Guest guest Posted January 19, 2008 Report Share Posted January 19, 2008 Oh Alice, you get it!! Right on! From: JUNG-FIRE [mailto:JUNG-FIRE ] On Behalf Of IonaDove@... Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 5:06 PM To: JUNG-FIRE ; Negative-Capability ; museredux@... Subject: Persephone Persephone Persephone's room is all pink rosebuds - she has a princess four-poster bed white with a white canopy dolls and teddy bears and a framed picture of Daddy and Mommy when they were young - Persephone's closet blooms with flowered dresses shetland sweaters and matching skirts and she has a cork bulletin board with a school banner, a faded corsage from you know who - Persephone's mother is mild and sweet she belongs to the Garden Club and to St. Margaret's Guild today's the equinox and Miss Stein at school said to look out the window and notice the position of the setting sun Persephone leans on the chintz cushions while opening the latticed windows and there is a god there a god with dark eyes and dark intent a dark sweater and a dark gun - She screams, but as the sun sets she is already down the black well of time when Persephone's mother returns she says: Oh, dear! a.o.howell Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape in the new year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 Hmmm... Hillary = Persephone? Can't help but notice that HRC has suddenly come over all girly, and it appears to be working. Regards, Dan Watkins > > Oh Alice, you get it!! > > > > Right on! > > > > > > > > From: JUNG-FIRE [mailto:JUNG-FIRE ] On Behalf > Of IonaDove@... > Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 5:06 PM > To: JUNG-FIRE ; Negative-Capability ; > museredux@... > Subject: Persephone > > > > Image removed by sender. > > > > > > > > Persephone > > > > > > > > > Persephone's room is all pink rosebuds - > > > > she has a princess four-poster bed > > > > white with a white canopy > > > > dolls and teddy bears and a framed picture > > > > of Daddy and Mommy when they were young - > > > > Persephone's closet blooms with flowered dresses > > > > shetland sweaters and matching skirts > > > > and she has a cork bulletin board > > > > with a school banner, a faded corsage > > > > from you know who - > > > > > > Persephone's mother is mild and sweet > > > > she belongs to the Garden Club and to > > > > St. Margaret's Guild > > > > today's the equinox and Miss Stein at school > > > > said to look out the window and notice the position of > > > > the setting sun > > > > > > Persephone leans on the chintz cushions > > > > while opening the latticed windows > > > > and there is a god there > > > > a god with dark eyes and dark intent > > > > a dark sweater and a dark gun - > > > > She screams, but as the sun sets > > > > she is already down the black well of time > > > > when Persephone's mother returns > > > > she says: Oh, dear! > > > > a.o.howell > > > > > > _____ > > Start the year off right. Easy > <http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489> > ways to stay in shape in the new year. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 Dear fa, Alice and all, You ask some general questions about the archetypal dreamwork that I am engaged in with the North of Eden Community. There is a great deal of information available on the website www.northofeden.com. In addition, the community has published a little booklet that summarizes some of the basics of the approach. I will quote from it below, and I also invite specific questions from fa or any of you. I may ask Bill to help answering your queries. The core work of Archetypal Dreamwork is one-on-one individual work with a highly trained dreamwork practitioner. The work done in personal sessions is based on, guided and informed by the dreams brought to each session by the individual. Because the psyche speaks in ways that are uniquely meaningful for each person, the job of the therapist is to discover the meaning of the people, places, situations, feelings and things in each dream as they relate specifically to the individual. Each person and every dream is approached with openness, caring and respect in order to allow the individualness of the person to emerge. I would also like to add that while I was attending Jungian seminars in New York several years ago I met an analyst who had studied in Zurich in the 1950’s, when Jung was still active there. Much of what he described about that experience resonates closely with what I have learned about this dreamwork. It was a heart-centered approach that focused on dreams as the direct conduit to the Divine. It is quite different from the 4 and a half years of Jungian analysis that I experienced. I don’t want to denigrate that process, because it was instrumental in bringing me to the point where I could enter and appreciate archetypal therapy as practiced by Marc Bregman. The difference is that the relatively dry, intellectual and often academic approach left my heart unfulfilled and desiring more. In part inspired by Alice Howell, I told my analyst that I wanted to deepen my knowledge of and relationship with the Divine. He responded that if I wanted that I should go see a priest. I knew immediately that I was done with him and was ready to move on. There are many roads leading to the Divine place. Archetypal dreamwork is the one that has worked for me and for many others who are similarly engaged. Love and Peace, Burmeister (fax) (cell) (home) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2008 Report Share Posted January 25, 2008 Dear Dan, It isn’t necessary to murder people these days – we can simply slander them in the media! fa " Show me a sane man and I will cure him for you. " CG Jung From: JUNG-FIRE [mailto:JUNG-FIRE ] On Behalf Of dwatkins5qwestnet Sent: 25 January 2008 17:52 To: JUNG-FIRE Subject: Re: Persephone Dear fa, Who was speaking in jest? (although there is admittedly no real proof that she actually killed anyone). Best, Dan > > , Dan, et al > > > > It is perfectly possible to be a successful professional woman, provided > that one emphasizes PROFESSIONAL and does not either play that woman card or > alternatively try to be a man in a dress. You () were the first to > jump on me for mentioning the fact that Obama is black. Why should Hillary > get special treatment, when she is shamelessly playing to both the feminist > side of the US and to the little old ladies in tennis shoes? On the other > list Dan likened her to Lady Macbeth. He spoke in jest, but I think there is > a lot of truth in it. I never thought I would say this, but I would actually > rather yet another Republican in the White House than an animus possessed > woman who speaks out of both sides of her mouth. > > > > fa > > " Show me a sane man and I will cure him for you. " CG Jung > > _____ > > From: JUNG-FIRE [mailto:JUNG-FIRE ] On Behalf > Of Lockhart > Sent: 25 January 2008 15:39 > To: JUNG-FIRE > Subject: Re: Persephone > > > > Dan says: > > >>Can't help but notice that HRC has suddenly come over all girly, and > it appears to be working.<< > > > > --Seems to me she's stuck in the no--win double standard for professional > women: act unfeeling like a man and you're a cold witch. Act feeling like a > woman and you're too weak for the job. Easier for men -- simply cut off > feeling and you're OK. > > > > > > > > _____ > > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo > <http://us.rd.yahoo.com/evt=51438/*http:/www.yahoo.com/r/hs> your homepage. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2008 Report Share Posted January 25, 2008 Dear fa, Angel, you are driving me out of my mind! Hillary? A republican instead? Dear whatever....stop and think!!!! a republican stands for all you distrust and hate.... the enrichment of the rich, the blind side to the poor and a continued war in Iraq...have you gone completely out of your mind??? I love you but....this is not the true you. Give Hillary a break..,. she is a politician and so are all the others, except Obama and Hucka......what';so his name who are preachers and never sp[eak except from a pulpit to the visionaries and innocents (who you will remember Jung thought were high;highly dangerous. Oh dear oh dear, I am scratching my hairless head. love, Toni RE: Re: Persephone , Dan, et al It is perfectly possible to be a successful professional woman, provided that one emphasizes PROFESSIONAL and does not either play that woman card or alternatively try to be a man in a dress. You () were the first to jump on me for mentioning the fact that Obama is black. Why should Hillary get special treatment, when she is shamelessly playing to both the feminist side of the US and to the little old ladies in tennis shoes? On the other list Dan likened her to Lady Macbeth. He spoke in jest, but I think there is a lot of truth in it. I never thought I would say this, but I would actually rather yet another Republican in the White House than an animus possessed woman who speaks out of both sides of her mouth. fa "Show me a sane man and I will cure him for you." CG Jung From: JUNG-FIRE [mailto:JUNG-FIRE ] On Behalf Of LockhartSent: 25 January 2008 15:39To: JUNG-FIRE Subject: Re: Persephone Dan says: >>Can't help but notice that HRC has suddenly come over all girly, andit appears to be working.<< --Seems to me she's stuck in the no--win double standard for professional women: act unfeeling like a man and you're a cold witch. Act feeling like a woman and you're too weak for the job. Easier for men -- simply cut off feeling and you're OK. Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2008 Report Share Posted January 25, 2008 Dan, naughty!! is that gossip? ;-) Toni Re: Persephone > Dear fa, > > Who was speaking in jest? (although there is admittedly no real proof > that she actually killed anyone). > > Best, > > Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2008 Report Share Posted January 25, 2008 Dear Toni, Since when does fa distrust and hate the rich (who are by definition " enriched " )? As for the rest, a rising tide still raises all boats. We have the fattest, most air-conditioned " poor " people in the world. Best, Dan > > Dear fa, > Angel, you are driving me out of my mind! Hillary? A republican instead? Dear whatever....stop and think!!!! a republican stands for all you distrust and hate.... the enrichment of the rich, the blind side to the poor and a continued war in Iraq...have you gone completely out of your mind??? > I love you but....this is not the true you. > > Give Hillary a break..,. she is a politician and so are all the others, except Obama and Hucka......what';so his name who are preachers and never sp[eak except from a pulpit to the visionaries and innocents (who you will remember Jung thought were high;highly dangerous. > > Oh dear oh dear, I am scratching my hairless head. > > love, > Toni > Re: Persephone > > > > Dan says: > > >>Can't help but notice that HRC has suddenly come over all girly, and > it appears to be working.<< > > > > --Seems to me she's stuck in the no--win double standard for professional women: act unfeeling like a man and you're a cold witch. Act feeling like a woman and you're too weak for the job. Easier for men -- simply cut off feeling and you're OK. > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2008 Report Share Posted January 25, 2008 Dear Dan, This may come as a great surprise...fa is quite liberal. being rich or being not rich has little to do with many consciouss people's political beliefs. Money is not all (tho' nice to have, I agree.. Moral reasoning is not only a quality of the middle class...even poor and very rich have ethics and morality....amazing isn't it? Fat is usually a sign of poor nutrition...not over eating. Boy do you need to update that " welfare queen image " Even a hap hazard reading of today's literature could set you straight...but one has to want to do that. love, Toni Re: Persephone >> >> >> >> Dan says: >> >> >>Can't help but notice that HRC has suddenly come over all girly, and >> it appears to be working.<< >> >> >> >> --Seems to me she's stuck in the no--win double standard for > professional women: act unfeeling like a man and you're a cold witch. > Act feeling like a woman and you're too weak for the job. Easier for > men -- simply cut off feeling and you're OK. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> >> Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. >> > > > > > " Our highest duty as human beings is to search out a means whereby beings > may be freed from all kinds of unsatisfactory experience and suffering. " > > H.H. Tenzin Gyatso, the 14th. Dalai Lama > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2008 Report Share Posted January 25, 2008 Dear Toni, What I said was that I don't think fa hates the rich. Fat is a sign of overeating and indolence - take it from one who knows :-). Best, Dan > > > > Dear Toni, > > > > Since when does fa distrust and hate the rich (who are by > > definition " enriched " )? As for the rest, a rising tide still raises > > all boats. We have the fattest, most air-conditioned " poor " people in > > the world. > > > > Best, > > > > Dan > > > > > >> > >> Dear fa, > >> Angel, you are driving me out of my mind! Hillary? A republican > > instead? Dear whatever....stop and think!!!! a republican stands for > > all you distrust and hate.... the enrichment of the rich, the blind > > side to the poor and a continued war in Iraq...have you gone > > completely out of your mind??? > >> I love you but....this is not the true you. > >> > >> Give Hillary a break..,. she is a politician and so are all the > > others, except Obama and Hucka......what';so his name who are > > preachers and never sp[eak except from a pulpit to the visionaries and > > innocents (who you will remember Jung thought were high;highly dangerous. > >> > >> Oh dear oh dear, I am scratching my hairless head. > >> > >> love, > >> Toni > >> Re: Persephone > >> > >> > >> > >> Dan says: > >> > >> >>Can't help but notice that HRC has suddenly come over all girly, and > >> it appears to be working.<< > >> > >> > >> > >> --Seems to me she's stuck in the no--win double standard for > > professional women: act unfeeling like a man and you're a cold witch. > > Act feeling like a woman and you're too weak for the job. Easier for > > men -- simply cut off feeling and you're OK. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >> > >> Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. > >> > > > > > > > > > > " Our highest duty as human beings is to search out a means whereby beings > > may be freed from all kinds of unsatisfactory experience and suffering. " > > > > H.H. Tenzin Gyatso, the 14th. Dalai Lama > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2008 Report Share Posted February 3, 2008 Dan says: >>According to what I read, it was the girly act that won over many of the Democratic women voters of NH (per exit polls, not just speculation) and tipped the race to HRH - I mean, HRC.<< --So if a man tears up during a veterans' parade, his tears are "manly" but if a woman tears up talking about her love for her country, it's a "girly act"? Who decides when emotion is authentic, and when it says something about gender or does not? Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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