Re: ok let's do the work /sky /john

[Guest guest]

hey facy,

i've experienced something similar - the desire for new insights,

answers, something more.

These desires can be questioned - that you would really be happier if

you experienced new insights - or put another way, notice who/what

wants these new insights.... who is seeking?

Maybe it could be summed up in one belief " This is not enough " or " I

need more " .

For me, these beliefs also drive the desire to have more money, a new

job, more insights - a sense of restlessness in which when I first

achieve I get the 'buzz', then that wears off and I want more - just

another form of addiction.

with love and thanks again,

Jon

[Guest guest]

by the way facy,

i'd also add that the desire for anything, including the desire to no

longer think or believe certain thoughts is just another form of

stressful belief - the ego kicking in, wanting things to be different.

it shifts and changes when it does, and not before - in the meantime,

any resistance to the experience of life is simply reinforcing our

suffering.

this is where looking at out motive for doing the work can be useful -

and it's possible to inquire into the motive itself.

jon

>

> hey facy,

>

> i've experienced something similar - the desire for new insights,

> answers, something more.

>

> These desires can be questioned - that you would really be happier if

> you experienced new insights - or put another way, notice who/what

> wants these new insights.... who is seeking?

>

> Maybe it could be summed up in one belief " This is not enough " or " I

> need more " .

>

> For me, these beliefs also drive the desire to have more money, a new

> job, more insights - a sense of restlessness in which when I first

> achieve I get the 'buzz', then that wears off and I want more - just

> another form of addiction.

>

> with love and thanks again,

>

> Jon

>

[Guest guest]

Who is ?

From: Loving-what-is [mailto:Loving-what-is ]

On Behalf Of

Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 5:30 PM

To: Loving-what-is

Subject: Re: ok let's do the work /sky /john

Ok Mr. Facy <grin>

Is it the turn around you want, or is it the clarity to question the

story itself, knowing that clear questioning will ulimately result in

the loss of our story.

In 's latest book she points out that without our story we are

neither male nor female... Eckhart, and all remind us that

we believe we are our story and yet we must lose that story

ultimately.

[Guest guest]

Correct Hanle, Renard.... interesting comment on it being based

on a Course in Miracles.

>

> My guess would be Renard, author of the Disappearance of the

Universe,

> which is based on A Course in Miracles.

>

> Or it could be Zukov :-)

>

> > Who is ?

>

[Guest guest]

> Correct Hanle, Renard.... interesting comment on it being based

> on a Course in Miracles.

>

Some say that if you take all the quotes from ACIM in the Disappearance of

the Universe, you get a crash course of A Course in Miracles.

Another quote that often floats on this board which I love, " Would you

rather be right or happy? " is also a quote from ACIM.

[Guest guest]

Hanle,

Quotes are just that... what we think about those quotes belongs to us.

Be gentle with my offering and you noticing that " would you rather be

right or be happy? "

That particular thought which is not specific just to The Course Text(

ACIM) but is contained in some form in every writing I've ever

encountered including my own personal questioning.

Consider if you knew that the only real business that you have in this

life is to forgive ...to forgive yourself... or your thoughts about who

you are? We spend a lot of our time in life trying to make a career to

_______ so we will be happy, we do what we were conditioned to belief

was ethical, moral so we could ________ to be happy.... financially we

don't want to feel poor because if we feel poor...... and we wont be

happy... We spend so much time in our our thoughts of right or wrong ,

loss or gain, better or worse, good or bad...we have forgotten it might

not be true... Thus the beauty of the work.

I cannot tell anyone anything except that statement of happy or right

is everywhere not just specific to ACIM... And as For DU and YIR ...

Renard's two books released to date... They aren't separate and apart

from ACIM. Those who have studied these offerings generally come to a

simply analogy... If ACIM is a can, then DU and Your Immortal Reality

are can openers.

They are teachings of ascended masters apart from but in no way

contradictory to anything in the ACIM texts. How you think about any of

that belongs to you..

I appreciate the desire to ask you have expressed. Please accept my

thoughts and my thoughts are simply that... My personal love affair

journey has allowed me to drop so many of my painful thoughts about who

I am ... and what I believe ... Please accept with loving appreciation

for one who sees so much available and the confusion of how can one

ever KNOW..

The work... and the gift of insight 's loving availability offer

us... has been just as much a can opener... We all come from source

but we have been scattered ...Every holy writing I've encountered had

separation from Source and while might laugh at her writing being

thought of in that vein... Separation is what the work can help us undo

in our lives not in anothers...We can shine a light on every lie,

sacred cow... all the illusions we have purchased to keep who we

thought we were safe.

The essence of separation is in any perception we believe is true of

any form of loss or gain,or any degree of good or bad in your idea of

who you really are and the life you are experiencing.. Separation is

another word for duality.... and if we can question our thoughts about

our beliefs of being separate ... or better or worse ... question any

thought of lack... superiority morally, mentally, etc etc...Questioning

through the work will allow us to see the pain of our thoughts... Love

what is... wow sounds like a good title for a book...

Absolutely our most powerful thoughts are always stories we tell about

our own life. Psst it is actually the only story you can do one thing

about.... I LOVE YOU ... IS THAT TRUE.... I call it ... I LOVE ME... IS

THAT TRUE lolol...

In case you haven't felt the desire to peek at 's THERE ARE A

THOUSAND NAMES FOR JOY...It is powerfully entertwined... only word I

can capture this second....It combines the beauty of the Tao with

's thoughts.. not as a commentary but just loving herself in that

moment.... there are many ways people have received to express

Truth... many many ways to seek it... Have you ever tried to just cold

call on the Tao?... I appreciate the clarity I can appreciate of

's thoughts along side.

There are a THOUSAND NAMES FOR PAIN too... ways that include choosing

right when it isn't your intent to be in judgement... It may be a lie

that I have need to write anything here... But I did... and it is ...

and would so ... So it is....

ask yourself that question... would you really rather be right than

Happy...

Would you rather one way appear to be better than another?

Do you really seek relief from the pain of your story... or do you want

to hold onto the lies we think we are comfortable with.

Know there is one way... and if we seek that with only the desire to be

loving and available first to ourselves...

Truth... we can't save anyone else... and anything you perceive is said

to you... is truthfully a joyful little roll in what is for me... I

love wallowing in what is...and if I feel there is something poking me

in my roll in the now... I love for reminding me to be fearless

in my questioning if I'm not loving what is in that moment. My only

intent is I want to love ...now..

You perceive I am addressing you... when I am working me selfishly in

here...

It is possible to love the fact that right is a concept for me and has

no power... If you questionif it is true that you really undertood

there is no loss or gain in the holy concept of right.. would it

matter ... you would be joy and happiness) Is it more important.....

oops there goes that illusion of degrees lol...

Thank you for the joy of living with these knowings ...

Be loving to you... you are spirit... whole and innocent... when you

begin to forgive yourself... and release any confusion or anger... All

the words of texts that seem at times so abstract and mystical start to

come to you as YOU need them ... IF you need them and want to look...

You don't have to go try to grab them... My latest experience is just

to ask the holy spirit to pick one for me today... wait... I asked for

one... I don't care which one...oh... damn here is three... well look

at those Sky... they all say the same thing you were just questioning...

I too used to judge myself as apparently too dense for wading through

ACIM... It didn't speak to me...And so it didn't speak to me as long as

that was my unquestioned belief... Did it matter if I ever got ready

for ACIM.. well no... the truth is that there is only one thing we

need to be and that is in unity with that which has no words and

cannot be threatened by anything...

Hanle... tell yourself who you are and what you believe... what you

think I just said... or what anyone says about this or that...You are

the relationship you have with those thoughts and beliefs. Your

relationship with those thoughts is the source of your fear . I am the

same... only I own Sky's beliefs ... not yours. It is in our

individual separateness or our salvation of ourselves from that story

that we finally find we are one... Anything we believe about ourselves

that is outside of us.. ANYTHING...is separateness and produces the

illusion of fear and separates us first from our joy.

I'm about to go question my thoughts on writing in open forum.

Go with love... you are holy... forgive .. release and if you get a

chance just take a look at ATNFJoy Ch 46 , p 136. Turn that right or

happy thought a degree and ask... Would you rather be in fear or happy..

With Gratitude and love

Sky

I

>

> > Correct Hanle, Renard.... interesting comment on it being

based

> > on a Course in Miracles.

> >

> Some say that if you take all the quotes from ACIM in the

Disappearance of

> the Universe, you get a crash course of A Course in Miracles.

>

> Another quote that often floats on this board which I love, " Would

you

> rather be right or happy? " is also a quote from ACIM.

>

[Guest guest]

I guess you needed to hear all of this? I did not offer any opinion, merely

a statement. It seems as if you think I have a problem or were in

disagreement with something? Actually, I cannot even figure out why you felt

the need for your response below. You do not need to convince me nor preach

to me :-) I am not even in disagreement with anything you say.

What I do know is that I needed to let go and am still letting go of all the

stories I have, even the ones about the Work and other paths. The truth is

very simple, but the ego loves complexity and many words LOL.

> Hanle,

>

> Quotes are just that... what we think about those quotes belongs to us.

>

> Be gentle with my offering and you noticing that " would you rather be

> right or be happy? "

>

> That particular thought which is not specific just to The Course Text(

> ACIM) but is contained in some form in every writing I've ever

> encountered including my own personal questioning.

>

> Consider if you knew that the only real business that you have in this

> life is to forgive ...to forgive yourself... or your thoughts about who

> you are? We spend a lot of our time in life trying to make a career to

> _______ so we will be happy, we do what we were conditioned to belief

> was ethical, moral so we could ________ to be happy.... financially we

> don't want to feel poor because if we feel poor...... and we wont be

> happy... We spend so much time in our our thoughts of right or wrong ,

> loss or gain, better or worse, good or bad...we have forgotten it might

> not be true... Thus the beauty of the work.

>

> I cannot tell anyone anything except that statement of happy or right

> is everywhere not just specific to ACIM... And as For DU and YIR ...

> Renard's two books released to date... They aren't separate and apart

> from ACIM. Those who have studied these offerings generally come to a

> simply analogy... If ACIM is a can, then DU and Your Immortal Reality

> are can openers.

> They are teachings of ascended masters apart from but in no way

> contradictory to anything in the ACIM texts. How you think about any of

> that belongs to you..

>

> I appreciate the desire to ask you have expressed. Please accept my

> thoughts and my thoughts are simply that... My personal love affair

> journey has allowed me to drop so many of my painful thoughts about who

> I am ... and what I believe ... Please accept with loving appreciation

> for one who sees so much available and the confusion of how can one

> ever KNOW..

>

> The work... and the gift of insight 's loving availability offer

> us... has been just as much a can opener... We all come from source

> but we have been scattered ...Every holy writing I've encountered had

> separation from Source and while might laugh at her writing being

> thought of in that vein... Separation is what the work can help us undo

> in our lives not in anothers...We can shine a light on every lie,

> sacred cow... all the illusions we have purchased to keep who we

> thought we were safe.

>

> The essence of separation is in any perception we believe is true of

> any form of loss or gain,or any degree of good or bad in your idea of

> who you really are and the life you are experiencing.. Separation is

> another word for duality.... and if we can question our thoughts about

> our beliefs of being separate ... or better or worse ... question any

> thought of lack... superiority morally, mentally, etc etc...Questioning

> through the work will allow us to see the pain of our thoughts... Love

> what is... wow sounds like a good title for a book...

>

> Absolutely our most powerful thoughts are always stories we tell about

> our own life. Psst it is actually the only story you can do one thing

> about.... I LOVE YOU ... IS THAT TRUE.... I call it ... I LOVE ME... IS

> THAT TRUE lolol...

>

> In case you haven't felt the desire to peek at 's THERE ARE A

> THOUSAND NAMES FOR JOY...It is powerfully entertwined... only word I

> can capture this second....It combines the beauty of the Tao with

> 's thoughts.. not as a commentary but just loving herself in that

> moment.... there are many ways people have received to express

> Truth... many many ways to seek it... Have you ever tried to just cold

> call on the Tao?... I appreciate the clarity I can appreciate of

> 's thoughts along side.

>

> There are a THOUSAND NAMES FOR PAIN too... ways that include choosing

> right when it isn't your intent to be in judgement... It may be a lie

> that I have need to write anything here... But I did... and it is ...

> and would so ... So it is....

>

> ask yourself that question... would you really rather be right than

> Happy...

>

> Would you rather one way appear to be better than another?

>

> Do you really seek relief from the pain of your story... or do you want

> to hold onto the lies we think we are comfortable with.

>

> Know there is one way... and if we seek that with only the desire to be

> loving and available first to ourselves...

>

> Truth... we can't save anyone else... and anything you perceive is said

> to you... is truthfully a joyful little roll in what is for me... I

> love wallowing in what is...and if I feel there is something poking me

> in my roll in the now... I love for reminding me to be fearless

> in my questioning if I'm not loving what is in that moment. My only

> intent is I want to love ...now..

>

> You perceive I am addressing you... when I am working me selfishly in

> here...

>

> It is possible to love the fact that right is a concept for me and has

> no power... If you questionif it is true that you really undertood

> there is no loss or gain in the holy concept of right.. would it

> matter ... you would be joy and happiness) Is it more important.....

> oops there goes that illusion of degrees lol...

>

> Thank you for the joy of living with these knowings ...

>

> Be loving to you... you are spirit... whole and innocent... when you

> begin to forgive yourself... and release any confusion or anger... All

> the words of texts that seem at times so abstract and mystical start to

> come to you as YOU need them ... IF you need them and want to look...

> You don't have to go try to grab them... My latest experience is just

> to ask the holy spirit to pick one for me today... wait... I asked for

> one... I don't care which one...oh... damn here is three... well look

> at those Sky... they all say the same thing you were just questioning...

>

>

> I too used to judge myself as apparently too dense for wading through

> ACIM... It didn't speak to me...And so it didn't speak to me as long as

> that was my unquestioned belief... Did it matter if I ever got ready

> for ACIM.. well no... the truth is that there is only one thing we

> need to be and that is in unity with that which has no words and

> cannot be threatened by anything...

>

> Hanle... tell yourself who you are and what you believe... what you

> think I just said... or what anyone says about this or that...You are

> the relationship you have with those thoughts and beliefs. Your

> relationship with those thoughts is the source of your fear . I am the

> same... only I own Sky's beliefs ... not yours. It is in our

> individual separateness or our salvation of ourselves from that story

> that we finally find we are one... Anything we believe about ourselves

> that is outside of us.. ANYTHING...is separateness and produces the

> illusion of fear and separates us first from our joy.

>

> I'm about to go question my thoughts on writing in open forum.

>

> Go with love... you are holy... forgive .. release and if you get a

> chance just take a look at ATNFJoy Ch 46 , p 136. Turn that right or

> happy thought a degree and ask... Would you rather be in fear or happy..

>

> With Gratitude and love

> Sky

>

> I

>>

>> > Correct Hanle, Renard.... interesting comment on it being

> based

>> > on a Course in Miracles.

>> >

>> Some say that if you take all the quotes from ACIM in the

> Disappearance of

>> the Universe, you get a crash course of A Course in Miracles.

>>

>> Another quote that often floats on this board which I love, " Would

> you

>> rather be right or happy? " is also a quote from ACIM.

>>

>

>

>

> ------------------------------------

>

>

[Guest guest]

-

I think gary renard says right in the book.

its based on the course in miracles.. so

how is that an interesting comment. ???

its just fact.

I think i will reread it.

rh

-- In Loving-what-is , " " wrote:

>

> Correct Hanle, Renard.... interesting comment on it being based

> on a Course in Miracles.

>

>

> >

> > My guess would be Renard, author of the Disappearance of the

> Universe,

> > which is based on A Course in Miracles.

> >

> > Or it could be Zukov :-)

> >

> > > Who is ?

> >

>