Guest guest Posted July 3, 2004 Report Share Posted July 3, 2004 Hi there: just had a visit with the rheumy and he is trying me on a new drug " Mirapex " he said it is experimental using for RA and is used for Parkinsons.........It is supposed to help with the fatigue. I just started it and go back to rheumy in 10 days....... I also take Plaquenil, Prednisone....Darvocet and some anti- inflammatories............ Would like to know if anyone knows anything about this drug. Thanks and hopefully you will all enjoy your 4th of July holiday painfree. Hugs Pat in So. Oregon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2004 Report Share Posted July 5, 2004 In a message dated 03/07/2004 12:43:55 Central Standard Time, bureau97504@... writes: > Would like to know if anyone knows anything about this drug. > Mirapex is often used for restless leg syndrome as well, but initially was a Parkinson's drug. Cary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 5, 2004 Report Share Posted July 5, 2004 Pat, Here is the prescribing info from their website. http://www.mirapex.com/C/about.asp I can¹t find anything on the web that Mirapex is being used experimentally for RA. It is used for Parkinson's and restless leg syndrome. I found where it is being used off label for depression, but this site says it makes you more tired, so I can¹t see where it will help with fatigue. http://www.crazymeds.org/mirapex.html All the sites listed fatigue as a side effect, so I¹m really curious why it was prescribed for you. When you go back to your doctor, maybe you want to ask more questions. a > Hi there: just had a visit with the rheumy and he is trying me on a > new drug " Mirapex " he said it is experimental using for RA and is > used for Parkinsons.........It is supposed to help with the > fatigue. I just started it and go back to rheumy in 10 days....... > I also take Plaquenil, Prednisone....Darvocet and some anti- > inflammatories............ > > Would like to know if anyone knows anything about this drug. > > Thanks and hopefully you will all enjoy your 4th of July holiday > painfree. > > Hugs > Pat in So. Oregon > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2004 Report Share Posted July 6, 2004 Maybe I am mixed up about what my rhemy told me.......I have fibro too so maybe it was for that.......guess I had better listen more closely, huh? I go back soon so I will clarify exactly what he said.......... Thanks again! Pat in So Ore. -- a <paula54@...> wrote: > Pat, > Here is the prescribing info from their website. > > http://www.mirapex.com/C/about.asp > > I can¹t find anything on the web that Mirapex is > being used experimentally > for RA. It is used for Parkinson's and restless leg > syndrome. I found > where it is being used off label for depression, but > this site says it makes > you more tired, so I can¹t see where it will help > with fatigue. > > http://www.crazymeds.org/mirapex.html > > All the sites listed fatigue as a side effect, so > I¹m really curious why it > was prescribed for you. > When you go back to your doctor, maybe you want to > ask more questions. > a > > > > > Hi there: just had a visit with the rheumy and he > is trying me on a > > new drug " Mirapex " he said it is experimental > using for RA and is > > used for Parkinsons.........It is supposed to help > with the > > fatigue. I just started it and go back to rheumy > in 10 days....... > > I also take Plaquenil, Prednisone....Darvocet and > some anti- > > inflammatories............ > > > > Would like to know if anyone knows anything about > this drug. > > > > Thanks and hopefully you will all enjoy your 4th > of July holiday > > painfree. > > > > Hugs > > Pat in So. Oregon > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 6, 2004 Report Share Posted July 6, 2004 Pat, since RLS is so common in fibromyalgia, some physicians have been treating their FMS patients with Mirapex (pramipexole dihydrochloride) in the hopes that their sleep quality improves and, thus, lessens daytime fatigue. Below is a recent letter to the Journal of Rheumatology that should explain what you need to know. ************************* Journal of Rheumatology December 2003 Letter to the Editor Fibromyalgia and Pramipexole: Promise and Precaution To the Editor: Despite 13 years of research after the establishment of criteria1, fibromyalgia syndrome (FM) remains difficult to understand and even more difficult to treat effectively. However, 2 articles provide important insight into pathogenesis and lead to a new treatment paradigm involving pramipexole. First, Moldofsky and colleagues describe FM symptoms in healthy controls after an auditory arousal from stage IV sleep over 4 nights2. Second, Yunus and Aldag identified restless legs syndrome (RLS) disproportionately in subjects with FM versus healthy controls (31 % vs 2%, respectively)3. Therefore, FM could be the predictable consequence of prolonged and intense stage IV sleep deprivation, but reduction of the arousal (perhaps RLS as one example) was more important than induction of stage IV sleep with antidepressants. Lorazepam and clonazepam (2 mg qhs) reduce RLS4. In a retrospective chart review, they also reduced FM tenderness scores for 82% of 202 patients at 2 weeks5 and for 62% of 174 patients at one year6 when added to nighttime antidepressants. By intention-to-treat (ITT) analysis at one year, 54% had = 50% decrease in tenderness score using either clonazepam or lorazepam 2 mg qhs. Pramipexole is a second-generation dopamine 2 (D2) receptor agonist, approved by the US Food and Drug Administration in 1997 for Parkinson's disease, that is remarkably effective treatment for RLS7. It has strong affinity for the dopamine 3 receptor subtype in the D2 family, mild affinity for the central alpha-2 adrenoreceptor (target of clonidine), and no affinity for other dopamine, benzodiazepine, norepinepherine, or serotonin receptors. A retrospective chart review of pramipexole for 166 patients with FM revealed encouraging results8. Patients added pramipexole to their best regimen to date and increased by 0.125-0.25 mg weekly, similar to its use for RLS. For those who continued pramipexole for more than 7 days (n = 127), the tenderness score decreased 54% at a mean dose of 1.55 mg qhs for 2-12 months (mean 4 mo). Inefficacy correlated with seeing a psychiatrist (p < 0.05, chi-square test), but not with age, pretreatment tenderness score, or disability. Twenty-three percent quickly discontinued for non-serious intolerances, usually nausea or anxiety. There were no serious adverse events even with doses up to 6.0 mg qhs. By ITT analysis (n = 166), 58% achieved = 50% decrease in tenderness score, even though 22 (13%) discontinued pramipexole before they could be evaluated. Other measures of FM activity were not collected. Further, for 19 patients unresponsive or intolerant to pramipexole, ITT analysis showed that 74% achieved = 50% decreased tenderness score after adding the other known dopamine 3-specific agonist, ropinirole, for a mean of 4 months9. Unfortunately, 13 of 19 also eventually discontinued for non-serious intolerances, especially nausea. Since then, a strategy to decrease gastrointestinal intolerance has been very helpful. Of 89 consecutive patients given pramipexole scheduled to increase by 0.25 mg weekly to 2.0 mg qhs, 57 (75%) noted some nausea when interviewed at 3 weeks (0.75 mg dose). However, 39 of 57 continued treatment and controlled nausea by using one of 4 branded proton pump inhibitors (PPI) qhs at supratherapeutic doses (3 tablets). Of 16 who discontinued pramipexole, 8 refused the PPI and 6 took < 3 tablets qhs. Diarrhea and other PPI intolerances were infrequent. At 8 weeks (pramipexole 2.0 mg qhs), PPI use was not different from pretreatment use (16% vs 15%, respectively). Individual PPI success was unpredictable, ranging from 33% to 54%. Finally, much higher pramipexole doses have been prescribed, as the most therapeutic dosage for FM appears to be 4.5 mg qhs achieved over 12 weeks. With careful monitoring, doses have been increased up to 10.5 mg qhs in select, previously injured, narcotic-dependent patients. A retrospective chart review of usual clinical practice for consecutive patients taking = 2.25 mg qhs (2.25-10.5 mg qhs) revealed 195 patients taking a mean dose of 4.2 mg for 7.6 months (range 2-25 mo). Patients discontinued because of cost (0.5%), inefficacy (5%), and intolerance (4%), including nausea (1.6%), daytime somnolence (1.1%), anxiety (0.8%), headache (0.2%), and dizziness (0.2%). Certainly, more patients had intolerances, but discontinuation rates were unexpectedly low, possibly because the patients were a select group (already tolerating = 2.25 mg qhs) or because the efficacy of pramipexole outweighed the degree of intolerance. In summary, pramipexole may become an important option for patients with FM, but further studies are required to confirm these results and improve its application. Nevertheless, manipulating dopamine-related central nervous system regulatory mechanisms must be gradual, and initial nausea prevented whenever possible. These preliminary safety data are incomplete, but to date, there are no published data at single pramipexole doses > 2.25 mg for any condition. Until more sophisticated, randomized, blinded, placebo-controlled studies are completed, these data may illustrate potential benefits and important precautions when considering pramipexole for FM. ANDREW J. HOLMAN, MD, Pacific Rheumatology Associates, 4300 Talbot Road South, Suite 101, Seattle, Washington 98055, USA. REFERENCES 1. Wolfe F, Smythe HA, Yunus MB, et al. The American College of Rheumatology 1990 criteria for the classification of fibromyalgia. Report of the Multicenter Criteria Committee. Arthritis Rheum 1990;33:160-72. 2. Moldofsky H, Scarisbrick P, England R, Smythe H. Musculoskeletal symptoms and non-REM sleep disturbance in patients with " fibrositis syndrome " and healthy subjects. Psychosom Med 1975;37:341-51. 3. Yunus M, Aldag J. Restless legs syndrome and leg cramps in fibromyalgia syndrome: a controlled study. BMJ 1996;312:1339. 4. Saletu M, Anderer P, Saletu-Zyhlarz G, et al. Restless legs syndrome and periodic limb movement: acute placebo-controlled sleep laboratory studies with clonazepam. Eur Neuropsychopharmacol 2001;11:153-61. 5. Holman AJ. Effect of lorazepam on pain score for refractory fibromyalgia [abstract]. Arthritis Rheum 1998;41 Suppl:A1359. 6. Holman AJ. Safety and efficacy of lorazepam for fibromyalgia after one year [abstract]. Arthritis Rheum 1999;42 Suppl:A487. 7. Lin SC, Kaplan J, Burger CD, Fredrickson PA. Effect of pramipexole in treatment of resistant restless legs syndrome. Mayo Clin Proc 1998;73:497-500. 8. Holman AJ. Safety and efficacy of the dopamine agonist, pramipexole, on pain score for refractory fibromyalgia [abstract]. Arthritis Rheum 2000;43 Suppl:A1599. 9. Holman AJ. Ropinirole, a dopamine agonist, for refractory fibromyalgia: preliminary observations [letter]. J Clin Rheumatol 2003;9:277-9. http://www.jrheum.com/subscribers/03/12/letters.html ************************* I'll tell you where to go! Mayo Clinic in Rochester http://www.mayoclinic.org/rochester s Hopkins Medicine http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org Re: [ ] Anyone heard of Mirapex? > Maybe I am mixed up about what my rhemy told > me.......I have fibro too so maybe it was for > that.......guess I had better listen more closely, > huh? I go back soon so I will clarify exactly what he > said.......... > > Thanks again! > > Pat in So Ore. > > -- a <paula54@...> wrote: > > Pat, > > Here is the prescribing info from their website. > > > > http://www.mirapex.com/C/about.asp > > > > I can¹t find anything on the web that Mirapex is > > being used experimentally > > for RA. It is used for Parkinson's and restless leg > > syndrome. I found > > where it is being used off label for depression, but > > this site says it makes > > you more tired, so I can¹t see where it will help > > with fatigue. > > > > http://www.crazymeds.org/mirapex.html > > > > All the sites listed fatigue as a side effect, so > > I¹m really curious why it > > was prescribed for you. > > When you go back to your doctor, maybe you want to > > ask more questions. > > a > > > > > > > > > Hi there: just had a visit with the rheumy and he > > is trying me on a > > > new drug " Mirapex " he said it is experimental > > using for RA and is > > > used for Parkinsons.........It is supposed to help > > with the > > > fatigue. I just started it and go back to rheumy > > in 10 days....... > > > I also take Plaquenil, Prednisone....Darvocet and > > some anti- > > > inflammatories............ > > > > > > Would like to know if anyone knows anything about > > this drug. > > > > > > Thanks and hopefully you will all enjoy your 4th > > of July holiday > > > painfree. > > > > > > Hugs > > > Pat in So. Oregon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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