. Pain is a signal sent by

nociceptors to the dorsal horn of the spinal cord. If pain is not treated, it

can damage the dorsal horn and you can end up with chronic pain with no end.

Chronic pain is very difficult to treat in the modern era. (WAR on DRUGS)

> #3 The body has pain receptors called Mu opioid receptors. Also, the body

manufactures a substance which fits perfectly in to these receptors, called

" endogenous opioids " which block pain signals and sooth pain. This happens

without any outside intervention.

>

> #4 Just by coincidence, there is a flower which has sap which can be made in

to medicine which also fits perfectly in to these receptors and blocks the pain

signals, thereby soothing the pain. No other known substance can fit in to these

receptors. It's as if the human body were designed in perfect harmony with

nature so that suffering could be averted.

>

> #5 Some important things to concider about opioid pain medicine. First, it is

nearly non toxic to the liver. Only in very large amounts is it toxic. Crayons

and plastic forks are far more toxic to the liver than morphine and codein.

> #6 These drugs are highly regulated, and an expert pain medicine doctor is the

only place one can go in America to get them. They are practically not available

in many other countries,- but the World Health Organization is trying to make it

a crime against humanity to let people suffer by refusing to treat them with

these readily available and dirt cheap medicines.

> #7 Misuse, diversion(selling your pain medicine), and not following written

instructions are not only a bad idea, but can land a person in prison, or worse.

> #8 NSAIDS like tylenol and advil are contraindicated (a no no) for liver

disease patients. pain medicine is not the same as pain management. Doctors who

practice pain medicine are called " Physiatrists. " I know that it looks like

" Psychiatrists " but let me break it down...

> FIZZ---EYE----A----TRIST.

> #9 Let's review- Pain medicine. Opioid therapy. Chronic pain (pain which has

lasted for more than 30 days) NSAIDS=toxic, Poppies= non toxic... (the seeds

are eaten on bagels around the world)

> #10 dying and taxes are sure things, but suffering need not be. Bobby

>

>

[Guest guest]

NSAIDS might be non toxic to YOUR liver, but to people with advanced liver

disease,IE Cirrhosis, HepC etc, they are not non toxic. My source for this

information is at the bottom of the page...

Nonsteroidal antiinflammatory drugs (NSAIDs) are commonly prescribed for the

bone and joint-related inflammation such as arthritis, tendinitis and bursitis.

Examples of NSAIDs include aspirin, indomethacin (Indocin), ibuprofen (Motrin),

naproxen (Naprosyn), piroxicam (Feldene), and nabumetone (Relafen).

Approximately 33 million Americans take NSAIDs regularly!

NSAIDs are safe when used properly and as prescribed by doctors; however,

patients with cirrhosis and advanced liver disease should avoid NSAIDs since

they can worsen liver function (and cause kidney failure as well).

http://www.medicinenet.com/drug_induced_liver_disease/page9.htm#tocp

bobby

________________________________

To: " livercirrhosissupport "

<livercirrhosissupport >

Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 1:28 AM

Subject: Re: 10 very important points about pain and

liver disease

 

No nsaids are toxic to the liver..if taken on a regular basis

________________________________

To: liver cirrhosis support <livercirrhosissupport >

Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2012 12:09 AM

Subject: RE: 10 very important points about pain and

liver disease

 

can we take Ibuprofen?

Annie

> To: livercirrhosissupport

> From: gadamscan@...

> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 21:44:51 -0700

> Subject: Re: 10 very important points about pain and

liver disease

>

> Thanks for that, Bobby!!

>

> After you told me about addiction to pain meds, I listened well. But, when

someone told me that a little pot goes a long way in helping for the Hep C

treatment, I just wanted to know where they were when I was suffering. I

certainly have no intention to be big and brave, when any of that liver pain

starts.

>

> I just hope that the manufacturers of Oxy change the formulation enough to get

it back on the market. I don't know why I should suffer because some junkies

out there, get their hands on the oxy and even sell it. But, if Oxy is every

drug addicts dream, why don't I ever hear anything about the morphine?? It must

act different and not to easily broken down for the needle.

>

> Luv Gloria

>

>

>

> ________________________________

>

>

>

>

> It's been a while since I did my usual pain rant. Here are 10 very important

points about pain and liver disease.

> #1. It is true that the liver does not have nerve endings which could cause

pain, but the sack around it is very very abundant in nerve endings, and can

cause you pain so bad that an epidural won't make you comfortable.

> #2 Pain is now thought of as a disease all it's own , period. Some pain is

without any kind of trauma or underlying injury. Pain is a signal sent by

nociceptors to the dorsal horn of the spinal cord. If pain is not treated, it

can damage the dorsal horn and you can end up with chronic pain with no end.

Chronic pain is very difficult to treat in the modern era. (WAR on DRUGS)

> #3 The body has pain receptors called Mu opioid receptors. Also, the body

manufactures a substance which fits perfectly in to these receptors, called

" endogenous opioids " which block pain signals and sooth pain. This happens

without any outside intervention.

>

> #4 Just by coincidence, there is a flower which has sap which can be made in

to medicine which also fits perfectly in to these receptors and blocks the pain

signals, thereby soothing the pain. No other known substance can fit in to these

receptors. It's as if the human body were designed in perfect harmony with

nature so that suffering could be averted.

>

> #5 Some important things to concider about opioid pain medicine. First, it is

nearly non toxic to the liver. Only in very large amounts is it toxic. Crayons

and plastic forks are far more toxic to the liver than morphine and codein.

> #6 These drugs are highly regulated, and an expert pain medicine doctor is the

only place one can go in America to get them. They are practically not available

in many other countries,- but the World Health Organization is trying to make it

a crime against humanity to let people suffer by refusing to treat them with

these readily available and dirt cheap medicines.

> #7 Misuse, diversion(selling your pain medicine), and not following written

instructions are not only a bad idea, but can land a person in prison, or worse.

> #8 NSAIDS like tylenol and advil are contraindicated (a no no) for liver

disease patients. pain medicine is not the same as pain management. Doctors who

practice pain medicine are called " Physiatrists. " I know that it looks like

" Psychiatrists " but let me break it down...

> FIZZ---EYE----A----TRIST.

> #9 Let's review- Pain medicine. Opioid therapy. Chronic pain (pain which has

lasted for more than 30 days) NSAIDS=toxic, Poppies= non toxic... (the seeds

are eaten on bagels around the world)

> #10 dying and taxes are sure things, but suffering need not be. Bobby

>

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Gloria, concerning oxycontin versus morphine...

studies indicate that drug users usually show a preference to the morphine when

given a choice. Morphine is older by thousands of years, much cheaper (literally

pennies on the dollar to Oxy) and has less side efects inluding nausea and

itching, but especially itching.

Now for the answer to your question, the news media LOVES to attack oxycontin,

and give it an aura  and mystique which actually fuels it's popularity. There

are many different drugs made from poppies, but the news media only loves to

demonize one... Oxycontin. You will not hear about morphine any time in the the

future. In fact, the short acting version of oxycontin, oxycodone, or even it's

close relatives oxymorphone , hydromorphone, or hydrocodone,...they arent " cool "

enough.

Don't get me wrong, addicts are abusing all these drugs the same, you just dont

hear about it.

Love, Bobby

 

________________________________

To: " livercirrhosissupport "

<livercirrhosissupport >

Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 10:44 PM

Subject: Re: 10 very important points about pain and

liver disease

 

Thanks for that, Bobby!!

After you told me about addiction to pain meds, I listened well.  But, when

someone told me that a little pot goes a long way in helping for the Hep C

treatment, I just wanted to know where they were when I was suffering.  I

certainly have no intention to be big and brave, when any of that liver pain

starts.

I just hope that the manufacturers of Oxy change the formulation enough to get

it back on the market.  I don't know why I should suffer because some junkies

out there, get their hands on the oxy and even sell it.  But, if Oxy is every

drug addicts dream, why don't I ever hear anything about the morphine??  It

must act different and not to easily broken down for the needle.

Luv Gloria

________________________________

 

It's been a while since I did my usual pain rant. Here are 10 very important

points about pain and liver disease.

#1. It is true that the liver does not have nerve endings which could cause

pain, but the sack around it is very very abundant in nerve endings, and can

cause you pain so bad that an epidural won't make you comfortable.

#2 Pain is now thought of as a disease all it's own  , period. Some pain is

without any kind of trauma or underlying injury. Pain is a signal sent by

nociceptors to the dorsal horn of the spinal cord. If pain is not treated, it

can damage the dorsal horn and you can end up with chronic pain with no end.

Chronic pain is very difficult to treat in the modern era. (WAR on DRUGS)

#3 The body has pain receptors called Mu opioid receptors. Also, the body

manufactures a substance which fits perfectly in to these receptors, called

" endogenous opioids " which block pain signals and sooth pain. This happens

without any outside intervention.

#4 Just by coincidence, there is a flower which has sap which can be made in to

medicine which also fits perfectly in to these receptors and blocks the pain

signals, thereby soothing the pain. No other known substance can fit in to these

receptors. It's as if the human body were designed in perfect harmony with

nature so that suffering could be averted.

 

#5 Some important things to concider about opioid pain medicine. First, it is

nearly non toxic to the liver. Only in very large amounts is it toxic. Crayons

and plastic forks are far more toxic to the liver than morphine and codein.

#6 These drugs are highly regulated, and an expert pain medicine doctor is the

only place one can go in America to get them. They are practically not available

in many other countries,- but the World Health Organization is trying to make it

a crime against humanity to let people suffer by refusing to treat them with

these readily available and dirt cheap medicines.

#7 Misuse, diversion(selling your pain medicine), and not following written

instructions are not only a bad idea, but can land a person in prison, or worse.

#8 NSAIDS like tylenol and advil are contraindicated (a no no) for liver disease

patients. pain medicine is not the same as pain management. Doctors who practice

pain medicine are called " Physiatrists. " I know that it looks like

" Psychiatrists " but let me break it down...

FIZZ---EYE----A----TRIST.

#9 Let's review- Pain medicine. Opioid therapy. Chronic pain (pain which has

lasted for more than 30 days)  NSAIDS=toxic, Poppies= non toxic... (the seeds

are eaten on bagels around the world)

#10 dying and taxes are sure things, but suffering need not be. Bobby

[Guest guest]

Any and all my Dr's suggested Acetaminophen if I really needed.  What I did

realize, was that most of the time it was dehydration.  I don't know where

Advil falls; but, I thought I'd found gold when it came to the Fibromyalgia

pain.  Told my Dr and she reacted!!  Turns out that actually, I take beta

blockers, not for high BP; but, for fast pulse. 

I'm sure that I learned this from Bobby!  The OTC's are not dangerous unless

you are not following the directions properly.  Guess that's why I still have a

1/2 a bottle of Acetaminophen sitting here.  LOL

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You should consult your hepatologist for the answer " can I take Ibuprofen? "

I am not allowed to take it according to my entire team of doctors

(pulmonologist, hepatologist,gastroenterologist,oncologist, rheumatologist,

Physiatrist, 3 surgeons and one primary care doctor. According to the *world of

hepatology it is discouraged, because it is contraindicated.   Apparently,

Tylenol is very toxic and ibuprofen can cause deadly bleeding in liver patients.

I pasted this explanation from Wikipedia:

In medicine, a contraindication is a condition or factor that serves as a reason

to withhold a certain medical treatment.

Some contraindications are absolute, meaning that there are no reasonable

circumstances for undertaking a course of action. For example, children and

teenagers with viral infections should not be given aspirin because of the risk

of Reye's syndrome, and a person with an anaphylactic food allergy should never

eat the food to which they are allergic. Similarly, a person with

hemochromatosis should not be administered iron preparations.

Other contraindications are relative, meaning that the patient is at higher risk

of complications, but that these risks may be outweighed by other considerations

or mitigated by other measures. For example, a pregnant woman should normally

avoid getting X-rays, but the risk may be outweighed by the benefit of

diagnosing (and then treating) a serious condition such as tuberculosis.

Relative contraindications may also be referred to as cautions, such as in the

British National Formulary.

Consult your doctor.

love, Bobby

*WORLD OF HEPATOLOGY aka AASLD or American association for the study of Liver

Diseases-publishers of quartly magazine callled " Hepatology "

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To: liver cirrhosis support <livercirrhosissupport >

Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2012 11:09 PM

Subject: RE: 10 very important points about pain and

liver disease

 

can we take Ibuprofen?

Annie

> To: livercirrhosissupport

> From: gadamscan@...

> Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2012 21:44:51 -0700

> Subject: Re: 10 very important points about pain and

liver disease

>

> Thanks for that, Bobby!!

>

> After you told me about addiction to pain meds, I listened well. But, when

someone told me that a little pot goes a long way in helping for the Hep C

treatment, I just wanted to know where they were when I was suffering. I

certainly have no intention to be big and brave, when any of that liver pain

starts.

>

> I just hope that the manufacturers of Oxy change the formulation enough to get

it back on the market. I don't know why I should suffer because some junkies

out there, get their hands on the oxy and even sell it. But, if Oxy is every

drug addicts dream, why don't I ever hear anything about the morphine?? It must

act different and not to easily broken down for the needle.

>

> Luv Gloria

>

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>

> It's been a while since I did my usual pain rant. Here are 10 very important

points about pain and liver disease.

> #1. It is true that the liver does not have nerve endings which could cause

pain, but the sack around it is very very abundant in nerve endings, and can

cause you pain so bad that an epidural won't make you comfortable.

> #2 Pain is now thought of as a disease all it's own , period. Some pain is

without any kind of trauma or underlying injury. Pain is a signal sent by

nociceptors to the dorsal horn of the spinal cord. If pain is not treated, it

can damage the dorsal horn and you can end up with chronic pain with no end.

Chronic pain is very difficult to treat in the modern era. (WAR on DRUGS)

> #3 The body has pain receptors called Mu opioid receptors. Also, the body

manufactures a substance which fits perfectly in to these receptors, called

" endogenous opioids " which block pain signals and sooth pain. This happens

without any outside intervention.

>

> #4 Just by coincidence, there is a flower which has sap which can be made in

to medicine which also fits perfectly in to these receptors and blocks the pain

signals, thereby soothing the pain. No other known substance can fit in to these

receptors. It's as if the human body were designed in perfect harmony with

nature so that suffering could be averted.

>

> #5 Some important things to concider about opioid pain medicine. First, it is

nearly non toxic to the liver. Only in very large amounts is it toxic. Crayons

and plastic forks are far more toxic to the liver than morphine and codein.

> #6 These drugs are highly regulated, and an expert pain medicine doctor is the

only place one can go in America to get them. They are practically not available

in many other countries,- but the World Health Organization is trying to make it

a crime against humanity to let people suffer by refusing to treat them with

these readily available and dirt cheap medicines.

> #7 Misuse, diversion(selling your pain medicine), and not following written

instructions are not only a bad idea, but can land a person in prison, or worse.

> #8 NSAIDS like tylenol and advil are contraindicated (a no no) for liver

disease patients. pain medicine is not the same as pain management. Doctors who

practice pain medicine are called " Physiatrists. " I know that it looks like

" Psychiatrists " but let me break it down...

> FIZZ---EYE----A----TRIST.

> #9 Let's review- Pain medicine. Opioid therapy. Chronic pain (pain which has

lasted for more than 30 days) NSAIDS=toxic, Poppies= non toxic... (the seeds

are eaten on bagels around the world)

> #10 dying and taxes are sure things, but suffering need not be. Bobby

>

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