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Hi Group,

I am the one with the hole in the tongue. There is nothing new so far. I

saw my Internist, he was still just flabergasted that the Surgeon left me

hanging like he did. He apologized to me, and said that he received alot of

flack for requesting the hyperbaric treatment without any previous proof of

effectiveness. According to the Disease Specialist - the tongue is supposed to

heal in 2 - 3 days. My Internist is an associate clinical professor at UC

, and he was going to present the situation to his colleagues. Nothing

has

healed. Depending upon what I eat, it gets very sore at night and still

oozes blood (not alot). The hole is still there, and the top of the tongue

opens

moves independently from the bottom - so it really is a big, raw, sore that

kind of looks like the end of an elephant trunk with white & red sores around

it. I am on a duragesic patch 50 mcg and that has helped somewhat. I see

the surgeon on Monday - he wants to do a hearing test???? I am just getting

tired of this, especially when I talk for longer than 1 or 2 sentences and I

start feeling the bottom of the hole dragging and getting between my back

teeth. My sister wants to call attorneys. I called 1 and he said that it was

negligence, not malpractice and he did not think anyone would bother with

something so small! I really am trying to stand tall, like everyone said, but

the

pain and baby food is turning me into a wimp. My sister talks big - but

can't go with me or help. Such a small think, such a big pain. I thank

everyone who is praying for me - I believe that is the only thing that will fix

this. Please take care.

Gentle Hugs & Prayers,

Carol M. in CA

ps - Kathe in CA - I know it is brain fog - but what city do you live in?

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Carol,

Maybe a healthy person's tongue would heal in 2-3 days, but someone who's immune

system is compromised may have longer healing time. RA drugs affect how we

heal. Why is the surgeon concerned with a hearing test? I'm glad you're

getting to see him, but hope is concerns are in your mouth. Don't feel like a

wimp. I know how painful your tongue is. I know how it hurts when a little

tiny cut in on my tongue.

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My Internist contacted my Rheumy last week. I am having a blood test, and

did stop MTX and Enbrel for last week. Both are very concerned, I am to take

my temperature and if it is 100 or + to call them and go to the hospital. I

am using Lortab liquid for break thru pain along with the 50 mcg fentalyn

patch, it helps before I eat. I am not driving, I'm pretty loopy. I thought I

had an appointment Monday, but it is not until 1 week from Thursday - I will

call the surgeons assistant - - again tomorrow. To give you an

example - I take plaquinel which looks like a white aspirin tablet - well it

got

stuck inside the hole! I have also lost alot of taste and feel sensations on

the half of my tongue. I know it is just a tongue! But it really is

bothering me, especially the referred ear and neck pain (surgeon said that can

be

there a long time?)

I asked all the right questions, did all the right things to let the Dr.

know about me. I have seen the surgeon/ENT before, he knows me. Just don't

get

it. and I am letting it get me. I want to go to water therapy, but I am

afraid to do so with the patch. The water temperature is at least 90 and I do

not want the patch to send more Fentalyn. Do you have any infor on that.

Thanks for all the support from everyone,

Gentle Hugs & Prayers,

Carol M. in CA

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My Internist contacted my Rheumy last week. I am having a blood test, and

did stop MTX and Enbrel for last week. Both are very concerned, I am to take

my temperature and if it is 100 or + to call them and go to the hospital. I

am using Lortab liquid for break thru pain along with the 50 mcg fentalyn

patch, it helps before I eat. I am not driving, I'm pretty loopy. I thought I

had an appointment Monday, but it is not until 1 week from Thursday - I will

call the surgeons assistant - - again tomorrow. To give you an

example - I take plaquinel which looks like a white aspirin tablet - well it

got

stuck inside the hole! I have also lost alot of taste and feel sensations on

the half of my tongue. I know it is just a tongue! But it really is

bothering me, especially the referred ear and neck pain (surgeon said that can

be

there a long time?)

I asked all the right questions, did all the right things to let the Dr.

know about me. I have seen the surgeon/ENT before, he knows me. Just don't

get

it. and I am letting it get me. I want to go to water therapy, but I am

afraid to do so with the patch. The water temperature is at least 90 and I do

not want the patch to send more Fentalyn. Do you have any infor on that.

Thanks for all the support from everyone,

Gentle Hugs & Prayers,

Carol M. in CA

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Carol, that still sounds really awful. Did you ever talk to your

rheumatologist?

I continue to worry about infection, especially if you are taking your

Enbrel.

I'll tell you where to go!

Mayo Clinic in Rochester

http://www.mayoclinic.org/rochester

s Hopkins Medicine

http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org

[ ] Update from Carol

>

> Hi Group,

> I am the one with the hole in the tongue. There is nothing new so

far. I

> saw my Internist, he was still just flabergasted that the Surgeon

left me

> hanging like he did. He apologized to me, and said that he received

alot of

> flack for requesting the hyperbaric treatment without any previous

proof of

> effectiveness. According to the Disease Specialist - the tongue is

supposed to

> heal in 2 - 3 days. My Internist is an associate clinical professor

at UC

> , and he was going to present the situation to his colleagues.

Nothing has

> healed. Depending upon what I eat, it gets very sore at night and

still

> oozes blood (not alot). The hole is still there, and the top of the

tongue opens

> moves independently from the bottom - so it really is a big, raw,

sore that

> kind of looks like the end of an elephant trunk with white & red

sores around

> it. I am on a duragesic patch 50 mcg and that has helped somewhat.

I see

> the surgeon on Monday - he wants to do a hearing test???? I am just

getting

> tired of this, especially when I talk for longer than 1 or 2

sentences and I

> start feeling the bottom of the hole dragging and getting between my

back

> teeth. My sister wants to call attorneys. I called 1 and he said

that it was

> negligence, not malpractice and he did not think anyone would bother

with

> something so small! I really am trying to stand tall, like everyone

said, but the

> pain and baby food is turning me into a wimp. My sister talks big -

but

> can't go with me or help. Such a small think, such a big pain. I

thank

> everyone who is praying for me - I believe that is the only thing

that will fix

> this. Please take care.

> Gentle Hugs & Prayers,

> Carol M. in CA

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Carol, that still sounds really awful. Did you ever talk to your

rheumatologist?

I continue to worry about infection, especially if you are taking your

Enbrel.

I'll tell you where to go!

Mayo Clinic in Rochester

http://www.mayoclinic.org/rochester

s Hopkins Medicine

http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org

[ ] Update from Carol

>

> Hi Group,

> I am the one with the hole in the tongue. There is nothing new so

far. I

> saw my Internist, he was still just flabergasted that the Surgeon

left me

> hanging like he did. He apologized to me, and said that he received

alot of

> flack for requesting the hyperbaric treatment without any previous

proof of

> effectiveness. According to the Disease Specialist - the tongue is

supposed to

> heal in 2 - 3 days. My Internist is an associate clinical professor

at UC

> , and he was going to present the situation to his colleagues.

Nothing has

> healed. Depending upon what I eat, it gets very sore at night and

still

> oozes blood (not alot). The hole is still there, and the top of the

tongue opens

> moves independently from the bottom - so it really is a big, raw,

sore that

> kind of looks like the end of an elephant trunk with white & red

sores around

> it. I am on a duragesic patch 50 mcg and that has helped somewhat.

I see

> the surgeon on Monday - he wants to do a hearing test???? I am just

getting

> tired of this, especially when I talk for longer than 1 or 2

sentences and I

> start feeling the bottom of the hole dragging and getting between my

back

> teeth. My sister wants to call attorneys. I called 1 and he said

that it was

> negligence, not malpractice and he did not think anyone would bother

with

> something so small! I really am trying to stand tall, like everyone

said, but the

> pain and baby food is turning me into a wimp. My sister talks big -

but

> can't go with me or help. Such a small think, such a big pain. I

thank

> everyone who is praying for me - I believe that is the only thing

that will fix

> this. Please take care.

> Gentle Hugs & Prayers,

> Carol M. in CA

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Carol, as long as your rheumatologist knows how bad it is, OK. I was

hoping he would want to take a look at it. Seeing is believing!

Glad that you have stopped both the MTX and Enbrel. From one of your

previous posts, I was under the impression that you stopped only the

MTX.

I would ask the physician who prescribed the fentanyl about what to do

about water therapy.

From the manufacturer of the Duragesic patch:

" Direct sources of heat may increase the amount of medication you

receive through the skin from the patch. Do not use electric blankets,

heating pads, sun lamps, heated water beds, or other sources of direct

heat on a patch. Avoid sunbathing, long hot baths, or other sources of

heat to the body. "

http://www.duragesic.com/html/dur/pd_patient.xml?article=safety.jspf

Again, I am so sorry that this is happening to you.

I'll tell you where to go!

Mayo Clinic in Rochester

http://www.mayoclinic.org/rochester

s Hopkins Medicine

http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org

Re: [ ] Update from Carol

>

> ,

> My Internist contacted my Rheumy last week. I am having a blood test,

and

> did stop MTX and Enbrel for last week. Both are very concerned, I am

to take

> my temperature and if it is 100 or + to call them and go to the

hospital. I

> am using Lortab liquid for break thru pain along with the 50 mcg

fentalyn

> patch, it helps before I eat. I am not driving, I'm pretty loopy. I

thought I

> had an appointment Monday, but it is not until 1 week from Thursday -

I will

> call the surgeons assistant - - again tomorrow. To give you

an

> example - I take plaquinel which looks like a white aspirin tablet -

well it got

> stuck inside the hole! I have also lost alot of taste and feel

sensations on

> the half of my tongue. I know it is just a tongue! But it really is

> bothering me, especially the referred ear and neck pain (surgeon said

that can be

> there a long time?)

> I asked all the right questions, did all the right things to let the

Dr.

> know about me. I have seen the surgeon/ENT before, he knows me. Just

don't get

> it. and I am letting it get me. I want to go to water therapy, but I

am

> afraid to do so with the patch. The water temperature is at least 90

and I do

> not want the patch to send more Fentalyn. Do you have any infor on

that.

> Thanks for all the support from everyone,

> Gentle Hugs & Prayers,

> Carol M. in CA

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Carol, as long as your rheumatologist knows how bad it is, OK. I was

hoping he would want to take a look at it. Seeing is believing!

Glad that you have stopped both the MTX and Enbrel. From one of your

previous posts, I was under the impression that you stopped only the

MTX.

I would ask the physician who prescribed the fentanyl about what to do

about water therapy.

From the manufacturer of the Duragesic patch:

" Direct sources of heat may increase the amount of medication you

receive through the skin from the patch. Do not use electric blankets,

heating pads, sun lamps, heated water beds, or other sources of direct

heat on a patch. Avoid sunbathing, long hot baths, or other sources of

heat to the body. "

http://www.duragesic.com/html/dur/pd_patient.xml?article=safety.jspf

Again, I am so sorry that this is happening to you.

I'll tell you where to go!

Mayo Clinic in Rochester

http://www.mayoclinic.org/rochester

s Hopkins Medicine

http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org

Re: [ ] Update from Carol

>

> ,

> My Internist contacted my Rheumy last week. I am having a blood test,

and

> did stop MTX and Enbrel for last week. Both are very concerned, I am

to take

> my temperature and if it is 100 or + to call them and go to the

hospital. I

> am using Lortab liquid for break thru pain along with the 50 mcg

fentalyn

> patch, it helps before I eat. I am not driving, I'm pretty loopy. I

thought I

> had an appointment Monday, but it is not until 1 week from Thursday -

I will

> call the surgeons assistant - - again tomorrow. To give you

an

> example - I take plaquinel which looks like a white aspirin tablet -

well it got

> stuck inside the hole! I have also lost alot of taste and feel

sensations on

> the half of my tongue. I know it is just a tongue! But it really is

> bothering me, especially the referred ear and neck pain (surgeon said

that can be

> there a long time?)

> I asked all the right questions, did all the right things to let the

Dr.

> know about me. I have seen the surgeon/ENT before, he knows me. Just

don't get

> it. and I am letting it get me. I want to go to water therapy, but I

am

> afraid to do so with the patch. The water temperature is at least 90

and I do

> not want the patch to send more Fentalyn. Do you have any infor on

that.

> Thanks for all the support from everyone,

> Gentle Hugs & Prayers,

> Carol M. in CA

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