Guest guest Posted April 29, 2006 Report Share Posted April 29, 2006 If you are inclined, you can also watch the surgery on this site. I watched about 30 seconds and turned it off.....Ann Meili wrote: On this website there is an interview with two doctors and they discuss surgery. I have not checked out the entire site yet but the Channel 12 news report was interesting.Bloodless Prostate Cancer Surgery with Robotics - Radical Laparoscopic Prostatectomy How low will we go? Check out Yahoo! Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. Yahoo! Messenger with Voice. Make PC-to-Phone Calls to the US (and 30+ countries) for 2¢/min or less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2007 Report Share Posted May 12, 2007 Annette. all, See: http://www.snopes.com/religion/einstein.asp Personally it is amazing that God would exist and obscure God to the extent God is responsible for God's own self-obscuration. I realize there are a number of extremely dour belief systems that require God to be almost a devilish trickster. Theodicy, eh? My question for every believer in a God presumed to be also my God is: how would you go about clarifying how your God is surely my God? It's not that the answer will just be not satisfying to me. I've never even been provided a decently coherent answer by any standard whatsoever. And, I'm a believer! I just don't believe my beliefs have any wider applications that I could coherently promote. Yet, it is apparent besides finding one's own way there is powerful urge (demi-urge?) compelling many believers to presume that their own sense is correct and anybody who doesn't agree just hasn't gotten " there " yet. If I may mangle the aphorism: perhaps the harmless atheist gets more quality time in heaven than the fervent believing proselytizer. regards, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2007 Report Share Posted May 12, 2007 said: >If I may mangle the aphorism: perhaps the harmless atheist gets more quality time in heaven than the fervent believing proselytizer. While you may assume that the above question somehow satisfies the conundrum, it presents yet another. You have argued that we cannot adequately share our personal Imago Dei (internal concept of God) in any really meaningful way with another person. And I agree with you. I suggest the same can be said for the concept of " heaven. " Constantine's insistence that Christian doctrine be codified and unified for all believers to believe " properly " was, well, efficient. Unfortunately, the congregants at Nicea threw the baby out with the bathwater. And we have struggled with a defective collective God image during all these subsequent centuries. The gnostics had many things right IMO, yet their doctrines were consigned to the dust heap of history, only to be rediscovered in the 1940s, both at the Dead Sea and at Nag Hammadi. Yet we have been slow to rediscover their ancient and positive contribution to the God Image to which Jung himself seemed to subscribe in so many ways. I am becoming more and more persuaded that heaven is not a place we attain to after death. Although the latter idea certainly opens up the idea of reincarnation as an appealing and very sensible idea, even within the Christian context. " The Kingdom " can also be thought of (to me productively) as a " way of being " in the " here and now. " That indeed is what Jesus was saying to us, if we read many of the holy scriptures esoterically (with eyes that can see). Yet we are seduced into the repeatedly asserted (and highly over-rated) concept, century after century, that we have to die to get there. A whole new world can open psychologically and spiritually, when one sees the Kingdom of Heaven as something available to us at any moment, in this lifetime! To quote Gershwin: " The things that your preacha is likely to teach ya, it aint necessarily so.... " Greg _______________________________________________ Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com The most personalized portal on the Web! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2007 Report Share Posted May 12, 2007 > > If I may mangle the aphorism: perhaps the harmless atheist gets more > quality time in heaven than the fervent believing proselytizer. > > regards, > > > Hi ! Think that video is based on a fake quote, which doesn't surprise me, but it is still very beautiful and has some truth. It's too bad its author felt it necessary to ascribe it to Einstein as it strikes me as un-Einstein like. You too? Belief. Ah, belief. No, don't believe. Forget about believe, waste of time. Well, okay believe until you know. Have faith above reason. And, then don't waste another moment, find the truth. It's the most important question in your life, you're going to leave it to " believe? " Do you believe your checking account has money? (Mine doesn't *grin* just kidding.) Why were you born? What is the purpose of your life? Why are you here? And, sorry, , you ain't goin' to heaven. YOu and Clapton can Knock on Heaven's Door all ye like. Bang away. You'll just keep comin' back until you know. And, even then it may take another lifetime or two to get it all down because just knowing is just beginning the work. Much Love*Light 'bo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 12, 2007 Report Share Posted May 12, 2007 Greg, Right! Right here, right now! Love, 'bo > > > > said: > > >If I may mangle the aphorism: perhaps the harmless atheist gets more > quality time in heaven than the fervent believing proselytizer. > > While you may assume that the above question somehow satisfies the conundrum, it presents yet another. You have argued that we cannot adequately share our personal Imago Dei (internal concept of God) in any really meaningful way with another person. And I agree with you. I suggest the same can be said for the concept of " heaven. " > > Constantine's insistence that Christian doctrine be codified and unified for all believers to believe " properly " was, well, efficient. Unfortunately, the congregants at Nicea threw the baby out with the bathwater. And we have struggled with a defective collective God image during all these subsequent centuries. The gnostics had many things right IMO, yet their doctrines were consigned to the dust heap of history, only to be rediscovered in the 1940s, both at the Dead Sea and at Nag Hammadi. Yet we have been slow to rediscover their ancient and positive contribution to the God Image to which Jung himself seemed to subscribe in so many ways. > > I am becoming more and more persuaded that heaven is not a place we attain to after death. Although the latter idea certainly opens up the idea of reincarnation as an appealing and very sensible idea, even within the Christian context. " The Kingdom " can also be thought of (to me productively) as a " way of being " in the " here and now. " That indeed is what Jesus was saying to us, if we read many of the holy scriptures esoterically (with eyes that can see). Yet we are seduced into the repeatedly asserted (and highly over-rated) concept, century after century, that we have to die to get there. A whole new world can open psychologically and spiritually, when one sees the Kingdom of Heaven as something available to us at any moment, in this lifetime! To quote Gershwin: " The things that your preacha is likely to teach ya, it aint necessarily so.... " > > Greg > > _______________________________________________ > Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com > The most personalized portal on the Web! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 13, 2007 Report Share Posted May 13, 2007 A whole new world can open psychologically and spiritually, when one sees the Kingdom of Heaven as something available to us at any moment, in this lifetime! To quote Gershwin: "The things that your preacha is likely to teach ya, it aint necessarily so...." Jesus says in the Gospel acc to : Heaven is spread upon the earth but men cannot see it." ! love aoSee what's free at AOL.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2008 Report Share Posted March 27, 2008 Here is an 18 min video that is worth watching. A woman, Jill, who is a brain scientist/researcher gives a moving, enlightening talk about consciousness as she discusses what happened when she had a stroke. www.microclesia.com/?p=320Eve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 3, 2008 Report Share Posted April 3, 2008 This video is amazing, not the least due to her way of expressing her experience and her ability to describe what most likely is truly indescribable. I doubt that such a thing happened to a "brain-ologist" by chance since who could better explain the functions of the brain in terms of experience? Blissings, Sam Here is an 18 min video that is worth watching. A woman, Jill, who is a brain scientist/researcher gives a moving, enlightening talk about consciousness as she discusses what happened when she had a stroke. www.microclesia.com/?p=320 Eve Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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