Guest guest Posted January 18, 2008 Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 Dear , " The Deepwell Tapes " just sounded like a take-off on " The Screw-Tape Letters " to me (the latter of course being basically a RCC tract). Maybe it wasn't. Regards, Dan Watkins > > > > Dear Jung-Fire Friends, > > > > > > > > Below is an excerpt from a forthcoming book in progress by Marc Bregman, > > with Sue Scavo, entitled " The Deep Well Tapes - Sex, Trauma and > Conjunctio. " > > It touched me in a powerful way and I hope some of you resonate with it > > also. > > > > > > > > Marc's previous books, " The Deep Well Tapes " with Sue Scavo and > Ellen Keene, > > and " The Secret of the Pomegranate " with Sue Scavo, can be purchased at > > www.amazon.com, as can Rodger Kamenetz' " The History of Last Night's > Dream. " > > I recommend them to you and I invite your comments on this profoundly > > touching excerpt. > > > > > > > > Love, > > > > > > > > > > > > Choosing Victimization or Choosing Responsibility > > > > The reason we turn to people rather than the Divine is that people > always > > disappoint us and it always justifies our victimization. It is like the > > Darwinian theory of evolution. There is always something to fulfill > the need > > for something else. > > > > For example, there was a flower discovered in Brazil where the > throat of the > > flower that contained the stamen was incredibly deep. The only way > to reach > > the stamen was for a creature with an incredibly long nose or beak or > > tongue, a creature that had never been seen before. Scientists > filmed the > > flower, which only bloomed at night, for months while it waited for > > something to come. And something did come. An insect that had never been > > seen before. This creature had a rolled up tongue that when unfurled > was 8 > > inches long. It landed on the flower, unfurled its tongue and > fertilized the > > flower. It is a miracle of nature - build it and something will come. > > > > If we are victims, we will look for someone to victimize us. If we are a > > lover, we will look for someone to be our lover. Whatever we are, we > will > > get exactly that back. > > > > Only the child self wants the love. Anything that is not the child > self will > > want to be abused or want to find someone who will reflect and support > > whatever it is that we have become. If we are not the core of who we > are, > > that what comes is going to be malignant. Whatever we think we want, > if it > > does not come from the core of ourselves, it is not going to be > right for > > us. We can then, of course, blame it for not being right, but really > we are > > not right. Because we are not right, we are attracted to what is not > really > > right. > > > > It is very difficult to differentiate and know ourselves enough to > know when > > we are choosing something away from our core selves. Normally, we > believe > > that everything is okay and we are okay and that the problem is that > we have > > idiots around us. But actually, there is a great deal of beauty > around us. > > > > If we are the beauty, then we find the beauty. If we do not find the > beauty, > > it is because we are not deep enough in ourselves. If we do not find > God, it > > is because we are not the soul that can receive God. Instead of > standing in > > the truth of this, it is easier to say that we have a soul but that > there is > > no God to receive and there is no love. Then the fix is in and we > are left > > bereft. There is no way to win unless we find our soul, unless we > find the > > part of us that is open and vulnerable and waiting to receive. > > > > If we are bereft, we always get the worst out of the relationship rather > > than the best. We get what we are. If we want more out of people, we > have to > > get more out of ourselves. The limitation of our own self-awareness > becomes > > what we do not see in others. Often people we choose have nothing to > give to > > us. When people do have something to give us, we do not get it > because we > > are not able to see it nor are we able to receive or even be open to > receive > > it. > > > > We may find that there is a great deal more love in this world than we > > realize. What a tragedy that because of our own unawareness of the > parts of > > ourselves that could receive the love, if only we were awake to the > love, we > > do not receive the love. > > > > It is always right in front of us but we are not showing up to > receive it. > > Once we open to ourselves and have the Divine connection, many > things that > > appear not so good become wonderful. The problem becomes less a > problem and > > we see the beauty behind the problem. It is as of all we see is the > shadow > > cast by the earth on the moon that creates the eclipse, never seeing the > > light. Or the eclipse of the sun. The shadow of the moon when it passes > > between the earth and the sun at just the right angle darkens the > sun, but > > the sun is always there. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2008 Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 Dear Dan and Jung Fire Friends, I suggest you look at the descriptions of the Deep Well books by Marc Bregman with Ellen Keene and Sue Scavo on www.amazon.com. I will send you another excerpt on a different topic within the next day or two. And have a look at Rodger Kamanetz’ “The History of Last Night’s Dream,” also available through Amazon. Love, Burmeister (fax) (cell) (home) From: JUNG-FIRE [mailto:JUNG-FIRE ] On Behalf Of dwatkins5qwestnet Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 5:29 PM To: JUNG-FIRE Subject: Re: Blame and Victimization Dear , " The Deepwell Tapes " just sounded like a take-off on " The Screw-Tape Letters " to me (the latter of course being basically a RCC tract). Maybe it wasn't. Regards, Dan Watkins > > > > Dear Jung-Fire Friends, > > > > > > > > Below is an excerpt from a forthcoming book in progress by Marc Bregman, > > with Sue Scavo, entitled " The Deep Well Tapes - Sex, Trauma and > Conjunctio. " > > It touched me in a powerful way and I hope some of you resonate with it > > also. > > > > > > > > Marc's previous books, " The Deep Well Tapes " with Sue Scavo and > Ellen Keene, > > and " The Secret of the Pomegranate " with Sue Scavo, can be purchased at > > www.amazon.com, as can Rodger Kamenetz' " The History of Last Night's > Dream. " > > I recommend them to you and I invite your comments on this profoundly > > touching excerpt. > > > > > > > > Love, > > > > > > > > > > > > Choosing Victimization or Choosing Responsibility > > > > The reason we turn to people rather than the Divine is that people > always > > disappoint us and it always justifies our victimization. It is like the > > Darwinian theory of evolution. There is always something to fulfill > the need > > for something else. > > > > For example, there was a flower discovered in Brazil where the > throat of the > > flower that contained the stamen was incredibly deep. The only way > to reach > > the stamen was for a creature with an incredibly long nose or beak or > > tongue, a creature that had never been seen before. Scientists > filmed the > > flower, which only bloomed at night, for months while it waited for > > something to come. And something did come. An insect that had never been > > seen before. This creature had a rolled up tongue that when unfurled > was 8 > > inches long. It landed on the flower, unfurled its tongue and > fertilized the > > flower. It is a miracle of nature - build it and something will come. > > > > If we are victims, we will look for someone to victimize us. If we are a > > lover, we will look for someone to be our lover. Whatever we are, we > will > > get exactly that back. > > > > Only the child self wants the love. Anything that is not the child > self will > > want to be abused or want to find someone who will reflect and support > > whatever it is that we have become. If we are not the core of who we > are, > > that what comes is going to be malignant. Whatever we think we want, > if it > > does not come from the core of ourselves, it is not going to be > right for > > us. We can then, of course, blame it for not being right, but really > we are > > not right. Because we are not right, we are attracted to what is not > really > > right. > > > > It is very difficult to differentiate and know ourselves enough to > know when > > we are choosing something away from our core selves. Normally, we > believe > > that everything is okay and we are okay and that the problem is that > we have > > idiots around us. But actually, there is a great deal of beauty > around us. > > > > If we are the beauty, then we find the beauty. If we do not find the > beauty, > > it is because we are not deep enough in ourselves. If we do not find > God, it > > is because we are not the soul that can receive God. Instead of > standing in > > the truth of this, it is easier to say that we have a soul but that > there is > > no God to receive and there is no love. Then the fix is in and we > are left > > bereft. There is no way to win unless we find our soul, unless we > find the > > part of us that is open and vulnerable and waiting to receive. > > > > If we are bereft, we always get the worst out of the relationship rather > > than the best. We get what we are. If we want more out of people, we > have to > > get more out of ourselves. The limitation of our own self-awareness > becomes > > what we do not see in others. Often people we choose have nothing to > give to > > us. When people do have something to give us, we do not get it > because we > > are not able to see it nor are we able to receive or even be open to > receive > > it. > > > > We may find that there is a great deal more love in this world than we > > realize. What a tragedy that because of our own unawareness of the > parts of > > ourselves that could receive the love, if only we were awake to the > love, we > > do not receive the love. > > > > It is always right in front of us but we are not showing up to > receive it. > > Once we open to ourselves and have the Divine connection, many > things that > > appear not so good become wonderful. The problem becomes less a > problem and > > we see the beauty behind the problem. It is as of all we see is the > shadow > > cast by the earth on the moon that creates the eclipse, never seeing the > > light. Or the eclipse of the sun. The shadow of the moon when it passes > > between the earth and the sun at just the right angle darkens the > sun, but > > the sun is always there. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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