Re: MILK THISLE-ok, but I am not allowed to take it

[Guest guest]

Welcome Donny,

The key is to try to slow the progression of the disease.I do not have

recommendations for things which will help, like Milk thistle, or such, I am not

a doctor, and have no license to practice medicine. But I have end stage liver

disease, and am currently in this same struggle, and have learned through

various sources what are things which will make  the situation worse.

Being overweight. Drinking alcohol, even small amounts. Foods high in fat, and

sugar. A balanced diet is a good idea for any one and can keep liver disease

from ever starting in the first place. America and Europe are experiencing a

virtual pandemic of liver disease, in the US from drinking to excess and

obesity, and in Europe from drinking and Paracetamol, (the British name for

Tylenol) poisoning. Exposure to chemicals and pesticides. A friend of mine

turned yellow after using rubbing alcohol on his chest acne. He had developed

alcoholic hepatitis.  You see , your skin is your third lung. It can absorb

volatile substances like alcohol and gasoline very very easily. Wear disposable

nitrile gloves when putting fuel in your car, or changing the oil. Many people

are on low protien diets, because we cannot digest too much protein safely. This

is not really the best thing for us, and in the long run, can actually harm the

liver, which needs protein to repair

itself. That being said, the Atkins diet, which is high in protien is in my

opinion very hard on the liver. A good way to find out why I say this would be

to Google " Oxidative Deamination Reaction " This is a process which converts

protein  to energy, and the ammonia by-product is converted to Urea ,Nitrogen,

and keytones. I did the Atkins diet and purposely lived in a condition called

Ketosis for months,(testing positive in urine for keytones) and did lose weight,

but I cannot help think that this diet  harmed my liver. In my youth I spent 4

years aboard a Navy minesweeper being exposed to bilge gasses and stack gasses

as well as Trichloroethelyene and paint. Paint is bad bad bad for the liver. The

chemical toluene and tolulol actuallly cause massive necrosis in liver

hepatocytes, when a person is exposed to minimal amounts of these, which are

found in paint and paint thinner. Tylenol is so toxic to the liver that 50% of

the hepatologists in the

country feel that it is not safe to take in any amount, ever. (The other 50%

vary in their assessment, but conventional wisdom is that it should be avoided

if all possible) I did everything wrong. I was 300 lbs, drank 12 beers a day,

sprayed pesticides for a living, and ate a high fat diet, and in massive

quantities.   I honestly did not know that there would be a breaking point

when I reached 45, but there was.  My entire life was lived as if I was

bulletproof, and I scoffed at people who took care of themselves. There are a

good number of those people in the same predicament as I am, but I digress.

Good luck, and I hope you can stop the progression of your liver disease before

it reaches permanent stage--- Bobby A.

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To: liver cirrhosis support <livercirrhosissupport >

Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2012 3:50 PM

Subject: MILK THISLE

 

Hello!!

I am 47 years old And I was diagnose with NASH and now have cirrosis my doctor

advised me that I M

in a very early stage...I current see a hepatogist in Mobile and he is taking

very good care of me,,so far.

My question is does MILK THISLE actually help this disease. I am doing very WELL

,,,I feel Great

and work every day without any problems so far...Is there anything I can do to

slow this down from progressing to liver failure... I am a FIRM believer in

JESUS CHRIST  and he is in total control of this situation and I have no FEAR

of this...But I want to do do I all I can to take care of myself....Thanks for

any imput...GOD BLESS EACH AND EVERYONE OF YOU...I am Praying for you ALL!!

LOVE Y'ALL!

 

>________________________________

>

> Donny

>        

> donnywilliams2006@...

[Guest guest]

Oh, I forgot the number one thing... SMOKING. Many people are still smoking. We

never discuss it, but it is there. Smoking can greatly increase the chances of

alcoholic hepatitis and NASH ending up as stage 4 fibrosis aka cirrhosis aka

ESLD. Bobby

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To: " livercirrhosissupport "

<livercirrhosissupport >

Sent: Thursday, March 8, 2012 3:49 PM

Subject: Re: MILK THISLE-ok, but I am not allowed to

take it

 

Welcome Donny,

The key is to try to slow the progression of the disease.I do not have

recommendations for things which will help, like Milk thistle, or such, I am not

a doctor, and have no license to practice medicine. But I have end stage liver

disease, and am currently in this same struggle, and have learned through

various sources what are things which will make  the situation worse.

Being overweight. Drinking alcohol, even small amounts. Foods high in fat, and

sugar. A balanced diet is a good idea for any one and can keep liver disease

from ever starting in the first place. America and Europe are experiencing a

virtual pandemic of liver disease, in the US from drinking to excess and

obesity, and in Europe from drinking and Paracetamol, (the British name for

Tylenol) poisoning. Exposure to chemicals and pesticides. A friend of mine

turned yellow after using rubbing alcohol on his chest acne. He had developed

alcoholic hepatitis.  You see , your skin is your third lung. It can absorb

volatile substances like alcohol and gasoline very very easily. Wear disposable

nitrile gloves when putting fuel in your car, or changing the oil. Many people

are on low protien diets, because we cannot digest too much protein safely. This

is not really the best thing for us, and in the long run, can actually harm the

liver, which needs protein to repair

itself. That being said, the Atkins diet, which is high in protien is in my

opinion very hard on the liver. A good way to find out why I say this would be

to Google " Oxidative Deamination Reaction " This is a process which converts

protein  to energy, and the ammonia by-product is converted to Urea ,Nitrogen,

and keytones. I did the Atkins diet and purposely lived in a condition called

Ketosis for months,(testing positive in urine for keytones) and did lose weight,

but I cannot help think that this diet  harmed my liver. In my youth I spent 4

years aboard a Navy minesweeper being exposed to bilge gasses and stack gasses

as well as Trichloroethelyene and paint. Paint is bad bad bad for the liver. The

chemical toluene and tolulol actuallly cause massive necrosis in liver

hepatocytes, when a person is exposed to minimal amounts of these, which are

found in paint and paint thinner. Tylenol is so toxic to the liver that 50% of

the hepatologists in the

country feel that it is not safe to take in any amount, ever. (The other 50%

vary in their assessment, but conventional wisdom is that it should be avoided

if all possible) I did everything wrong. I was 300 lbs, drank 12 beers a day,

sprayed pesticides for a living, and ate a high fat diet, and in massive

quantities.   I honestly did not know that there would be a breaking point

when I reached 45, but there was.  My entire life was lived as if I was

bulletproof, and I scoffed at people who took care of themselves. There are a

good number of those people in the same predicament as I am, but I digress.

Good luck, and I hope you can stop the progression of your liver disease before

it reaches permanent stage--- Bobby A.

________________________________

To: liver cirrhosis support <livercirrhosissupport >

Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2012 3:50 PM

Subject: MILK THISLE

 

Hello!!

I am 47 years old And I was diagnose with NASH and now have cirrosis my doctor

advised me that I M

in a very early stage...I current see a hepatogist in Mobile and he is taking

very good care of me,,so far.

My question is does MILK THISLE actually help this disease. I am doing very WELL

,,,I feel Great

and work every day without any problems so far...Is there anything I can do to

slow this down from progressing to liver failure... I am a FIRM believer in

JESUS CHRIST  and he is in total control of this situation and I have no FEAR

of this...But I want to do do I all I can to take care of myself....Thanks for

any imput...GOD BLESS EACH AND EVERYONE OF YOU...I am Praying for you ALL!!

LOVE Y'ALL!

 

>________________________________

>

> Donny

>        

> donnywilliams2006@...

[Guest guest]

I'll bet that anyone that suffers a chronic disease wish that they had heeded

all that advice we shrugged off.  However, we sure can't go back and have a do

over, so I hope that I am an example to other people.  Don't know if it's the

reason; but, my son watches his diet a lot closer (and lectures me) and works

out at least 3 times a week.  It's very good that he works out because he also

works on computers, so that is definitely not hard labor that could keep him in

shape. 

Truly, Iget a little chuckle.  For a great deal of his school years, he was

really short compared to others.  So he would say " Mom, will I ever grow

tall? "   I'd tell him he had a 50/50 chance.  I have 6'4 " brothers; but, my Dad

was only 5'6 " .  Well, he's comfortable with his height now - he probably at

least 5'8 " or 5'9 " .  Then he asked if he would ever gain wait.  Now, of

course, at that I had to laugh!!  Told him that he'd rue the days that he ever

asked that when he was around 30!!  That has also come true!  LOL

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Welcome Donny,

The key is to try to slow the progression of the disease.I do not have

recommendations for things which will help, like Milk thistle, or such, I am not

a doctor, and have no license to practice medicine. But I have end stage liver

disease, and am currently in this same struggle, and have learned through

various sources what are things which will make  the situation worse.

Being overweight. Drinking alcohol, even small amounts. Foods high in fat, and

sugar. A balanced diet is a good idea for any one and can keep liver disease

from ever starting in the first place. America and Europe are experiencing a

virtual pandemic of liver disease, in the US from drinking to excess and

obesity, and in Europe from drinking and Paracetamol, (the British name for

Tylenol) poisoning. Exposure to chemicals and pesticides. A friend of mine

turned yellow after using rubbing alcohol on his chest acne. He had developed

alcoholic hepatitis.  You see , your skin is your third lung. It can absorb

volatile substances like alcohol and gasoline very very easily. Wear disposable

nitrile gloves when putting fuel in your car, or changing the oil. Many people

are on low protien diets, because we cannot digest too much protein safely. This

is not really the best thing for us, and in the long run, can actually harm the

liver, which needs protein to repair

itself. That being said, the Atkins diet, which is high in protien is in my

opinion very hard on the liver. A good way to find out why I say this would be

to Google " Oxidative Deamination Reaction " This is a process which converts

protein  to energy, and the ammonia by-product is converted to Urea ,Nitrogen,

and keytones. I did the Atkins diet and purposely lived in a condition called

Ketosis for months,(testing positive in urine for keytones) and did lose weight,

but I cannot help think that this diet  harmed my liver. In my youth I spent 4

years aboard a Navy minesweeper being exposed to bilge gasses and stack gasses

as well as Trichloroethelyene and paint. Paint is bad bad bad for the liver. The

chemical toluene and tolulol actuallly cause massive necrosis in liver

hepatocytes, when a person is exposed to minimal amounts of these, which are

found in paint and paint thinner. Tylenol is so toxic to the liver that 50% of

the hepatologists in the

country feel that it is not safe to take in any amount, ever. (The other 50%

vary in their assessment, but conventional wisdom is that it should be avoided

if all possible) I did everything wrong. I was 300 lbs, drank 12 beers a day,

sprayed pesticides for a living, and ate a high fat diet, and in massive

quantities.   I honestly did not know that there would be a breaking point

when I reached 45, but there was.  My entire life was lived as if I was

bulletproof, and I scoffed at people who took care of themselves. There are a

good number of those people in the same predicament as I am, but I digress.

Good luck, and I hope you can stop the progression of your liver disease before

it reaches permanent stage--- Bobby A.

________________________________

To: liver cirrhosis support <livercirrhosissupport >

Sent: Wednesday, March 7, 2012 3:50 PM

Subject: MILK THISLE

 

Hello!!

I am 47 years old And I was diagnose with NASH and now have cirrosis my doctor

advised me that I M

in a very early stage...I current see a hepatogist in Mobile and he is taking

very good care of me,,so far.

My question is does MILK THISLE actually help this disease. I am doing very WELL

,,,I feel Great

and work every day without any problems so far...Is there anything I can do to

slow this down from progressing to liver failure... I am a FIRM believer in

JESUS CHRIST  and he is in total control of this situation and I have no FEAR

of this...But I want to do do I all I can to take care of myself....Thanks for

any imput...GOD BLESS EACH AND EVERYONE OF YOU...I am Praying for you ALL!!

LOVE Y'ALL!

 

>________________________________

>

> Donny

>        

> donnywilliams2006@...