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Hi ,

Thanks for the welcome! Yeah, sometimes I feel like I must've drawn the short

straw in life, lol. My younger sister also has CP (but not RA) and is

mentally impaired... our family is one of three in the US that we know of where

there

were two singleton births that resulted in CP, as CP is not a genetic

disease. So we are a collectively unusual bad luck magnet! :)

I live near Atlanta and was a student at Oxford College of Emory University

from August of '98 to February of '99. I've thought off and on about contacting

the ACLU and I may still do that when I have a little more energy... I got a

" neener neener, your statute of limitations has expired and you can't sue us

now... " letter from Emory back in 2000 (I really wish I was kidding!), so I

think the lawsuit avenue is probably closed by now, but I *would* like the

illegal $5000 loan I was forced into signing without a co-signer or a witness,

for a

semester I didn't end up attending, taken off my credit record. Emory is a

pretty big fish to go after, and I'm just going to have a lot of fortitude

before I chase them down.

I very much appreciate the advice and good thoughts/prayers!

Meg

P.S. Just realized in my original mail I wrote that I was taking 15 *ccs* of

mtx... it's 15 *mg* obviously! I had ccs on the brain cause I had to have the

rheumy re-write the script... a story in and of itself... ;)

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Hi ,

Thanks for the welcome! Yeah, sometimes I feel like I must've drawn the short

straw in life, lol. My younger sister also has CP (but not RA) and is

mentally impaired... our family is one of three in the US that we know of where

there

were two singleton births that resulted in CP, as CP is not a genetic

disease. So we are a collectively unusual bad luck magnet! :)

I live near Atlanta and was a student at Oxford College of Emory University

from August of '98 to February of '99. I've thought off and on about contacting

the ACLU and I may still do that when I have a little more energy... I got a

" neener neener, your statute of limitations has expired and you can't sue us

now... " letter from Emory back in 2000 (I really wish I was kidding!), so I

think the lawsuit avenue is probably closed by now, but I *would* like the

illegal $5000 loan I was forced into signing without a co-signer or a witness,

for a

semester I didn't end up attending, taken off my credit record. Emory is a

pretty big fish to go after, and I'm just going to have a lot of fortitude

before I chase them down.

I very much appreciate the advice and good thoughts/prayers!

Meg

P.S. Just realized in my original mail I wrote that I was taking 15 *ccs* of

mtx... it's 15 *mg* obviously! I had ccs on the brain cause I had to have the

rheumy re-write the script... a story in and of itself... ;)

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DEAR MEG, WELCOME TO THE GROUP FIRST OF ALL, I AM SO SORRY THAT

YOU'VE HAD SUCH A PAINFUL LIFE MY GOD YOU ARE JUST A BABY, I FEEL SO

BAD FOR YOU. WHERE DO YOU LIVE? HOW LONG AGO WERE YOU IN COLLEGE?

YOU KNOW THERE IS A PLACE WERE YOU CAN GO FOR LEGAL HELP IT'S CALLED

THE ACLU, IF THAT COLLEGE IS NOT ACCOMMADATING TO DISABLE STUDENTS

THE ACLU CAN SET THEM STRAIGHT. YOU MIGHT STILL BE ABLE TO SUE THEM

YOURSELF AND NOW THAT YOUR PAIN IS NOT AS BAD, YOU COULD SPEND AN

AFTERNOON FINDING OUT ALL THEY CAN SAY IS NO AND YOU WOULD NOT LOOSE

ANYTHING AND YOU MIGHT GAIN SOME $$$ FOR YOU AND YOUR MOM. ANYWAYS

JUST THINK ABOUT IT.

I WILL KEEP THINKING ABOUT YOU AND I WILL PRAY THAT YOU CAN HAVE

BETTER DAYS AHEAD OF YOU, GOD BLESS ~ROSA~

> Hi everyone!

>

> I've only been lurking here for a day or two so I don't have much

of a feel

> for things here just yet, and I hope I'm not breaking with list

etiquette by

> posting before I've gotten my bearings - I'm just so glad to have

found a great

> support list!

>

> My name is Meg and I'm 22. I was officially diagnosed with RA on

July 29th...

> but in some ways, that's putting the end of the story before the

beginning.

> I'm looking for some advice/input about what's happened to me and

where I

> should be headed, so I hope you all don't mind quite a few details

about me. :)

>

> I have moderate spastic diplegic cerebral palsy and asthma. I use

a manual

> wheelchair to get around outside the house, and walk independently

inside

> (hanging onto a few things here and there). I've dealt with

chronic pain my whole

> life, have very poor circulation in my extremities and my general

stamina has

> always been less than that of my peers.

>

> When I was 14, I got a mysterious case of pneumonia that blew up

out of

> nowhere and came within about an hour of killing me - so said my

docs at the time.

> The eventual diagnosis, and it was largely one of exclusion, was

that I'd

> encountered some kind of mycoplasma. The first incident caused a

good deal of lung

> damage and my stamina took a huge hit. I remain prone to pneumonia

to this

> day, although the first four years after the initial incident were

the worst

> (about every 3 months, I would be hospitalized or nearly so). To

this day it's

> debatable whether I've ever completely gotten rid of that nasty

little bug.

>

> Not too long after the first bout with pneumonia, my feet began to

hurt

> whenever I stood for more than a minute or so. I have pins still

in my feet from a

> reconstructive foot surgery when I was 12, so I assumed it was the

fact that I

> had big metal spikes in my feet. :) Nothing else ever crossed my

mind...

>

> Also from that point, my fatigue was almost constant. Just going

to school

> wiped me out, and I started napping every afternoon. I was tested

for

> *everything* - anemia, mono, etc... everything but RA. Again, RA

never crossed my

> mind...

>

> I graduated and went to college at age 16 (fall of 98). The campus

was not as

> accessible as I'd been led to believe, the staff were anything but

> accommodating, the campus was nothing but hills, and I was very

quickly extremely ill

> and exhausted beyond belief. My grades started to slip, the

administration

> panicked because they thought I might sue, and... long story

short, I was forced

> out. (I'm well aware that's illegal. Almost immediately after I

had to leave

> school, my parents went through a very acrimonious divorce and we

ran out of

> money to pay lawyers. Then my mom lost her job [and therefore our

health

> insurance] and was unemployed for a year and a half... we had our

van repossessed, a

> tree fall on the house, and the house repossessed. School - and

unfortunately,

> my health - has been taking a backseat to trying to keep a roof

over our heads

> and food on the table.)

>

> During all of these lovely festivities, I noticed my stamina

plunging even

> further and my overall pain levels increasing. At first I

attributed it to

> depression (which I'm very prone to). When the winter of 2002

found me spending 15+

> hours curled up on my waterbed and crying from the pain, I started

doing some

> research and found that people with CP are prone to advanced joint

> deterioration due to the " wrong " ways we move. I assumed I'd

solved the mystery and

> resigned myself to living with the pain and, eventually, on mild

narcotics like a

> lot of my 20-something friends with CP.

>

> Meanwhile I was battling with Medicaid to try to get insurance

coverage

> again... I had already qualified due to my disability, but typical

government mind

> games were prevailing as far as my actually getting the all-

important card in

> hand, and I was getting mentally and emotionally worn out, with

all the other

> stress around.

>

> In February, I tripped and fell - not an unusual occurrence, but I

> over-corrected on the way down and landed hard on my left

shoulder. It was incredibly

> painful for about two weeks, and then seemed to be healing... and

then seemed to

> get worse again. By mid-March I was losing range of motion. I got

Medicaid

> sorted out and it took another month to find a doc who would take

Medicaid (yay

> for state budget cuts!). I finally got an appointment for June.

>

> It was about late April when the pain exploded. My feet hurt all

the time, my

> knees and hips hurt and felt " frozen, " my shoulder was killing me

(and then

> the *right* shoulder started hurting almost as bad as the left).

One night I

> took some notes on a post-it note and went to bed. When I got up

the next

> morning, my right hand was twice as big as my right. I began to

have trouble getting

> out of bed, and spent as much time as possible in my chair, even

in the

> house.

>

> The GP I went to see was nice but not altogether with it. She

decided none of

> my joints were hot, discolored or swollen, and that I had " general

arthralgia

> due to CP, " and basically told me to take some naproxen and suck

it up. She

> did, thank God, run a few blood tests. My sed rate and a few other

things came

> back slightly elevated so I was referred to rheumatology, whose

soonest

> appointment was a month and a half later.

>

> The time between appointments was a complete hell. I was taking

flat out

> *dangerous* amounts of OTC NSAIDs with no effect. I called the GP

back after a

> week and begged for something stronger. I got diclofenac, which

was equally as

> pointless. I called back again after another week and told her I

could no longer

> stand up or go to the bathroom on my own and was in excruciating

pain and

> could I please have something, anything... she told me, in

essence, " tell it to

> the rheumatologist. "

>

> In desperation I once resorted to taking a leftover percocet...

which did no

> good, either. I think that's when I *really* got scared. By the

time my

> rheumatology appointment rolled around I had vitually no use of

any part of my body.

> My mom had to lift me out of bed in the morning and pray that I'd

be okay all

> day while she was at work... I couldn't bear weight, couldn't

move my arms

> or legs, couldn't grip anything or make a fist... most of my

joints were huge

> and purple. In retropect I should have gone to the ER - I think

that's what

> you're supposed to do when the pain is so bad you're screaming at

the top of your

> lungs and you don't even realize it, lol - but I was so mentally

not-with-it,

> and mom was so stunned, I think, that we were tunnelvisioned on

the rheumy

> appointment.

>

> Fortunately my rheumatologist is *awesome*. She started me on

methotrexate,

> prednisone, folic acid, lasix and potassium (I too, have extreme

swelling and

> itchiness in my legs and feet. Is that an RA " thing, " a general

auto-immune

> " thing, " or just a general weirdness.... thing?).

>

> My bloodwork came back with a sed rate of 90 and I had a high RF

titer...

> don't remember how high now. I had a really horrible reaction to

the pill form of

> mtx - 7 full days of extreme nausea and fatigue - so after two

weeks of that,

> my rheumy switched me to the injectable form. Due to insurance

issues

> (again), I was just *finally* able to make the switch this past

Friday, with good

> results.... no problems with the injection itself, and the side

effects are much

> improved.

>

> At this point, I'm on 15ccs mtx, 12.5mg pred, 2.2mg Folgard, 40mg

lasix, and

> 20mcg potassium. My swelling and discoloration is largely gone,

and I'm back

> to gimping around my house where necessary. ;) I've not been

prescribed

> anything for pain, but my pain is largely controlled I suppose...

although

> considering how *much* pain I was in not so long ago I guess

that's all relative. I'm

> still sore and stiff most of the time... it's hard to tell what's

RA stiffness

> and what's CP spasticity that's being aggravated due to RA

stiffness/pain.

> This is also something my rheumatologist is trying to figure

out... we're having

> a lot of trouble trying to figure out exactly what my baseline is,

because as

> I'm sure you've deduced by now, I now think the emergence of the

RA can be

> traced back at *least* as far as college, and maybe as far as my

first bout with

> pneumonia (the latter theory is underscored by the fact that my

feet don't

> hurt hardly at all anymore, for the first time in about 8 years).

>

> I have promised my doc that if my shoulder is not pain-free by my

next

> appointment, I'm to let her inject it. I'm not thrilled about the

idea, but I *need*

> my arms. The legs have never worked all that great ;) but my arms

are not

> expendable, so I'll do whatever it takes.

>

> My latest pred taper, from 15mg to 12.5 mg this week, isn't going

so well -

> I'm having a lot more pain and stiffness and will probably have to

call my doc

> ahead of schedule to ask what she wants me to do. Is it " normal "

to have some

> trouble working down off the pred after your first major flare? I

know the

> reason my doc hasn't given me anything for pain control is because

she's trying

> to get an idea of how well the other meds are working first

(again, because of

> the CP complicating matters and because it's so hard for me to

even *remember*

> when I was last pain-free).

>

> My next visit will be on September 23, about two months from my

initial

> visit... time to ask about something specifically for pain

control? I know some of

> the fatigue is RA related and some is MTX related, but is there

anything at

> all that can be *done* about it? I've been having depression,

anxiety, panic

> attacks, insomnia and PTSD (tree falling on the house and van repo

at 3:30 am

> will do that) for a few years now and was recently referred to

mental health,

> which I still need to make an appt for... I plan to ask the rheumy

about this,

> but is there anything I should know vis-à-vis RA/RA meds and

potential

> interactions with the various meds that I might be prescribed to

get this other stuff

> under control? Does one ever get used to this " yesterday was

almost normal and

> today I've been hit by a truck " see-saw? Has anyone had any

experience or

> have any info about a possible RA/mycoplasma connection? Can

anyone tell I was

> med school bound once upon a time? ;)

>

> Apologies for going on at such great length. Looking forward to

getting to

> know you all, and I hope everyone is either doing well or headed

in the right

> direction.

>

> Meg

>

> ----

>

> " Writers aren't exactly people... they're a whole lot of people

trying to be

> one person. " - F. Fitzgerald

>

> " I've got a silly walk, and I'd like to obtain a government grant

to help me

> develop it. " - Monty Python

>

> " There are times when you can do nothing, but you must still cry

out against

> injustice. Even the very stones will cry out if you do not... " -

Bayard Rustin

>

>

>

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DEAR MEG, WELCOME TO THE GROUP FIRST OF ALL, I AM SO SORRY THAT

YOU'VE HAD SUCH A PAINFUL LIFE MY GOD YOU ARE JUST A BABY, I FEEL SO

BAD FOR YOU. WHERE DO YOU LIVE? HOW LONG AGO WERE YOU IN COLLEGE?

YOU KNOW THERE IS A PLACE WERE YOU CAN GO FOR LEGAL HELP IT'S CALLED

THE ACLU, IF THAT COLLEGE IS NOT ACCOMMADATING TO DISABLE STUDENTS

THE ACLU CAN SET THEM STRAIGHT. YOU MIGHT STILL BE ABLE TO SUE THEM

YOURSELF AND NOW THAT YOUR PAIN IS NOT AS BAD, YOU COULD SPEND AN

AFTERNOON FINDING OUT ALL THEY CAN SAY IS NO AND YOU WOULD NOT LOOSE

ANYTHING AND YOU MIGHT GAIN SOME $$$ FOR YOU AND YOUR MOM. ANYWAYS

JUST THINK ABOUT IT.

I WILL KEEP THINKING ABOUT YOU AND I WILL PRAY THAT YOU CAN HAVE

BETTER DAYS AHEAD OF YOU, GOD BLESS ~ROSA~

> Hi everyone!

>

> I've only been lurking here for a day or two so I don't have much

of a feel

> for things here just yet, and I hope I'm not breaking with list

etiquette by

> posting before I've gotten my bearings - I'm just so glad to have

found a great

> support list!

>

> My name is Meg and I'm 22. I was officially diagnosed with RA on

July 29th...

> but in some ways, that's putting the end of the story before the

beginning.

> I'm looking for some advice/input about what's happened to me and

where I

> should be headed, so I hope you all don't mind quite a few details

about me. :)

>

> I have moderate spastic diplegic cerebral palsy and asthma. I use

a manual

> wheelchair to get around outside the house, and walk independently

inside

> (hanging onto a few things here and there). I've dealt with

chronic pain my whole

> life, have very poor circulation in my extremities and my general

stamina has

> always been less than that of my peers.

>

> When I was 14, I got a mysterious case of pneumonia that blew up

out of

> nowhere and came within about an hour of killing me - so said my

docs at the time.

> The eventual diagnosis, and it was largely one of exclusion, was

that I'd

> encountered some kind of mycoplasma. The first incident caused a

good deal of lung

> damage and my stamina took a huge hit. I remain prone to pneumonia

to this

> day, although the first four years after the initial incident were

the worst

> (about every 3 months, I would be hospitalized or nearly so). To

this day it's

> debatable whether I've ever completely gotten rid of that nasty

little bug.

>

> Not too long after the first bout with pneumonia, my feet began to

hurt

> whenever I stood for more than a minute or so. I have pins still

in my feet from a

> reconstructive foot surgery when I was 12, so I assumed it was the

fact that I

> had big metal spikes in my feet. :) Nothing else ever crossed my

mind...

>

> Also from that point, my fatigue was almost constant. Just going

to school

> wiped me out, and I started napping every afternoon. I was tested

for

> *everything* - anemia, mono, etc... everything but RA. Again, RA

never crossed my

> mind...

>

> I graduated and went to college at age 16 (fall of 98). The campus

was not as

> accessible as I'd been led to believe, the staff were anything but

> accommodating, the campus was nothing but hills, and I was very

quickly extremely ill

> and exhausted beyond belief. My grades started to slip, the

administration

> panicked because they thought I might sue, and... long story

short, I was forced

> out. (I'm well aware that's illegal. Almost immediately after I

had to leave

> school, my parents went through a very acrimonious divorce and we

ran out of

> money to pay lawyers. Then my mom lost her job [and therefore our

health

> insurance] and was unemployed for a year and a half... we had our

van repossessed, a

> tree fall on the house, and the house repossessed. School - and

unfortunately,

> my health - has been taking a backseat to trying to keep a roof

over our heads

> and food on the table.)

>

> During all of these lovely festivities, I noticed my stamina

plunging even

> further and my overall pain levels increasing. At first I

attributed it to

> depression (which I'm very prone to). When the winter of 2002

found me spending 15+

> hours curled up on my waterbed and crying from the pain, I started

doing some

> research and found that people with CP are prone to advanced joint

> deterioration due to the " wrong " ways we move. I assumed I'd

solved the mystery and

> resigned myself to living with the pain and, eventually, on mild

narcotics like a

> lot of my 20-something friends with CP.

>

> Meanwhile I was battling with Medicaid to try to get insurance

coverage

> again... I had already qualified due to my disability, but typical

government mind

> games were prevailing as far as my actually getting the all-

important card in

> hand, and I was getting mentally and emotionally worn out, with

all the other

> stress around.

>

> In February, I tripped and fell - not an unusual occurrence, but I

> over-corrected on the way down and landed hard on my left

shoulder. It was incredibly

> painful for about two weeks, and then seemed to be healing... and

then seemed to

> get worse again. By mid-March I was losing range of motion. I got

Medicaid

> sorted out and it took another month to find a doc who would take

Medicaid (yay

> for state budget cuts!). I finally got an appointment for June.

>

> It was about late April when the pain exploded. My feet hurt all

the time, my

> knees and hips hurt and felt " frozen, " my shoulder was killing me

(and then

> the *right* shoulder started hurting almost as bad as the left).

One night I

> took some notes on a post-it note and went to bed. When I got up

the next

> morning, my right hand was twice as big as my right. I began to

have trouble getting

> out of bed, and spent as much time as possible in my chair, even

in the

> house.

>

> The GP I went to see was nice but not altogether with it. She

decided none of

> my joints were hot, discolored or swollen, and that I had " general

arthralgia

> due to CP, " and basically told me to take some naproxen and suck

it up. She

> did, thank God, run a few blood tests. My sed rate and a few other

things came

> back slightly elevated so I was referred to rheumatology, whose

soonest

> appointment was a month and a half later.

>

> The time between appointments was a complete hell. I was taking

flat out

> *dangerous* amounts of OTC NSAIDs with no effect. I called the GP

back after a

> week and begged for something stronger. I got diclofenac, which

was equally as

> pointless. I called back again after another week and told her I

could no longer

> stand up or go to the bathroom on my own and was in excruciating

pain and

> could I please have something, anything... she told me, in

essence, " tell it to

> the rheumatologist. "

>

> In desperation I once resorted to taking a leftover percocet...

which did no

> good, either. I think that's when I *really* got scared. By the

time my

> rheumatology appointment rolled around I had vitually no use of

any part of my body.

> My mom had to lift me out of bed in the morning and pray that I'd

be okay all

> day while she was at work... I couldn't bear weight, couldn't

move my arms

> or legs, couldn't grip anything or make a fist... most of my

joints were huge

> and purple. In retropect I should have gone to the ER - I think

that's what

> you're supposed to do when the pain is so bad you're screaming at

the top of your

> lungs and you don't even realize it, lol - but I was so mentally

not-with-it,

> and mom was so stunned, I think, that we were tunnelvisioned on

the rheumy

> appointment.

>

> Fortunately my rheumatologist is *awesome*. She started me on

methotrexate,

> prednisone, folic acid, lasix and potassium (I too, have extreme

swelling and

> itchiness in my legs and feet. Is that an RA " thing, " a general

auto-immune

> " thing, " or just a general weirdness.... thing?).

>

> My bloodwork came back with a sed rate of 90 and I had a high RF

titer...

> don't remember how high now. I had a really horrible reaction to

the pill form of

> mtx - 7 full days of extreme nausea and fatigue - so after two

weeks of that,

> my rheumy switched me to the injectable form. Due to insurance

issues

> (again), I was just *finally* able to make the switch this past

Friday, with good

> results.... no problems with the injection itself, and the side

effects are much

> improved.

>

> At this point, I'm on 15ccs mtx, 12.5mg pred, 2.2mg Folgard, 40mg

lasix, and

> 20mcg potassium. My swelling and discoloration is largely gone,

and I'm back

> to gimping around my house where necessary. ;) I've not been

prescribed

> anything for pain, but my pain is largely controlled I suppose...

although

> considering how *much* pain I was in not so long ago I guess

that's all relative. I'm

> still sore and stiff most of the time... it's hard to tell what's

RA stiffness

> and what's CP spasticity that's being aggravated due to RA

stiffness/pain.

> This is also something my rheumatologist is trying to figure

out... we're having

> a lot of trouble trying to figure out exactly what my baseline is,

because as

> I'm sure you've deduced by now, I now think the emergence of the

RA can be

> traced back at *least* as far as college, and maybe as far as my

first bout with

> pneumonia (the latter theory is underscored by the fact that my

feet don't

> hurt hardly at all anymore, for the first time in about 8 years).

>

> I have promised my doc that if my shoulder is not pain-free by my

next

> appointment, I'm to let her inject it. I'm not thrilled about the

idea, but I *need*

> my arms. The legs have never worked all that great ;) but my arms

are not

> expendable, so I'll do whatever it takes.

>

> My latest pred taper, from 15mg to 12.5 mg this week, isn't going

so well -

> I'm having a lot more pain and stiffness and will probably have to

call my doc

> ahead of schedule to ask what she wants me to do. Is it " normal "

to have some

> trouble working down off the pred after your first major flare? I

know the

> reason my doc hasn't given me anything for pain control is because

she's trying

> to get an idea of how well the other meds are working first

(again, because of

> the CP complicating matters and because it's so hard for me to

even *remember*

> when I was last pain-free).

>

> My next visit will be on September 23, about two months from my

initial

> visit... time to ask about something specifically for pain

control? I know some of

> the fatigue is RA related and some is MTX related, but is there

anything at

> all that can be *done* about it? I've been having depression,

anxiety, panic

> attacks, insomnia and PTSD (tree falling on the house and van repo

at 3:30 am

> will do that) for a few years now and was recently referred to

mental health,

> which I still need to make an appt for... I plan to ask the rheumy

about this,

> but is there anything I should know vis-à-vis RA/RA meds and

potential

> interactions with the various meds that I might be prescribed to

get this other stuff

> under control? Does one ever get used to this " yesterday was

almost normal and

> today I've been hit by a truck " see-saw? Has anyone had any

experience or

> have any info about a possible RA/mycoplasma connection? Can

anyone tell I was

> med school bound once upon a time? ;)

>

> Apologies for going on at such great length. Looking forward to

getting to

> know you all, and I hope everyone is either doing well or headed

in the right

> direction.

>

> Meg

>

> ----

>

> " Writers aren't exactly people... they're a whole lot of people

trying to be

> one person. " - F. Fitzgerald

>

> " I've got a silly walk, and I'd like to obtain a government grant

to help me

> develop it. " - Monty Python

>

> " There are times when you can do nothing, but you must still cry

out against

> injustice. Even the very stones will cry out if you do not... " -

Bayard Rustin

>

>

>

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Hi Meg, welcome to the group!

You really did post a lot. That is great, it helps get a sense of

where you are with the diagnosis. I'm sure you're going to have lots

more questions as time passes. The best thing you can do is have a

good rheumatologist that works with you, and you've done that. This

group can be extremely helpful in getting information and you can use

that to ensure you are getting the best treatment possible (which it

sounds like you are getting so far).

It sounds like the drugs you've started on are working well, but

maybe not quite well enough. That is common after being initially

diagnosed. Your rheumy will try something, see how it works, modify

the meds if it doesn't. It's trial and error, and it's necessary

because everyone's RA is different and nobody reacts the same to the

same medications.

It's not always necessary to be on pain meds with RA. It varies

person to person. My mom has severe RA for over 20 years and has

never taken pain meds. I've had it for over a year and never felt I

needed them. One thing about starting them now, is that you will not

know if there is more you can do with RA drugs to get the RA, and

thus the pain, under control. I personally consider pain to be a

signal our bodies send us that something is wrong. If you can get to

a better place pain-wise with RA drugs, you might not need pain

meds. If you try everything and you still have pain, you might need

them. It may take some time for the mtx to get things under control,

or your rheumy may want to up the mtx, or add another RA drug to take

in combination with the mtx.

There are three biological drugs which for some of us, are miracle

drugs. They don't work for everyone. The names are Enbrel, Remicade

and Humira and they differ slightly from each other. But basically

they are proteins that counteract another protein that is over

produced in the bodies of RA patients. So this could be the next

step for you if the mtx isn't enough. I am not sure how it would

interact with your other medications and conditions though, your

rheumy could advise you on that. It is also common for the mtx to

work well for a time, and then the RA to progress and the mtx to

suddenly not be enough.

Which brings me to the hit-by-a-truck syndrome. Very common. You

will know when your RA is under control because when that is no

longer happening to you.

I've never been on a prednisone taper. I've had a steady low dose

since before being officially diagnosed, but cutting down on

prednisone is always a challenge. Let your rheumy know how you are

feeling on the lower dose. I always call my rheumy between appts if

something is happening that I didn't expect or we hadn't discussed.

I assume when you say your rheumy is going to inject your shoulder,

you mean a cortisone injection. I have had several of those and

sometimes it can just settle that joint down when nothing else was

working. Did your rheumy order x-rays? This is to assess any joint

damage. You will want to know if you have any joint damage now since

you have probably had undiagnosed RA for years. Then you will have a

baseline to compare any future x-rays and joint damage against.

Again, welcome to the group. I am sorry about your diagnosis but

glad to have you with us.

Jennie

>

> Fortunately my rheumatologist is *awesome*. She started me on

methotrexate,

> prednisone, folic acid, lasix and potassium (I too, have extreme

swelling and

> itchiness in my legs and feet. Is that an RA " thing, " a general

auto-immune

> " thing, " or just a general weirdness.... thing?).

>

> My bloodwork came back with a sed rate of 90 and I had a high RF

titer...

> don't remember how high now. I had a really horrible reaction to

the pill form of

> mtx - 7 full days of extreme nausea and fatigue - so after two

weeks of that,

> my rheumy switched me to the injectable form. Due to insurance

issues

> (again), I was just *finally* able to make the switch this past

Friday, with good

> results.... no problems with the injection itself, and the side

effects are much

> improved.

>

> At this point, I'm on 15ccs mtx, 12.5mg pred, 2.2mg Folgard, 40mg

lasix, and

> 20mcg potassium. My swelling and discoloration is largely gone, and

I'm back

> to gimping around my house where necessary. ;) I've not been

prescribed

> anything for pain, but my pain is largely controlled I suppose...

although

> considering how *much* pain I was in not so long ago I guess that's

all relative. I'm

> still sore and stiff most of the time... it's hard to tell what's

RA stiffness

> and what's CP spasticity that's being aggravated due to RA

stiffness/pain.

> This is also something my rheumatologist is trying to figure out...

we're having

> a lot of trouble trying to figure out exactly what my baseline is,

because as

> I'm sure you've deduced by now, I now think the emergence of the RA

can be

> traced back at *least* as far as college, and maybe as far as my

first bout with

> pneumonia (the latter theory is underscored by the fact that my

feet don't

> hurt hardly at all anymore, for the first time in about 8 years).

>

> I have promised my doc that if my shoulder is not pain-free by my

next

> appointment, I'm to let her inject it. I'm not thrilled about the

idea, but I *need*

> my arms. The legs have never worked all that great ;) but my arms

are not

> expendable, so I'll do whatever it takes.

>

> My latest pred taper, from 15mg to 12.5 mg this week, isn't going

so well -

> I'm having a lot more pain and stiffness and will probably have to

call my doc

> ahead of schedule to ask what she wants me to do. Is it " normal " to

have some

> trouble working down off the pred after your first major flare? I

know the

> reason my doc hasn't given me anything for pain control is because

she's trying

> to get an idea of how well the other meds are working first (again,

because of

> the CP complicating matters and because it's so hard for me to even

*remember*

> when I was last pain-free).

>

> My next visit will be on September 23, about two months from my

initial

> visit... time to ask about something specifically for pain control?

I know some of

> the fatigue is RA related and some is MTX related, but is there

anything at

> all that can be *done* about it? I've been having depression,

anxiety, panic

> attacks, insomnia and PTSD (tree falling on the house and van repo

at 3:30 am

> will do that) for a few years now and was recently referred to

mental health,

> which I still need to make an appt for... I plan to ask the rheumy

about this,

> but is there anything I should know vis-à-vis RA/RA meds and

potential

> interactions with the various meds that I might be prescribed to

get this other stuff

> under control? Does one ever get used to this " yesterday was almost

normal and

> today I've been hit by a truck " see-saw? Has anyone had any

experience or

> have any info about a possible RA/mycoplasma connection? Can anyone

tell I was

> med school bound once upon a time? ;)

>

> Apologies for going on at such great length. Looking forward to

getting to

> know you all, and I hope everyone is either doing well or headed in

the right

> direction.

>

> Meg

>

> ----

>

> " Writers aren't exactly people... they're a whole lot of people

trying to be

> one person. " - F. Fitzgerald

>

> " I've got a silly walk, and I'd like to obtain a government grant

to help me

> develop it. " - Monty Python

>

> " There are times when you can do nothing, but you must still cry

out against

> injustice. Even the very stones will cry out if you do not... " -

Bayard Rustin

>

>

>

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Hi Meg, welcome to the group!

You really did post a lot. That is great, it helps get a sense of

where you are with the diagnosis. I'm sure you're going to have lots

more questions as time passes. The best thing you can do is have a

good rheumatologist that works with you, and you've done that. This

group can be extremely helpful in getting information and you can use

that to ensure you are getting the best treatment possible (which it

sounds like you are getting so far).

It sounds like the drugs you've started on are working well, but

maybe not quite well enough. That is common after being initially

diagnosed. Your rheumy will try something, see how it works, modify

the meds if it doesn't. It's trial and error, and it's necessary

because everyone's RA is different and nobody reacts the same to the

same medications.

It's not always necessary to be on pain meds with RA. It varies

person to person. My mom has severe RA for over 20 years and has

never taken pain meds. I've had it for over a year and never felt I

needed them. One thing about starting them now, is that you will not

know if there is more you can do with RA drugs to get the RA, and

thus the pain, under control. I personally consider pain to be a

signal our bodies send us that something is wrong. If you can get to

a better place pain-wise with RA drugs, you might not need pain

meds. If you try everything and you still have pain, you might need

them. It may take some time for the mtx to get things under control,

or your rheumy may want to up the mtx, or add another RA drug to take

in combination with the mtx.

There are three biological drugs which for some of us, are miracle

drugs. They don't work for everyone. The names are Enbrel, Remicade

and Humira and they differ slightly from each other. But basically

they are proteins that counteract another protein that is over

produced in the bodies of RA patients. So this could be the next

step for you if the mtx isn't enough. I am not sure how it would

interact with your other medications and conditions though, your

rheumy could advise you on that. It is also common for the mtx to

work well for a time, and then the RA to progress and the mtx to

suddenly not be enough.

Which brings me to the hit-by-a-truck syndrome. Very common. You

will know when your RA is under control because when that is no

longer happening to you.

I've never been on a prednisone taper. I've had a steady low dose

since before being officially diagnosed, but cutting down on

prednisone is always a challenge. Let your rheumy know how you are

feeling on the lower dose. I always call my rheumy between appts if

something is happening that I didn't expect or we hadn't discussed.

I assume when you say your rheumy is going to inject your shoulder,

you mean a cortisone injection. I have had several of those and

sometimes it can just settle that joint down when nothing else was

working. Did your rheumy order x-rays? This is to assess any joint

damage. You will want to know if you have any joint damage now since

you have probably had undiagnosed RA for years. Then you will have a

baseline to compare any future x-rays and joint damage against.

Again, welcome to the group. I am sorry about your diagnosis but

glad to have you with us.

Jennie

>

> Fortunately my rheumatologist is *awesome*. She started me on

methotrexate,

> prednisone, folic acid, lasix and potassium (I too, have extreme

swelling and

> itchiness in my legs and feet. Is that an RA " thing, " a general

auto-immune

> " thing, " or just a general weirdness.... thing?).

>

> My bloodwork came back with a sed rate of 90 and I had a high RF

titer...

> don't remember how high now. I had a really horrible reaction to

the pill form of

> mtx - 7 full days of extreme nausea and fatigue - so after two

weeks of that,

> my rheumy switched me to the injectable form. Due to insurance

issues

> (again), I was just *finally* able to make the switch this past

Friday, with good

> results.... no problems with the injection itself, and the side

effects are much

> improved.

>

> At this point, I'm on 15ccs mtx, 12.5mg pred, 2.2mg Folgard, 40mg

lasix, and

> 20mcg potassium. My swelling and discoloration is largely gone, and

I'm back

> to gimping around my house where necessary. ;) I've not been

prescribed

> anything for pain, but my pain is largely controlled I suppose...

although

> considering how *much* pain I was in not so long ago I guess that's

all relative. I'm

> still sore and stiff most of the time... it's hard to tell what's

RA stiffness

> and what's CP spasticity that's being aggravated due to RA

stiffness/pain.

> This is also something my rheumatologist is trying to figure out...

we're having

> a lot of trouble trying to figure out exactly what my baseline is,

because as

> I'm sure you've deduced by now, I now think the emergence of the RA

can be

> traced back at *least* as far as college, and maybe as far as my

first bout with

> pneumonia (the latter theory is underscored by the fact that my

feet don't

> hurt hardly at all anymore, for the first time in about 8 years).

>

> I have promised my doc that if my shoulder is not pain-free by my

next

> appointment, I'm to let her inject it. I'm not thrilled about the

idea, but I *need*

> my arms. The legs have never worked all that great ;) but my arms

are not

> expendable, so I'll do whatever it takes.

>

> My latest pred taper, from 15mg to 12.5 mg this week, isn't going

so well -

> I'm having a lot more pain and stiffness and will probably have to

call my doc

> ahead of schedule to ask what she wants me to do. Is it " normal " to

have some

> trouble working down off the pred after your first major flare? I

know the

> reason my doc hasn't given me anything for pain control is because

she's trying

> to get an idea of how well the other meds are working first (again,

because of

> the CP complicating matters and because it's so hard for me to even

*remember*

> when I was last pain-free).

>

> My next visit will be on September 23, about two months from my

initial

> visit... time to ask about something specifically for pain control?

I know some of

> the fatigue is RA related and some is MTX related, but is there

anything at

> all that can be *done* about it? I've been having depression,

anxiety, panic

> attacks, insomnia and PTSD (tree falling on the house and van repo

at 3:30 am

> will do that) for a few years now and was recently referred to

mental health,

> which I still need to make an appt for... I plan to ask the rheumy

about this,

> but is there anything I should know vis-à-vis RA/RA meds and

potential

> interactions with the various meds that I might be prescribed to

get this other stuff

> under control? Does one ever get used to this " yesterday was almost

normal and

> today I've been hit by a truck " see-saw? Has anyone had any

experience or

> have any info about a possible RA/mycoplasma connection? Can anyone

tell I was

> med school bound once upon a time? ;)

>

> Apologies for going on at such great length. Looking forward to

getting to

> know you all, and I hope everyone is either doing well or headed in

the right

> direction.

>

> Meg

>

> ----

>

> " Writers aren't exactly people... they're a whole lot of people

trying to be

> one person. " - F. Fitzgerald

>

> " I've got a silly walk, and I'd like to obtain a government grant

to help me

> develop it. " - Monty Python

>

> " There are times when you can do nothing, but you must still cry

out against

> injustice. Even the very stones will cry out if you do not... " -

Bayard Rustin

>

>

>

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It is not the ACLU that you need to contact but your local legal services (legal

aid) program. Statute or not I don't think they can sue you for collection of

the loan - there is what we lawyers call the " Ability to Benefit " clause. If for

some reason you couldn't go and did not take that semester - you should not only

be able to get the loan forgiven - but also off your credit record. You

probably need legal counsel to help you. I used to handle student loan/education

questions here in Michigan. (I am an attorney who has RA). Can't handle yours -

jurisdiction thing- but you should be able to find someone- maybe even probono.

Don't wait- think of what a relief it would be to take care of. If you can't

find who to c ontact- let me know state and county and maybe I can find in a

directory here. BTW- Hi and Welcome.

> Hi ,

>

> Thanks for the welcome! Yeah, sometimes I feel like I must've drawn the short

> straw in life, lol. My younger sister also has CP (but not RA) and is

> mentally impaired... our family is one of three in the US that we know of

where

> there

> were two singleton births that resulted in CP, as CP is not a genetic

> disease. So we are a collectively unusual bad luck magnet! :)

>

> I live near Atlanta and was a student at Oxford College of Emory University

> from August of '98 to February of '99. I've thought off and on about

contacting

> the ACLU and I may still do that when I have a little more energy... I got a

> " neener neener, your statute of limitations has expired and you can't sue us

> now... " letter from Emory back in 2000 (I really wish I was kidding!), so I

> think the lawsuit avenue is probably closed by now, but I *would* like the

> illegal $5000 loan I was forced into signing without a co-signer or a witness,

> for a

> semester I didn't end up attending, taken off my credit record. Emory is a

> pretty big fish to go after, and I'm just going to have a lot of fortitude

> before I chase them down.

>

> I very much appreciate the advice and good thoughts/prayers!

>

> Meg

>

> P.S. Just realized in my original mail I wrote that I was taking 15 *ccs* of

> mtx... it's 15 *mg* obviously! I had ccs on the brain cause I had to have the

> rheumy re-write the script... a story in and of itself... ;)

>

>

>

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It is not the ACLU that you need to contact but your local legal services (legal

aid) program. Statute or not I don't think they can sue you for collection of

the loan - there is what we lawyers call the " Ability to Benefit " clause. If for

some reason you couldn't go and did not take that semester - you should not only

be able to get the loan forgiven - but also off your credit record. You

probably need legal counsel to help you. I used to handle student loan/education

questions here in Michigan. (I am an attorney who has RA). Can't handle yours -

jurisdiction thing- but you should be able to find someone- maybe even probono.

Don't wait- think of what a relief it would be to take care of. If you can't

find who to c ontact- let me know state and county and maybe I can find in a

directory here. BTW- Hi and Welcome.

> Hi ,

>

> Thanks for the welcome! Yeah, sometimes I feel like I must've drawn the short

> straw in life, lol. My younger sister also has CP (but not RA) and is

> mentally impaired... our family is one of three in the US that we know of

where

> there

> were two singleton births that resulted in CP, as CP is not a genetic

> disease. So we are a collectively unusual bad luck magnet! :)

>

> I live near Atlanta and was a student at Oxford College of Emory University

> from August of '98 to February of '99. I've thought off and on about

contacting

> the ACLU and I may still do that when I have a little more energy... I got a

> " neener neener, your statute of limitations has expired and you can't sue us

> now... " letter from Emory back in 2000 (I really wish I was kidding!), so I

> think the lawsuit avenue is probably closed by now, but I *would* like the

> illegal $5000 loan I was forced into signing without a co-signer or a witness,

> for a

> semester I didn't end up attending, taken off my credit record. Emory is a

> pretty big fish to go after, and I'm just going to have a lot of fortitude

> before I chase them down.

>

> I very much appreciate the advice and good thoughts/prayers!

>

> Meg

>

> P.S. Just realized in my original mail I wrote that I was taking 15 *ccs* of

> mtx... it's 15 *mg* obviously! I had ccs on the brain cause I had to have the

> rheumy re-write the script... a story in and of itself... ;)

>

>

>

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Welcome Meg. Nice to know you but sorry it's through shared illnesses.

There is a connection between mycoplasma and rheumatoid diseases, the first

connection made in the 30's by Drs. Swift and Brown. In the 70's mycoplasma

had been found in joint tissue and scientific studies were finding more

about these bacteria. This bacteria can be found in virtually every part of

the body and it's pretty amazing that one single tiny bacteria can be the

cause of so many seemingly unrelated diseases in humans. Autoimmune

diseases are thought to be caused by these mycoplasma because the body

recognizes a persistent foreign substance and our immune system attacks it.

I don't know if you've ever heard about the antibiotic treatment for

rheumatic diseases, but the primary belief is that arthritis is caused by

mycoplasma. The Road Back site is a good site to learn about the treatment.

Many traditional RA doctors don't believe in this treatment.

http://www.roadback.org

As far as pain meds, many rheumatologists believe that if the disease is

controlled, pain meds are not a necessity. Other rheumatologists prescribe

them. It all depends on your doctor. It's great that you are responding

to the meds and feel better. Hopefully this will continue and your pain

will be reduced.

The longer you've been on prednisone, the longer it takes to wean off of

them. The process can be slow and can only be done under doctor's care.

Maybe your reduction was to much and you have to reduce slower.

My life has been a constant merry-go-round since I was diagnosed over 25

years ago. One day I'm looking for a job and the next day I'm trying to

find the energy to get dressed. It is a constant see saw and I feel

contributes to depression. Kind of hard to put on a happy face when you

feel so bad.

a

> Hi everyone!

>

> I've only been lurking here for a day or two so I don't have much of a feel

> for things here just yet, and I hope I'm not breaking with list etiquette by

> posting before I've gotten my bearings - I'm just so glad to have found a

> great

> support list!

>

> My name is Meg and I'm 22. I was officially diagnosed with RA on July 29th...

> but in some ways, that's putting the end of the story before the beginning.

> I'm looking for some advice/input about what's happened to me and where I

> should be headed, so I hope you all don't mind quite a few details about me.

> :)

>

> I have moderate spastic diplegic cerebral palsy and asthma. I use a manual

> wheelchair to get around outside the house, and walk independently inside

> (hanging onto a few things here and there). I've dealt with chronic pain my

> whole

> life, have very poor circulation in my extremities and my general stamina has

> always been less than that of my peers.

>

> When I was 14, I got a mysterious case of pneumonia that blew up out of

> nowhere and came within about an hour of killing me - so said my docs at the

> time.

> The eventual diagnosis, and it was largely one of exclusion, was that I'd

> encountered some kind of mycoplasma. The first incident caused a good deal of

> lung

> damage and my stamina took a huge hit. I remain prone to pneumonia to this

> day, although the first four years after the initial incident were the worst

> (about every 3 months, I would be hospitalized or nearly so). To this day it's

> debatable whether I've ever completely gotten rid of that nasty little bug.

>

> Not too long after the first bout with pneumonia, my feet began to hurt

> whenever I stood for more than a minute or so. I have pins still in my feet

> from a

> reconstructive foot surgery when I was 12, so I assumed it was the fact that I

> had big metal spikes in my feet. :) Nothing else ever crossed my mind...

>

> Also from that point, my fatigue was almost constant. Just going to school

> wiped me out, and I started napping every afternoon. I was tested for

> *everything* - anemia, mono, etc... everything but RA. Again, RA never crossed

> my

> mind...

>

> I graduated and went to college at age 16 (fall of 98). The campus was not as

> accessible as I'd been led to believe, the staff were anything but

> accommodating, the campus was nothing but hills, and I was very quickly

> extremely ill

> and exhausted beyond belief. My grades started to slip, the administration

> panicked because they thought I might sue, and... long story short, I was

> forced

> out. (I'm well aware that's illegal. Almost immediately after I had to leave

> school, my parents went through a very acrimonious divorce and we ran out of

> money to pay lawyers. Then my mom lost her job [and therefore our health

> insurance] and was unemployed for a year and a half... we had our van

> repossessed, a

> tree fall on the house, and the house repossessed. School - and unfortunately,

> my health - has been taking a backseat to trying to keep a roof over our

> heads

> and food on the table.)

>

> During all of these lovely festivities, I noticed my stamina plunging even

> further and my overall pain levels increasing. At first I attributed it to

> depression (which I'm very prone to). When the winter of 2002 found me

> spending 15+

> hours curled up on my waterbed and crying from the pain, I started doing some

> research and found that people with CP are prone to advanced joint

> deterioration due to the " wrong " ways we move. I assumed I'd solved the

> mystery and

> resigned myself to living with the pain and, eventually, on mild narcotics

> like a

> lot of my 20-something friends with CP.

>

> Meanwhile I was battling with Medicaid to try to get insurance coverage

> again... I had already qualified due to my disability, but typical government

> mind

> games were prevailing as far as my actually getting the all-important card in

> hand, and I was getting mentally and emotionally worn out, with all the other

> stress around.

>

> In February, I tripped and fell - not an unusual occurrence, but I

> over-corrected on the way down and landed hard on my left shoulder. It was

> incredibly

> painful for about two weeks, and then seemed to be healing... and then seemed

> to

> get worse again. By mid-March I was losing range of motion. I got Medicaid

> sorted out and it took another month to find a doc who would take Medicaid

> (yay

> for state budget cuts!). I finally got an appointment for June.

>

> It was about late April when the pain exploded. My feet hurt all the time, my

> knees and hips hurt and felt " frozen, " my shoulder was killing me (and then

> the *right* shoulder started hurting almost as bad as the left). One night I

> took some notes on a post-it note and went to bed. When I got up the next

> morning, my right hand was twice as big as my right. I began to have trouble

> getting

> out of bed, and spent as much time as possible in my chair, even in the

> house.

>

> The GP I went to see was nice but not altogether with it. She decided none of

> my joints were hot, discolored or swollen, and that I had " general arthralgia

> due to CP, " and basically told me to take some naproxen and suck it up. She

> did, thank God, run a few blood tests. My sed rate and a few other things came

> back slightly elevated so I was referred to rheumatology, whose soonest

> appointment was a month and a half later.

>

> The time between appointments was a complete hell. I was taking flat out

> *dangerous* amounts of OTC NSAIDs with no effect. I called the GP back after a

> week and begged for something stronger. I got diclofenac, which was equally as

> pointless. I called back again after another week and told her I could no

> longer

> stand up or go to the bathroom on my own and was in excruciating pain and

> could I please have something, anything... she told me, in essence, " tell it

> to

> the rheumatologist. "

>

> In desperation I once resorted to taking a leftover percocet... which did no

> good, either. I think that's when I *really* got scared. By the time my

> rheumatology appointment rolled around I had vitually no use of any part of my

> body.

> My mom had to lift me out of bed in the morning and pray that I'd be okay all

> day while she was at work... I couldn't bear weight, couldn't move my arms

> or legs, couldn't grip anything or make a fist... most of my joints were huge

> and purple. In retropect I should have gone to the ER - I think that's what

> you're supposed to do when the pain is so bad you're screaming at the top of

> your

> lungs and you don't even realize it, lol - but I was so mentally not-with-it,

> and mom was so stunned, I think, that we were tunnelvisioned on the rheumy

> appointment.

>

> Fortunately my rheumatologist is *awesome*. She started me on methotrexate,

> prednisone, folic acid, lasix and potassium (I too, have extreme swelling and

> itchiness in my legs and feet. Is that an RA " thing, " a general auto-immune

> " thing, " or just a general weirdness.... thing?).

>

> My bloodwork came back with a sed rate of 90 and I had a high RF titer...

> don't remember how high now. I had a really horrible reaction to the pill form

> of

> mtx - 7 full days of extreme nausea and fatigue - so after two weeks of that,

> my rheumy switched me to the injectable form. Due to insurance issues

> (again), I was just *finally* able to make the switch this past Friday, with

> good

> results.... no problems with the injection itself, and the side effects are

> much

> improved.

>

> At this point, I'm on 15ccs mtx, 12.5mg pred, 2.2mg Folgard, 40mg lasix, and

> 20mcg potassium. My swelling and discoloration is largely gone, and I'm back

> to gimping around my house where necessary. ;) I've not been prescribed

> anything for pain, but my pain is largely controlled I suppose... although

> considering how *much* pain I was in not so long ago I guess that's all

> relative. I'm

> still sore and stiff most of the time... it's hard to tell what's RA stiffness

> and what's CP spasticity that's being aggravated due to RA stiffness/pain.

> This is also something my rheumatologist is trying to figure out... we're

> having

> a lot of trouble trying to figure out exactly what my baseline is, because as

> I'm sure you've deduced by now, I now think the emergence of the RA can be

> traced back at *least* as far as college, and maybe as far as my first bout

> with

> pneumonia (the latter theory is underscored by the fact that my feet don't

> hurt hardly at all anymore, for the first time in about 8 years).

>

> I have promised my doc that if my shoulder is not pain-free by my next

> appointment, I'm to let her inject it. I'm not thrilled about the idea, but I

> *need*

> my arms. The legs have never worked all that great ;) but my arms are not

> expendable, so I'll do whatever it takes.

>

> My latest pred taper, from 15mg to 12.5 mg this week, isn't going so well -

> I'm having a lot more pain and stiffness and will probably have to call my doc

> ahead of schedule to ask what she wants me to do. Is it " normal " to have some

> trouble working down off the pred after your first major flare? I know the

> reason my doc hasn't given me anything for pain control is because she's

> trying

> to get an idea of how well the other meds are working first (again, because of

> the CP complicating matters and because it's so hard for me to even *remember*

> when I was last pain-free).

>

> My next visit will be on September 23, about two months from my initial

> visit... time to ask about something specifically for pain control? I know

> some of

> the fatigue is RA related and some is MTX related, but is there anything at

> all that can be *done* about it? I've been having depression, anxiety, panic

> attacks, insomnia and PTSD (tree falling on the house and van repo at 3:30 am

> will do that) for a few years now and was recently referred to mental health,

> which I still need to make an appt for... I plan to ask the rheumy about this,

> but is there anything I should know vis-à-vis RA/RA meds and potential

> interactions with the various meds that I might be prescribed to get this

> other stuff

> under control? Does one ever get used to this " yesterday was almost normal and

> today I've been hit by a truck " see-saw? Has anyone had any experience or

> have any info about a possible RA/mycoplasma connection? Can anyone tell I was

> med school bound once upon a time? ;)

>

> Apologies for going on at such great length. Looking forward to getting to

> know you all, and I hope everyone is either doing well or headed in the right

> direction.

>

> Meg

>

> ----

>

> " Writers aren't exactly people... they're a whole lot of people trying to be

> one person. " - F. Fitzgerald

>

> " I've got a silly walk, and I'd like to obtain a government grant to help me

> develop it. " - Monty Python

>

> " There are times when you can do nothing, but you must still cry out against

> injustice. Even the very stones will cry out if you do not... " - Bayard Rustin

>

>

>

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Welcome Meg. Nice to know you but sorry it's through shared illnesses.

There is a connection between mycoplasma and rheumatoid diseases, the first

connection made in the 30's by Drs. Swift and Brown. In the 70's mycoplasma

had been found in joint tissue and scientific studies were finding more

about these bacteria. This bacteria can be found in virtually every part of

the body and it's pretty amazing that one single tiny bacteria can be the

cause of so many seemingly unrelated diseases in humans. Autoimmune

diseases are thought to be caused by these mycoplasma because the body

recognizes a persistent foreign substance and our immune system attacks it.

I don't know if you've ever heard about the antibiotic treatment for

rheumatic diseases, but the primary belief is that arthritis is caused by

mycoplasma. The Road Back site is a good site to learn about the treatment.

Many traditional RA doctors don't believe in this treatment.

http://www.roadback.org

As far as pain meds, many rheumatologists believe that if the disease is

controlled, pain meds are not a necessity. Other rheumatologists prescribe

them. It all depends on your doctor. It's great that you are responding

to the meds and feel better. Hopefully this will continue and your pain

will be reduced.

The longer you've been on prednisone, the longer it takes to wean off of

them. The process can be slow and can only be done under doctor's care.

Maybe your reduction was to much and you have to reduce slower.

My life has been a constant merry-go-round since I was diagnosed over 25

years ago. One day I'm looking for a job and the next day I'm trying to

find the energy to get dressed. It is a constant see saw and I feel

contributes to depression. Kind of hard to put on a happy face when you

feel so bad.

a

> Hi everyone!

>

> I've only been lurking here for a day or two so I don't have much of a feel

> for things here just yet, and I hope I'm not breaking with list etiquette by

> posting before I've gotten my bearings - I'm just so glad to have found a

> great

> support list!

>

> My name is Meg and I'm 22. I was officially diagnosed with RA on July 29th...

> but in some ways, that's putting the end of the story before the beginning.

> I'm looking for some advice/input about what's happened to me and where I

> should be headed, so I hope you all don't mind quite a few details about me.

> :)

>

> I have moderate spastic diplegic cerebral palsy and asthma. I use a manual

> wheelchair to get around outside the house, and walk independently inside

> (hanging onto a few things here and there). I've dealt with chronic pain my

> whole

> life, have very poor circulation in my extremities and my general stamina has

> always been less than that of my peers.

>

> When I was 14, I got a mysterious case of pneumonia that blew up out of

> nowhere and came within about an hour of killing me - so said my docs at the

> time.

> The eventual diagnosis, and it was largely one of exclusion, was that I'd

> encountered some kind of mycoplasma. The first incident caused a good deal of

> lung

> damage and my stamina took a huge hit. I remain prone to pneumonia to this

> day, although the first four years after the initial incident were the worst

> (about every 3 months, I would be hospitalized or nearly so). To this day it's

> debatable whether I've ever completely gotten rid of that nasty little bug.

>

> Not too long after the first bout with pneumonia, my feet began to hurt

> whenever I stood for more than a minute or so. I have pins still in my feet

> from a

> reconstructive foot surgery when I was 12, so I assumed it was the fact that I

> had big metal spikes in my feet. :) Nothing else ever crossed my mind...

>

> Also from that point, my fatigue was almost constant. Just going to school

> wiped me out, and I started napping every afternoon. I was tested for

> *everything* - anemia, mono, etc... everything but RA. Again, RA never crossed

> my

> mind...

>

> I graduated and went to college at age 16 (fall of 98). The campus was not as

> accessible as I'd been led to believe, the staff were anything but

> accommodating, the campus was nothing but hills, and I was very quickly

> extremely ill

> and exhausted beyond belief. My grades started to slip, the administration

> panicked because they thought I might sue, and... long story short, I was

> forced

> out. (I'm well aware that's illegal. Almost immediately after I had to leave

> school, my parents went through a very acrimonious divorce and we ran out of

> money to pay lawyers. Then my mom lost her job [and therefore our health

> insurance] and was unemployed for a year and a half... we had our van

> repossessed, a

> tree fall on the house, and the house repossessed. School - and unfortunately,

> my health - has been taking a backseat to trying to keep a roof over our

> heads

> and food on the table.)

>

> During all of these lovely festivities, I noticed my stamina plunging even

> further and my overall pain levels increasing. At first I attributed it to

> depression (which I'm very prone to). When the winter of 2002 found me

> spending 15+

> hours curled up on my waterbed and crying from the pain, I started doing some

> research and found that people with CP are prone to advanced joint

> deterioration due to the " wrong " ways we move. I assumed I'd solved the

> mystery and

> resigned myself to living with the pain and, eventually, on mild narcotics

> like a

> lot of my 20-something friends with CP.

>

> Meanwhile I was battling with Medicaid to try to get insurance coverage

> again... I had already qualified due to my disability, but typical government

> mind

> games were prevailing as far as my actually getting the all-important card in

> hand, and I was getting mentally and emotionally worn out, with all the other

> stress around.

>

> In February, I tripped and fell - not an unusual occurrence, but I

> over-corrected on the way down and landed hard on my left shoulder. It was

> incredibly

> painful for about two weeks, and then seemed to be healing... and then seemed

> to

> get worse again. By mid-March I was losing range of motion. I got Medicaid

> sorted out and it took another month to find a doc who would take Medicaid

> (yay

> for state budget cuts!). I finally got an appointment for June.

>

> It was about late April when the pain exploded. My feet hurt all the time, my

> knees and hips hurt and felt " frozen, " my shoulder was killing me (and then

> the *right* shoulder started hurting almost as bad as the left). One night I

> took some notes on a post-it note and went to bed. When I got up the next

> morning, my right hand was twice as big as my right. I began to have trouble

> getting

> out of bed, and spent as much time as possible in my chair, even in the

> house.

>

> The GP I went to see was nice but not altogether with it. She decided none of

> my joints were hot, discolored or swollen, and that I had " general arthralgia

> due to CP, " and basically told me to take some naproxen and suck it up. She

> did, thank God, run a few blood tests. My sed rate and a few other things came

> back slightly elevated so I was referred to rheumatology, whose soonest

> appointment was a month and a half later.

>

> The time between appointments was a complete hell. I was taking flat out

> *dangerous* amounts of OTC NSAIDs with no effect. I called the GP back after a

> week and begged for something stronger. I got diclofenac, which was equally as

> pointless. I called back again after another week and told her I could no

> longer

> stand up or go to the bathroom on my own and was in excruciating pain and

> could I please have something, anything... she told me, in essence, " tell it

> to

> the rheumatologist. "

>

> In desperation I once resorted to taking a leftover percocet... which did no

> good, either. I think that's when I *really* got scared. By the time my

> rheumatology appointment rolled around I had vitually no use of any part of my

> body.

> My mom had to lift me out of bed in the morning and pray that I'd be okay all

> day while she was at work... I couldn't bear weight, couldn't move my arms

> or legs, couldn't grip anything or make a fist... most of my joints were huge

> and purple. In retropect I should have gone to the ER - I think that's what

> you're supposed to do when the pain is so bad you're screaming at the top of

> your

> lungs and you don't even realize it, lol - but I was so mentally not-with-it,

> and mom was so stunned, I think, that we were tunnelvisioned on the rheumy

> appointment.

>

> Fortunately my rheumatologist is *awesome*. She started me on methotrexate,

> prednisone, folic acid, lasix and potassium (I too, have extreme swelling and

> itchiness in my legs and feet. Is that an RA " thing, " a general auto-immune

> " thing, " or just a general weirdness.... thing?).

>

> My bloodwork came back with a sed rate of 90 and I had a high RF titer...

> don't remember how high now. I had a really horrible reaction to the pill form

> of

> mtx - 7 full days of extreme nausea and fatigue - so after two weeks of that,

> my rheumy switched me to the injectable form. Due to insurance issues

> (again), I was just *finally* able to make the switch this past Friday, with

> good

> results.... no problems with the injection itself, and the side effects are

> much

> improved.

>

> At this point, I'm on 15ccs mtx, 12.5mg pred, 2.2mg Folgard, 40mg lasix, and

> 20mcg potassium. My swelling and discoloration is largely gone, and I'm back

> to gimping around my house where necessary. ;) I've not been prescribed

> anything for pain, but my pain is largely controlled I suppose... although

> considering how *much* pain I was in not so long ago I guess that's all

> relative. I'm

> still sore and stiff most of the time... it's hard to tell what's RA stiffness

> and what's CP spasticity that's being aggravated due to RA stiffness/pain.

> This is also something my rheumatologist is trying to figure out... we're

> having

> a lot of trouble trying to figure out exactly what my baseline is, because as

> I'm sure you've deduced by now, I now think the emergence of the RA can be

> traced back at *least* as far as college, and maybe as far as my first bout

> with

> pneumonia (the latter theory is underscored by the fact that my feet don't

> hurt hardly at all anymore, for the first time in about 8 years).

>

> I have promised my doc that if my shoulder is not pain-free by my next

> appointment, I'm to let her inject it. I'm not thrilled about the idea, but I

> *need*

> my arms. The legs have never worked all that great ;) but my arms are not

> expendable, so I'll do whatever it takes.

>

> My latest pred taper, from 15mg to 12.5 mg this week, isn't going so well -

> I'm having a lot more pain and stiffness and will probably have to call my doc

> ahead of schedule to ask what she wants me to do. Is it " normal " to have some

> trouble working down off the pred after your first major flare? I know the

> reason my doc hasn't given me anything for pain control is because she's

> trying

> to get an idea of how well the other meds are working first (again, because of

> the CP complicating matters and because it's so hard for me to even *remember*

> when I was last pain-free).

>

> My next visit will be on September 23, about two months from my initial

> visit... time to ask about something specifically for pain control? I know

> some of

> the fatigue is RA related and some is MTX related, but is there anything at

> all that can be *done* about it? I've been having depression, anxiety, panic

> attacks, insomnia and PTSD (tree falling on the house and van repo at 3:30 am

> will do that) for a few years now and was recently referred to mental health,

> which I still need to make an appt for... I plan to ask the rheumy about this,

> but is there anything I should know vis-à-vis RA/RA meds and potential

> interactions with the various meds that I might be prescribed to get this

> other stuff

> under control? Does one ever get used to this " yesterday was almost normal and

> today I've been hit by a truck " see-saw? Has anyone had any experience or

> have any info about a possible RA/mycoplasma connection? Can anyone tell I was

> med school bound once upon a time? ;)

>

> Apologies for going on at such great length. Looking forward to getting to

> know you all, and I hope everyone is either doing well or headed in the right

> direction.

>

> Meg

>

> ----

>

> " Writers aren't exactly people... they're a whole lot of people trying to be

> one person. " - F. Fitzgerald

>

> " I've got a silly walk, and I'd like to obtain a government grant to help me

> develop it. " - Monty Python

>

> " There are times when you can do nothing, but you must still cry out against

> injustice. Even the very stones will cry out if you do not... " - Bayard Rustin

>

>

>

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Hi, Meg, and nice to meet you. Sounds like you've had a tough time

of it, especially for someone your age. Finding an " awesome "

rheumatologist, though, is a great first step in getting this lousy

disease under some sort of control. I read so many posts from people

who don't trust their doctors, and with good reason. They are either

way too conservative in their treatment and do little to help their

pain OR they seem to throw everything but the kitchen sink at their

patients before they even have much of a diagnosis. I also have a

great dr, and it's made a big difference not only in how I feel

physically, but in my outlook.

One question you asked somewhere in there was about swelling and

itching in your legs. That sound like water retention to me. When I

retain fluid in my thighs, they itch like crazy. What causes it for

me is not the RA, but the meds. Prednisone and anti-inflamatories

are notorious for causing fluid retention.

> Hi everyone!

>

> I've only been lurking here for a day or two so I don't have much

of a feel

> for things here just yet, and I hope I'm not breaking with list

etiquette by

> posting before I've gotten my bearings - I'm just so glad to have

found a great

> support list!

>

> My name is Meg and I'm 22. I was officially diagnosed with RA on

July 29th...

> but in some ways, that's putting the end of the story before the

beginning.

> I'm looking for some advice/input about what's happened to me and

where I

> should be headed, so I hope you all don't mind quite a few details

about me. :)

>

> I have moderate spastic diplegic cerebral palsy and asthma. I use a

manual

> wheelchair to get around outside the house, and walk independently

inside

> (hanging onto a few things here and there). I've dealt with chronic

pain my whole

> life, have very poor circulation in my extremities and my general

stamina has

> always been less than that of my peers.

>

> When I was 14, I got a mysterious case of pneumonia that blew up

out of

> nowhere and came within about an hour of killing me - so said my

docs at the time.

> The eventual diagnosis, and it was largely one of exclusion, was

that I'd

> encountered some kind of mycoplasma. The first incident caused a

good deal of lung

> damage and my stamina took a huge hit. I remain prone to pneumonia

to this

> day, although the first four years after the initial incident were

the worst

> (about every 3 months, I would be hospitalized or nearly so). To

this day it's

> debatable whether I've ever completely gotten rid of that nasty

little bug.

>

> Not too long after the first bout with pneumonia, my feet began to

hurt

> whenever I stood for more than a minute or so. I have pins still in

my feet from a

> reconstructive foot surgery when I was 12, so I assumed it was the

fact that I

> had big metal spikes in my feet. :) Nothing else ever crossed my

mind...

>

> Also from that point, my fatigue was almost constant. Just going to

school

> wiped me out, and I started napping every afternoon. I was tested

for

> *everything* - anemia, mono, etc... everything but RA. Again, RA

never crossed my

> mind...

>

> I graduated and went to college at age 16 (fall of 98). The campus

was not as

> accessible as I'd been led to believe, the staff were anything but

> accommodating, the campus was nothing but hills, and I was very

quickly extremely ill

> and exhausted beyond belief. My grades started to slip, the

administration

> panicked because they thought I might sue, and... long story short,

I was forced

> out. (I'm well aware that's illegal. Almost immediately after I had

to leave

> school, my parents went through a very acrimonious divorce and we

ran out of

> money to pay lawyers. Then my mom lost her job [and therefore our

health

> insurance] and was unemployed for a year and a half... we had our

van repossessed, a

> tree fall on the house, and the house repossessed. School - and

unfortunately,

> my health - has been taking a backseat to trying to keep a roof

over our heads

> and food on the table.)

>

> During all of these lovely festivities, I noticed my stamina

plunging even

> further and my overall pain levels increasing. At first I

attributed it to

> depression (which I'm very prone to). When the winter of 2002 found

me spending 15+

> hours curled up on my waterbed and crying from the pain, I started

doing some

> research and found that people with CP are prone to advanced joint

> deterioration due to the " wrong " ways we move. I assumed I'd solved

the mystery and

> resigned myself to living with the pain and, eventually, on mild

narcotics like a

> lot of my 20-something friends with CP.

>

> Meanwhile I was battling with Medicaid to try to get insurance

coverage

> again... I had already qualified due to my disability, but typical

government mind

> games were prevailing as far as my actually getting the all-

important card in

> hand, and I was getting mentally and emotionally worn out, with all

the other

> stress around.

>

> In February, I tripped and fell - not an unusual occurrence, but I

> over-corrected on the way down and landed hard on my left shoulder.

It was incredibly

> painful for about two weeks, and then seemed to be healing... and

then seemed to

> get worse again. By mid-March I was losing range of motion. I got

Medicaid

> sorted out and it took another month to find a doc who would take

Medicaid (yay

> for state budget cuts!). I finally got an appointment for June.

>

> It was about late April when the pain exploded. My feet hurt all

the time, my

> knees and hips hurt and felt " frozen, " my shoulder was killing me

(and then

> the *right* shoulder started hurting almost as bad as the left).

One night I

> took some notes on a post-it note and went to bed. When I got up

the next

> morning, my right hand was twice as big as my right. I began to

have trouble getting

> out of bed, and spent as much time as possible in my chair, even in

the

> house.

>

> The GP I went to see was nice but not altogether with it. She

decided none of

> my joints were hot, discolored or swollen, and that I had " general

arthralgia

> due to CP, " and basically told me to take some naproxen and suck it

up. She

> did, thank God, run a few blood tests. My sed rate and a few other

things came

> back slightly elevated so I was referred to rheumatology, whose

soonest

> appointment was a month and a half later.

>

> The time between appointments was a complete hell. I was taking

flat out

> *dangerous* amounts of OTC NSAIDs with no effect. I called the GP

back after a

> week and begged for something stronger. I got diclofenac, which was

equally as

> pointless. I called back again after another week and told her I

could no longer

> stand up or go to the bathroom on my own and was in excruciating

pain and

> could I please have something, anything... she told me, in

essence, " tell it to

> the rheumatologist. "

>

> In desperation I once resorted to taking a leftover percocet...

which did no

> good, either. I think that's when I *really* got scared. By the

time my

> rheumatology appointment rolled around I had vitually no use of any

part of my body.

> My mom had to lift me out of bed in the morning and pray that I'd

be okay all

> day while she was at work... I couldn't bear weight, couldn't move

my arms

> or legs, couldn't grip anything or make a fist... most of my joints

were huge

> and purple. In retropect I should have gone to the ER - I think

that's what

> you're supposed to do when the pain is so bad you're screaming at

the top of your

> lungs and you don't even realize it, lol - but I was so mentally

not-with-it,

> and mom was so stunned, I think, that we were tunnelvisioned on the

rheumy

> appointment.

>

> Fortunately my rheumatologist is *awesome*. She started me on

methotrexate,

> prednisone, folic acid, lasix and potassium (I too, have extreme

swelling and

> itchiness in my legs and feet. Is that an RA " thing, " a general

auto-immune

> " thing, " or just a general weirdness.... thing?).

>

> My bloodwork came back with a sed rate of 90 and I had a high RF

titer...

> don't remember how high now. I had a really horrible reaction to

the pill form of

> mtx - 7 full days of extreme nausea and fatigue - so after two

weeks of that,

> my rheumy switched me to the injectable form. Due to insurance

issues

> (again), I was just *finally* able to make the switch this past

Friday, with good

> results.... no problems with the injection itself, and the side

effects are much

> improved.

>

> At this point, I'm on 15ccs mtx, 12.5mg pred, 2.2mg Folgard, 40mg

lasix, and

> 20mcg potassium. My swelling and discoloration is largely gone, and

I'm back

> to gimping around my house where necessary. ;) I've not been

prescribed

> anything for pain, but my pain is largely controlled I suppose...

although

> considering how *much* pain I was in not so long ago I guess that's

all relative. I'm

> still sore and stiff most of the time... it's hard to tell what's

RA stiffness

> and what's CP spasticity that's being aggravated due to RA

stiffness/pain.

> This is also something my rheumatologist is trying to figure out...

we're having

> a lot of trouble trying to figure out exactly what my baseline is,

because as

> I'm sure you've deduced by now, I now think the emergence of the RA

can be

> traced back at *least* as far as college, and maybe as far as my

first bout with

> pneumonia (the latter theory is underscored by the fact that my

feet don't

> hurt hardly at all anymore, for the first time in about 8 years).

>

> I have promised my doc that if my shoulder is not pain-free by my

next

> appointment, I'm to let her inject it. I'm not thrilled about the

idea, but I *need*

> my arms. The legs have never worked all that great ;) but my arms

are not

> expendable, so I'll do whatever it takes.

>

> My latest pred taper, from 15mg to 12.5 mg this week, isn't going

so well -

> I'm having a lot more pain and stiffness and will probably have to

call my doc

> ahead of schedule to ask what she wants me to do. Is it " normal " to

have some

> trouble working down off the pred after your first major flare? I

know the

> reason my doc hasn't given me anything for pain control is because

she's trying

> to get an idea of how well the other meds are working first (again,

because of

> the CP complicating matters and because it's so hard for me to even

*remember*

> when I was last pain-free).

>

> My next visit will be on September 23, about two months from my

initial

> visit... time to ask about something specifically for pain control?

I know some of

> the fatigue is RA related and some is MTX related, but is there

anything at

> all that can be *done* about it? I've been having depression,

anxiety, panic

> attacks, insomnia and PTSD (tree falling on the house and van repo

at 3:30 am

> will do that) for a few years now and was recently referred to

mental health,

> which I still need to make an appt for... I plan to ask the rheumy

about this,

> but is there anything I should know vis-à-vis RA/RA meds and

potential

> interactions with the various meds that I might be prescribed to

get this other stuff

> under control? Does one ever get used to this " yesterday was almost

normal and

> today I've been hit by a truck " see-saw? Has anyone had any

experience or

> have any info about a possible RA/mycoplasma connection? Can anyone

tell I was

> med school bound once upon a time? ;)

>

> Apologies for going on at such great length. Looking forward to

getting to

> know you all, and I hope everyone is either doing well or headed in

the right

> direction.

>

> Meg

>

> ----

>

> " Writers aren't exactly people... they're a whole lot of people

trying to be

> one person. " - F. Fitzgerald

>

> " I've got a silly walk, and I'd like to obtain a government grant

to help me

> develop it. " - Monty Python

>

> " There are times when you can do nothing, but you must still cry

out against

> injustice. Even the very stones will cry out if you do not... " -

Bayard Rustin

>

>

>

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Hi, Meg, and nice to meet you. Sounds like you've had a tough time

of it, especially for someone your age. Finding an " awesome "

rheumatologist, though, is a great first step in getting this lousy

disease under some sort of control. I read so many posts from people

who don't trust their doctors, and with good reason. They are either

way too conservative in their treatment and do little to help their

pain OR they seem to throw everything but the kitchen sink at their

patients before they even have much of a diagnosis. I also have a

great dr, and it's made a big difference not only in how I feel

physically, but in my outlook.

One question you asked somewhere in there was about swelling and

itching in your legs. That sound like water retention to me. When I

retain fluid in my thighs, they itch like crazy. What causes it for

me is not the RA, but the meds. Prednisone and anti-inflamatories

are notorious for causing fluid retention.

> Hi everyone!

>

> I've only been lurking here for a day or two so I don't have much

of a feel

> for things here just yet, and I hope I'm not breaking with list

etiquette by

> posting before I've gotten my bearings - I'm just so glad to have

found a great

> support list!

>

> My name is Meg and I'm 22. I was officially diagnosed with RA on

July 29th...

> but in some ways, that's putting the end of the story before the

beginning.

> I'm looking for some advice/input about what's happened to me and

where I

> should be headed, so I hope you all don't mind quite a few details

about me. :)

>

> I have moderate spastic diplegic cerebral palsy and asthma. I use a

manual

> wheelchair to get around outside the house, and walk independently

inside

> (hanging onto a few things here and there). I've dealt with chronic

pain my whole

> life, have very poor circulation in my extremities and my general

stamina has

> always been less than that of my peers.

>

> When I was 14, I got a mysterious case of pneumonia that blew up

out of

> nowhere and came within about an hour of killing me - so said my

docs at the time.

> The eventual diagnosis, and it was largely one of exclusion, was

that I'd

> encountered some kind of mycoplasma. The first incident caused a

good deal of lung

> damage and my stamina took a huge hit. I remain prone to pneumonia

to this

> day, although the first four years after the initial incident were

the worst

> (about every 3 months, I would be hospitalized or nearly so). To

this day it's

> debatable whether I've ever completely gotten rid of that nasty

little bug.

>

> Not too long after the first bout with pneumonia, my feet began to

hurt

> whenever I stood for more than a minute or so. I have pins still in

my feet from a

> reconstructive foot surgery when I was 12, so I assumed it was the

fact that I

> had big metal spikes in my feet. :) Nothing else ever crossed my

mind...

>

> Also from that point, my fatigue was almost constant. Just going to

school

> wiped me out, and I started napping every afternoon. I was tested

for

> *everything* - anemia, mono, etc... everything but RA. Again, RA

never crossed my

> mind...

>

> I graduated and went to college at age 16 (fall of 98). The campus

was not as

> accessible as I'd been led to believe, the staff were anything but

> accommodating, the campus was nothing but hills, and I was very

quickly extremely ill

> and exhausted beyond belief. My grades started to slip, the

administration

> panicked because they thought I might sue, and... long story short,

I was forced

> out. (I'm well aware that's illegal. Almost immediately after I had

to leave

> school, my parents went through a very acrimonious divorce and we

ran out of

> money to pay lawyers. Then my mom lost her job [and therefore our

health

> insurance] and was unemployed for a year and a half... we had our

van repossessed, a

> tree fall on the house, and the house repossessed. School - and

unfortunately,

> my health - has been taking a backseat to trying to keep a roof

over our heads

> and food on the table.)

>

> During all of these lovely festivities, I noticed my stamina

plunging even

> further and my overall pain levels increasing. At first I

attributed it to

> depression (which I'm very prone to). When the winter of 2002 found

me spending 15+

> hours curled up on my waterbed and crying from the pain, I started

doing some

> research and found that people with CP are prone to advanced joint

> deterioration due to the " wrong " ways we move. I assumed I'd solved

the mystery and

> resigned myself to living with the pain and, eventually, on mild

narcotics like a

> lot of my 20-something friends with CP.

>

> Meanwhile I was battling with Medicaid to try to get insurance

coverage

> again... I had already qualified due to my disability, but typical

government mind

> games were prevailing as far as my actually getting the all-

important card in

> hand, and I was getting mentally and emotionally worn out, with all

the other

> stress around.

>

> In February, I tripped and fell - not an unusual occurrence, but I

> over-corrected on the way down and landed hard on my left shoulder.

It was incredibly

> painful for about two weeks, and then seemed to be healing... and

then seemed to

> get worse again. By mid-March I was losing range of motion. I got

Medicaid

> sorted out and it took another month to find a doc who would take

Medicaid (yay

> for state budget cuts!). I finally got an appointment for June.

>

> It was about late April when the pain exploded. My feet hurt all

the time, my

> knees and hips hurt and felt " frozen, " my shoulder was killing me

(and then

> the *right* shoulder started hurting almost as bad as the left).

One night I

> took some notes on a post-it note and went to bed. When I got up

the next

> morning, my right hand was twice as big as my right. I began to

have trouble getting

> out of bed, and spent as much time as possible in my chair, even in

the

> house.

>

> The GP I went to see was nice but not altogether with it. She

decided none of

> my joints were hot, discolored or swollen, and that I had " general

arthralgia

> due to CP, " and basically told me to take some naproxen and suck it

up. She

> did, thank God, run a few blood tests. My sed rate and a few other

things came

> back slightly elevated so I was referred to rheumatology, whose

soonest

> appointment was a month and a half later.

>

> The time between appointments was a complete hell. I was taking

flat out

> *dangerous* amounts of OTC NSAIDs with no effect. I called the GP

back after a

> week and begged for something stronger. I got diclofenac, which was

equally as

> pointless. I called back again after another week and told her I

could no longer

> stand up or go to the bathroom on my own and was in excruciating

pain and

> could I please have something, anything... she told me, in

essence, " tell it to

> the rheumatologist. "

>

> In desperation I once resorted to taking a leftover percocet...

which did no

> good, either. I think that's when I *really* got scared. By the

time my

> rheumatology appointment rolled around I had vitually no use of any

part of my body.

> My mom had to lift me out of bed in the morning and pray that I'd

be okay all

> day while she was at work... I couldn't bear weight, couldn't move

my arms

> or legs, couldn't grip anything or make a fist... most of my joints

were huge

> and purple. In retropect I should have gone to the ER - I think

that's what

> you're supposed to do when the pain is so bad you're screaming at

the top of your

> lungs and you don't even realize it, lol - but I was so mentally

not-with-it,

> and mom was so stunned, I think, that we were tunnelvisioned on the

rheumy

> appointment.

>

> Fortunately my rheumatologist is *awesome*. She started me on

methotrexate,

> prednisone, folic acid, lasix and potassium (I too, have extreme

swelling and

> itchiness in my legs and feet. Is that an RA " thing, " a general

auto-immune

> " thing, " or just a general weirdness.... thing?).

>

> My bloodwork came back with a sed rate of 90 and I had a high RF

titer...

> don't remember how high now. I had a really horrible reaction to

the pill form of

> mtx - 7 full days of extreme nausea and fatigue - so after two

weeks of that,

> my rheumy switched me to the injectable form. Due to insurance

issues

> (again), I was just *finally* able to make the switch this past

Friday, with good

> results.... no problems with the injection itself, and the side

effects are much

> improved.

>

> At this point, I'm on 15ccs mtx, 12.5mg pred, 2.2mg Folgard, 40mg

lasix, and

> 20mcg potassium. My swelling and discoloration is largely gone, and

I'm back

> to gimping around my house where necessary. ;) I've not been

prescribed

> anything for pain, but my pain is largely controlled I suppose...

although

> considering how *much* pain I was in not so long ago I guess that's

all relative. I'm

> still sore and stiff most of the time... it's hard to tell what's

RA stiffness

> and what's CP spasticity that's being aggravated due to RA

stiffness/pain.

> This is also something my rheumatologist is trying to figure out...

we're having

> a lot of trouble trying to figure out exactly what my baseline is,

because as

> I'm sure you've deduced by now, I now think the emergence of the RA

can be

> traced back at *least* as far as college, and maybe as far as my

first bout with

> pneumonia (the latter theory is underscored by the fact that my

feet don't

> hurt hardly at all anymore, for the first time in about 8 years).

>

> I have promised my doc that if my shoulder is not pain-free by my

next

> appointment, I'm to let her inject it. I'm not thrilled about the

idea, but I *need*

> my arms. The legs have never worked all that great ;) but my arms

are not

> expendable, so I'll do whatever it takes.

>

> My latest pred taper, from 15mg to 12.5 mg this week, isn't going

so well -

> I'm having a lot more pain and stiffness and will probably have to

call my doc

> ahead of schedule to ask what she wants me to do. Is it " normal " to

have some

> trouble working down off the pred after your first major flare? I

know the

> reason my doc hasn't given me anything for pain control is because

she's trying

> to get an idea of how well the other meds are working first (again,

because of

> the CP complicating matters and because it's so hard for me to even

*remember*

> when I was last pain-free).

>

> My next visit will be on September 23, about two months from my

initial

> visit... time to ask about something specifically for pain control?

I know some of

> the fatigue is RA related and some is MTX related, but is there

anything at

> all that can be *done* about it? I've been having depression,

anxiety, panic

> attacks, insomnia and PTSD (tree falling on the house and van repo

at 3:30 am

> will do that) for a few years now and was recently referred to

mental health,

> which I still need to make an appt for... I plan to ask the rheumy

about this,

> but is there anything I should know vis-à-vis RA/RA meds and

potential

> interactions with the various meds that I might be prescribed to

get this other stuff

> under control? Does one ever get used to this " yesterday was almost

normal and

> today I've been hit by a truck " see-saw? Has anyone had any

experience or

> have any info about a possible RA/mycoplasma connection? Can anyone

tell I was

> med school bound once upon a time? ;)

>

> Apologies for going on at such great length. Looking forward to

getting to

> know you all, and I hope everyone is either doing well or headed in

the right

> direction.

>

> Meg

>

> ----

>

> " Writers aren't exactly people... they're a whole lot of people

trying to be

> one person. " - F. Fitzgerald

>

> " I've got a silly walk, and I'd like to obtain a government grant

to help me

> develop it. " - Monty Python

>

> " There are times when you can do nothing, but you must still cry

out against

> injustice. Even the very stones will cry out if you do not... " -

Bayard Rustin

>

>

>

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Hi Meg, and welcome to the group!

I'm Judi, 58, and while I don't have RA, I do have a mild form of CP,

and I was interested in your comment about the " wrong ways we move. "

I guess I never gave it much thought, but I sure have had my share of

falls in my lifetime, and my knees and elbows have the scars to prove

it. I have Dercum's Disease (adiposis dolorosa) which is like

fibromyalgia, but add in hundreds of very painful lipomas all over my

body which are rapidly affecting movement of most of my joints except

for those in my fingers and toes. I walk with a cane outside of the

house, but have started using the cane to go up and down stairs in

the house, and out in the yard. Wondering how long I will be able to

manage with the cane as it hurts my elbows to bear weight on the

cane, and I have to switch arms depending on which hip hurts the

worst. I'm a wife (28 years this Sunday) and grandmother (daughter

has a 4-year old son and 18-month old triplets, and she is studying

to be a minister.)

This is a great group, and I'm glad you found us!

Judi

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Hi Meg, and welcome to the group!

I'm Judi, 58, and while I don't have RA, I do have a mild form of CP,

and I was interested in your comment about the " wrong ways we move. "

I guess I never gave it much thought, but I sure have had my share of

falls in my lifetime, and my knees and elbows have the scars to prove

it. I have Dercum's Disease (adiposis dolorosa) which is like

fibromyalgia, but add in hundreds of very painful lipomas all over my

body which are rapidly affecting movement of most of my joints except

for those in my fingers and toes. I walk with a cane outside of the

house, but have started using the cane to go up and down stairs in

the house, and out in the yard. Wondering how long I will be able to

manage with the cane as it hurts my elbows to bear weight on the

cane, and I have to switch arms depending on which hip hurts the

worst. I'm a wife (28 years this Sunday) and grandmother (daughter

has a 4-year old son and 18-month old triplets, and she is studying

to be a minister.)

This is a great group, and I'm glad you found us!

Judi

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Hi Meg, Would like to welcome you to the group. I see everyone has

given some great advice, their amazing. You are such a young person

to deal with so much, your strong that's for sure. I will keep you

on my prayer list, and hope you enjoy the group, T

> Hi everyone!

>

> I've only been lurking here for a day or two so I don't have much

of a feel

> for things here just yet, and I hope I'm not breaking with list

etiquette by

> posting before I've gotten my bearings - I'm just so glad to have

found a great

> support list!

>

> My name is Meg and I'm 22. I was officially diagnosed with RA on

July 29th...

> but in some ways, that's putting the end of the story before the

beginning.

> I'm looking for some advice/input about what's happened to me and

where I

> should be headed, so I hope you all don't mind quite a few details

about me. :)

>

> I have moderate spastic diplegic cerebral palsy and asthma. I use a

manual

> wheelchair to get around outside the house, and walk independently

inside

> (hanging onto a few things here and there). I've dealt with chronic

pain my whole

> life, have very poor circulation in my extremities and my general

stamina has

> always been less than that of my peers.

>

> When I was 14, I got a mysterious case of pneumonia that blew up

out of

> nowhere and came within about an hour of killing me - so said my

docs at the time.

> The eventual diagnosis, and it was largely one of exclusion, was

that I'd

> encountered some kind of mycoplasma. The first incident caused a

good deal of lung

> damage and my stamina took a huge hit. I remain prone to pneumonia

to this

> day, although the first four years after the initial incident were

the worst

> (about every 3 months, I would be hospitalized or nearly so). To

this day it's

> debatable whether I've ever completely gotten rid of that nasty

little bug.

>

> Not too long after the first bout with pneumonia, my feet began to

hurt

> whenever I stood for more than a minute or so. I have pins still in

my feet from a

> reconstructive foot surgery when I was 12, so I assumed it was the

fact that I

> had big metal spikes in my feet. :) Nothing else ever crossed my

mind...

>

> Also from that point, my fatigue was almost constant. Just going to

school

> wiped me out, and I started napping every afternoon. I was tested

for

> *everything* - anemia, mono, etc... everything but RA. Again, RA

never crossed my

> mind...

>

> I graduated and went to college at age 16 (fall of 98). The campus

was not as

> accessible as I'd been led to believe, the staff were anything but

> accommodating, the campus was nothing but hills, and I was very

quickly extremely ill

> and exhausted beyond belief. My grades started to slip, the

administration

> panicked because they thought I might sue, and... long story short,

I was forced

> out. (I'm well aware that's illegal. Almost immediately after I had

to leave

> school, my parents went through a very acrimonious divorce and we

ran out of

> money to pay lawyers. Then my mom lost her job [and therefore our

health

> insurance] and was unemployed for a year and a half... we had our

van repossessed, a

> tree fall on the house, and the house repossessed. School - and

unfortunately,

> my health - has been taking a backseat to trying to keep a roof

over our heads

> and food on the table.)

>

> During all of these lovely festivities, I noticed my stamina

plunging even

> further and my overall pain levels increasing. At first I

attributed it to

> depression (which I'm very prone to). When the winter of 2002 found

me spending 15+

> hours curled up on my waterbed and crying from the pain, I started

doing some

> research and found that people with CP are prone to advanced joint

> deterioration due to the " wrong " ways we move. I assumed I'd solved

the mystery and

> resigned myself to living with the pain and, eventually, on mild

narcotics like a

> lot of my 20-something friends with CP.

>

> Meanwhile I was battling with Medicaid to try to get insurance

coverage

> again... I had already qualified due to my disability, but typical

government mind

> games were prevailing as far as my actually getting the all-

important card in

> hand, and I was getting mentally and emotionally worn out, with all

the other

> stress around.

>

> In February, I tripped and fell - not an unusual occurrence, but I

> over-corrected on the way down and landed hard on my left shoulder.

It was incredibly

> painful for about two weeks, and then seemed to be healing... and

then seemed to

> get worse again. By mid-March I was losing range of motion. I got

Medicaid

> sorted out and it took another month to find a doc who would take

Medicaid (yay

> for state budget cuts!). I finally got an appointment for June.

>

> It was about late April when the pain exploded. My feet hurt all

the time, my

> knees and hips hurt and felt " frozen, " my shoulder was killing me

(and then

> the *right* shoulder started hurting almost as bad as the left).

One night I

> took some notes on a post-it note and went to bed. When I got up

the next

> morning, my right hand was twice as big as my right. I began to

have trouble getting

> out of bed, and spent as much time as possible in my chair, even in

the

> house.

>

> The GP I went to see was nice but not altogether with it. She

decided none of

> my joints were hot, discolored or swollen, and that I had " general

arthralgia

> due to CP, " and basically told me to take some naproxen and suck it

up. She

> did, thank God, run a few blood tests. My sed rate and a few other

things came

> back slightly elevated so I was referred to rheumatology, whose

soonest

> appointment was a month and a half later.

>

> The time between appointments was a complete hell. I was taking

flat out

> *dangerous* amounts of OTC NSAIDs with no effect. I called the GP

back after a

> week and begged for something stronger. I got diclofenac, which was

equally as

> pointless. I called back again after another week and told her I

could no longer

> stand up or go to the bathroom on my own and was in excruciating

pain and

> could I please have something, anything... she told me, in

essence, " tell it to

> the rheumatologist. "

>

> In desperation I once resorted to taking a leftover percocet...

which did no

> good, either. I think that's when I *really* got scared. By the

time my

> rheumatology appointment rolled around I had vitually no use of any

part of my body.

> My mom had to lift me out of bed in the morning and pray that I'd

be okay all

> day while she was at work... I couldn't bear weight, couldn't move

my arms

> or legs, couldn't grip anything or make a fist... most of my joints

were huge

> and purple. In retropect I should have gone to the ER - I think

that's what

> you're supposed to do when the pain is so bad you're screaming at

the top of your

> lungs and you don't even realize it, lol - but I was so mentally

not-with-it,

> and mom was so stunned, I think, that we were tunnelvisioned on the

rheumy

> appointment.

>

> Fortunately my rheumatologist is *awesome*. She started me on

methotrexate,

> prednisone, folic acid, lasix and potassium (I too, have extreme

swelling and

> itchiness in my legs and feet. Is that an RA " thing, " a general

auto-immune

> " thing, " or just a general weirdness.... thing?).

>

> My bloodwork came back with a sed rate of 90 and I had a high RF

titer...

> don't remember how high now. I had a really horrible reaction to

the pill form of

> mtx - 7 full days of extreme nausea and fatigue - so after two

weeks of that,

> my rheumy switched me to the injectable form. Due to insurance

issues

> (again), I was just *finally* able to make the switch this past

Friday, with good

> results.... no problems with the injection itself, and the side

effects are much

> improved.

>

> At this point, I'm on 15ccs mtx, 12.5mg pred, 2.2mg Folgard, 40mg

lasix, and

> 20mcg potassium. My swelling and discoloration is largely gone, and

I'm back

> to gimping around my house where necessary. ;) I've not been

prescribed

> anything for pain, but my pain is largely controlled I suppose...

although

> considering how *much* pain I was in not so long ago I guess that's

all relative. I'm

> still sore and stiff most of the time... it's hard to tell what's

RA stiffness

> and what's CP spasticity that's being aggravated due to RA

stiffness/pain.

> This is also something my rheumatologist is trying to figure out...

we're having

> a lot of trouble trying to figure out exactly what my baseline is,

because as

> I'm sure you've deduced by now, I now think the emergence of the RA

can be

> traced back at *least* as far as college, and maybe as far as my

first bout with

> pneumonia (the latter theory is underscored by the fact that my

feet don't

> hurt hardly at all anymore, for the first time in about 8 years).

>

> I have promised my doc that if my shoulder is not pain-free by my

next

> appointment, I'm to let her inject it. I'm not thrilled about the

idea, but I *need*

> my arms. The legs have never worked all that great ;) but my arms

are not

> expendable, so I'll do whatever it takes.

>

> My latest pred taper, from 15mg to 12.5 mg this week, isn't going

so well -

> I'm having a lot more pain and stiffness and will probably have to

call my doc

> ahead of schedule to ask what she wants me to do. Is it " normal " to

have some

> trouble working down off the pred after your first major flare? I

know the

> reason my doc hasn't given me anything for pain control is because

she's trying

> to get an idea of how well the other meds are working first (again,

because of

> the CP complicating matters and because it's so hard for me to even

*remember*

> when I was last pain-free).

>

> My next visit will be on September 23, about two months from my

initial

> visit... time to ask about something specifically for pain control?

I know some of

> the fatigue is RA related and some is MTX related, but is there

anything at

> all that can be *done* about it? I've been having depression,

anxiety, panic

> attacks, insomnia and PTSD (tree falling on the house and van repo

at 3:30 am

> will do that) for a few years now and was recently referred to

mental health,

> which I still need to make an appt for... I plan to ask the rheumy

about this,

> but is there anything I should know vis-à-vis RA/RA meds and

potential

> interactions with the various meds that I might be prescribed to

get this other stuff

> under control? Does one ever get used to this " yesterday was almost

normal and

> today I've been hit by a truck " see-saw? Has anyone had any

experience or

> have any info about a possible RA/mycoplasma connection? Can anyone

tell I was

> med school bound once upon a time? ;)

>

> Apologies for going on at such great length. Looking forward to

getting to

> know you all, and I hope everyone is either doing well or headed in

the right

> direction.

>

> Meg

>

> ----

>

> " Writers aren't exactly people... they're a whole lot of people

trying to be

> one person. " - F. Fitzgerald

>

> " I've got a silly walk, and I'd like to obtain a government grant

to help me

> develop it. " - Monty Python

>

> " There are times when you can do nothing, but you must still cry

out against

> injustice. Even the very stones will cry out if you do not... " -

Bayard Rustin

>

>

>

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Hi Meg, Would like to welcome you to the group. I see everyone has

given some great advice, their amazing. You are such a young person

to deal with so much, your strong that's for sure. I will keep you

on my prayer list, and hope you enjoy the group, T

> Hi everyone!

>

> I've only been lurking here for a day or two so I don't have much

of a feel

> for things here just yet, and I hope I'm not breaking with list

etiquette by

> posting before I've gotten my bearings - I'm just so glad to have

found a great

> support list!

>

> My name is Meg and I'm 22. I was officially diagnosed with RA on

July 29th...

> but in some ways, that's putting the end of the story before the

beginning.

> I'm looking for some advice/input about what's happened to me and

where I

> should be headed, so I hope you all don't mind quite a few details

about me. :)

>

> I have moderate spastic diplegic cerebral palsy and asthma. I use a

manual

> wheelchair to get around outside the house, and walk independently

inside

> (hanging onto a few things here and there). I've dealt with chronic

pain my whole

> life, have very poor circulation in my extremities and my general

stamina has

> always been less than that of my peers.

>

> When I was 14, I got a mysterious case of pneumonia that blew up

out of

> nowhere and came within about an hour of killing me - so said my

docs at the time.

> The eventual diagnosis, and it was largely one of exclusion, was

that I'd

> encountered some kind of mycoplasma. The first incident caused a

good deal of lung

> damage and my stamina took a huge hit. I remain prone to pneumonia

to this

> day, although the first four years after the initial incident were

the worst

> (about every 3 months, I would be hospitalized or nearly so). To

this day it's

> debatable whether I've ever completely gotten rid of that nasty

little bug.

>

> Not too long after the first bout with pneumonia, my feet began to

hurt

> whenever I stood for more than a minute or so. I have pins still in

my feet from a

> reconstructive foot surgery when I was 12, so I assumed it was the

fact that I

> had big metal spikes in my feet. :) Nothing else ever crossed my

mind...

>

> Also from that point, my fatigue was almost constant. Just going to

school

> wiped me out, and I started napping every afternoon. I was tested

for

> *everything* - anemia, mono, etc... everything but RA. Again, RA

never crossed my

> mind...

>

> I graduated and went to college at age 16 (fall of 98). The campus

was not as

> accessible as I'd been led to believe, the staff were anything but

> accommodating, the campus was nothing but hills, and I was very

quickly extremely ill

> and exhausted beyond belief. My grades started to slip, the

administration

> panicked because they thought I might sue, and... long story short,

I was forced

> out. (I'm well aware that's illegal. Almost immediately after I had

to leave

> school, my parents went through a very acrimonious divorce and we

ran out of

> money to pay lawyers. Then my mom lost her job [and therefore our

health

> insurance] and was unemployed for a year and a half... we had our

van repossessed, a

> tree fall on the house, and the house repossessed. School - and

unfortunately,

> my health - has been taking a backseat to trying to keep a roof

over our heads

> and food on the table.)

>

> During all of these lovely festivities, I noticed my stamina

plunging even

> further and my overall pain levels increasing. At first I

attributed it to

> depression (which I'm very prone to). When the winter of 2002 found

me spending 15+

> hours curled up on my waterbed and crying from the pain, I started

doing some

> research and found that people with CP are prone to advanced joint

> deterioration due to the " wrong " ways we move. I assumed I'd solved

the mystery and

> resigned myself to living with the pain and, eventually, on mild

narcotics like a

> lot of my 20-something friends with CP.

>

> Meanwhile I was battling with Medicaid to try to get insurance

coverage

> again... I had already qualified due to my disability, but typical

government mind

> games were prevailing as far as my actually getting the all-

important card in

> hand, and I was getting mentally and emotionally worn out, with all

the other

> stress around.

>

> In February, I tripped and fell - not an unusual occurrence, but I

> over-corrected on the way down and landed hard on my left shoulder.

It was incredibly

> painful for about two weeks, and then seemed to be healing... and

then seemed to

> get worse again. By mid-March I was losing range of motion. I got

Medicaid

> sorted out and it took another month to find a doc who would take

Medicaid (yay

> for state budget cuts!). I finally got an appointment for June.

>

> It was about late April when the pain exploded. My feet hurt all

the time, my

> knees and hips hurt and felt " frozen, " my shoulder was killing me

(and then

> the *right* shoulder started hurting almost as bad as the left).

One night I

> took some notes on a post-it note and went to bed. When I got up

the next

> morning, my right hand was twice as big as my right. I began to

have trouble getting

> out of bed, and spent as much time as possible in my chair, even in

the

> house.

>

> The GP I went to see was nice but not altogether with it. She

decided none of

> my joints were hot, discolored or swollen, and that I had " general

arthralgia

> due to CP, " and basically told me to take some naproxen and suck it

up. She

> did, thank God, run a few blood tests. My sed rate and a few other

things came

> back slightly elevated so I was referred to rheumatology, whose

soonest

> appointment was a month and a half later.

>

> The time between appointments was a complete hell. I was taking

flat out

> *dangerous* amounts of OTC NSAIDs with no effect. I called the GP

back after a

> week and begged for something stronger. I got diclofenac, which was

equally as

> pointless. I called back again after another week and told her I

could no longer

> stand up or go to the bathroom on my own and was in excruciating

pain and

> could I please have something, anything... she told me, in

essence, " tell it to

> the rheumatologist. "

>

> In desperation I once resorted to taking a leftover percocet...

which did no

> good, either. I think that's when I *really* got scared. By the

time my

> rheumatology appointment rolled around I had vitually no use of any

part of my body.

> My mom had to lift me out of bed in the morning and pray that I'd

be okay all

> day while she was at work... I couldn't bear weight, couldn't move

my arms

> or legs, couldn't grip anything or make a fist... most of my joints

were huge

> and purple. In retropect I should have gone to the ER - I think

that's what

> you're supposed to do when the pain is so bad you're screaming at

the top of your

> lungs and you don't even realize it, lol - but I was so mentally

not-with-it,

> and mom was so stunned, I think, that we were tunnelvisioned on the

rheumy

> appointment.

>

> Fortunately my rheumatologist is *awesome*. She started me on

methotrexate,

> prednisone, folic acid, lasix and potassium (I too, have extreme

swelling and

> itchiness in my legs and feet. Is that an RA " thing, " a general

auto-immune

> " thing, " or just a general weirdness.... thing?).

>

> My bloodwork came back with a sed rate of 90 and I had a high RF

titer...

> don't remember how high now. I had a really horrible reaction to

the pill form of

> mtx - 7 full days of extreme nausea and fatigue - so after two

weeks of that,

> my rheumy switched me to the injectable form. Due to insurance

issues

> (again), I was just *finally* able to make the switch this past

Friday, with good

> results.... no problems with the injection itself, and the side

effects are much

> improved.

>

> At this point, I'm on 15ccs mtx, 12.5mg pred, 2.2mg Folgard, 40mg

lasix, and

> 20mcg potassium. My swelling and discoloration is largely gone, and

I'm back

> to gimping around my house where necessary. ;) I've not been

prescribed

> anything for pain, but my pain is largely controlled I suppose...

although

> considering how *much* pain I was in not so long ago I guess that's

all relative. I'm

> still sore and stiff most of the time... it's hard to tell what's

RA stiffness

> and what's CP spasticity that's being aggravated due to RA

stiffness/pain.

> This is also something my rheumatologist is trying to figure out...

we're having

> a lot of trouble trying to figure out exactly what my baseline is,

because as

> I'm sure you've deduced by now, I now think the emergence of the RA

can be

> traced back at *least* as far as college, and maybe as far as my

first bout with

> pneumonia (the latter theory is underscored by the fact that my

feet don't

> hurt hardly at all anymore, for the first time in about 8 years).

>

> I have promised my doc that if my shoulder is not pain-free by my

next

> appointment, I'm to let her inject it. I'm not thrilled about the

idea, but I *need*

> my arms. The legs have never worked all that great ;) but my arms

are not

> expendable, so I'll do whatever it takes.

>

> My latest pred taper, from 15mg to 12.5 mg this week, isn't going

so well -

> I'm having a lot more pain and stiffness and will probably have to

call my doc

> ahead of schedule to ask what she wants me to do. Is it " normal " to

have some

> trouble working down off the pred after your first major flare? I

know the

> reason my doc hasn't given me anything for pain control is because

she's trying

> to get an idea of how well the other meds are working first (again,

because of

> the CP complicating matters and because it's so hard for me to even

*remember*

> when I was last pain-free).

>

> My next visit will be on September 23, about two months from my

initial

> visit... time to ask about something specifically for pain control?

I know some of

> the fatigue is RA related and some is MTX related, but is there

anything at

> all that can be *done* about it? I've been having depression,

anxiety, panic

> attacks, insomnia and PTSD (tree falling on the house and van repo

at 3:30 am

> will do that) for a few years now and was recently referred to

mental health,

> which I still need to make an appt for... I plan to ask the rheumy

about this,

> but is there anything I should know vis-à-vis RA/RA meds and

potential

> interactions with the various meds that I might be prescribed to

get this other stuff

> under control? Does one ever get used to this " yesterday was almost

normal and

> today I've been hit by a truck " see-saw? Has anyone had any

experience or

> have any info about a possible RA/mycoplasma connection? Can anyone

tell I was

> med school bound once upon a time? ;)

>

> Apologies for going on at such great length. Looking forward to

getting to

> know you all, and I hope everyone is either doing well or headed in

the right

> direction.

>

> Meg

>

> ----

>

> " Writers aren't exactly people... they're a whole lot of people

trying to be

> one person. " - F. Fitzgerald

>

> " I've got a silly walk, and I'd like to obtain a government grant

to help me

> develop it. " - Monty Python

>

> " There are times when you can do nothing, but you must still cry

out against

> injustice. Even the very stones will cry out if you do not... " -

Bayard Rustin

>

>

>

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Hi Jennie (and all),

Thanks for your reply. I'm definitely finding this group very helpful in

coming to grips with my diagnosis... the straight medical stuff I can handle

pretty well (I've always been a big med-geek!), but I'm lacking in the general

support and personal anecdotes sense, which this list is helping with.

<< It sounds like the drugs you've started on are working well, but maybe not

quite well enough.  That is common after being initially diagnosed.  Your

rheumy will try something, see how it works, modify the meds if it doesn't. 

It's

trial and error, and it's necessary because everyone's RA is different and

nobody reacts the same to the same medications. >>

Right. This is the impression I've gotten from my rheumy... I'm just

impatient! :)

<< It's not always necessary to be on pain meds with RA.  It varies person to

person. >>

I assumed as much. I agree that it probably wouldn't be a good idea to risk

masking the pain with pain meds at this stage in my treatment - which is, I

think, why my rheumy hasn't even brought it up. I'm just a little nervous

because

neither of us is entirely sure yet what's RA-related (i.e. largely treatable)

and what's CP-related (i.e. largely not). My rheumy, fantastic though she is,

doesn't have much experience with people with CP, and *I* don't have too much

experience with RA yet, so we're still feeling out those issues together. The

two conditions are entirely independent of one another, and I'm guessing the

co-existence of them isn't terribly common as I haven't stumbled on anyone

with both yet, so I'm not sure how much of the whole pain control question is

really answerable from anyone's standpoint but my own. In an ideal world I'd

love

to be completely under control with no pain meds whatsoever - and maybe

that's possible. Right now though, as I'm beginning to recognize how the CP and

RA

are *feeding* each other (spasticity/pain/ RA flare/spasticity/etc)... I'm

trying to remain open to the idea that I may need meds other than " just " RA meds

- while at the same time not resigning myself to anything.

<< So this could be the next step for you if the mtx isn't enough. >>

I still have some wiggle room with my mtx dosage (only on .6 ccs/15mg right

now) and it does seem to be kicking in, so I have a feeling I may okay on that

for now, once my dose gets adjusted. It's nice to be here and already gleaning

opinions and information about the other drugs out there though.

<< Which brings me to the hit-by-a-truck syndrome.  Very common.  You will

know when your RA is under control because when that is no longer happening to

you. >>

In which case, I have a *long* way to go, lol. But it's nice to be able to

connect it to the RA and stop berating myself for being " lazy " and similar.

<< I've never been on a prednisone taper.  I've had a steady low dose since

before being officially diagnosed, but cutting down on prednisone is always a

challenge.  >>

This is one of those things that I'm not thrilled to hear but glad to know...

I'd just assumed that I'd be able to come off eventually, but the more I

read, the more I get the impression that that's not necessarily the case. I've

had

a love/hate relationship with pred for twenty years due to severe asthma so I

guess this'll just escalate the love and the hate to the next level. ;)

<< I assume when you say your rheumy is going to inject your shoulder, you

mean a cortisone injection.  >>

Yes - sorry, my fingers still tend to get ahead of my brain it seems... as I

said, I'm not looking forward to it, but I have a good feeling that a

cortisone injection will remedy what's left of the problem. From now on the

trick will

be trying not to fall it again...

<< Did your rheumy order x-rays?  This is to assess any joint damage.  You

will want to know if you have any joint damage now since you have probably had

undiagnosed RA for years.  Then you will have a baseline to compare any future

x-rays and joint damage against. >>

As of right now I've just had chest x-rays (pre-mtx, so the rheumy could get

a good look at my existing lung damage in case of future problems), and

bilateral shoulder x-rays. I have a feeling more are in store - getting any

x-rays

from me is something of an undertaking since I could never move/stand/hold

still all that well *before* the RA dx, and none of that has gotten any better!

So

I think the rheumy is trying to space them out a bit - for the sake of both

my stamina and the sanity of the poor x-ray techs...

Thanks for the welcome!

Meg

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Hi Jennie (and all),

Thanks for your reply. I'm definitely finding this group very helpful in

coming to grips with my diagnosis... the straight medical stuff I can handle

pretty well (I've always been a big med-geek!), but I'm lacking in the general

support and personal anecdotes sense, which this list is helping with.

<< It sounds like the drugs you've started on are working well, but maybe not

quite well enough.  That is common after being initially diagnosed.  Your

rheumy will try something, see how it works, modify the meds if it doesn't. 

It's

trial and error, and it's necessary because everyone's RA is different and

nobody reacts the same to the same medications. >>

Right. This is the impression I've gotten from my rheumy... I'm just

impatient! :)

<< It's not always necessary to be on pain meds with RA.  It varies person to

person. >>

I assumed as much. I agree that it probably wouldn't be a good idea to risk

masking the pain with pain meds at this stage in my treatment - which is, I

think, why my rheumy hasn't even brought it up. I'm just a little nervous

because

neither of us is entirely sure yet what's RA-related (i.e. largely treatable)

and what's CP-related (i.e. largely not). My rheumy, fantastic though she is,

doesn't have much experience with people with CP, and *I* don't have too much

experience with RA yet, so we're still feeling out those issues together. The

two conditions are entirely independent of one another, and I'm guessing the

co-existence of them isn't terribly common as I haven't stumbled on anyone

with both yet, so I'm not sure how much of the whole pain control question is

really answerable from anyone's standpoint but my own. In an ideal world I'd

love

to be completely under control with no pain meds whatsoever - and maybe

that's possible. Right now though, as I'm beginning to recognize how the CP and

RA

are *feeding* each other (spasticity/pain/ RA flare/spasticity/etc)... I'm

trying to remain open to the idea that I may need meds other than " just " RA meds

- while at the same time not resigning myself to anything.

<< So this could be the next step for you if the mtx isn't enough. >>

I still have some wiggle room with my mtx dosage (only on .6 ccs/15mg right

now) and it does seem to be kicking in, so I have a feeling I may okay on that

for now, once my dose gets adjusted. It's nice to be here and already gleaning

opinions and information about the other drugs out there though.

<< Which brings me to the hit-by-a-truck syndrome.  Very common.  You will

know when your RA is under control because when that is no longer happening to

you. >>

In which case, I have a *long* way to go, lol. But it's nice to be able to

connect it to the RA and stop berating myself for being " lazy " and similar.

<< I've never been on a prednisone taper.  I've had a steady low dose since

before being officially diagnosed, but cutting down on prednisone is always a

challenge.  >>

This is one of those things that I'm not thrilled to hear but glad to know...

I'd just assumed that I'd be able to come off eventually, but the more I

read, the more I get the impression that that's not necessarily the case. I've

had

a love/hate relationship with pred for twenty years due to severe asthma so I

guess this'll just escalate the love and the hate to the next level. ;)

<< I assume when you say your rheumy is going to inject your shoulder, you

mean a cortisone injection.  >>

Yes - sorry, my fingers still tend to get ahead of my brain it seems... as I

said, I'm not looking forward to it, but I have a good feeling that a

cortisone injection will remedy what's left of the problem. From now on the

trick will

be trying not to fall it again...

<< Did your rheumy order x-rays?  This is to assess any joint damage.  You

will want to know if you have any joint damage now since you have probably had

undiagnosed RA for years.  Then you will have a baseline to compare any future

x-rays and joint damage against. >>

As of right now I've just had chest x-rays (pre-mtx, so the rheumy could get

a good look at my existing lung damage in case of future problems), and

bilateral shoulder x-rays. I have a feeling more are in store - getting any

x-rays

from me is something of an undertaking since I could never move/stand/hold

still all that well *before* the RA dx, and none of that has gotten any better!

So

I think the rheumy is trying to space them out a bit - for the sake of both

my stamina and the sanity of the poor x-ray techs...

Thanks for the welcome!

Meg

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Hi ,

Thanks for the legal advice. I'm not worried about Ox or Emory, et al. suing

*me* - they wouldn't be able to get anything out of me anyway! They've turned

me over to collections of course, and I'm working on trying to get all of that

straightened out (and off my credit record) - especially since I was 16, not

emancipated, and forced to sign a loan with no witnesses signatures

attached.... (when I questioned this at the time, I was told " you're in college

now,

sweetheart. " ..... and that makes me of legal age *how* exactly?) Anyway, it's a

huge mess but I'm wading through. I keep getting people telling me *I* should

sue *them* (i.e. Emory), but even if I could find probono help, saying " hey,

you wanna help me sue Emory? " in Georgia is like saying " hey, you wanna help me

sue U of M? " up there.... Emory is one of *the* law schools of the south (you

probably know that), and therefore most lawyers I've talked to are hot for a

discrimination suit... until I say " Emory, " at which point they quickly decide

they can't take any new cases. ;) I really don't have the energy yet to tackle

what a case against Emory would entail, so I really don't feel comfortable

asking a lawyer to put in all that time and effort for me until I'm in better

shape.

That said, I may have a line on a local lawyer here who has.... shall we say

a vested interest(?) in bringing Emory to justice... a sixth time. (Funny, no

one ever told me Emory has *always* been rampantly noncompliant with ADA

regs....) we shall see.

Nice to see a fellow Michigander, btw. Born in Grand Rapids myself. :)

Thanks again for your help, and for the welcome.

Meg

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Hi ,

Thanks for the legal advice. I'm not worried about Ox or Emory, et al. suing

*me* - they wouldn't be able to get anything out of me anyway! They've turned

me over to collections of course, and I'm working on trying to get all of that

straightened out (and off my credit record) - especially since I was 16, not

emancipated, and forced to sign a loan with no witnesses signatures

attached.... (when I questioned this at the time, I was told " you're in college

now,

sweetheart. " ..... and that makes me of legal age *how* exactly?) Anyway, it's a

huge mess but I'm wading through. I keep getting people telling me *I* should

sue *them* (i.e. Emory), but even if I could find probono help, saying " hey,

you wanna help me sue Emory? " in Georgia is like saying " hey, you wanna help me

sue U of M? " up there.... Emory is one of *the* law schools of the south (you

probably know that), and therefore most lawyers I've talked to are hot for a

discrimination suit... until I say " Emory, " at which point they quickly decide

they can't take any new cases. ;) I really don't have the energy yet to tackle

what a case against Emory would entail, so I really don't feel comfortable

asking a lawyer to put in all that time and effort for me until I'm in better

shape.

That said, I may have a line on a local lawyer here who has.... shall we say

a vested interest(?) in bringing Emory to justice... a sixth time. (Funny, no

one ever told me Emory has *always* been rampantly noncompliant with ADA

regs....) we shall see.

Nice to see a fellow Michigander, btw. Born in Grand Rapids myself. :)

Thanks again for your help, and for the welcome.

Meg

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Hi a,

Thanks *so much* for the info regarding RA and mycoplasmas. I'd long

suspected something along those lines but had been unable to dig up the research

to

substantiate it... a measure of just how much brain fog I've had lately I

spose. Anyway, now I've got enough ammo to talk to my rheumy about this aspect

of

things, too. She's already quite amused at this 22 year old punk who grills her

on every aspect of things, insists on her own copies of the labs and and has

already caught an inadvertent dosage error... my joints, lungs, and body in

general may be too shot to ever drag myself through med school, but that doesn't

make me any less of a med-geek. ;) I'm lucky in that my rheumy is young and

seems pretty forward-thinking, so I feel completely comfortable in asking about

and potentially going after all aspects of RA treatment that I feel

comfortable with. From what I've read on this list and others, a lot of people

don't

have that luxury.

<< The longer you've been on prednisone, the longer it takes to wean off of

them.  The process can be slow and can only be done under doctor's care. Maybe

your reduction was to much and you have to reduce slower. >>

I have a feeling you're probably right about that. I've got 20 years of pred

experience under my belt, so I've got a good feel for how it works... I think

the key is for both the doc and I to be very patient with that whole process.

The doc will have no problem with that... me, on the other hand.... ;)

<< One day I'm looking for a job and the next day I'm trying to find the

energy to get dressed.  It is a constant see saw and I feel contributes to

depression.  Kind of hard to put on a happy face when you feel so bad. >>

This is very much what I'm dealing with... in addition to still trying to

pull my life back together from when it fell to pieces 5 1/2 years ago (and

trying to figure out how much of it, if any, will even go together anymore). I

was

always raised to believe that I could do anything anyone else could do, so the

idea that I might not be able to support myself even intermittently during my

adult years terrifies me to no end. Because I was in college at such a young

age, I don't have any work experience - I get SSI due to my CP, but that's not

enough to live off of. In order to ever qualify for SSDI, I'll have to come

*off* the SSI at some point and put in a certain amount of time in the working

world.... and I really don't know if I'll ever be able to do that *reliably

enough* to make it worth coming off the SSI. All of this is light years away

from my ideal world of being almost through med school by now and being a fully

functioning, financially independent adult...

Getting ahead of myself as always. Just never thought I'd be spinning my

wheels for this long, and hoping and praying I'll start getting somewhere

soon...

I know most of you all can relate in some way.

Meg

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Hi a,

Thanks *so much* for the info regarding RA and mycoplasmas. I'd long

suspected something along those lines but had been unable to dig up the research

to

substantiate it... a measure of just how much brain fog I've had lately I

spose. Anyway, now I've got enough ammo to talk to my rheumy about this aspect

of

things, too. She's already quite amused at this 22 year old punk who grills her

on every aspect of things, insists on her own copies of the labs and and has

already caught an inadvertent dosage error... my joints, lungs, and body in

general may be too shot to ever drag myself through med school, but that doesn't

make me any less of a med-geek. ;) I'm lucky in that my rheumy is young and

seems pretty forward-thinking, so I feel completely comfortable in asking about

and potentially going after all aspects of RA treatment that I feel

comfortable with. From what I've read on this list and others, a lot of people

don't

have that luxury.

<< The longer you've been on prednisone, the longer it takes to wean off of

them.  The process can be slow and can only be done under doctor's care. Maybe

your reduction was to much and you have to reduce slower. >>

I have a feeling you're probably right about that. I've got 20 years of pred

experience under my belt, so I've got a good feel for how it works... I think

the key is for both the doc and I to be very patient with that whole process.

The doc will have no problem with that... me, on the other hand.... ;)

<< One day I'm looking for a job and the next day I'm trying to find the

energy to get dressed.  It is a constant see saw and I feel contributes to

depression.  Kind of hard to put on a happy face when you feel so bad. >>

This is very much what I'm dealing with... in addition to still trying to

pull my life back together from when it fell to pieces 5 1/2 years ago (and

trying to figure out how much of it, if any, will even go together anymore). I

was

always raised to believe that I could do anything anyone else could do, so the

idea that I might not be able to support myself even intermittently during my

adult years terrifies me to no end. Because I was in college at such a young

age, I don't have any work experience - I get SSI due to my CP, but that's not

enough to live off of. In order to ever qualify for SSDI, I'll have to come

*off* the SSI at some point and put in a certain amount of time in the working

world.... and I really don't know if I'll ever be able to do that *reliably

enough* to make it worth coming off the SSI. All of this is light years away

from my ideal world of being almost through med school by now and being a fully

functioning, financially independent adult...

Getting ahead of myself as always. Just never thought I'd be spinning my

wheels for this long, and hoping and praying I'll start getting somewhere

soon...

I know most of you all can relate in some way.

Meg

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Hi ,

<< One question you asked somewhere in there was about swelling and itching

in your legs.  That sound like water retention to me.  When I retain fluid in

my thighs, they itch like crazy.  What causes it for me is not the RA, but the

meds.  Prednisone and anti-inflamatories are notorious for causing fluid

retention. >>

I've definitely been having issues with fluid-retention - it was one of the

first things my rheumy pointed out on my initial visit. She put me on lasix

(and potassium) right away and I promptly dropped 35 of the 40 pounds I put on

in

5 months at college - I'm only 5 feet tall, so as you can imagine, I feel

*much* better now! :) It's also nice to have a solution for how in the world I

managed to put on half again my original body weight in such a short amount of

time. I knew I wasn't eating *that* much....

I digress (as usual). My question would perhaps have been better phrased, " Is

there any connection between RA and fluid retention that is *not* drug

related? " This comes about because I wasn't on NSAIDs or pred (to speak of... a

single two week burst I think?) when the massive weight gain started. It just

occurred to me to wonder if this might have in fact been an early (if bizarre)

indication of RA - or some kind of fallout due to RA - that I'd missed.

In any case, there's no doubt that it's fluid and not " true " weight gain, so

I guess I can be grateful for that. Being on the lasix has also resulted in my

feet looking semi-normal for the first time in about 12 years... they've

never been completely normal of course, but they've also had some weird skin

issues for a long, *long* time, which now appear resolved. I'd ascribe the fluid

retention to the CP, and that may be a minor factor, but till very recently I've

always been an ambulatory biped-type creature (i.e. only using my chair for

long distances), so I can't imagine that's the whole puzzle... who knows.

Thanks for the help!

Meg

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Hi ,

<< One question you asked somewhere in there was about swelling and itching

in your legs.  That sound like water retention to me.  When I retain fluid in

my thighs, they itch like crazy.  What causes it for me is not the RA, but the

meds.  Prednisone and anti-inflamatories are notorious for causing fluid

retention. >>

I've definitely been having issues with fluid-retention - it was one of the

first things my rheumy pointed out on my initial visit. She put me on lasix

(and potassium) right away and I promptly dropped 35 of the 40 pounds I put on

in

5 months at college - I'm only 5 feet tall, so as you can imagine, I feel

*much* better now! :) It's also nice to have a solution for how in the world I

managed to put on half again my original body weight in such a short amount of

time. I knew I wasn't eating *that* much....

I digress (as usual). My question would perhaps have been better phrased, " Is

there any connection between RA and fluid retention that is *not* drug

related? " This comes about because I wasn't on NSAIDs or pred (to speak of... a

single two week burst I think?) when the massive weight gain started. It just

occurred to me to wonder if this might have in fact been an early (if bizarre)

indication of RA - or some kind of fallout due to RA - that I'd missed.

In any case, there's no doubt that it's fluid and not " true " weight gain, so

I guess I can be grateful for that. Being on the lasix has also resulted in my

feet looking semi-normal for the first time in about 12 years... they've

never been completely normal of course, but they've also had some weird skin

issues for a long, *long* time, which now appear resolved. I'd ascribe the fluid

retention to the CP, and that may be a minor factor, but till very recently I've

always been an ambulatory biped-type creature (i.e. only using my chair for

long distances), so I can't imagine that's the whole puzzle... who knows.

Thanks for the help!

Meg

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Hi ,

Thanks for the welcome.

<< But, I always admire folks like you that are so forthcoming with stuff. >>

The incredible irony in that statement is that in person I'm one of the

shyest and least revealing people on the face of the earth! A few friendships of

mine have begun online and then made the leap to " real-life " friendships, and

without fail the persons involved have ventured phrases like, " you're so quiet, "

" I feel like I'm doing all the talking, " or my personal favorite, " you're much

funnier online. " Erm... thank you? All of which are, I presume, polite ways

of saying that I'm pretty boring when I'm not behind the keyboard.

Unfortunately, that means you all get to put up with my copious ramblings. I

apologize! ;)

<< I would ask about pain control at this next visit, it's definitely a

reasonable request at this point. >>

Well, this week is my seventh on mtx and my third on my current dosage - by

the time I actually go in I'll have another two doses under my belt. I think

what I'll probably do is just broach the subject and see how she reacts. I

brought up the idea of injectable mtx after my first (hellacious) dose of the

pills, and she raised my dose of folic acid (which did help) but otherwise

didn't

respond too favorably... after I'd taken it twice more with the same side

effects, she was more than happy to switch me to the injectable. From that whole

experience, I'm getting the idea that she's to some extent taking her cues from

*me* - which is fine, but that means that I'm going to have to stay on top of

things. In this case I think that means at least introducing the subject of

more/alternative pain control, so that *she* knows I'm open to the idea and

feel it might be necessary.... even if it ends up being weeks or months before

we

get things really sorted.

<< the ones that are completely unfamiliar with chronic pain as an issue

don't seem to be all that helpful.  You probably know all that already, just

confirming in case you forget in a pain-addled state! >>

Thanks, much appreciated! I actually hadn't even considered looking into the

chosen subspecialties of the mental health folks - pain-addled indeed!

Definitely a factor and something I need to be checking in my search.

<< I have found it extremely helpful with some of the conditions you describe

- both physical and mental - to do imagery, meditation, journaling (even if

that's verbal into a tape recorder), etc - it helps with calming/centering and

some other positive benefits as well. Learning those and other techniques have

been life-savers for me. >>

Agreed on all counts. I've slacked off on my meditation lately and I can tell

the difference... hopefully now that the sheer *intensity* of the pain has

backed down some, I'll be able to center myself a little better in other

respects.

<< There are mornings I wake up and think, now, why did he hire a mack truck

and how come it only hit MY side of the bed???? >>

LOL! So true... thanks for the laugh and the well wishes.

Meg

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