Re: Sorry Group (to Zissy)

[Guest guest]

>SUSIE IS AN ADVOCATE OF NO

>CARB!!!!!>

***No, Zizzy, she is not. If you would read what is said,

instead of jumping into an argument and critisizing everyone, you might

actually understand what is being said.

Barb

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>I USE LOW CARB AND I THINK IT IS WONDERFUL I THINK IT'S NO CARB THAT IS

>THE MISTAKE UNLESS OTHERWISE PRESCRIBED BY YOUR DOCTOR OR DIETICIAN THAT

>IS THE LAST I WILL SAY ON THIS MATTER. SUSIE IS AN ADVOCATE OF NO

>CARB!!!!! THAT IS WRONG UNLESS PRESCRIBED BY A PROFESSIONAL NOT A WANNA

>BE.

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[Guest guest]

I just returned from two days away from the list and was shocked and

surprised to find that a war had started. Zissy, I think you misunderstood.

Susie has NEVER advocated no-carb. She is a respected member of this list

and we all value her insights. She has devoted many many hours to researching

diabetes and passing this information on to us. She has ALWAYS said YMMV. I

think an apology is in order from you to her. There is absolutely no room

for flaming on this list. Many of us consider the people in this group a

family. And up until this whole sorry mess started, it was a helpful,

friendly and supportive group. I hope this will never change. Vicki

In a message dated 00-02-16 17:14:39 EST, you write:

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I USE LOW CARB AND I THINK IT IS WONDERFUL I THINK IT'S NO CARB THAT IS

THE MISTAKE UNLESS OTHERWISE PRESCRIBED BY YOUR DOCTOR OR DIETICIAN THAT

IS THE LAST I WILL SAY ON THIS MATTER. SUSIE IS AN ADVOCATE OF NO

CARB!!!!! THAT IS WRONG UNLESS PRESCRIBED BY A PROFESSIONAL NOT A WANNA

BE.

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[Guest guest]

Zissy...I say this in all love...what works for some will not work for all.

Our battle cry should by YMMV.....for years I ate vegetarian, no fat! I

lost a ton of weight and kept in perfect control! No meds, even! Then

suddenly, my bgs shot up to 13.9 and the stupid doctor let me stay there for

about 4 or 5 years...kept adding one med on top of another and not helping

me at all! I was miserable! Went to a new doc and she immediately put me

on insulin. I felt *mahvelous, dahling!* Cleaned house, cooked for my

spouse, had more energy than I had in years! BUT! Gained 35 pounds in 2

weeks! And all on a 1500 calorie ADA diet with the blessing of my Endo and

CDE. Some of us just can't do it.

Now to Susie KNOW IT ALL...she may not know it all, but she does know a lot

on low carb from lots of research and study. And what she knows, works for

her. It has done a lot for me. (In that it decreased my insulin requirements

which had gotten astronomical, but did not decrease my weight even 1 gram!

In fact, I have gained about 5 pounds more!)

I must have two root canals tomorrow. Haven't been able to chew on either

side lately. Have to have soft food. Have been eating scrambled eggs a lot.

One morning this week, I decided to go back and eat oat bran for breakfast.

What a disaster! My pre-lunch bgs were 279 (after a fbs of 82!)

Never again! However, last night I had a very soft biscuit, softened even

more in white milk gravy and some SF Jell-O (couldn't think of much else!)

(That I wanted anyway) And the fbs this a.m. was 85! So which one was a

fluke? I have no clue. A while back I had lunch out with my kids and the

restaurant had 2 choices: Chicken fried steak or fried chicken...only other

choice was for your drink. (This is a very popular restaurant in North

Texas) Entree was served with home made biscuits, home made mashed

potatoes, home made cream-style corn (sooo fresh...I took a couple of

bites). creamy milk gravy and salad...with dressing already added....no

choice..SURPRISE! I ate all of the above except only a bite of the

potatoes! Next am my fbs was 87! (Still not losing weight, but with food

like that!!!)

There is no rhyme no reason to my results! Some days are diamonds, some days

are stones! with diabetes, anyway! My friend Teri is losing weight and

doing great on ADA...maybe I could do that today, but I am afraid to take a

chance. My son in law lost 35 lbs on low carb....my daughter, over the same

period, lost 15. Who knows what drives each of us....certainly not the

medical profession. They have bombed out for years! That is why there are

so many weight loss plans and WOEs. I went to WW many years ago. I gained

13 pounds! A friend of mine just lost more than 100 pounds! Another

friend...a diabetic...lost more than 100 on ADA...now she is hosting a

recipe list for low carb! Go figure!

No one plan can be made into a god! No one plan meets all needs. I

certainly have no clue. But I am going to be tolerant of all plans and hope

for the best! I fought for years for the ADA...until I felt they were doing

an injustice to a lot of people by forcing their pyramid on all physicians

and CDEs. Now, all I can say with certainty is YMMV! *hugs* Toni

Sorry Group

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> This is a problem between Susie KNOW IT ALL and me not any of the rest

> of you. I know that this was brought up in the group but this is the

> last I will say about it in here. If Susie KNOW IT ALL wishes to carry

> this further then she knows my address and if she keeps bringing it in

> here then needs to handle her and remove her from the group. Zissy

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[Guest guest]

I USE LOW CARB AND I THINK IT IS WONDERFUL I THINK IT'S NO CARB THAT IS

THE MISTAKE UNLESS OTHERWISE PRESCRIBED BY YOUR DOCTOR OR DIETICIAN THAT

IS THE LAST I WILL SAY ON THIS MATTER. SUSIE IS AN ADVOCATE OF NO

CARB!!!!! THAT IS WRONG UNLESS PRESCRIBED BY A PROFESSIONAL NOT A WANNA

BE.

[Guest guest]

Zissy wrote:

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> I USE LOW CARB AND I THINK IT IS WONDERFUL I THINK IT'S NO CARB THAT IS

> THE MISTAKE UNLESS OTHERWISE PRESCRIBED BY YOUR DOCTOR OR DIETICIAN THAT

> IS THE LAST I WILL SAY ON THIS MATTER. SUSIE IS AN ADVOCATE OF NO

> CARB!!!!! THAT IS WRONG UNLESS PRESCRIBED BY A PROFESSIONAL NOT A WANNA

> BE.

Your statement about Susie being an advocate of " no carb " is baseless.

--

Dave -- Wednesday, February 16, 2000

dorcutt@...

t2 8/98 Glucophage & Aspartame

ICQ 10312009

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DavOr's daily aphorism:

Even a hawk is an eagle among crows.

[Guest guest]

Zissy wrote:

<< I USE LOW CARB AND I THINK IT IS WONDERFUL I THINK IT'S NO CARB THAT IS

THE MISTAKE UNLESS OTHERWISE PRESCRIBED BY YOUR DOCTOR OR DIETICIAN THAT

IS THE LAST I WILL SAY ON THIS MATTER. SUSIE IS AN ADVOCATE OF NO

CARB!!!!! THAT IS WRONG UNLESS PRESCRIBED BY A PROFESSIONAL NOT A WANNA

BE. >>

Zissy, you're a troll, aren't you?

Susie

[Guest guest]

I got no message. Toni

Re: Sorry Group (to Zissy)

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[Guest guest]

AMEN!, Vicki! I am with you 110% *hugs* Toni

Re: Sorry Group (to Zissy)

> From: WHIMSY2@...

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> I just returned from two days away from the list and was shocked and

> surprised to find that a war had started. Zissy, I think you

misunderstood.

> Susie has NEVER advocated no-carb. She is a respected member of this list

> and we all value her insights. She has devoted many many hours to

researching

> diabetes and passing this information on to us. She has ALWAYS said YMMV.

I

> think an apology is in order from you to her. There is absolutely no room

> for flaming on this list. Many of us consider the people in this group a

> family. And up until this whole sorry mess started, it was a helpful,

> friendly and supportive group. I hope this will never change. Vicki

>

>

> In a message dated 00-02-16 17:14:39 EST, you write:

>

> <<

> I USE LOW CARB AND I THINK IT IS WONDERFUL I THINK IT'S NO CARB THAT IS

> THE MISTAKE UNLESS OTHERWISE PRESCRIBED BY YOUR DOCTOR OR DIETICIAN THAT

> IS THE LAST I WILL SAY ON THIS MATTER. SUSIE IS AN ADVOCATE OF NO

> CARB!!!!! THAT IS WRONG UNLESS PRESCRIBED BY A PROFESSIONAL NOT A WANNA

> BE.

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