RE: Re: This Crazy World Of PCa

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If sex or a rusty zipper is more important to you than life? Then you might be thinking with the wrong head!

In what context is this meant? I would think that any man given the choice of a sex life or simply life would obviously choose life, it's a no brainer. The question is, where is aggressive treatment appropriate? If I can choose a sex life as well as life, then I can have my cake and eat it. That is not thinking with the wrong head, that my friend is thinking out of the box.

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I think everyone can agree for a 50 or 60 yr old no mets, still contained; surgery is the way to go for a close to 100% cure rate. The rest of the treatment options dont seem to offer anything close to 100%. More like 70% or so from what i can find. I can put it this way for those who fall into that catagory. If you play Russian Roulette and spin the cylinder after each trigger pull the odds are one in six your favor as long as you play. However if the cylinder is not spined between pulls the the odds drop with each pull starting 1-6 1-5 1-4 1-3 50-50 until "bang" There was no insult intended CK just my opinion. coolerking5@... wrote: In a message dated

25/04/2006 22:44:55 GMT Standard Time, smcdaniel2@... writes: If sex or a rusty zipper is more important to you than life? Then you might be thinking with the wrong head! In what context is this meant? I would think that any man given the choice of a sex life or simply life would obviously choose life, it's a no brainer. The question is, where is aggressive treatment appropriate? If I can choose a sex life as well as life, then I can have my cake and eat it. That is not thinking with the wrong head, that my friend is thinking out of the box.

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Sam,

This kind of statement is not supported by

any good data and it tends to be somewhat inflammatory.

I have been on Mailing Lists for many

years now and have seen debates rage and get out of control as men try to

justify their own choices.

My personal belief is that we ‘old

timers’ should always try to be very careful in what we say to newly diagnosed

people. We should help them by guiding them to relevant information but we

should try not to let our personal beliefs and paradigms colour this information

and we should certainly avoid giving firm advice since very few of us are

medical  doctors and none of us will have examined the people.

All the best

Terry Herbert

in Melbourne Australia

Diagnosed ‘96: Age 54: Stage T2b: PSA 7.2: Gleason

3+3=6: No treatment. June '04: TURP. Mar '06 PSA 17.40 fPSA 23%

My site is at www.prostatecancerwatchfulwaiting.co.za

It is a tragedy of the world that no one

knows what he doesn’t know, and the less a man knows, the more sure he is

that he knows everything.   Joyce Carey

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On Behalf Of sam mcdaniel

Sent: 26 April 2006 10:32 AM

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Subject: Re:

Re: This Crazy World Of PCa

I think everyone can agree for a 50 or 60 yr old no mets, still

contained; surgery is the way to go for a close to 100% cure rate. The rest of

the treatment options dont seem to offer anything close to 100%. More like 70%

or so from what i can find. I can put it this way for those who fall into that

catagory. If you play Russian Roulette and spin the cylinder after each trigger

pull the odds are one in six your favor as long as you play. However if the

cylinder is not spined between pulls the the odds drop with each

pull starting 1-6 1-5 1-4 1-3 50-50 until

" bang "

There was no insult intended CK just my opinion.

coolerking5@...

wrote:

In a message dated

25/04/2006 22:44:55 GMT Standard Time, smcdaniel2@... writes:

If sex or a rusty zipper is more

important to you than life? Then you might be thinking with the wrong

head!

In what context

is this meant? I would think that any man given the choice of a sex life

or simply life would obviously choose life, it's a no brainer. The

question is, where is aggressive treatment appropriate? If I can choose a sex

life as well as life, then I can have my cake and eat it. That is not

thinking with the wrong head, that my friend is thinking out of the box.

The prostate cancer facts, a forum

for survival stats, end of life, and other issues we normally don't discuss.

So if your looking for this type of support information stop on by.

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at groups.google.com

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One simple truth we all must remember is that the majority of men with PCa die with it not from it and we tend to overlook other dangers such as diabetes and heart disease, far bigger killers of mankind.

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It was'nt ment to be offensive. I did include quite a number of site links to the ACS regarding each choice so people could make up their own minds. I carefully stated it was only my opinion as each responder has stated their opinion without any backing links to anything. Im sorry you have taken it that way, but my stand is as stated. Im sorry you didnt read the original post.Terry Herbert wrote: Sam, This kind of statement is not supported by any good data and it tends to be somewhat inflammatory. I have been on Mailing Lists for many years now and have seen debates rage and get out of control as men try to justify their own choices. My personal belief is that we ‘old timers’ should always try to be very careful in what we say to newly diagnosed people. We should help them by guiding them to relevant information but we should try not to let our personal beliefs and paradigms colour this

information and we should certainly avoid giving firm advice since very few of us are medical doctors and none of us will have examined the people. All the best Terry Herbert in Melbourne Australia Diagnosed ‘96: Age 54: Stage T2b: PSA 7.2: Gleason 3+3=6: No treatment. June '04: TURP.

Mar '06 PSA 17.40 fPSA 23% My site is at www.prostatecancerwatchfulwaiting.co.za It is a tragedy of the world that no one knows what he doesn’t know, and the less a man knows, the more sure he is that he knows everything. Joyce Carey From: ProstateCancerSupport [mailto:ProstateCancerSupport ] On Behalf Of sam mcdanielSent: 26 April 2006 10:32 AMTo: ProstateCancerSupport Subject: Re: Re: This Crazy World Of PCa I think everyone can agree for a 50 or 60 yr old no mets, still contained; surgery is the way to go for a close to 100% cure rate. The rest of the treatment options dont seem to offer anything close to 100%. More like 70% or so from what i can find. I can put it this way for those who fall into that catagory. If you play Russian Roulette and spin the cylinder after each trigger pull the odds are one in six your favor as long as you play. However if the cylinder is not spined between pulls the the odds drop with each pull starting 1-6 1-5 1-4 1-3 50-50 until

"bang" There was no insult intended CK just my opinion. coolerking5@... wrote: In a message dated 25/04/2006 22:44:55 GMT Standard Time, smcdaniel2@...

writes: If sex or a rusty zipper is more important to you than life? Then you might be thinking with the wrong head! In what context is this meant? I would think that any man given the choice of a sex life or simply life would

obviously choose life, it's a no brainer. The question is, where is aggressive treatment appropriate? If I can choose a sex life as well as life, then I can have my cake and eat it. That is not thinking with the wrong head, that my friend is thinking out of the box. The prostate cancer facts, a forum for survival stats, end of life, and other issues we normally don't discuss. So if your looking for this type of support information stop on by. Browse Archives at groups.google.com Blab-away for as little as 1¢/min. Make PC-to-Phone Calls using Yahoo! Messenger with Voice.

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HI,

You can believe whatever you want to, but I have never seen any

statistics which prove that surgery is better than many of the

other options. I BELIEVE that some of the other options have

fewer unpleasant side effects than surgery.

I had surgery in 1992 when we did not have too many options.

If I had it to do over, I would not choose surgery today.

I wish you all the bestAubrey Pilgrim, DC (Ret.)Author of A Revolutionary Approach to Prostate Cancer-Read the original book for free at: www.prostatepointers.org/prostate/lay/apilgrimRead the new edition for free at http://www.cancer.prostate-help.org/capilgr.htmDr. E. Crawford is co-author of the revision

n a message dated 4/25/2006 8:34:44 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, smcdaniel2@... writes:

I think everyone can agree for a 50 or 60 yr old no mets, still contained; surgery is the way to go for a close to 100% cure rate. The rest of the treatment options dont seem to offer anything close to 100%. More like 70% or so from what i can find. I can put it this way for those who fall into that catagory. If you play Russian Roulette and spin the cylinder after each trigger pull the odds are one in six your favor as long as you play. However if the cylinder is not spined between pulls the the odds drop with each pull starting 1-6 1-5 1-4 1-3 50-50 until "bang"

There was no insult intended CK just my opinion.

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but what the 10,000 who die in britain every year from it ?coolerking5@... wrote: One simple truth we all must remember is that the majority of men with PCa die with it not from it and we tend to overlook other dangers such as diabetes and heart disease, far bigger killers of mankind.

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The same is true for breast cancer but PCa is still way up on the list of cancer killers in men the same way breast cancer is in women. I have never heard anyone say a woman is more likely going to die with breast cancer rather than from it. It is misleading to the individual to assume that you will die with it rather than from it.

For causes of death in men by age in the US go to:

http://www.cdc.gov/men/lcod/02all.pdf

You will see that cancer is the number one cause in the 55 to 74 age range. It beats heart disease.

Prostate cancer is the number 2 cause of cancer death in men. Lung cancer is the number one cause.

As a widow, I know many widows who lost their husbands too young to prostate cancer.

Glib statement like the one you made minimizes the seriousness of the cancer. It is not a disease that should be taken lightly. We all remember Juel and other women on this list who within recent memory lost their husbands to PCa. These men left behind children and too often they are young children.

Yes some men have slow growing cancers but too many have aggressive disease and it is a serious problem and the aggressive disease needs to be treated.

I wish that men would die with PCa not from it.

Kathy

-----Original Message-----From: ProstateCancerSupport [mailto:ProstateCancerSupport ] On Behalf Of coolerking5@...Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 3:57 AMTo: ProstateCancerSupport Subject: Re: Re: This Crazy World Of PCa

One simple truth we all must remember is that the majority of men with PCa die with it not from it and we tend to overlook other dangers such as diabetes and heart disease, far bigger killers of mankind.

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Please refer to my first posting and how to search for the information in yahoo search engine. You wil find the studies.APilgrm@... wrote: HI, You can believe whatever you want to, but I have never seen any statistics which prove that surgery is better than many of the other options. I BELIEVE that some of the other options have fewer unpleasant side effects than surgery. I had surgery in 1992 when we did not have too many options. If I had it to do over, I would not choose surgery today. I wish you all the bestAubrey Pilgrim, DC (Ret.)Author of A Revolutionary

Approach to Prostate Cancer-Read the original book for free at: www.prostatepointers.org/prostate/lay/apilgrimRead the new edition for free at http://www.cancer.prostate-help.org/capilgr.htmDr. E. Crawford is co-author of the revision n a message dated 4/25/2006 8:34:44 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, smcdaniel2@... writes: I think everyone can agree for a 50 or 60 yr old no mets, still contained; surgery is the way to go for a close to 100% cure rate. The rest of the treatment options dont seem to offer anything close to 100%.

More like 70% or so from what i can find. I can put it this way for those who fall into that catagory. If you play Russian Roulette and spin the cylinder after each trigger pull the odds are one in six your favor as long as you play. However if the cylinder is not spined between pulls the the odds drop with each pull starting 1-6 1-5 1-4 1-3 50-50 until "bang" There was no insult intended CK just my opinion.

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