RE: Integrated Management systems

[Guest guest]

If we appoint a same audit agency for all these three certifications, we

shall get three certifications with single time audit.

The only merit would be some cost savings & time savings

But I personally believe that each management system audit should happen in

different times so that we shall have more focus on one

Subject at a time.

While conducting the audit for OHSAS your focus will be on Safety & Health

While conducting the audit for 14001 your focus will be on Environment

If we mix both, the very purpose of these audits, driving the attention of

all employees and the organisation to a specific cause

- This gets dilluted.

I have not recommended for this integration in our organisation

Suresh

Integrated Management systems

Please add your views.

In case of an Integrated Management Systems -

1. Can we get common certificate or individual for ISO14001, ISO9000 or

OHSAS 18001? 2. Can we conduct common Audits for above?

[Guest guest]

Dear Mr.

Yusuf,

Shall combine

all the Management Systems and get one single certification with one single

audit.

We

thought of going for the integration of management systems is mainly because of

the following :

v The increasing number of management systems.

v Problems involved in the parallel implementation of three individual

management systems.

v Duplication of documentation.

v Multiple responsibilities.

v Frequent interruptions for audits and follow-up.

v Loss of resources and time.

Objectives of Integrated Management Systems

v Eliminate the waste of separate management “reserves”

v Fine-tune your current systems for maximum efficiency and

cost-savings

v Learn to use overlapping requirements to your advantage

v Reduce your audit costs and more importantly the time spent in

preparing for them

v Gain the flexibility you need to meet future customer demands and

regulatory developments

Several approaches shall be adopted for integration of management

systems

Ø

Conversion from existing system

Ø

By simply merging systems

Ø

System Re-engineering approach

All the

three methods has its own merits and demerits.

Out of

the three, System Re-Engineering Approach is the most appropriate one which helps

to keep throughout the focus on the overall process, not separate

disciplines and therefore our attention shall not get diluted with a particular

standard.

Thanks

and Regards

Gopinath

KR

Dy. Mgr. –

Indl. Engg &

MR –

ISO Systems

Madras

Cements Ltd.,

Alathiyur,

Perambalur Dt. 621 730

Mob 94435

76488

Integrated Management systems

Please add your views.

In case of an Integrated Management Systems -

1. Can we get common certificate or individual for ISO14001, ISO9000 or

OHSAS 18001?

2. Can we conduct common Audits for above?

[Guest guest]

Dear Mr.

Kuldeep,

An

integrated management system (IMS) is a management system which integrates all

components of a business into one coherent system, so as to enable the

achievement of its purpose and mission. [Definition given by of the Institute Of Quality

Assurance]

IMS could

not accomplish by just putting each individual system into one book of manual

and procedures and moreover it also is not a software package which comprises

of quality, environmental and health & safety documentation.

IMS shall

be accomplished and attained only through the following:

Ø

Understand and identify the principal business processes.

Ø

Interrelation of cause and effect relationship between the

processes.

Ø

Product quality & its significance of quality plan.

Ø

Environmental aspects / impacts of the processes.

Ø

Health & safety factors involved in the business activity of

the processes

Ø

Social Accountability.

Ø

Carry out hazard identification, risk analysis & its control

methodologies

Ø

Evaluate legislation and other requirements

Ø

Including various system components, like administrative etc.

Your

doubt shall no longer valid and exist.

Gopinath

KR

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[Guest guest]

Dear Yusuf,

We consulted our certify agent, they expressed u can conduct common audit

but the report should mention all three system. But eh external audit will

be done separately and u will get 3 different system certificates.

We integrate the system for our conveniences.

Rgds

Dinesh

Integrated Management systems

Please add your views.

In case of an Integrated Management Systems -

1. Can we get common certificate or individual for ISO14001, ISO9000 or

OHSAS 18001?

2. Can we conduct common Audits for above?