Guest guest Posted September 5, 2004 Report Share Posted September 5, 2004 Hi , Thanks for the welcome. << But, I always admire folks like you that are so forthcoming with stuff. >> The incredible irony in that statement is that in person I'm one of the shyest and least revealing people on the face of the earth! A few friendships of mine have begun online and then made the leap to " real-life " friendships, and without fail the persons involved have ventured phrases like, " you're so quiet, " " I feel like I'm doing all the talking, " or my personal favorite, " you're much funnier online. " Erm... thank you? All of which are, I presume, polite ways of saying that I'm pretty boring when I'm not behind the keyboard. Unfortunately, that means you all get to put up with my copious ramblings. I apologize! << I would ask about pain control at this next visit, it's definitely a reasonable request at this point. >> Well, this week is my seventh on mtx and my third on my current dosage - by the time I actually go in I'll have another two doses under my belt. I think what I'll probably do is just broach the subject and see how she reacts. I brought up the idea of injectable mtx after my first (hellacious) dose of the pills, and she raised my dose of folic acid (which did help) but otherwise didn't respond too favorably... after I'd taken it twice more with the same side effects, she was more than happy to switch me to the injectable. From that whole experience, I'm getting the idea that she's to some extent taking her cues from *me* - which is fine, but that means that I'm going to have to stay on top of things. In this case I think that means at least introducing the subject of more/alternative pain control, so that *she* knows I'm open to the idea and feel it might be necessary.... even if it ends up being weeks or months before we get things really sorted. << the ones that are completely unfamiliar with chronic pain as an issue don't seem to be all that helpful. You probably know all that already, just confirming in case you forget in a pain-addled state! >> Thanks, much appreciated! I actually hadn't even considered looking into the chosen subspecialties of the mental health folks - pain-addled indeed! Definitely a factor and something I need to be checking in my search. << I have found it extremely helpful with some of the conditions you describe - both physical and mental - to do imagery, meditation, journaling (even if that's verbal into a tape recorder), etc - it helps with calming/centering and some other positive benefits as well. Learning those and other techniques have been life-savers for me. >> Agreed on all counts. I've slacked off on my meditation lately and I can tell the difference... hopefully now that the sheer *intensity* of the pain has backed down some, I'll be able to center myself a little better in other respects. << There are mornings I wake up and think, now, why did he hire a mack truck and how come it only hit MY side of the bed???? >> LOL! So true... thanks for the laugh and the well wishes. Meg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2004 Report Share Posted September 5, 2004 Hi Judi, Good to meet you! I actually had never given any thought to the long term effects of CP until I started having pain (which of course turned out to be RA, although I do think there's still a CP component at work that exacerbates things). It really does make good practical sense that people with CP wear out our joints faster even without any additional challenges... apparently docs are finally starting to clarify what they've said for so many years about CP being non-progressive. Now they state that the brain damage *itself* is static, but that the resulting physical issues (osteoarthritis type joint deterioration, increased spasticity, reduction in stamina etc) can be, and often are, progressive. All of that has been considered general knowledge in Japan, Canada, the UK and elsewhere since the 70s, but since the pharmaceutical companies here have a chokehold on the medical industry and Eli Lilly was directly responsible for many many cases of CP currently in existence (my own included).... it hasn't been something the American docs have addressed. Thankfully that's changing... in no small part due to the net, I'm sure. Personally, I'm just glad I'm not *crazy* - which is what I first thought a few years ago when I started having muscle spasms the like of which I hadn't seen since about age 5! << Wondering how long I will be able to manage with the cane as it hurts my elbows to bear weight on the cane, and I have to switch arms depending on which hip hurts the worst. >> Different " auxiliary " condition, same quandry. You're far from alone... I'm the only person I know of with CP and RA (I'm sure there are others out there but I haven't found anyone yet, not for lack of trying), but I have several friends with varying degrees of CP and we are all struggling with the physical and emotional aspects of losing mobility - for some of us it's speeded due to autoimmune issues, some due to OA, some due to vaguely defined " aging " (at 25-30?) and some are losing that mobility due to nothing at all that the docs can find. The more I talk to others with CP of all degrees, all ages and from all walks of life, the more I think that if the full truth were told, chronic pain and loss of mobility is a package deal with CP *alone*.... never mind when autoimmune stuff gets thrown into the mix. You've probably figured a lot of this out on your own by now, but I just thought I'd throw in a word or two to that end... I know for me, it's been a huge load off my mind to understand that it's not a matter of *me* " failing " or not being strong/stoic enough, it's a matter of *my body* changing and at times failing in ways I never expected it to. A small distinction, but one that was really doing my head in for a while. << I'm a wife (28 years this Sunday) and grandmother (daughter has a 4-year old son and 18-month old triplets, and she is studying to be a minister.) >> I suspect you didn't include that information idly and know very well how much it means to me just to know that you've accomplished so much... but just for the record, it *does* mean a lot to me to know that you're " out there " and have been able to build a wonderful family. A belated congratulations on your anniversary, too! Take care, Meg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 5, 2004 Report Share Posted September 5, 2004 Hi Judi, Good to meet you! I actually had never given any thought to the long term effects of CP until I started having pain (which of course turned out to be RA, although I do think there's still a CP component at work that exacerbates things). It really does make good practical sense that people with CP wear out our joints faster even without any additional challenges... apparently docs are finally starting to clarify what they've said for so many years about CP being non-progressive. Now they state that the brain damage *itself* is static, but that the resulting physical issues (osteoarthritis type joint deterioration, increased spasticity, reduction in stamina etc) can be, and often are, progressive. All of that has been considered general knowledge in Japan, Canada, the UK and elsewhere since the 70s, but since the pharmaceutical companies here have a chokehold on the medical industry and Eli Lilly was directly responsible for many many cases of CP currently in existence (my own included).... it hasn't been something the American docs have addressed. Thankfully that's changing... in no small part due to the net, I'm sure. Personally, I'm just glad I'm not *crazy* - which is what I first thought a few years ago when I started having muscle spasms the like of which I hadn't seen since about age 5! << Wondering how long I will be able to manage with the cane as it hurts my elbows to bear weight on the cane, and I have to switch arms depending on which hip hurts the worst. >> Different " auxiliary " condition, same quandry. You're far from alone... I'm the only person I know of with CP and RA (I'm sure there are others out there but I haven't found anyone yet, not for lack of trying), but I have several friends with varying degrees of CP and we are all struggling with the physical and emotional aspects of losing mobility - for some of us it's speeded due to autoimmune issues, some due to OA, some due to vaguely defined " aging " (at 25-30?) and some are losing that mobility due to nothing at all that the docs can find. The more I talk to others with CP of all degrees, all ages and from all walks of life, the more I think that if the full truth were told, chronic pain and loss of mobility is a package deal with CP *alone*.... never mind when autoimmune stuff gets thrown into the mix. You've probably figured a lot of this out on your own by now, but I just thought I'd throw in a word or two to that end... I know for me, it's been a huge load off my mind to understand that it's not a matter of *me* " failing " or not being strong/stoic enough, it's a matter of *my body* changing and at times failing in ways I never expected it to. A small distinction, but one that was really doing my head in for a while. << I'm a wife (28 years this Sunday) and grandmother (daughter has a 4-year old son and 18-month old triplets, and she is studying to be a minister.) >> I suspect you didn't include that information idly and know very well how much it means to me just to know that you've accomplished so much... but just for the record, it *does* mean a lot to me to know that you're " out there " and have been able to build a wonderful family. A belated congratulations on your anniversary, too! Take care, Meg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2004 Report Share Posted September 6, 2004 << In my view, age has nothing to do with how forward-thinking a doctor may be. >> Oy, that's what I get for answering mail at 4 in the morning. I didn't mean to imply that one is necessarily a function of the other, more so that because there's not a huge age gap between my doc and I, we seem to work particularly well together (i.e. she's not " threatened " by my neverending quest for knowledge - arguably not a function of age either, but I do think being of the same generation can be an ace in the hole when dealing with the medical field). And that, separately from that, she happens to be forward-thinking. I've had docs of *all* ages (and philosophies) in a whole slew of fields, good and bad and in between. I'm just happy to have a good rheumy. Meg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2004 Report Share Posted September 6, 2004 << In my view, age has nothing to do with how forward-thinking a doctor may be. >> Oy, that's what I get for answering mail at 4 in the morning. I didn't mean to imply that one is necessarily a function of the other, more so that because there's not a huge age gap between my doc and I, we seem to work particularly well together (i.e. she's not " threatened " by my neverending quest for knowledge - arguably not a function of age either, but I do think being of the same generation can be an ace in the hole when dealing with the medical field). And that, separately from that, she happens to be forward-thinking. I've had docs of *all* ages (and philosophies) in a whole slew of fields, good and bad and in between. I'm just happy to have a good rheumy. Meg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2004 Report Share Posted September 6, 2004 I'm lucky in that my rheumy is young and > seems pretty forward-thinking, Hi- In my view, age has nothing to do with how forward-thinking a doctor may be. S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2004 Report Share Posted September 6, 2004 I'm lucky in that my rheumy is young and > seems pretty forward-thinking, Hi- In my view, age has nothing to do with how forward-thinking a doctor may be. S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2004 Report Share Posted September 6, 2004 > << In my view, age has nothing to do with how forward-thinking a doctor may > be. >> > > Oy, that's what I get for answering mail at 4 in the morning. I didn't mean > to imply that one is necessarily a function of the other. Thanks! I had to speak up as I am fortunate to have many awesome, progressive, older people in my life right now--including a former judge (first woman to serve in our state's Supreme Court) who just turned 80 last weekend and who leads peace vigils, voter registration drives, and is the most forward-thinking person I know. > I'm just happy to have a good rheumy. > Meg I hear you! S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 6, 2004 Report Share Posted September 6, 2004 > << In my view, age has nothing to do with how forward-thinking a doctor may > be. >> > > Oy, that's what I get for answering mail at 4 in the morning. I didn't mean > to imply that one is necessarily a function of the other. Thanks! I had to speak up as I am fortunate to have many awesome, progressive, older people in my life right now--including a former judge (first woman to serve in our state's Supreme Court) who just turned 80 last weekend and who leads peace vigils, voter registration drives, and is the most forward-thinking person I know. > I'm just happy to have a good rheumy. > Meg I hear you! S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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