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Dear ,

" The Deepwell Tapes " just sounded like a take-off on " The Screw-Tape

Letters " to me (the latter of course being basically a RCC tract).

Maybe it wasn't.

Regards,

Dan Watkins

> >

> > Dear Jung-Fire Friends,

> >

> >

> >

> > Below is an excerpt from a forthcoming book in progress by Marc

Bregman,

> > with Sue Scavo, entitled " The Deep Well Tapes - Sex, Trauma and

> Conjunctio. "

> > It touched me in a powerful way and I hope some of you resonate

with it

> > also.

> >

> >

> >

> > Marc's previous books, " The Deep Well Tapes " with Sue Scavo and

> Ellen Keene,

> > and " The Secret of the Pomegranate " with Sue Scavo, can be

purchased at

> > www.amazon.com, as can Rodger Kamenetz' " The History of Last Night's

> Dream. "

> > I recommend them to you and I invite your comments on this profoundly

> > touching excerpt.

> >

> >

> >

> > Love,

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Choosing Victimization or Choosing Responsibility

> >

> > The reason we turn to people rather than the Divine is that people

> always

> > disappoint us and it always justifies our victimization. It is

like the

> > Darwinian theory of evolution. There is always something to fulfill

> the need

> > for something else.

> >

> > For example, there was a flower discovered in Brazil where the

> throat of the

> > flower that contained the stamen was incredibly deep. The only way

> to reach

> > the stamen was for a creature with an incredibly long nose or beak or

> > tongue, a creature that had never been seen before. Scientists

> filmed the

> > flower, which only bloomed at night, for months while it waited for

> > something to come. And something did come. An insect that had

never been

> > seen before. This creature had a rolled up tongue that when unfurled

> was 8

> > inches long. It landed on the flower, unfurled its tongue and

> fertilized the

> > flower. It is a miracle of nature - build it and something will come.

> >

> > If we are victims, we will look for someone to victimize us. If we

are a

> > lover, we will look for someone to be our lover. Whatever we are, we

> will

> > get exactly that back.

> >

> > Only the child self wants the love. Anything that is not the child

> self will

> > want to be abused or want to find someone who will reflect and support

> > whatever it is that we have become. If we are not the core of who we

> are,

> > that what comes is going to be malignant. Whatever we think we want,

> if it

> > does not come from the core of ourselves, it is not going to be

> right for

> > us. We can then, of course, blame it for not being right, but really

> we are

> > not right. Because we are not right, we are attracted to what is not

> really

> > right.

> >

> > It is very difficult to differentiate and know ourselves enough to

> know when

> > we are choosing something away from our core selves. Normally, we

> believe

> > that everything is okay and we are okay and that the problem is that

> we have

> > idiots around us. But actually, there is a great deal of beauty

> around us.

> >

> > If we are the beauty, then we find the beauty. If we do not find the

> beauty,

> > it is because we are not deep enough in ourselves. If we do not find

> God, it

> > is because we are not the soul that can receive God. Instead of

> standing in

> > the truth of this, it is easier to say that we have a soul but that

> there is

> > no God to receive and there is no love. Then the fix is in and we

> are left

> > bereft. There is no way to win unless we find our soul, unless we

> find the

> > part of us that is open and vulnerable and waiting to receive.

> >

> > If we are bereft, we always get the worst out of the relationship

rather

> > than the best. We get what we are. If we want more out of people, we

> have to

> > get more out of ourselves. The limitation of our own self-awareness

> becomes

> > what we do not see in others. Often people we choose have nothing to

> give to

> > us. When people do have something to give us, we do not get it

> because we

> > are not able to see it nor are we able to receive or even be open to

> receive

> > it.

> >

> > We may find that there is a great deal more love in this world than we

> > realize. What a tragedy that because of our own unawareness of the

> parts of

> > ourselves that could receive the love, if only we were awake to the

> love, we

> > do not receive the love.

> >

> > It is always right in front of us but we are not showing up to

> receive it.

> > Once we open to ourselves and have the Divine connection, many

> things that

> > appear not so good become wonderful. The problem becomes less a

> problem and

> > we see the beauty behind the problem. It is as of all we see is the

> shadow

> > cast by the earth on the moon that creates the eclipse, never

seeing the

> > light. Or the eclipse of the sun. The shadow of the moon when it

passes

> > between the earth and the sun at just the right angle darkens the

> sun, but

> > the sun is always there.

> >

>

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Dear Dan and Jung Fire Friends,

I suggest you look at the descriptions of the Deep Well books by

Marc Bregman with Ellen Keene and Sue Scavo on www.amazon.com.

I will send you another excerpt on a different topic within the next day or

two. And have a look at Rodger Kamanetz’ “The History of Last Night’s Dream,”

also available through Amazon.

Love,

Burmeister

(fax)

(cell)

(home)

From:

JUNG-FIRE [mailto:JUNG-FIRE ] On Behalf Of dwatkins5qwestnet

Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 5:29 PM

To: JUNG-FIRE

Subject: Re: Blame and Victimization

Dear ,

" The Deepwell Tapes " just sounded like a take-off on " The

Screw-Tape

Letters " to me (the latter of course being basically a RCC tract).

Maybe it wasn't.

Regards,

Dan Watkins

> >

> > Dear Jung-Fire Friends,

> >

> >

> >

> > Below is an excerpt from a forthcoming book in progress by Marc

Bregman,

> > with Sue Scavo, entitled " The Deep Well Tapes - Sex, Trauma and

> Conjunctio. "

> > It touched me in a powerful way and I hope some of you resonate

with it

> > also.

> >

> >

> >

> > Marc's previous books, " The Deep Well Tapes " with Sue Scavo

and

> Ellen Keene,

> > and " The Secret of the Pomegranate " with Sue Scavo, can be

purchased at

> > www.amazon.com, as can Rodger Kamenetz' " The History of Last

Night's

> Dream. "

> > I recommend them to you and I invite your comments on this profoundly

> > touching excerpt.

> >

> >

> >

> > Love,

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Choosing Victimization or Choosing Responsibility

> >

> > The reason we turn to people rather than the Divine is that people

> always

> > disappoint us and it always justifies our victimization. It is

like the

> > Darwinian theory of evolution. There is always something to fulfill

> the need

> > for something else.

> >

> > For example, there was a flower discovered in Brazil where the

> throat of the

> > flower that contained the stamen was incredibly deep. The only way

> to reach

> > the stamen was for a creature with an incredibly long nose or beak or

> > tongue, a creature that had never been seen before. Scientists

> filmed the

> > flower, which only bloomed at night, for months while it waited for

> > something to come. And something did come. An insect that had

never been

> > seen before. This creature had a rolled up tongue that when unfurled

> was 8

> > inches long. It landed on the flower, unfurled its tongue and

> fertilized the

> > flower. It is a miracle of nature - build it and something will come.

> >

> > If we are victims, we will look for someone to victimize us. If we

are a

> > lover, we will look for someone to be our lover. Whatever we are, we

> will

> > get exactly that back.

> >

> > Only the child self wants the love. Anything that is not the child

> self will

> > want to be abused or want to find someone who will reflect and

support

> > whatever it is that we have become. If we are not the core of who we

> are,

> > that what comes is going to be malignant. Whatever we think we want,

> if it

> > does not come from the core of ourselves, it is not going to be

> right for

> > us. We can then, of course, blame it for not being right, but really

> we are

> > not right. Because we are not right, we are attracted to what is not

> really

> > right.

> >

> > It is very difficult to differentiate and know ourselves enough to

> know when

> > we are choosing something away from our core selves. Normally, we

> believe

> > that everything is okay and we are okay and that the problem is that

> we have

> > idiots around us. But actually, there is a great deal of beauty

> around us.

> >

> > If we are the beauty, then we find the beauty. If we do not find the

> beauty,

> > it is because we are not deep enough in ourselves. If we do not find

> God, it

> > is because we are not the soul that can receive God. Instead of

> standing in

> > the truth of this, it is easier to say that we have a soul but that

> there is

> > no God to receive and there is no love. Then the fix is in and we

> are left

> > bereft. There is no way to win unless we find our soul, unless we

> find the

> > part of us that is open and vulnerable and waiting to receive.

> >

> > If we are bereft, we always get the worst out of the relationship

rather

> > than the best. We get what we are. If we want more out of people, we

> have to

> > get more out of ourselves. The limitation of our own self-awareness

> becomes

> > what we do not see in others. Often people we choose have nothing to

> give to

> > us. When people do have something to give us, we do not get it

> because we

> > are not able to see it nor are we able to receive or even be open to

> receive

> > it.

> >

> > We may find that there is a great deal more love in this world than

we

> > realize. What a tragedy that because of our own unawareness of the

> parts of

> > ourselves that could receive the love, if only we were awake to the

> love, we

> > do not receive the love.

> >

> > It is always right in front of us but we are not showing up to

> receive it.

> > Once we open to ourselves and have the Divine connection, many

> things that

> > appear not so good become wonderful. The problem becomes less a

> problem and

> > we see the beauty behind the problem. It is as of all we see is the

> shadow

> > cast by the earth on the moon that creates the eclipse, never

seeing the

> > light. Or the eclipse of the sun. The shadow of the moon when it

passes

> > between the earth and the sun at just the right angle darkens the

> sun, but

> > the sun is always there.

> >

>

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