Re: Ger>Eng: Neueinstellung & age calculation inconsistency?

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

here's my 2 cents:

1) " Medikamente neu einstellen " can refer to changing doses of existing

medications, as well as adding or removing medications from the treatment

regimen (for conditions that are managed with various medications). So it

depends on the context, although the explanation in parentheses points more

towards the latter. My first instinct would have been something like

" modifications of the treatment regimen " . Hope that helps.

2) I'd say it's them... They most likely mean " before the age of 65 " but

mathematically, you are correct. It's a common mistake. Most official

regulations discussing legal age, for example, say " Vollendung des 18.

Lebensjahrs " (which is 18) but in real life you find plenty of examples for

" ab dem 18. Lebensjahr (strictly speaking 17) which has 600k google hits,

most of them falsely referring to legal age. So it's most likely an

unwanted inaccuracy on their side.

René

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René Fassbender, MA, MEd, CT

ATA-certified translator (English<>German)

+1-

2012/1/29

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>

>

> Die Anzahl der Patienten >= 65 Jahren in the Phase III-Studien is zu

> gering. Daher ergibt die Wirksamkeitsanalyse kein einheitliches und

> auswertbares Bild und " Neueinstellungen " (die nicht ein Weiterfuehren

> bereits vor dem 65 [sic, i.e. not 65.] Lebensjahr begonnener Therapie mit

> Response darstellen) sollten nicht begonnen werden.

>

> 1. Neueinstellungen = new titrations? or entirely new prescriptions?

>

> 2. The 65th Lebensjahr starts at age 64, not age 65. This conflicts with

> >= 65 Jahren, which starts at age 65. Is it them, or me?

>

> Thanks,

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hello René,

1) Thanks. It doesn't state specifically that it's Medikamente being neu

eingestellt. Could it refer to new study recruits, as has been suggested

on another list?

2) Great ... on the one hand I am proved right, but on the other I'll now

have to ponder how to phrase this, and probably add a comment, I think ...

Many thanks.

Regards,

> Hi ,

>

> here's my 2 cents:

>

> 1) " Medikamente neu einstellen " can refer to changing doses of existing

> medications, as well as adding or removing medications from the treatment

> regimen (for conditions that are managed with various medications). So it

> depends on the context, although the explanation in parentheses points

> more

> towards the latter. My first instinct would have been something like

> " modifications of the treatment regimen " . Hope that helps.

>

> 2) I'd say it's them... They most likely mean " before the age of 65 " but

> mathematically, you are correct. It's a common mistake. Most official

> regulations discussing legal age, for example, say " Vollendung des 18.

> Lebensjahrs " (which is 18) but in real life you find plenty of examples

> for

> " ab dem 18. Lebensjahr (strictly speaking 17) which has 600k google hits,

> most of them falsely referring to legal age. So it's most likely an

> unwanted inaccuracy on their side.

>

> René

> --------------------------------------------------------------

> René Fassbender, MA, MEd, CT

> ATA-certified translator (English<>German)

> +1-

>

>

>

> 2012/1/29

>

>> **

>>

>>

>> Die Anzahl der Patienten >= 65 Jahren in the Phase III-Studien is zu

>> gering. Daher ergibt die Wirksamkeitsanalyse kein einheitliches und

>> auswertbares Bild und " Neueinstellungen " (die nicht ein Weiterfuehren

>> bereits vor dem 65 [sic, i.e. not 65.] Lebensjahr begonnener Therapie

>> mit

>> Response darstellen) sollten nicht begonnen werden.

>>

>> 1. Neueinstellungen = new titrations? or entirely new prescriptions?

>>

>> 2. The 65th Lebensjahr starts at age 64, not age 65. This conflicts with

>> >= 65 Jahren, which starts at age 65. Is it them, or me?

>>

>> Thanks,

>>

>>

>>

>>

>>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi ,

To me, " Neueinstellungen " clearly refers to adjustments to the treatment

regimen, especially considering the reference to " Therapie " that is given

in parentheses. Hope this helps.

René

--------------------------------------------------------------

René Fassbender, MA, MEd, CT

ATA-certified translator (English<>German)

+1-

> **

>

>

> Hello René,

>

> 1) Thanks. It doesn't state specifically that it's Medikamente being neu

> eingestellt. Could it refer to new study recruits, as has been suggested

> on another list?

>

> 2) Great ... on the one hand I am proved right, but on the other I'll now

> have to ponder how to phrase this, and probably add a comment, I think ...

> Many thanks.

>

> Regards,

>

>

>

>

> > Hi ,

> >

> > here's my 2 cents:

> >

> > 1) " Medikamente neu einstellen " can refer to changing doses of existing

> > medications, as well as adding or removing medications from the treatment

> > regimen (for conditions that are managed with various medications). So it

> > depends on the context, although the explanation in parentheses points

> > more

> > towards the latter. My first instinct would have been something like

> > " modifications of the treatment regimen " . Hope that helps.

> >

> > 2) I'd say it's them... They most likely mean " before the age of 65 " but

> > mathematically, you are correct. It's a common mistake. Most official

> > regulations discussing legal age, for example, say " Vollendung des 18.

> > Lebensjahrs " (which is 18) but in real life you find plenty of examples

> > for

> > " ab dem 18. Lebensjahr (strictly speaking 17) which has 600k google hits,

> > most of them falsely referring to legal age. So it's most likely an

> > unwanted inaccuracy on their side.

> >

> > René

> > ----------------------------------------------------------

> > René Fassbender, MA, MEd, CT

> > ATA-certified translator (English<>German)

> > +1-

> >

> >

> >

> > 2012/1/29

> >

> >> **

>

> >>

> >>

> >> Die Anzahl der Patienten >= 65 Jahren in the Phase III-Studien is zu

> >> gering. Daher ergibt die Wirksamkeitsanalyse kein einheitliches und

> >> auswertbares Bild und " Neueinstellungen " (die nicht ein Weiterfuehren

> >> bereits vor dem 65 [sic, i.e. not 65.] Lebensjahr begonnener Therapie

> >> mit

> >> Response darstellen) sollten nicht begonnen werden.

> >>

> >> 1. Neueinstellungen = new titrations? or entirely new prescriptions?

> >>

> >> 2. The 65th Lebensjahr starts at age 64, not age 65. This conflicts with

> >> >= 65 Jahren, which starts at age 65. Is it them, or me?

> >>

> >> Thanks,

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >>

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Thanks, fair enough.

> To me, " Neueinstellungen " clearly refers to adjustments to the treatment

> regimen, especially considering the reference to " Therapie " that is given

> in parentheses. Hope this helps.

>

> René

>

>

> --------------------------------------------------------------

> René Fassbender, MA, MEd, CT

> ATA-certified translator (English<>German)

> +1-

>

>

>

>

>

>> **

>>

>>

>> Hello René,

>>

>> 1) Thanks. It doesn't state specifically that it's Medikamente being neu

>> eingestellt. Could it refer to new study recruits, as has been suggested

>> on another list?

>>

>> 2) Great ... on the one hand I am proved right, but on the other I'll

>> now

>> have to ponder how to phrase this, and probably add a comment, I think

>> ...

>> Many thanks.

>>

>> Regards,

>>

>>

>>

>>

>> > Hi ,

>> >

>> > here's my 2 cents:

>> >

>> > 1) " Medikamente neu einstellen " can refer to changing doses of

>> existing

>> > medications, as well as adding or removing medications from the

>> treatment

>> > regimen (for conditions that are managed with various medications). So

>> it

>> > depends on the context, although the explanation in parentheses points

>> > more

>> > towards the latter. My first instinct would have been something like

>> > " modifications of the treatment regimen " . Hope that helps.

>> >

>> > 2) I'd say it's them... They most likely mean " before the age of 65 "

>> but

>> > mathematically, you are correct. It's a common mistake. Most official

>> > regulations discussing legal age, for example, say " Vollendung des 18.

>> > Lebensjahrs " (which is 18) but in real life you find plenty of

>> examples

>> > for

>> > " ab dem 18. Lebensjahr (strictly speaking 17) which has 600k google

>> hits,

>> > most of them falsely referring to legal age. So it's most likely an

>> > unwanted inaccuracy on their side.

>> >

>> > René

>> > ----------------------------------------------------------

>> > René Fassbender, MA, MEd, CT

>> > ATA-certified translator (English<>German)

>> > +1-

>> >

>> >

>> >

>> > 2012/1/29

>> >

>> >> **

>>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >> Die Anzahl der Patienten >= 65 Jahren in the Phase III-Studien is zu

>> >> gering. Daher ergibt die Wirksamkeitsanalyse kein einheitliches und

>> >> auswertbares Bild und " Neueinstellungen " (die nicht ein Weiterfuehren

>> >> bereits vor dem 65 [sic, i.e. not 65.] Lebensjahr begonnener Therapie

>> >> mit

>> >> Response darstellen) sollten nicht begonnen werden.

>> >>

>> >> 1. Neueinstellungen = new titrations? or entirely new prescriptions?

>> >>

>> >> 2. The 65th Lebensjahr starts at age 64, not age 65. This conflicts

>> with

>> >> >= 65 Jahren, which starts at age 65. Is it them, or me?

>> >>

>> >> Thanks,

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >>

>> >

>> >

>> >