Re: I should love myself

[Guest guest]

For me it was investigating " I am not lovable " that was huge.

> Heres a couple I pondered

>

> I should love myself

[Guest guest]

Lamar,

Trust me and trust , if you point outward and do the Work on someone or

something else, it will still end up being about you. It can't be otherwise.

My biggest complaint with this board at the moment is that most people seem not

to be following the guidelines of the Work. a great example is people

continually doing the Work on themselves and then wondering why the turnarounds

don't feel right.

Vivian

Aside to Jon: a strong suggestion from you in this direction might be helpful

and appropriate.

I should love myself

So, I've been putting these off because says that in the

beginning we shouldn't try and do the work on ourselves. But thats the

entire reason I came to the work, because as far as I can tell, I am

the person I have a problem with. And at the behest of the very kind

woman on the other end of the Hotline (and an emotional breakdown

today) I have decided to do a little on myself.

Heres a couple I pondered

I should love myself

I shouldnt be anxious

I shouldn't have stressful thoughts

Oh boy oh boy, let me tell you how nice it feels to question those.

The only turn arounds I used were, I shouldnt love myself until I do.

I should be anxious if I am, and I should have stressful thoughts.

Its very hard for me to SAY the opposites and believe it, but if I

just think them and let them sink in, it feels very kind.

Lamar

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[Guest guest]

Hi Lamar.. I can relate..

boy i have used every self help method..

i used to try to meditate

my thoughts away,

fix them change them.. be positive say affirmations -

etc etc.

for me it is best to allow those thoughts..

im now into another method from the voice for love website.

which is to extend love to thoughts..

or feel love for the thoughts. even the negative ones.

love your thoughts unconditionally.

im working on it.. but it is hard at times..

my ego loves to judge and put myself down.

EGos love the drama. Just notice being in the ego if you are

without judgment.. if you put yourself down for that.. your in ego

again. I remember that from ECkhart tolles book.

NEw Earth.

I suppose i should observe these truths for myself and ask me.

and others used to comment i quote too much..

TRue.. truth is found in our own answers. and observation.

Which is why the work.. is great for observing..

I suppose all this time i am looking for something to fix me.

or fix others.. and its not about fixing but allowing.

If i can allow this experience it doesnt need to change.

" BE willing to experience anything and do only those things others

experience easily. "

ron hubbard.

there i go quoting again.. oh well, roslyn

-- In Loving-what-is , " felated_osiris "

wrote:

>

> So, I've been putting these off because says that in the

> beginning we shouldn't try and do the work on ourselves. But thats the

> entire reason I came to the work, because as far as I can tell, I am

> the person I have a problem with. And at the behest of the very kind

> woman on the other end of the Hotline (and an emotional breakdown

> today) I have decided to do a little on myself.

>

> Heres a couple I pondered

>

> I should love myself

> I shouldnt be anxious

> I shouldn't have stressful thoughts

>

> Oh boy oh boy, let me tell you how nice it feels to question those.

> The only turn arounds I used were, I shouldnt love myself until I do.

> I should be anxious if I am, and I should have stressful thoughts.

> Its very hard for me to SAY the opposites and believe it, but if I

> just think them and let them sink in, it feels very kind.

>

> Lamar

>

[Guest guest]

At the risk of pissing off Vivian (even more)

I have to write to Lamar that I think it is GREAT to work on

oneself...It occurred to me last month to inquire into the thoughts I

have believed for eons ~ I should love myself, I should live up to my

potential, and other juicy ones. Felt such freedom in realizing that I

shouldn't love myself, until I do...and yet; I still am sitting here

in perfect Grace. Tremendous freedom in knowing that.

Love, nne

>

> So, I've been putting these off because says that in the

> beginning we shouldn't try and do the work on ourselves. But thats the

> entire reason I came to the work, because as far as I can tell, I am

> the person I have a problem with. And at the behest of the very kind

> woman on the other end of the Hotline (and an emotional breakdown

> today) I have decided to do a little on myself.

>

> Heres a couple I pondered

>

> I should love myself

> I shouldnt be anxious

> I shouldn't have stressful thoughts

>

> Oh boy oh boy, let me tell you how nice it feels to question those.

> The only turn arounds I used were, I shouldnt love myself until I do.

> I should be anxious if I am, and I should have stressful thoughts.

> Its very hard for me to SAY the opposites and believe it, but if I

> just think them and let them sink in, it feels very kind.

>

> Lamar

>

[Guest guest]

i know i have heard katie often say do the work on

others in the beginning. but i also recall in a newsletter

her saying that people could do the work on themselves.

its just a bit harder i think because we have more of

a motive when we do the work on ourselves.

But it isnt wrong because there is no right or wrong

way to do the work..

i thought the turn arounds were excellent..

I should be anxious because i am.. i should not love myself

till i do.. I should have stressful thoughts.

i think coming to a point of acceptance is very helpful..

I feel this now..

trying to force a change is just more stress.

roslyn

-- In Loving-what-is , " Vivian Barning "

wrote:

>

> Lamar,

>

> Trust me and trust , if you point outward and do the Work on

someone or something else, it will still end up being about you. It

can't be otherwise.

>

> My biggest complaint with this board at the moment is that most

people seem not to be following the guidelines of the Work. a great

example is people continually doing the Work on themselves and then

wondering why the turnarounds don't feel right.

>

> Vivian

>

> Aside to Jon: a strong suggestion from you in this direction might

be helpful and appropriate.

> I should love myself

>

>

> So, I've been putting these off because says that in the

> beginning we shouldn't try and do the work on ourselves. But thats the

> entire reason I came to the work, because as far as I can tell, I am

> the person I have a problem with. And at the behest of the very kind

> woman on the other end of the Hotline (and an emotional breakdown

> today) I have decided to do a little on myself.

>

> Heres a couple I pondered

>

> I should love myself

> I shouldnt be anxious

> I shouldn't have stressful thoughts

>

> Oh boy oh boy, let me tell you how nice it feels to question those.

> The only turn arounds I used were, I shouldnt love myself until I do.

> I should be anxious if I am, and I should have stressful thoughts.

> Its very hard for me to SAY the opposites and believe it, but if I

> just think them and let them sink in, it feels very kind.

>

> Lamar

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Hi Roslyn, I originally encountered Byron from the book Undoing

the Ego by Nouk who writes about liberation and ACIM. I've

also seen the voice for love websight. Do you have the book? I'm

curious about it but dont have the money for it at the moment.

Here's a little bit about some noticed effect of doing the work last

night...

I have a love affair with the author Cheri Huber who writes about

awareness practice and zen. A couple months ago I heard a podcast from

her for the first time, and she was talking about how scary it was for

her to be " on air " on the radio. Well!!! Ego Alert! My hero has

problems! Let me tell you, a little bit of my love affair poofed! at

that very moment.

Well I woke up this morning and grabbed a book by her not even

thinking of that, and started reading it, and there came those

thought. Cheri shouldn't have problems. Spiritual people shouldnt be

stressed. And this time, it didn't stick. It was great. And for the

first time in days, I woke up and didnt have any problem.

I think I understand why advises us not to do the work on

ourselves right off the bat. But when all I can think is, I should not

I should not I should not, other people seem pretty far off. And...

All work on myself is work on other people too, right?

Anyways. It has been good.

Lamar

> >

> > So, I've been putting these off because says that in the

> > beginning we shouldn't try and do the work on ourselves. But thats the

> > entire reason I came to the work, because as far as I can tell, I am

> > the person I have a problem with. And at the behest of the very kind

> > woman on the other end of the Hotline (and an emotional breakdown

> > today) I have decided to do a little on myself.

> >

> > Heres a couple I pondered

> >

> > I should love myself

> > I shouldnt be anxious

> > I shouldn't have stressful thoughts

> >

> > Oh boy oh boy, let me tell you how nice it feels to question those.

> > The only turn arounds I used were, I shouldnt love myself until I do.

> > I should be anxious if I am, and I should have stressful thoughts.

> > Its very hard for me to SAY the opposites and believe it, but if I

> > just think them and let them sink in, it feels very kind.

> >

> > Lamar

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Vivian and all,

My suggestion is to do the work on whatever thoughts and beliefs feel

stressful, whether it is about ourself or about others. Both work for

me. Do it on whatever feels appropriate for you.

With thanks,

Jon

[Guest guest]

Jon is exactly right.

The " One Belief at a Time Worksheet " is for beliefs and generally those

can tend to start with " I. "

Do you know what's ever more fun and eye opening? (for me and some of

my friends, anyway)

Doing The Work on beliefs we don't think are stressful! Even the

positive ideas - so many of them contain unnoticed stress.

Heck, start with " I'm fine. " or " Happy Holidays. "

I like finding the subtle stuff under the obvious. For me, I find a

subtext of " I should be fine. " and " I should have Happy Holidays. "

Stress, stress, stress!

>

> Hi Vivian and all,

>

> My suggestion is to do the work on whatever thoughts and beliefs feel

> stressful, whether it is about ourself or about others. Both work for

> me. Do it on whatever feels appropriate for you.

>

> With thanks,

>

> Jon

>

[Guest guest]

i do have the book and the cd from a voice for love and

i really like it a lot..

Dont know if you would..

The authors david paul and candace doyle..

also mention katie and the work.. as being helpful.

In the voice for love the first exercise is to extend love

to all thoughts not to change them but to allow and accept them

So you could extend love to thoughts of i should

accept that is how you feel at this moment.

OR louise hay says dont use the word should because its a sign

you are judging and critical of yourself..

so instead use the word could.

but to get back to the voice for love.. its

Not to try to change the thoughts because to try to change

thoughts is a form of judgement.. and hating the thought.

an ego motive

just to experience loving all thoughts unconditionally.

like if you were angry you would extend love to feeling angry.

fearful, sad etc.. not to try to change that feeling or

experience but to love yourself through it.

I also have cheri hubers books.. I think if she didnt

say she was a bit scared.. i would think she was

into keeping up an image and into ego.

We are all spiritual beings having a delightfully human

experience.. to quote my unity teacher FLo.

Tolle says the ego is not bad.. to think the ego is

bad is more ego.. Judging is ego.

congradulations on waking up with no problems.. i wish i was

there.. i guess i am at times.. and not at times .

i often wake up creating problems but im working on it.

Tolle says if we are in present time totally there are no

problems.. its being in past and future that creates

a problem story..

best wishes, roslyn

-- In Loving-what-is , " felated_osiris "

wrote:

>

> Hi Roslyn, I originally encountered Byron from the book Undoing

> the Ego by Nouk who writes about liberation and ACIM. I've

> also seen the voice for love websight. Do you have the book? I'm

> curious about it but dont have the money for it at the moment.

>

> Here's a little bit about some noticed effect of doing the work last

> night...

>

> I have a love affair with the author Cheri Huber who writes about

> awareness practice and zen. A couple months ago I heard a podcast from

> her for the first time, and she was talking about how scary it was for

> her to be " on air " on the radio. Well!!! Ego Alert! My hero has

> problems! Let me tell you, a little bit of my love affair poofed! at

> that very moment.

> Well I woke up this morning and grabbed a book by her not even

> thinking of that, and started reading it, and there came those

> thought. Cheri shouldn't have problems. Spiritual people shouldnt be

> stressed. And this time, it didn't stick. It was great. And for the

> first time in days, I woke up and didnt have any problem.

> I think I understand why advises us not to do the work on

> ourselves right off the bat. But when all I can think is, I should not

> I should not I should not, other people seem pretty far off. And...

> All work on myself is work on other people too, right?

> Anyways. It has been good.

> Lamar

>

>

> > >

> > > So, I've been putting these off because says that in the

> > > beginning we shouldn't try and do the work on ourselves. But

thats the

> > > entire reason I came to the work, because as far as I can tell, I am

> > > the person I have a problem with. And at the behest of the very kind

> > > woman on the other end of the Hotline (and an emotional breakdown

> > > today) I have decided to do a little on myself.

> > >

> > > Heres a couple I pondered

> > >

> > > I should love myself

> > > I shouldnt be anxious

> > > I shouldn't have stressful thoughts

> > >

> > > Oh boy oh boy, let me tell you how nice it feels to question those.

> > > The only turn arounds I used were, I shouldnt love myself until

I do.

> > > I should be anxious if I am, and I should have stressful thoughts.

> > > Its very hard for me to SAY the opposites and believe it, but if I

> > > just think them and let them sink in, it feels very kind.

> > >

> > > Lamar

> > >

> >

>