Re: hi all question about food

November 24, 2003

Hello Shane,

I m sure will be able to be far more specific in helping you here,

but an idea my mom learned in the hospital was to have an open face

sandwich with peanut butter and cream cheese and a strawberry on top for a

little extra flavor and in her case

eye appeal. This way you eliminate the carbs or sugar in the second slice

of bread. No carbs at all in cream cheese and some brands of peanut

butter are lower than others in carbs.

I get the impression cooking is not one of your favorite tasks! Smile.

May I suggest you get a one quart crock pot and go from there. It makes a

hot meal once in a while smooth as silk.

Rita

November 24, 2003

hi, no actually I cook all the time, I just never had to pay attention to

carbs and stuff before, no the question I asked, was because my wife, was in

the mood for a peanut butter and jelly, and she made it, and was going to

make me one and then oopse jelly has sugar so I figured I would ask about

the harshness concerning these particular products. the cooking part I have

down well, smiles its the cooking with things I hate that I am learning

lol.For examples I am not a fan of a lot of the veggies out there I am a fan

of salad stuff cucumbers onions lettuce carrots sliced in a salad are okay

however plane carrots I do not enjoy celery I do radishes I do enjoy as

well. but a lot of the greens I hate like broccoli and spinach, yuck!

smiles.

shane

Re: hi all question about food

> Hello Shane,

>

> I m sure will be able to be far more specific in helping you here,

> but an idea my mom learned in the hospital was to have an open face

> sandwich with peanut butter and cream cheese and a strawberry on top for a

> little extra flavor and in her case

> eye appeal. This way you eliminate the carbs or sugar in the second slice

> of bread. No carbs at all in cream cheese and some brands of peanut

> butter are lower than others in carbs.

> I get the impression cooking is not one of your favorite tasks! Smile.

> May I suggest you get a one quart crock pot and go from there. It makes a

> hot meal once in a while smooth as silk.

>

> Rita

>

November 24, 2003

oops just got to this one Shane and it looks like a nice subject for the

thread. See my post about the peanut butter and jelly you want to pitch

*smile*.

regards,

hi all question about food

> hi all,

> I have a question about sandwiches, how much sugar does peanut butter

and jelly have in it, I am aware that jelly probably has a bunch, but is

there a type of jelly out there with a substitute in it or something. and

peanut butter is it loaded with sugar or does it have a little, I am totally

blind, and cannot read the jars. any help would be appreciated.

> shane

>

November 24, 2003

BTW one nice thing you can use to replace the sugar jelly is to use flavored

cream cheese like I was saying before use the strawberry flavored cream

cheese, 7 grams in 2 tablespoons, and 1 table spoon of natural peanut

butter, 7 grams, and then 2 slices of 8 gram bread. That sandwich would

total about 30 grams of carbs. Or, like she is suggesting, eat it open face

so you only eat 8 grams of carbs for the bread and then you would be eating

less carbs and getting the taste.

Main thing is, your pre meal bgs test should be 80 to 90 and your 2 hour

post meal test, meaning 2 hours past eating your meal, should be 120 or

less. If you can eat foods and keep your bgs under that tight control, go

for it. Any foods that make your pre meal or 2 hour post meal out of those

readings/ranges, you got to back off.

regards,

Re: hi all question about food

> Hello Shane,

>

> I m sure will be able to be far more specific in helping you here,

> but an idea my mom learned in the hospital was to have an open face

> sandwich with peanut butter and cream cheese and a strawberry on top for a

> little extra flavor and in her case

> eye appeal. This way you eliminate the carbs or sugar in the second slice

> of bread. No carbs at all in cream cheese and some brands of peanut

> butter are lower than others in carbs.

> I get the impression cooking is not one of your favorite tasks! Smile.

> May I suggest you get a one quart crock pot and go from there. It makes a

> hot meal once in a while smooth as silk.

>

> Rita

>

November 24, 2003

BTW Shane I don't know if you are a big breakfast person but for breakfast,

2 eggs only have 1 gram of carb in it and those 2 eggs on top of 2 slices of

bread, meaning a breakfast sandwich, and the bread having 8 grams per slice,

is only 17 grams of carbs for an egg sandwich for breakfast. Also, feel free

to top the eggs with a piece of cheese which is nearly free so nice filling

sandwich for about 17 grams of carbs. Pop you a few pieces of bacon if you

want that is nearly 0 grams of carbs in it as well. Man, I'm making myself

hungry *smile*. Just remember, pre meal test 80 to 90 and your 2 hour post

meal test should be 120 or less.

regards,

Re: hi all question about food

>

> > Hello Shane,

> >

> > I m sure will be able to be far more specific in helping you

here,

> > but an idea my mom learned in the hospital was to have an open face

> > sandwich with peanut butter and cream cheese and a strawberry on top for

a

> > little extra flavor and in her case

> > eye appeal. This way you eliminate the carbs or sugar in the second

slice

> > of bread. No carbs at all in cream cheese and some brands of peanut

> > butter are lower than others in carbs.

> > I get the impression cooking is not one of your favorite tasks! Smile.

> > May I suggest you get a one quart crock pot and go from there. It makes

a

> > hot meal once in a while smooth as silk.

> >

> > Rita

> >

>

November 24, 2003

Hello everybody. I just joined this list, because I need some help. My

husband was diagnosed with diabetes on Friday. His first test was 324

postprandial and his FBS the next day was 212. This morning, it was 258.

The doctor put him on 500 mg of Metformin, but said he would probably have

to adjust that. He goes back to the doctor tomorrow. He is an 50-year-old

male weighing 174 pounds. My question to you is where can I find a list

that will tell me diabetic exchanges and I also need to know how my starches

a day, ounces of protein etc. They did not give us any helpful information,

no diet to follow, just simply told him to cut down on his portions, no

regular pop and one fruit. Any help any of you can give me, since I am the

chief cook, would be very much appreciated. Thank goodness April told me

about this list. Thanks in advance.

Deb

Re: hi all question about food

>

> > Hello Shane,

> >

> > I m sure will be able to be far more specific in helping you

here,

> > but an idea my mom learned in the hospital was to have an open face

> > sandwich with peanut butter and cream cheese and a strawberry on top for

a

> > little extra flavor and in her case

> > eye appeal. This way you eliminate the carbs or sugar in the second

slice

> > of bread. No carbs at all in cream cheese and some brands of peanut

> > butter are lower than others in carbs.

> > I get the impression cooking is not one of your favorite tasks! Smile.

> > May I suggest you get a one quart crock pot and go from there. It makes

a

> > hot meal once in a while smooth as silk.

> >

> > Rita

> >

>

November 24, 2003

shane you are some what like me If someone asks me if I want spinige or greens

like that I normaly lt tell them if I want to graze I will go out to the back

yard friends wayne

Re: hi all question about food

> Hello Shane,

>

> I m sure will be able to be far more specific in helping you here,

> but an idea my mom learned in the hospital was to have an open face

> sandwich with peanut butter and cream cheese and a strawberry on top for a

> little extra flavor and in her case

> eye appeal. This way you eliminate the carbs or sugar in the second slice

> of bread. No carbs at all in cream cheese and some brands of peanut

> butter are lower than others in carbs.

> I get the impression cooking is not one of your favorite tasks! Smile.

> May I suggest you get a one quart crock pot and go from there. It makes a

> hot meal once in a while smooth as silk.

>

> Rita

>

November 24, 2003

In my opinion forget about that American Diabetes Association's exchange

list. Instead learn to count carbs, and count them well. After all it is

the conversion from carbohydrates to glucose that is the primary cullprit in

controlled with diabetes medication, whether or not it be oral medications

or injectible insulins. Limit your intake of carbohydrates to less than 120

grams of carbs per day. This is a guestimate, but a good start. When you

see how the glucose levels are doing in the next three or four days, then

you can adjust the carbohydrate grams per day up or down, preferrably down

to get an after meal reading of 120 or less two hours after eating a meal.

Do this for three months and get another A1C lab test done. An A1C of 6.2

or more is cause for concern. A normal A1C is closer to 5.0.

Re: hi all question about food

> >

> > > Hello Shane,

> > >

> > > I m sure will be able to be far more specific in helping you

> here,

> > > but an idea my mom learned in the hospital was to have an open face

> > > sandwich with peanut butter and cream cheese and a strawberry on top

for

> a

> > > little extra flavor and in her case

> > > eye appeal. This way you eliminate the carbs or sugar in the second

> slice

> > > of bread. No carbs at all in cream cheese and some brands of peanut

> > > butter are lower than others in carbs.

> > > I get the impression cooking is not one of your favorite tasks!

Smile.

> > > May I suggest you get a one quart crock pot and go from there. It

makes

> a

> > > hot meal once in a while smooth as silk.

> > >

> > > Rita

> > >

> >

November 24, 2003

Thanks for writing to me. They looked something up in the doctor's office

and told me that for his weight of 174 pounds, he could have 220 grams of

carbs a day, so you are saying only 120? Thaks very much.

Deb

Re: hi all question about food

> > >

> > > > Hello Shane,

> > > >

> > > > I m sure will be able to be far more specific in helping you

> > here,

> > > > but an idea my mom learned in the hospital was to have an open face

> > > > sandwich with peanut butter and cream cheese and a strawberry on top

> for

> > a

> > > > little extra flavor and in her case

> > > > eye appeal. This way you eliminate the carbs or sugar in the second

> > slice

> > > > of bread. No carbs at all in cream cheese and some brands of peanut

> > > > butter are lower than others in carbs.

> > > > I get the impression cooking is not one of your favorite tasks!

> Smile.

> > > > May I suggest you get a one quart crock pot and go from there. It

> makes

> > a

> > > > hot meal once in a while smooth as silk.

> > > >

> > > > Rita

> > > >

> > >

November 24, 2003

Hi Deb.

Well, welcome to the list. You are very lucky to have found this list. It is

one of the most aggressive and best educated diabetic lists around. Our

standard, for the most part, is to run an a1c of 5.0 which most of us are

close to running.

In a nut shell, how we do this, is to cut back on carbohydrates at each meal

since carbs, meaning starches, break down to sugar and sugar raises blood

sugar. By cutting back on carbohydrates, you will greatly reduce the amount

of sugar put in your husband's blood and stop the high blood sugars.

Basically, your husband's pre meal blood sugar should be 80 to 90 and then

you test your husband's blood sugar 2 hours past eating and it should be 120

or less. If his numbers aren't in those ranges, then you adjust down the

carbohydrates for each specific meal until you get his pre meal blood sugar

80 to 90 and his 2 hour post meal test to be 120 or less. You will have to

check him about 6 to 8 times a day for about 2 weeks until you get down how

many carbs he can eat per meal to keep a pre meal blood sugar reading of 80

to 90 and a 2 hour post meal test of 120 or less. We will help you

accomplish this.

For starters, allow your husband to eat 45 grams of carbs per meal. You

determine how many carbs are in foods by looking at the labels on your

foods. For example, 1 piece of your bread might say 17 grams of

carbohydrates in a slice, 1/2 cup of rice has 30 grams, 1 cup of cereal has

45 grams, etc.

You begin to remove carbohydrates out of his diet and limit them to 45 grams

per meal or whatever he can handle to keep his bgs in range and then replace

those carbohydrates with meats since meats have nearly 0 carbs in them so

they don't raise bgs.

So, it is not figuring out exchanges, but rather taking a total number of

carb grams per meal and adjusting his meal to match those carb grams then

filling him up with meat or leafy low carb veggies like green beans,

broccoli, lettuce, etc.

For example, lets say he is allowed 45 grams of carbs per meal, in fact, I'd

say start him out at that. Here is what he could have for

breakfast/lunch/dinner as an example:

* breakfast 1 slice of bread 15 grams, 2 eggs 1 carb, 2 pieces of bacon 0

carbs, 1 cup of milk 11 carbs, 1 piece of cheese 0 carbs totaling 28 carbs

* lunch 2 slices of bread 30 grams of carbs, 3 pieces of any meat 1 carb, 2

pieces of celery with cream cheese on them 7 grams, total carbs 38

* dinner 1/2 cup of mashed potatoes 20 grams, 1 slice of buttered bread 15

grams, as much turkey with gravy as he wants, 1 salad with 2 tablespoon of

salad dressing 6 carbs, total carbs 45

and so on. Read the labels on the foods you purchase or are plannign on

feeding him. If it doesn't have a label on it, then there is no way to

accurately measure the carbohydrate grams he is putting into his blood

stream. Recall, carbs break down to sugar and sugar raises blood sugar

levels. So, you don't have to change what you cook, but you should purchase

foods that have labels on them so you can count the carbs in each serving of

the foods.

I'd suggest to start your husband off with 45 grams of carbs per meal and

*you must* check his blood sugar before each meal and 2 hours past eating

the meal to see what his bgs are running. You should check him prior to bed

as well since it is important that he eat something prior to bed so he

doesn't get a low sugar at night. You may want to start him off with 1 piece

of toast prior to bed and then we can work on that later on if his morning

bgs is high from the 1 piece of bread.

I'd say if you follow what we are suggesting to you, in about 1.5 weeks your

husband will be running a pre meal sugar of 80 to 90 and a 2 hour post meal

test of 120 or less without the help of a doctor.

One thing you will want to do is stop by wallmart and pick up a bottle of 50

glucose tablets. If his bgs goes below 70, meaning he is getting low, 1

glucose tablet will raise his bgs 20 points so you don't want to use juice,

candy, etc. the traditional foods taught to raise a low bgs. This is because

those types of foods have a 4 hour spike. That means in 3 to 4 hours past

eating them, his blood sugar will spike to 250 to 300 so glucose tablets

removes that spike. It lets you accurately determine how many he needs to

eat to raise his bgs. I.E if his bgs was 50, and he needs to be 80 to 90,

you would have him eat 2 glucose tablets to raise him 40 points back to 90

and he will never spike past that.

There is a lot to learn, print my emails and others and learn from us, we've

been doing this for a while and know what works.

Finally, as your husbands blood sugars begin to come in range, meaning 80 to

90 pre meal and 120 or less 2 hour post meal, he will begin to feel as

though he has a low blood sugar even if his blood sugar shows 130 for

example. This is because his body is use to running a *very* high blood

sugar so when he begins to get regulated, he may feel low when he is

actually high. Any time he feels low, check his blood sugar. If it says it

is higher than 90, then you know this is what is happening and he doesn't

require any glucose tablets. That feeling of feeling low when you aren't

really low will subside in about 3 days after being regulated.

Ask questions, I'm here to help along with others. To give yo an idea of my

lab work:

3 days ago:

a1c 5.3

LDL 78

HDL 56

Trigliserites 116

all from moderately carbing. I wouldn't say we are low carbing but rather

watching our carbs and moderately carbing would be the proper way of putting

it.

regards,

Re: hi all question about food

> >

> > > Hello Shane,

> > >

> > > I m sure will be able to be far more specific in helping you

> here,

> > > but an idea my mom learned in the hospital was to have an open face

> > > sandwich with peanut butter and cream cheese and a strawberry on top

for

> a

> > > little extra flavor and in her case

> > > eye appeal. This way you eliminate the carbs or sugar in the second

> slice

> > > of bread. No carbs at all in cream cheese and some brands of peanut

> > > butter are lower than others in carbs.

> > > I get the impression cooking is not one of your favorite tasks!

Smile.

> > > May I suggest you get a one quart crock pot and go from there. It

makes

> a

> > > hot meal once in a while smooth as silk.

> > >

> > > Rita

> > >

> >

November 25, 2003

, Hi. If you can send me that list, I would really appreciate it.

Thanks.

Deb

Re: hi all question about food

> > > >

> > > > > Hello Shane,

> > > > >

> > > > > I m sure will be able to be far more specific in helping

you

> > > here,

> > > > > but an idea my mom learned in the hospital was to have an open

face

> > > > > sandwich with peanut butter and cream cheese and a strawberry on

top

> > for

> > > a

> > > > > little extra flavor and in her case

> > > > > eye appeal. This way you eliminate the carbs or sugar in the

second

> > > slice

> > > > > of bread. No carbs at all in cream cheese and some brands of

peanut

> > > > > butter are lower than others in carbs.

> > > > > I get the impression cooking is not one of your favorite tasks!

> > Smile.

> > > > > May I suggest you get a one quart crock pot and go from there. It

> > makes

> > > a

> > > > > hot meal once in a while smooth as silk.

> > > > >

> > > > > Rita

> > > > >

> > > >

November 25, 2003

Hi Dean. Thanks so much. I was wondering if you sent me the attachment? I

did not receive it if you did.

Thanks. Deb

Re: hi all question about food

> > > > >

> > > > > > Hello Shane,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I m sure will be able to be far more specific in helping

> you

> > > > here,

> > > > > > but an idea my mom learned in the hospital was to have an open

> face

> > > > > > sandwich with peanut butter and cream cheese and a strawberry on

> top

> > > for

> > > > a

> > > > > > little extra flavor and in her case

> > > > > > eye appeal. This way you eliminate the carbs or sugar in the

> second

> > > > slice

> > > > > > of bread. No carbs at all in cream cheese and some brands of

> peanut

> > > > > > butter are lower than others in carbs.

> > > > > > I get the impression cooking is not one of your favorite tasks!

> > > Smile.

> > > > > > May I suggest you get a one quart crock pot and go from there.

It

> > > makes

> > > > a

> > > > > > hot meal once in a while smooth as silk.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Rita

> > > > > >

> > > > >

November 25, 2003

Good morning everybody. I have two questions. First of all are there

different types of talking glucometers and which one is the best to get?

Secondly, you have been talking about carbs a lot, but also on packages

there is the sugar content such as 7 grams, etc. Should I be counting those

as well?

Thanks.

Deb

Re: hi all question about food

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hello Shane,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I m sure will be able to be far more specific in

helping

> > you

> > > > > here,

> > > > > > > but an idea my mom learned in the hospital was to have an open

> > face

> > > > > > > sandwich with peanut butter and cream cheese and a strawberry

on

> > top

> > > > for

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > little extra flavor and in her case

> > > > > > > eye appeal. This way you eliminate the carbs or sugar in the

> > second

> > > > > slice

> > > > > > > of bread. No carbs at all in cream cheese and some brands of

> > peanut

> > > > > > > butter are lower than others in carbs.

> > > > > > > I get the impression cooking is not one of your favorite

tasks!

> > > > Smile.

> > > > > > > May I suggest you get a one quart crock pot and go from there.

> It

> > > > makes

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > hot meal once in a while smooth as silk.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Rita

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

November 25, 2003

Hi Shane.

Hey no problem. If you have any questions on what to eat, let us know, we

have some good stuff you can eat and it isn't all about suffering *smile*.

regards,

Re: hi all question about food

> > > > >

> > > > > > Hello Shane,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I m sure will be able to be far more specific in helping

> you

> > > > here,

> > > > > > but an idea my mom learned in the hospital was to have an open

> face

> > > > > > sandwich with peanut butter and cream cheese and a strawberry on

> top

> > > for

> > > > a

> > > > > > little extra flavor and in her case

> > > > > > eye appeal. This way you eliminate the carbs or sugar in the

> second

> > > > slice

> > > > > > of bread. No carbs at all in cream cheese and some brands of

> peanut

> > > > > > butter are lower than others in carbs.

> > > > > > I get the impression cooking is not one of your favorite tasks!

> > > Smile.

> > > > > > May I suggest you get a one quart crock pot and go from there.

It

> > > makes

> > > > a

> > > > > > hot meal once in a while smooth as silk.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Rita

> > > > > >

> > > > >

November 25, 2003

Well I doubled the size of my spinach salad which I have three times a week

and drank n extra cup of coffee. Feel better thank you. I counted the

extra coffee as liquid. This may be a bit debateable, but there it is.

While I didn't exactly exercise, I did hit the housekeeping bit. Now that

is exercise of sorts with results which show!

So thanks for the encouragement to help drop weight.

Rita

November 25, 2003

Deb.

Please be a pest, as much of one as you possibly can be, we welcome it

*smile*. We love to help everyone out. Now, if you are good with a screen

reader, here is a site that will let you look up foods to get carb grams and

it is quite accessible. It its he USDA online food database. Here is the

link but then keep reading:

http://www.nal.usda.gov/fnic/cgi-bin/nut_search.pl

When you do a search, use words like this:

white bread

wheat bread

white rice

raw red apple

raw pear

canned peaches

....

and the next screen that appears after you submit the search words lets you

select the match you want. The next screen beyond that asks for portion size

and by default, 100 grams is checked on the screen so uncheck that and

select something more understandable such as 1 cup, or 1/2 cup, etc.

Finally, press enter on show report, think the button is, and the next page

will show all the ingredients for the food, including carb grams, and if you

do a screen search for the word carb it will stop on the word carbohydrate

then down arrow one and it will read, for example, 32 g. This means that

portion size of that food would have 32 g of carbs in it. Recall, keep

breakfast/lunch/dinner at 45 grams of carbs for him right now.

Another resource to use for eating out at common restaurants is

www.calorieking.com. you can do a search for s, Mcs, pizza hut,

papa john's, olive garden, etc. and all those restaurants list the foods and

carb grams per portion size etc. Great for pre-planning what you will eat

prior to leaving the home.

If you and your husband are blind, when you purchase foods at the store,

have someone read the carb grams on tape for you as you purchase. Always

purchase the same name brand foods so you will know what the carb grams are.

I.E if you purchase generic eggos, then always purchase the generic

brand/flavor eggos so you know the carb grams in it and won't have to

wonder. If you have foods in your home and don't know what the carb grams

are, you can often times use the USDA search engine, calorieking.com, and

Dean's carb list to match similar foods and get a rough idea on what to

count for carbs. For example, lets say you have a bag of pretzels but no

clue how many are in a serving nor how many carbs since you can't see the

label. You look at Deans list of carbs and it says 6 pretzels has 22 carbs.

You go to the USDA search engine and it says 6 pretzels, medium sized, has

28 carbs. You have a good rough idea of what the carb grams are in 6

pretzels based on the two resources so pick the average or something in the

middle. So, you could say that 6 pretzels have 22 carbs for example. BTW

this was made up I have no clue what carb grams are in 6 pretzels. This is

why it is important to have the carb grams on your foods read on tape for

you and to *always* purchase the same name brand foods so the carb grams

won't change and it will make it easier for you to calculate. This is why I

suggest to get the same name brand foods all the time, just because it makes

it easier for us blind folk to keep it all together and calculate carbs.

regards,

Re: hi all question about food

> > > >

> > > > > Hello Shane,

> > > > >

> > > > > I m sure will be able to be far more specific in helping

you

> > > here,

> > > > > but an idea my mom learned in the hospital was to have an open

face

> > > > > sandwich with peanut butter and cream cheese and a strawberry on

top

> > for

> > > a

> > > > > little extra flavor and in her case

> > > > > eye appeal. This way you eliminate the carbs or sugar in the

second

> > > slice

> > > > > of bread. No carbs at all in cream cheese and some brands of

peanut

> > > > > butter are lower than others in carbs.

> > > > > I get the impression cooking is not one of your favorite tasks!

> > Smile.

> > > > > May I suggest you get a one quart crock pot and go from there. It

> > makes

> > > a

> > > > > hot meal once in a while smooth as silk.

> > > > >

> > > > > Rita

> > > > >

> > > >

November 25, 2003

BTW Deb you mentioned

quote

I want to do everything right for him.

unquote

Well, don't be to hard on yourself. You have a lot to learn and it will take

you some time to learn so be patient. Your husband must also learn and not

just you. It is important that both of you become educated on the process of

counting carbs to control diabetes. After about 2 months, mark my words Deb,

you will be a champ at this and his sugars will be totally under control and

he will feel so much better. The benefit to running good bgs and a1c levels

of 5.0 to 5.5 is that you feel physically great! And you have lots of

energy!

If he gets hungry and wants to snack, don't let him snack on carbs like

potato chips, pretzels, etc. let him eat lunch meat like turkey, cheese,

pepperoni, scrambled eggs with cheese sprinkled on top, green beans,

broccoli, salad, and foods like that. Those are *very* low carb snack foods

and will not spike his blood sugar. So, snack foods now are meats and green

leafy veggies like broccoli, green beans, asparagus, cauliflower, zucchini,

cucumbers, etc. Back off carrots since they have a lot of natural sugar in

them and can raise bgs.

Fire away with questions, we are here to help. Remember, just don't read

this information, study it! Again, just don't read it, *study* it... you are

in school now Deb for about 2 months *smile*. Since you are visually

impaired, save the emails and re-read them each day like 2 times a day to

start to comprehend the information. Any question you have, you must ask it

so we can help you along.

regards,

Re: hi all question about food

> > > >

> > > > > Hello Shane,

> > > > >

> > > > > I m sure will be able to be far more specific in helping

you

> > > here,

> > > > > but an idea my mom learned in the hospital was to have an open

face

> > > > > sandwich with peanut butter and cream cheese and a strawberry on

top

> > for

> > > a

> > > > > little extra flavor and in her case

> > > > > eye appeal. This way you eliminate the carbs or sugar in the

second

> > > slice

> > > > > of bread. No carbs at all in cream cheese and some brands of

peanut

> > > > > butter are lower than others in carbs.

> > > > > I get the impression cooking is not one of your favorite tasks!

> > Smile.

> > > > > May I suggest you get a one quart crock pot and go from there. It

> > makes

> > > a

> > > > > hot meal once in a while smooth as silk.

> > > > >

> > > > > Rita

> > > > >

> > > >

November 25, 2003

if you have any problems using the USDA web site, just post and I'll help

you out no problem. I use JFW v5 as well. Since you use JFW v5, I'd suggest

to copy/paste any information you find helpful into a microsoft word doc or

into a note pad text file and save it. You could put two plus signs on the

line prior to new information starting and label it so you can easily jump

from information to information. For example:

++ how to count carbs

....

++ low carb foods

....

++ web sites to use

....

and so on. Very useful way of gathering/categorizing informationad makes it

extremely easy to review each day.

regards,

Re: hi all question about food

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hello Shane,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I m sure will be able to be far more specific in

helping

> > you

> > > > > here,

> > > > > > > but an idea my mom learned in the hospital was to have an open

> > face

> > > > > > > sandwich with peanut butter and cream cheese and a strawberry

on

> > top

> > > > for

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > little extra flavor and in her case

> > > > > > > eye appeal. This way you eliminate the carbs or sugar in the

> > second

> > > > > slice

> > > > > > > of bread. No carbs at all in cream cheese and some brands of

> > peanut

> > > > > > > butter are lower than others in carbs.

> > > > > > > I get the impression cooking is not one of your favorite

tasks!

> > > > Smile.

> > > > > > > May I suggest you get a one quart crock pot and go from there.

> It

> > > > makes

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > hot meal once in a while smooth as silk.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Rita

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

November 25, 2003

Thanks . I will do that. I am also going to put the info I find in

my braille lite as well, because when we are away from home, I will have it

right at my fingertips. Deb

Re: hi all question about food

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Hello Shane,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I m sure will be able to be far more specific in

> helping

> > > you

> > > > > > here,

> > > > > > > > but an idea my mom learned in the hospital was to have an

open

> > > face

> > > > > > > > sandwich with peanut butter and cream cheese and a

strawberry

> on

> > > top

> > > > > for

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > little extra flavor and in her case

> > > > > > > > eye appeal. This way you eliminate the carbs or sugar in

the

> > > second

> > > > > > slice

> > > > > > > > of bread. No carbs at all in cream cheese and some brands

of

> > > peanut

> > > > > > > > butter are lower than others in carbs.

> > > > > > > > I get the impression cooking is not one of your favorite

> tasks!

> > > > > Smile.

> > > > > > > > May I suggest you get a one quart crock pot and go from

there.

> > It

> > > > > makes

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > hot meal once in a while smooth as silk.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Rita

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

November 25, 2003

BTW Deb one thing people will bark about is eating more protein won't it

ruine a diabetics kidneys? Nope, we are not atkins here, we are moderately

carbing. Besides, it is high blood sugar that ruines kidneys, not eating

protein. My lab work adn others lab work here on the list proves this. When

you get lab work done for your husband, the main levels you want to pay

attention to are, and I'll explain them to you:

*hemoglobin a1c

This test lets you know how much glucose has bound to hemoglobin cells in

the blood. It can test back as far as three months to let you know how well

your blood sugars are running. We run a1c levels of 5.0 to 5.5 on the list

and most doctors say 6.5 to 8.0 is fine. A normal non-diabetics a1c is 4.5

to 5.0. If an a1c is high, that means there is elevated sugar in the blood

and that is what eats away at eyes, kidneys, legs, etc.

* cholesterol broken down to individual types: LDL, HDL, trigliserites

LDL is the bad cholesterol that causes strokes. A diabetics LDL level should

be under 100. Most docs say 130 or less is good but being diabetic, you must

be agressive so under 100 is good. My last LDL moderately carbing and eating

more meats/fats was 78. To lower LDL if it is high, you can lower the amount

of fatty foods you eat. If you are eating fatty foods like cheese, bacon,

eggs, etc. and your LDL is fine then you are ok to eat those types of foods

YMMV.

HDL is the good cholesterol. Anything over 50 is considered good. My last

HDL reading was 56.

* Trigliserites can be deadly. These are raised/elevated by sugar in the

blood. You'll find that by moderately carbing, your tries will greatly drop.

Anything under 150 is considered good but I'd say as a diabetic, anything

under 130 is good. My last reading was 116. Tries are raised by sugar in the

blood so most associate raised tries by eating sweets but not always the

case, a high carb diet will raise tries as well since carbs break down to

sugar and sugar raises tries.

* creatinine - this is a test to show how well the kidneys are functioning.

Normal levels are 1.0 to 1.2 and my last was 1.5. In diabetics, high blood

sugars can ruine/damage kidneys. Mine was slightly damaged by running a1c

levels of 7 for 13 years and being told that was a good level by my docs.

Not true, a1c levels of 5.0 to 5.5 is good, not 7. Any how, a creatinine

level of 1.8 to 1.9 is still considered to be ok by diabetic docs. It is

considered to be higher than they would like, but still is ok. As long as he

keeps his bgs under control, his creatinine level should be good for a long

long time and probably will not be effected at all. Recall, it is only the

presence of high blood sugar in the blood that eats away at kidneys, eyes,

legs, etc. if the high blood sugar is not present in the blood, and the a1c

is 5 to 5.5, your good to go.

So, every three months, you want to get blood work done to check these

levels. It is the blood work that will let you know that you are doing a

good job, give you that positive re-enforcer that says good job! It also

lets you know what foods you can eat and how it effects your body. Everyone

is different. A famous saying on here is YMMV meaning your milage may vary.

For example, I can eat 2 eggs with cheese every day and bacon and my LDL

cholesterol is 78. Another person's LDL may be 190 because of that so they

would have to adjust their diet to not use so much fat in it and back off

the eggs or bacon etc. YMMV.

I'd say for the first 3 months here while you are learning, have your

husband eat what he likes, meaning cheese bacon meats, etc. and then in 3

months see what his lab work is like. If the levels are good, then he can

continue to eat what he is eating. At any 3 month test you see one of the

levels getting to high, you know what to back off. I.E if at your 9 month

blood work test, you see the LDL is up to 115, you know to back off fatty

foods some like cheese, fatty meats, etc.

So, it is real important to understand these levels in your blood since it

is a YMMV issue and what foods he can eat. One thing for certain though, by

cutting back the carbs and moderately carbing, your cholesterol will

*greatly* improve in general so you typically dont' see any problems with

any cholesterol levels ever moderately carbing. It is normally only eating

very high carb meals that cause your cholesterol to be very high.

Regards,

Re: hi all question about food

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hello Shane,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I m sure will be able to be far more specific in

helping

> > you

> > > > > here,

> > > > > > > but an idea my mom learned in the hospital was to have an open

> > face

> > > > > > > sandwich with peanut butter and cream cheese and a strawberry

on

> > top

> > > > for

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > little extra flavor and in her case

> > > > > > > eye appeal. This way you eliminate the carbs or sugar in the

> > second

> > > > > slice

> > > > > > > of bread. No carbs at all in cream cheese and some brands of

> > peanut

> > > > > > > butter are lower than others in carbs.

> > > > > > > I get the impression cooking is not one of your favorite

tasks!

> > > > Smile.

> > > > > > > May I suggest you get a one quart crock pot and go from there.

> It

> > > > makes

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > hot meal once in a while smooth as silk.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Rita

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

November 25, 2003

if his sugar was 231 this morning, what did he eat before he went to bed?

You see, whatever he ate prior to bed caused that 231 sugar reading so we

need to adjust that bed time snack some. Also, if he is 231 for breakfast,

I'd suggest skipping breakfast and not eating it and drinking lots of water.

Water causes the blood to thin out and makes the cells more receptive to the

insulin in his blood so it can better bring down the high bgs. Check him

prior to lunch adn see what his bgs is at that point and if he is within

range, feed him 45 grams of carbs. Recall, if he gets hungry, let him eat

meat, it won't raise the bgs very low carb. Whip him up a 3 egg onlett with

cheese or whatever so his belly is full and with low carb food so it won't

raise his bgs anymore.

Yes, he may need more oral medication but he may not since if you get him on

45 grams of carbs a meal that may do the trick with what he is currently

taking.

BTW good for you being a medical trans... that will really help you since

you'll be familiar with lots of terms and categorizing the information we

are sharing with you.

regards,

Re: hi all question about food

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hello Shane,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I m sure will be able to be far more specific in

helping

> > you

> > > > > here,

> > > > > > > but an idea my mom learned in the hospital was to have an open

> > face

> > > > > > > sandwich with peanut butter and cream cheese and a strawberry

on

> > top

> > > > for

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > little extra flavor and in her case

> > > > > > > eye appeal. This way you eliminate the carbs or sugar in the

> > second

> > > > > slice

> > > > > > > of bread. No carbs at all in cream cheese and some brands of

> > peanut

> > > > > > > butter are lower than others in carbs.

> > > > > > > I get the impression cooking is not one of your favorite

tasks!

> > > > Smile.

> > > > > > > May I suggest you get a one quart crock pot and go from there.

> It

> > > > makes

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > hot meal once in a while smooth as silk.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Rita

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

November 25, 2003

Actually, he did not eat a snack last night. He just didn't want it. This

orning, he had 1 biscuit, two pieces of bacon and a cup of 1% milk. He

doesn't like eggs, unfortunately. Deb

Re: hi all question about food

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Hello Shane,

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > I m sure will be able to be far more specific in

> helping

> > > you

> > > > > > here,

> > > > > > > > but an idea my mom learned in the hospital was to have an

open

> > > face

> > > > > > > > sandwich with peanut butter and cream cheese and a

strawberry

> on

> > > top

> > > > > for

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > little extra flavor and in her case

> > > > > > > > eye appeal. This way you eliminate the carbs or sugar in

the

> > > second

> > > > > > slice

> > > > > > > > of bread. No carbs at all in cream cheese and some brands

of

> > > peanut

> > > > > > > > butter are lower than others in carbs.

> > > > > > > > I get the impression cooking is not one of your favorite

> tasks!

> > > > > Smile.

> > > > > > > > May I suggest you get a one quart crock pot and go from

there.

> > It

> > > > > makes

> > > > > > a

> > > > > > > > hot meal once in a while smooth as silk.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Rita

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

November 25, 2003

BTW keep in mind he is fighting an infection so the high bgs of 231 could be

a result of that as well. Having an infection in his foot and just being

diagnosed with diabetes does slightly make it more of a challenge to get his

bgs under control. Once the infection is fully subsided, getting his bgs

under control will be much easier.

regards,

Re: hi all question about food

> > > > > >

> > > > > > > Hello Shane,

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I m sure will be able to be far more specific in

helping

> > you

> > > > > here,

> > > > > > > but an idea my mom learned in the hospital was to have an open

> > face

> > > > > > > sandwich with peanut butter and cream cheese and a strawberry

on

> > top

> > > > for

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > little extra flavor and in her case

> > > > > > > eye appeal. This way you eliminate the carbs or sugar in the

> > second

> > > > > slice

> > > > > > > of bread. No carbs at all in cream cheese and some brands of

> > peanut

> > > > > > > butter are lower than others in carbs.

> > > > > > > I get the impression cooking is not one of your favorite

tasks!

> > > > Smile.

> > > > > > > May I suggest you get a one quart crock pot and go from there.

> It

> > > > makes

> > > > > a

> > > > > > > hot meal once in a while smooth as silk.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Rita

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

November 25, 2003

Just for all to know so Deb doesn't get hammered with file attachments I've

sent the carb list to her that Dean posted a while back.

regards,

Re: hi all question about food

> > > > >

> > > > > > Hello Shane,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I m sure will be able to be far more specific in helping

> you

> > > > here,

> > > > > > but an idea my mom learned in the hospital was to have an open

> face

> > > > > > sandwich with peanut butter and cream cheese and a strawberry on

> top

> > > for

> > > > a

> > > > > > little extra flavor and in her case

> > > > > > eye appeal. This way you eliminate the carbs or sugar in the

> second

> > > > slice

> > > > > > of bread. No carbs at all in cream cheese and some brands of

> peanut

> > > > > > butter are lower than others in carbs.

> > > > > > I get the impression cooking is not one of your favorite tasks!

> > > Smile.

> > > > > > May I suggest you get a one quart crock pot and go from there.

It

> > > makes

> > > > a

> > > > > > hot meal once in a while smooth as silk.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Rita

> > > > > >

> > > > >

November 25, 2003

That's a good idea, deb. Yes, it sounds like he will need additional

medication, but they always start out slowly to avoid complications from too

much medication. Just keep up the low carbs as suggests. also the

infection will make his blood sugars run high until it is under good

control.

Re: hi all question about food

Hi . I am saving every email you guys send me. I will read them each

day. His sugar this morning was still at 231 and I am counting carbs. I

think that they are going to have to increase the medication. He goes back

to the doctor this afternoon and I am definitely going with him. He tends

not to tell me everything. For example, he told me in the beginning that

his foot was a little red with a slight rash. (oh). Guess he doesn't want

to worry me. So from now on, Deb goes to the doctor. Also, I am a medical

transcriber so I have a real understanding of what the doctor is saying and

I can perhaps ask some questions that Terry wouldn't think of asking. Well,

gotta get back to work. Deb

Re: hi all question about food

> > > > >

> > > > > > Hello Shane,

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I m sure will be able to be far more specific in helping

> you

> > > > here,

> > > > > > but an idea my mom learned in the hospital was to have an open

> face

> > > > > > sandwich with peanut butter and cream cheese and a strawberry on

> top

> > > for

> > > > a

> > > > > > little extra flavor and in her case

> > > > > > eye appeal. This way you eliminate the carbs or sugar in the

> second

> > > > slice

> > > > > > of bread. No carbs at all in cream cheese and some brands of

> peanut

> > > > > > butter are lower than others in carbs.

> > > > > > I get the impression cooking is not one of your favorite tasks!

> > > Smile.

> > > > > > May I suggest you get a one quart crock pot and go from there.

It

> > > makes

> > > > a

> > > > > > hot meal once in a while smooth as silk.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Rita

> > > > > >

> > > > >

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