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Hi ,

The Physical Therapist may have been describing the " Sensory Diet. "

Spinning would fall in the Vestibular Processing catagory. These are

techniques used by Occupational therapists. However, just spinning

your son 10 times on a desk chair may not be enough. The following

describes the premises of involving sensory itegration techniques.

The Vestibular system is a sensory system, which responds to motion

or change of head position and is concerned with the perception of

total body movement and gravity. The vestibular receptors in our

inner ear give us information and stimulation that helps to organize

the entire nervous system and influences balance, equilibrium,

postural responces, eye-hand cooridination, muscle tone, body

perception, speech and language development, autimatic body

adjustments, emotional development and behavior, digestion and

learning. It is also considered to be an important center for

bilateral coordination, the development of hand dominance and the

perception of direction and right and left. Slow, linear, rhythmic

swinging is calming and inhibitory to the nervous system. Rapid,

jerky, non-rhythmic, rotational swinging and spinning is more

exctatory.

It is important to watch child carefully for their reactions to

vestibular input. Sign of over-stimulation include flushed or

blanched face, increase or decrease in respiratory rate, discomfort,

excessive yawning or burping, more than normal dizziness or

disorientation.

Vestibular activities include: Swinging (encourage different

positions, i.e. stomach, back,side): bouncing or rolling on a therapy

ball: rocking chair or horse; trampoline; rolling up in a blanket;

spinning in a desk chair; merry-go-round; sliding; summersaults.

Proprioception is the sense of the position of our body parts in

relation to our own bodies. Proprioceptive information is essential

to coordinate and integrate movement as it allows us to know where

our arms and legs are in space.

Some Proprioceptive activities include: Joint compression; jumping;

crawling under, over, through obsticles; pulling, pushing and

carrying heavy objects; deep presure with soft brissle brush

stroking legs and arms (not the stomach or face);Chewy foods;

modeling clay; stringing paper clips; open and closing clothespins

Tactile receptors in our skin provide information that helps

facilitate attetion span, improve body awareness and balance out

emotional resposes to stimulation or stressful situations.

Tactile Processing include Deep presure and light touch activities

such as: Brushing program; bear hugs, back rubs; deep massage; brisk

toweling; walking barefoot on different surfaces; getting hands

messy; finger painting; sand box; playing with diffent textures i.e.

wool, sandpaper, beans.

A complete " Sensory Diet " is the best way to make sure your child

receives enough sensory input throughout the Day. Choose 2-3

activities from the vestibular and tactile groups and 3-4 activities

from the proprioceptive group and spread them through the day. Each

activity should last 15-20 minutes initially.

Take Care, Kris

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She suggests I twirl

> around in the computer chair having it go around about ten times

each

> day.

Hi ,

That is some of the therapy they use for Sensory Integragation

Disorder. Get him a Sit and spin. The Out of Sync Book is wonderful.

It tells all about this disorder.

Pam

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I can appreciate how you feel, our son is 2.5 and is not walking or crawling

yet. When we are at home, it's not an issue--we have our routine. It's

when we get around other kids his age I have to remind myself constantly not

to compare....I think at some point we all do it.

As far as the spinning, swinging, motion, etc., that has all been great for

Evan. His OT introduced it to us in his sessions. He absolutely loves it

(like your son) and you'll probably find benefits from it as well with

. We bought him a swing for outside and before starting that my

husband and I used to put him in a blanket and swing him, or I'd spin him in

my arms. Did the therapist mention that you'll want to watch his eyes and

wait until they stop moving before you spin the other way? Also, if he gets

red in the face or gets warm. These are all indications that he's taken in

enough information and you'll need to stop for the time being--at least

that's what we were told, you might want to check with your therapist.

Evan thinks the activities are really cool. I love it when you see them

having so much fun and they don't realize it's helping them. I know others

will comment on the subject probably with more input. Ours has all been

positive and continues to be.

You might check the archives out too, there were some interesting comments

on ride therapy.

All the best to you and .

Lynn (mom to Evan 31 mths)

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Did the therapist mention that you'll want to watch his eyes and

> wait until they stop moving before you spin the other way?

Lynn, thanks for your input. Yes she did mention to stop moving and

wait until his eyes stop moving. I'm so excited about trying this.

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I am currently devouring it's sequel: The Out-of-Sync Child Has Fun. It is

FULL!!! of activities!! I highly recommend it.

Tammy in Oregon

[ ] Re: Physical therapy?

She suggests I twirl

> around in the computer chair having it go around about ten times

each

> day.

Hi ,

That is some of the therapy they use for Sensory Integragation

Disorder. Get him a Sit and spin. The Out of Sync Book is wonderful.

It tells all about this disorder.

Pam

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My son turned 3 in April and cannot jump either. Do you mind sharing the

tips that lady gave you?

Thanks,

Debbie

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Sent: Saturday, July 05, 2003 10:14 PM

Subject: [ ] Physical therapy?

> I went to a 4th birthday party, for the little autistic boy I tutor,

> today with and one of the women there is a physical therapist

> that works with children. I was talking to her about my concers with

> not being able to jump up with two feet in the air. She gave

> me tips on what to do and also told me about a new therapy where they

> are spinning the kids and it somehow facilitates speech. Something

> about affecting the inner ear, etc. She was a very nice woman but I

> wonder if this was all a bunch of crock. She suggests I twirl

> around in the computer chair having it go around about ten times each

> day. I know for a fact that he loves this, so I guess I will try it.

>

> On the bright side had such a blast and its always so good to

> see him have fun. He loves playing with the other kids and even

> though he lacks speech the other children really seem to enjoy

> playing with him. From far away he even looks like a typical kid but

> then ehhh you get close and I hear the others (even younger) talking

> away. This is always so difficult!!!!

>

>

> 3.1

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I am not the person you wrote to but I can tell you my daughter started to

jump alittle after turning three with the use of a soft bottomed trapoline that

has a handle. We put it in the house and I would try to get her to jump. She

would like to go it while watching TV and when the music came on for the

disney sing-a-longs, I would move her in the jumping motion on the trapoline.

After about a month, I was on the phone and was watching her and instead of

just standing on it, she was jumping!!

Be warned though, once she knew how to motor plan the jumping, she was

jumping everywhere-ie. jumping off of furniture.

Also, if you have access to a pool, jumping into a pool is also something

that teaches the them the jump even if there is no bounce to it.

Carolyn from NJ

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It also helps if the child is in front of a mirror. We happen to

have a really big, antique one in our entry hall, so that is now

our " gym " . The trampoline lives permanently on the marble floor in

front of the ornate, guilded mirror. :) Whatever works, eh?

Marina

> I am not the person you wrote to but I can tell you my daughter

started to

> jump alittle after turning three with the use of a soft bottomed

trapoline that

> has a handle. We put it in the house and I would try to get her to

jump. She

> would like to go it while watching TV and when the music came on

for the

> disney sing-a-longs, I would move her in the jumping motion on the

trapoline.

>

> After about a month, I was on the phone and was watching her and

instead of

> just standing on it, she was jumping!!

>

> Be warned though, once she knew how to motor plan the jumping, she

was

> jumping everywhere-ie. jumping off of furniture.

>

> Also, if you have access to a pool, jumping into a pool is also

something

> that teaches the them the jump even if there is no bounce to it.

>

> Carolyn from NJ

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Marina, you're right. My daughter also liked to jump on the bed where she

could laugh at herself in the bureau mirror. In fact, I remember that I started

holding her in the jumping position on the bed before I got the trapoline.

Carolyn

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I realize I'm quite behind in my messages...sorry!

I had to comment on Tammy's message -- I, too, devoured the sequel to the

OOS Child. However, as great as the ideas sound, they have been tough to

implement. I think they are great activities and ideas, however, my

daughter is VERY stubborn and disinterested in physical activity. (Very low

tone, vestibular and propioceptive issues). The minute she figures out it

is physical in nature...she refuses to cooperate. We've tried everything we

can think of with little luck. As you can expect, PT sessions are a

nightmare, and I think our PT is great. The only thing that she seems to

enjoy is therapeutic horseback riding, which is wonderful but limited in the

benefit it can provide.

For us, the activities in the book are great...but if Ellie would cooperate

with these activities, I'm not sure I'd be needing to read the book in the

first place! If anyone has had experience with a kid like this, I'd love

any advice.

Re: [ ] Re: Physical therapy?

> I am currently devouring it's sequel: The Out-of-Sync Child Has Fun. It

is FULL!!! of activities!! I highly recommend it.

>

> Tammy in Oregon

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Here's one that worked for us. However, I'll mention that our problem was

primarily motivation...followed by physical limitations.

We went to Wal-Mart and I let my daughter pick out " cool jumping shoes " . I

directed her to the tennis shoes, and she of course picked out some garish

lighted-sequined-flashy horrible pair. We got home and I told her she could

only wear the shoes when she jumped on the trampoline (we have a small one

with handle). Maybe it's because she has a shoe thing...but that was

motivation. This would get her to get on the tramp and bounce and

occasionally jump. She's 3 yrs + 2 months and now can just barely clear the

floor with her toes when she jumps. But that's progress.

[ ] Physical therapy?

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>

> > I went to a 4th birthday party, for the little autistic boy I tutor,

> > today with and one of the women there is a physical therapist

> > that works with children. I was talking to her about my concers with

> > not being able to jump up with two feet in the air. She gave

> > me tips on what to do and also told me about a new therapy where they

> > are spinning the kids and it somehow facilitates speech. Something

> > about affecting the inner ear, etc. She was a very nice woman but I

> > wonder if this was all a bunch of crock. She suggests I twirl

> > around in the computer chair having it go around about ten times each

> > day. I know for a fact that he loves this, so I guess I will try it.

> >

> > On the bright side had such a blast and its always so good to

> > see him have fun. He loves playing with the other kids and even

> > though he lacks speech the other children really seem to enjoy

> > playing with him. From far away he even looks like a typical kid but

> > then ehhh you get close and I hear the others (even younger) talking

> > away. This is always so difficult!!!!

> >

> >

> > 3.1

>

>

>

>

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> tone, vestibular and propioceptive issues). The minute she figures out it

> is physical in nature...she refuses to cooperate. We've tried

> everything we

> can think of with little luck. As you can expect, PT sessions are a

I have a kid just like this but moreso with fine motor. Anything anyone

would think would be fun (painting, play dough, etc) he doesn't want to

go near. My son is 5.5 but he get very motivated by sticker charts now.

He'll practice speech and his handwriting without tears, etc to get a

sticker for his chart. He also gets stickers when he sticks with a

therapy session. Once he gets 20 stickers he gets a Rescue Hero or

other small toy (which I keep where he can see them and want them). We

started out having a reward after 5 stickers and gradually increased

it. We don't try and act like whatever is so much fun anymore we just

go with whatever he is saying . Like he might say playdough is hard

work and we'll say that since it is such hard work he can earn 1 sticker

by working on it for 5 minutes and then set our kitchen timer. Not that

we don't try and make things fun but I think it is important to him to

validate his feelings and respect that doing some of these things is

really tough and frustrating.

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Does Ellie have siblings? Here, we usually can get one of the other siblings to

do the activity and make it look really fun and inviting to the one we want to

do the activity. Peer pressure works pretty good usually around here.

Tammy

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I start PT today and after thinking about it last night I realized I have a

few questions.

The PT is for the neck, but trust me, other parts of the body need it more

than the neck.

First, my rheumy sucks. He never listens to me. He has me on Bextra and of

course I have high blood pressure but it isn't the meds.... I don't know, it

was fine before the Bextra now it isn't, you tell me!

There are no other rheumys in the area and traveling longer distances just

isn't an option for me.

Why after all these years has he decided to send me to PT? Is it a

coincidence that his ordering PT coincides with an article saying people

with arthritis need PT?

What do I actually tell the therapist? I mean, I really don't want to make

it sound like my rheumy is an idiot, but he is. There are a lot of places

on this ol bod that needs PT yet he only signed the Rx for the neck. The

best time of day for me is the morning because that is when I take most of

the meds. By 11 am they wear off (I take my meds around 5:30-6:00 in the

morning) and I am pretty much done for the day. I have told the rheumy this

but of course nothing is done about it. In all the years I have been going

to him, he has never ordered x-rays and he hasn't ordered bloodwork for over

2 years. Yes, that scares me especially with taking Bextra. Not to mention

the sun makes me skin sting with this damn Bextra. No kidding. What does

he tell me to do.....use sunscreen. I'm not spending 15 minutes putting on

sunscreen to let the furbabies out which only takes me a minute to hook them

up on their leads and I told him that. I asked him what kind of exercise I

can do in the pool and he said he doesn't know, ask the therapist. He is a

rheumatoligist for * & ^% sake! Shouldn't he know? On the Rx he states that

he wants a report on me... He does this with all my drs. Seems to me he is

one of those drs who gets kick-backs for not ordering the nessesary tests

and saving the insurance company money.....my opinion.......but at this

point I wouldn't put it past him.

Sorry...went off the deep end there.....

I guess the question is ....... how much info does the therapist really

want? Do I tell her about every joint that bothers me? Do I just stick to

the neck problem?

in Ct.

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I also haven't heard anything about not banding after 18 mo as an FDA thing. I

have heard some orthos don't do it, but I think it is primarily due to slower

growth. If you expectations are reasonable I think it is worth a try.

-christine

sydney, 3.5 yrs, starband grad

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> > > olderplag group talks a lot about alternatives to the helmet because

most of the kids on there are too old for them. You might want to subscribe to

get additional information. I've seen most about CST and something called

activator chiro.

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> > > Also, please educate yourself so that you can be sure that you don't want

to helmet. I'd hate to see you in the position that I was put in where we didn't

do a helmet until we were told old to get maximum benefit. I understand that not

everyone wants to band, but I'd love for the decision not to band to be an

informed one. For me, my decision to wait to band was made as an uninformed

person and I will always feel bad about this.

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> > >

> > > I just sent an email to the doctor who wrote our prescription for the

first band to ask her about her understanding of the effectiveness of these

alternative treatments (and whether she'd write me another prescription for

another band if I choose to go that route). She works at the cranial cervical

clinic at Kennedy Krieger Institute in Baltimore. She diagnosed with

Brachcephaly and recommended the band and the CST that we did in conjunction

with the helmet. Because of her recommendation for CST, I believe that she is

open to nonmedical treatments. I also found her to be quite knowledgeable about

the issue and easy to talk to. I will let you know what she has to say.

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> > > Waiting on CT consult next Monday

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> > > Hi, Does anyone have experience with physical therapy and/or massage as

treatment for plagio? I am considering that as an alternate to a helmet and am

trying to gather as much info. as possible right now. Thanks!

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