Re: First time you had a fib

December 20, 2000

What in heavens name is bio-feedback?

December 20, 2000

About 15 years ago, I had a severe migrain - my first. When it was

diagnosed, my doctor said, " Now that this has happened, you will continue to

have migrains. Once the body has learned a bad habit like this, it tends to

repeat it. "

I started to use bio-feedback to manage the migrains, and it works. I don't

have them any more.

Now, I remember what the doc said about the body keeping bad habits once

they start, and I'm using bio-feedback, along with diet and mild exercise,

etc., to deal with my afib. It seems to be working.

I just have to believe that, if there's something that causes the afib to

start, the HAS to be something that can cause it to stop.

Willa

First time you had a fib

> I got an a fib diagnosis just a few months ago. So I can well remember

> the first time I had it. It was a very hot summer day, I was on

> vacation, had been walking all day long, had little to no water all

> day and was terribly dehydrated. I suddenly felt very very weak and

> checked my pulse, it was horribly irratic. I sat down, had two bottles

> of water and after a while it was fine, so I decided it was just the

> deydration. A month later, it happened while I was having lunch with

> co-workers. I went to see my doc and an EKG confirmed a fib. Again, I

> came out of it. A month and a half later I was having episodes almost

> every day for 3 weeks (only exceptions, days I didn't do any walking

> around).

>

> What sets us off the first time? Was it the dehydration episode that

> has given this to me for life? I was also on a simple diuretic at that

> point (bp had been 130/90 for a while, so was trying to bring it down

> a bit), and had been eating a banana each day, but who knows.

>

> annie

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December 20, 2000

Hi, Annie, I truly don't believe that we have afib for life. Yes,

there is a " the more you have the more you have " belief, but it seems

to me that since mostly we are NOT in afib, the heart can just as

easily darn reprogram it self back to sinus rhythm.

So, like Willa, I am working on alternative med things, and also

snarfing vitamins.

I just did a little test, since someone had posted that magnesium

citrate was not easily absorbable. Some time ago I read about

calcium suppliments varying a lot in absorbability, and the test

recommended was to put a tablet in warm water for 30 minutes and see

if it dissolved. Well, I just did that with a tablet of magnesium

citrate that the health food store guy said was a good brand, and I

checked it 15 minutes later and it was totally dissolved.

December 20, 2000

> I got an a fib diagnosis just a few months ago. So I can well

remember

> the first time I had it. It was a very hot summer day, I was on

> vacation, had been walking all day long, had little to no water all

> day and was terribly dehydrated. I suddenly felt very very weak and

> checked my pulse, it was horribly irratic. I sat down, had two

bottles

> of water and after a while it was fine, so I decided it was just the

> deydration. A month later, it happened while I was having lunch with

> co-workers. I went to see my doc and an EKG confirmed a fib. Again,

I

> came out of it. A month and a half later I was having episodes

almost

> every day for 3 weeks (only exceptions, days I didn't do any walking

> around).

>

> What sets us off the first time? Was it the dehydration episode that

> has given this to me for life? I was also on a simple diuretic at

that

> point (bp had been 130/90 for a while, so was trying to bring it

down

> a bit), and had been eating a banana each day, but who knows.

>

> annie

For general info, that sounds like my first time. My first (known)

episode of AF came a day after I'd spent about 3 hours shovelling and

digging ice to provide drainage in my yard. I sweated like a horse,

wearing clothes too heavy, never, as I recall, drinking water, and the

next day, the first AF attack came. Anyone studying www.watercure.com

on the Web would find it interesting. Dr. Batmangelidj is convinced

ANYTHING can be cured by enough water. Interestingly, my episodes

rapidly increased in frequency and duration when I worked hard on

upping my water intake to app. 100 oz/da.

December 20, 2000

I think many people approach bio-feedback in different ways, but here's how

I do it.

In migrain headaches, you get an " aura " , so you can tell one is coming. My

" cure " is to sit down, turn my attention " inward " and focus on relaxing

techniques. I close my eyes, take deep breaths, then practice tensing and

relaxing my muscles, a few at a time, starting with my toes, and ending with

my face. This stops a migrain before it can develop every time.

About 15 years ago, My ex-husband had his heart valve replaced with a

titanium one that could be heard by people standing around him. I would sit

at the table between him and a clock that had a loud tick. When we first sat

down, the clock and his valve would always be out of sinc. But I noticed

that, within just a few minutes, his heart would adapt itself to the tick of

the clock. It was really interesting to see that happen.

Later, when my own heart began to go into afib, I remembered this. I started

to put on music with a pleasant beat, and then relax while I walked in step

with the music. (Mild exercise helps me: that's why I stroll around.) I sing

with it, so I can pick up the beat. This works for me, and I return to

normal sinus rhythm in just a little while.

I know that different things work for different people, and this isn't a

total cure. I don't really want to sound like a kook. But our bodies do

respond to measured rhythms, and to directions from our minds. Anyway,

whatever works, right?

Willa

Re: First time you had a fib

> What in heavens name is bio-feedback?

>

December 21, 2000

In article <91r39a+6vdjeGroups>, trudyjh@... writes

>I just did a little test, since someone had posted that magnesium

>citrate was not easily absorbable. Some time ago I read about

>calcium suppliments varying a lot in absorbability, and the test

>recommended was to put a tablet in warm water for 30 minutes and see

>if it dissolved. Well, I just did that with a tablet of magnesium

>citrate that the health food store guy said was a good brand, and I

>checked it 15 minutes later and it was totally dissolved.

I also thought I read a while ago that the citrate was in fact one of

the highly absorbable Mg products - which is why I have a big bottle of

it! (just started back on it) (the other absorbable one being a chelated

version, IIRC)

--

Best of health to all

Vicky

December 21, 2000

In article <91qa18+ka92eGroups>, annie_pope@... writes

>What sets us off the first time?

Mine crept up on me over years - (just like Coumel describes) - I was

sure at the time that there must have been triggers, and looking back

I'm now sure they were gastric - I used to get the odd thump and

unsteady rhythm after coming back off meditation retreats where I was

eating much more healthily than usual, and a day or two after I would

start getting the thumps, presumably as my digestion was back into

" wrong eating " .

--

Best of health to all

Vicky

December 21, 2000

I also find that if I walk with a regular beat (I haven't thought of using

music or humming/singing a song, too) that I can get back into NSR. Very

interesting information about your husband's heart. Sharon

December 21, 2000

In a message dated 12/20/00 7:52:29 AM Eastern Standard Time,

annie_pope@... writes: