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Annette. all,

See: http://www.snopes.com/religion/einstein.asp

Personally it is amazing that God would exist and obscure God to the

extent God is responsible for God's own self-obscuration.

I realize there are a number of extremely dour belief systems that require

God to be almost a devilish trickster.

Theodicy, eh?

My question for every believer in a God presumed to be also my God is: how

would you go about clarifying how your God is surely my God? It's not that

the answer will just be not satisfying to me. I've never even been

provided a decently coherent answer by any standard whatsoever.

And, I'm a believer! I just don't believe my beliefs have any wider

applications that I could coherently promote. Yet, it is apparent besides

finding one's own way there is powerful urge (demi-urge?) compelling many

believers to presume that their own sense is correct and anybody who

doesn't agree just hasn't gotten " there " yet.

If I may mangle the aphorism: perhaps the harmless atheist gets more

quality time in heaven than the fervent believing proselytizer.

regards,

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>If I may mangle the aphorism: perhaps the harmless atheist gets more

quality time in heaven than the fervent believing proselytizer.

While you may assume that the above question somehow satisfies the conundrum, it

presents yet another. You have argued that we cannot adequately share our

personal Imago Dei (internal concept of God) in any really meaningful way with

another person. And I agree with you. I suggest the same can be said for the

concept of " heaven. "

Constantine's insistence that Christian doctrine be codified and unified for all

believers to believe " properly " was, well, efficient. Unfortunately, the

congregants at Nicea threw the baby out with the bathwater. And we have

struggled with a defective collective God image during all these subsequent

centuries. The gnostics had many things right IMO, yet their doctrines were

consigned to the dust heap of history, only to be rediscovered in the 1940s,

both at the Dead Sea and at Nag Hammadi. Yet we have been slow to rediscover

their ancient and positive contribution to the God Image to which Jung himself

seemed to subscribe in so many ways.

I am becoming more and more persuaded that heaven is not a place we attain to

after death. Although the latter idea certainly opens up the idea of

reincarnation as an appealing and very sensible idea, even within the Christian

context. " The Kingdom " can also be thought of (to me productively) as a " way of

being " in the " here and now. " That indeed is what Jesus was saying to us, if we

read many of the holy scriptures esoterically (with eyes that can see). Yet we

are seduced into the repeatedly asserted (and highly over-rated) concept,

century after century, that we have to die to get there. A whole new world can

open psychologically and spiritually, when one sees the Kingdom of Heaven as

something available to us at any moment, in this lifetime! To quote Gershwin:

" The things that your preacha is likely to teach ya, it aint necessarily so.... "

Greg

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> If I may mangle the aphorism: perhaps the harmless atheist gets more

> quality time in heaven than the fervent believing proselytizer.

>

> regards,

>

>

>

Hi !

Think that video is based on a fake quote, which doesn't surprise me,

but it is still very beautiful and has some truth. It's too bad its

author felt it necessary to ascribe it to Einstein as it strikes me

as un-Einstein like. You too?

Belief. Ah, belief. No, don't believe. Forget about believe, waste

of time. Well, okay believe until you know. Have faith above reason.

And, then don't waste another moment, find the truth. It's the most

important question in your life, you're going to leave it

to " believe? " Do you believe your checking account has money? (Mine

doesn't *grin* just kidding.)

Why were you born?

What is the purpose of your life?

Why are you here?

And, sorry, , you ain't goin' to heaven.

YOu and Clapton can Knock on Heaven's Door all ye like. Bang away.

You'll just keep comin' back until you know. And, even then it may

take another lifetime or two to get it all down because just knowing

is just beginning the work.

Much Love*Light

'bo

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Greg,

Right!

Right here, right now!

Love,

'bo

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>

>

> said:

>

> >If I may mangle the aphorism: perhaps the harmless atheist gets

more

> quality time in heaven than the fervent believing proselytizer.

>

> While you may assume that the above question somehow satisfies the

conundrum, it presents yet another. You have argued that we cannot

adequately share our personal Imago Dei (internal concept of God) in

any really meaningful way with another person. And I agree with

you. I suggest the same can be said for the concept of " heaven. "

>

> Constantine's insistence that Christian doctrine be codified and

unified for all believers to believe " properly " was, well,

efficient. Unfortunately, the congregants at Nicea threw the baby

out with the bathwater. And we have struggled with a defective

collective God image during all these subsequent centuries. The

gnostics had many things right IMO, yet their doctrines were

consigned to the dust heap of history, only to be rediscovered in the

1940s, both at the Dead Sea and at Nag Hammadi. Yet we have been

slow to rediscover their ancient and positive contribution to the God

Image to which Jung himself seemed to subscribe in so many ways.

>

> I am becoming more and more persuaded that heaven is not a place we

attain to after death. Although the latter idea certainly opens up

the idea of reincarnation as an appealing and very sensible idea,

even within the Christian context. " The Kingdom " can also be thought

of (to me productively) as a " way of being " in the " here and now. "

That indeed is what Jesus was saying to us, if we read many of the

holy scriptures esoterically (with eyes that can see). Yet we are

seduced into the repeatedly asserted (and highly over-rated) concept,

century after century, that we have to die to get there. A whole new

world can open psychologically and spiritually, when one sees the

Kingdom of Heaven as something available to us at any moment, in this

lifetime! To quote Gershwin: " The things that your preacha is likely

to teach ya, it aint necessarily so.... "

>

> Greg

>

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> The most personalized portal on the Web!

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A whole new world can open psychologically and spiritually, when one sees the Kingdom of Heaven as something available to us at any moment, in this lifetime! To quote Gershwin: "The things that your preacha is likely to teach ya, it aint necessarily so...."

Jesus says in the Gospel acc to : Heaven is spread upon the earth but men cannot see it." !

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This video is amazing, not the least due to her way of expressing her experience and her ability to describe what most likely is truly indescribable. I doubt that such a thing happened to a "brain-ologist" by chance since who could better explain the functions of the brain in terms of experience?

Blissings,

Sam

Here is an 18 min video that is worth watching. A woman, Jill, who is a brain scientist/researcher gives a moving, enlightening talk about consciousness as she discusses what happened when she had a stroke.

www.microclesia.com/?p=320

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