Guest guest Posted April 3, 2004 Report Share Posted April 3, 2004 Boy, Tess, you really have done your research. Thanks for the information. It was very helpful. Noreen [ ] bariatric surgeries The surgery most talked about today is the " gastric bypass " . In this surgery, also called a Roux-En-Y (Carni , Al Roker) or Fobi Pouch (Randy ), the stomach is made into a " pouch " holding approximately 1 ounce. The pyloric valve is done away with. There are proximal, medial, and distal gastric bypasses, each limiting more and more absorption respectively. Folks who have a gastric bypass often experience a phenomenon known as " dumping " when carbs are eaten as the carbs are " dumped " 'as is' from the new pouch as no digestive process has happened in the pouch. " Dumping " can consist of vomiting, the shakes, weakness and sweating, and/or diarrhea. In the " duodenal switch " the left side of the stomach is removed and the stomach becomes banana shaped, holding anywhere from 4 - 6 ounces. Your stomach is still a fully functional stomach as the pyloric valve is left in place. The " switch " part is creating one limb for food transportation and one limb for bile and other chemicals to be transported to an area of " common channel " where both limbs meet and digestion occurs. The length of common channel is usually between 80 and 100 cms, though some surgeons go down to 50 cms. The less common channel equals the less absorption. If problems arise, though the stomach cannot be returned to it's regular size, the common channel can be lengthened to stop or limit the degree of malabsorption. I've got friends with gastric bypasses (Roux-En-Y's, and Fobi Pouches - named after the surgeon who originated that surgery), Lap Bands, and Duodenal Switches, most of whom are having great success. Some surgeons are still doing outdated bariatric surgeries such as the VBG and BPD (the BPD is the first half only of the bileopancreatic diversion with left side partial gastrectomy and duodenal switch commonly called the DS or BPD/DS - which is the surgery I'm having.) The Lap Band has been done a great deal more in Europe and Austrailia with the US lagging behind. The DS or BPD/DS is being used in Europe to " cure " Type 2 diabetes in non-obese people (with a much closer to normal absorption rate) as the " switch " part of the surgery is where the effect on diabetes happens. It is wonderful that we now have different types of bariatric surgery to choose from for each person's specific needs. The " one size fits all " notion is most often a false notion. Toni & I are both embarking on a HUGE journey! It is so exciting, but I must admit I've had a little nervousness lately. I have been looking into this as you all know for over 2 years now...and suddenly it's just 11 days away! It really steams me when people (such as good ol' Dr. Phil) say that any of these surgeries are " taking the easy way out. " EXCUSE ME????? Though I suppose there are some folks for whom bariatric surgery is a means to serve their vanity, most folks I know realize these surgeries are TOOLS, not cures or magic pills. Most folks I know want very much to become healthier! These surgeries give us some help, but we still have to do the hard work of changing many things in our lives. I would never consider any surgery as " taking the easy way out. " Lord knows if we could get the weight down WITHOUT surgery most of us would have done so by now. I'm also interested to see if a major weight loss and healthier eating has any effect on RA and other immune system disorders, other than the obvious - less stress on the joints. Remember Tina who won " Survivor - Austrailia " ? She says her RA was never better than when she was eating less on the show. Well, I could jabber on about this forever! Toni, keep us posted! I'll keep you all posted, too! Love & hugs always... Tess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2004 Report Share Posted April 3, 2004 Tess, Thank you!!!! You post said it all. I also get pissed off when people tell me all you need to do is get up and exercise!!! I even have a friend that is also 100 lbs plus overweight and still believes that if she gets up and exercises she will be fine!! She also is diabetic and getting worst very fast. Every few months her doctor is increasing and adding more meds. She is even seeing kidney damage. All this and she is only 28 yrs old. This is such a big decision and a big life changing decision. No one with sense at least takes this decision lightly! But the rewards if you follow the plan are a longer, healthier and more active life!!! Tess, you know I am here for you!! Please feel free to e-mail me personally. I am also on obesityhelp.com. If you e-mail me privately we can exchange info so you can find me on the site. We can share info so we are no re-inventing the wheel. I am taking all the advice I can from my peer group that my surgeon has. Have you found protein suppliments and vitamins yet? I am just beginning to search. I was given a list of acceptable vitamins and proteim suppliments. I also found a place on the website where you can sign up to get free samples from many of the suppliment companies. I am getting my ducks in a row as fast as I can..cause I know when the approval comes my doc is ready to go and I need to be ready too. The fact is that I will be 4 hrs away from home itself is scarey. Take care Toni > The surgery most talked about today is the " gastric bypass " . In this > surgery, also called a Roux-En-Y (Carni , Al Roker) or Fobi Pouch > (Randy ), the stomach is made into a " pouch " holding > approximately 1 ounce. The pyloric valve is done away with. There are > proximal, medial, and distal gastric bypasses, each limiting more and > more absorption respectively. Folks who have a gastric bypass often > experience a phenomenon known as " dumping " when carbs are eaten as the > carbs are " dumped " 'as is' from the new pouch as no digestive process > has happened in the pouch. " Dumping " can consist of vomiting, the > shakes, weakness and sweating, and/or diarrhea. > > In the " duodenal switch " the left side of the stomach is removed and the > stomach becomes banana shaped, holding anywhere from 4 - 6 ounces. Your > stomach is still a fully functional stomach as the pyloric valve is left > in place. The " switch " part is creating one limb for food > transportation and one limb for bile and other chemicals to be > transported to an area of " common channel " where both limbs meet and > digestion occurs. The length of common channel is usually between 80 > and 100 cms, though some surgeons go down to 50 cms. The less common > channel equals the less absorption. If problems arise, though the > stomach cannot be returned to it's regular size, the common channel can > be lengthened to stop or limit the degree of malabsorption. > > I've got friends with gastric bypasses (Roux-En-Y's, and Fobi Pouches - > named after the surgeon who originated that surgery), Lap Bands, and > Duodenal Switches, most of whom are having great success. Some surgeons > are still doing outdated bariatric surgeries such as the VBG and BPD > (the BPD is the first half only of the bileopancreatic diversion with > left side partial gastrectomy and duodenal switch commonly called the DS > or BPD/DS - which is the surgery I'm having.) The Lap Band has been > done a great deal more in Europe and Austrailia with the US lagging > behind. The DS or BPD/DS is being used in Europe to " cure " Type 2 > diabetes in non-obese people (with a much closer to normal absorption > rate) as the " switch " part of the surgery is where the effect on > diabetes happens. > > It is wonderful that we now have different types of bariatric surgery to > choose from for each person's specific needs. The " one size fits all " > notion is most often a false notion. > > Toni & I are both embarking on a HUGE journey! It is so exciting, but I > must admit I've had a little nervousness lately. I have been looking > into this as you all know for over 2 years now...and suddenly it's just > 11 days away! > > It really steams me when people (such as good ol' Dr. Phil) say that any > of these surgeries are " taking the easy way out. " EXCUSE ME????? > Though I suppose there are some folks for whom bariatric surgery is a > means to serve their vanity, most folks I know realize these surgeries > are TOOLS, not cures or magic pills. Most folks I know want very much > to become healthier! These surgeries give us some help, but we still > have to do the hard work of changing many things in our lives. I would > never consider any surgery as " taking the easy way out. " Lord knows if > we could get the weight down WITHOUT surgery most of us would have done > so by now. > > I'm also interested to see if a major weight loss and healthier eating > has any effect on RA and other immune system disorders, other than the > obvious - less stress on the joints. Remember Tina who won " Survivor - > Austrailia " ? She says her RA was never better than when she was eating > less on the show. > > Well, I could jabber on about this forever! Toni, keep us posted! I'll > keep you all posted, too! > > Love & hugs always... > > Tess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2004 Report Share Posted April 3, 2004 ((((((Tess))))))I know that you are nervous, but it will be OK, and remember we are all here for you praying for you. Your always in my thoughts, and you are such a strong woman. You have really took time to know what is best for you, and not jump into anything. Dr.Phil is a pest, and he don't know what he is talking about. He needs to get a wig,lol sorry. You and Toni are making changes for the better, it's all about health, and that is what is important. I am so happy for both of you, and I think it takes a lot of courage. So, remember we are all here with our love and caring thoughts, and prayers, lots of hugs, Tawny > The surgery most talked about today is the " gastric bypass " . In this > surgery, also called a Roux-En-Y (Carni , Al Roker) or Fobi Pouch > (Randy ), the stomach is made into a " pouch " holding > approximately 1 ounce. The pyloric valve is done away with. There are > proximal, medial, and distal gastric bypasses, each limiting more and > more absorption respectively. Folks who have a gastric bypass often > experience a phenomenon known as " dumping " when carbs are eaten as the > carbs are " dumped " 'as is' from the new pouch as no digestive process > has happened in the pouch. " Dumping " can consist of vomiting, the > shakes, weakness and sweating, and/or diarrhea. > > In the " duodenal switch " the left side of the stomach is removed and the > stomach becomes banana shaped, holding anywhere from 4 - 6 ounces. Your > stomach is still a fully functional stomach as the pyloric valve is left > in place. The " switch " part is creating one limb for food > transportation and one limb for bile and other chemicals to be > transported to an area of " common channel " where both limbs meet and > digestion occurs. The length of common channel is usually between 80 > and 100 cms, though some surgeons go down to 50 cms. The less common > channel equals the less absorption. If problems arise, though the > stomach cannot be returned to it's regular size, the common channel can > be lengthened to stop or limit the degree of malabsorption. > > I've got friends with gastric bypasses (Roux-En-Y's, and Fobi Pouches - > named after the surgeon who originated that surgery), Lap Bands, and > Duodenal Switches, most of whom are having great success. Some surgeons > are still doing outdated bariatric surgeries such as the VBG and BPD > (the BPD is the first half only of the bileopancreatic diversion with > left side partial gastrectomy and duodenal switch commonly called the DS > or BPD/DS - which is the surgery I'm having.) The Lap Band has been > done a great deal more in Europe and Austrailia with the US lagging > behind. The DS or BPD/DS is being used in Europe to " cure " Type 2 > diabetes in non-obese people (with a much closer to normal absorption > rate) as the " switch " part of the surgery is where the effect on > diabetes happens. > > It is wonderful that we now have different types of bariatric surgery to > choose from for each person's specific needs. The " one size fits all " > notion is most often a false notion. > > Toni & I are both embarking on a HUGE journey! It is so exciting, but I > must admit I've had a little nervousness lately. I have been looking > into this as you all know for over 2 years now...and suddenly it's just > 11 days away! > > It really steams me when people (such as good ol' Dr. Phil) say that any > of these surgeries are " taking the easy way out. " EXCUSE ME????? > Though I suppose there are some folks for whom bariatric surgery is a > means to serve their vanity, most folks I know realize these surgeries > are TOOLS, not cures or magic pills. Most folks I know want very much > to become healthier! These surgeries give us some help, but we still > have to do the hard work of changing many things in our lives. I would > never consider any surgery as " taking the easy way out. " Lord knows if > we could get the weight down WITHOUT surgery most of us would have done > so by now. > > I'm also interested to see if a major weight loss and healthier eating > has any effect on RA and other immune system disorders, other than the > obvious - less stress on the joints. Remember Tina who won " Survivor - > Austrailia " ? She says her RA was never better than when she was eating > less on the show. > > Well, I could jabber on about this forever! Toni, keep us posted! I'll > keep you all posted, too! > > Love & hugs always... > > Tess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2004 Report Share Posted April 3, 2004 Tess, Oprah had a show about bariatric surgery a few weeks ago. One thing that they emphasized was that it was not the easy way out! Don't worry about the naysayers; they have nothing to do with you. You have done your homework, and I'm sure that you will do great! You know what you're doing; just hang in there a few more weeks, and the surgery will be behind you. Sue On Saturday, April 3, 2004, at 07:55 PM, Tawny wrote: > ((((((Tess))))))I know that you are nervous, but it will be OK, and > remember we are all here for you praying for you. Your always in my > thoughts, and you are such a strong woman. You have really took time > to know what is best for you, and not jump into anything. Dr.Phil > is a pest, and he don't know what he is talking about. He needs to > get a wig,lol sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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