Guest guest Posted September 7, 2011 Report Share Posted September 7, 2011 I don't disagree with much of what you wrote below. But it might be interesting to do a worksheet about your religious beliefs 9or your beliefs about the Work) and hold them up to investigation. Religion. To me, religion is a smart lie carefully designed to make life comfortable. It finishes many painful questions - by giving (false) ready answers. It soothes many painful experiences in the present - by giving (false) promises of a wonderful future in the heaven. It is like the Grandma story designed to make the unknowns of the dark, scary night more bearable. Is it better to suffer than to believe a lie? ... How does it relate to the work? To me, the work, positive thinking, " whatever happens, happens for good " work on the similar lines. All of them attempt to replace painful thinking with the pleasant ones. The work asks you to investigate and find out. The religion asks you to just believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2011 Report Share Posted September 9, 2011 Namaste, > To me, religion is a smart lie carefully designed to make life comfortable. me: can smart lie make life comfortable? And if it really makes life comfortable, is there anything wrong with that? After all, what every human being wants is only a comfortable life, is it not? ---------------------------------- > It finishes many painful questions - by giving (false) ready answers. > It soothes many painful experiences in the present - by giving (false) promises of a wonderful future in the heaven. me: does it really " soothes " painful experiences of the present? I doubt. It promises something and is it not the ignorant ones go after those promises? In other words, there is no " soothings " ; there is only a distraction ? ------------------------------ > It is like the Grandma story designed to make the unknowns of the dark, scary > night more bearable. me: Grandma stories have a purpose. Sad that grown ups too fall for such stories meant for children ! Is that the reason why they say that " we need to learn to think to grow to maturity " ? Mature minds do not go after " fear " or " scare " because they know that " fear is of unknown " and to over come fear only way is to gain the knowledge. > Is it better to suffer than to believe a lie? me: " belief " normally speaking indicates something which cannot be known. What can be known is " Knowledge " . And knowledge can be gained only by study, relating, questioning, analyzing,thinking, debating etc. " To believe " you do not need any effort at all ! > ... > > > How does it relate to the work? > > To me, the work, positive thinking, " whatever happens, happens for good " work on the similar lines. All of them attempt to replace painful thinking with the pleasant ones. me: positive thinking is very good. Every human being is not having such mindset and so may have difficulty to be like that. > The work asks you to investigate and find out. > > The religion asks you to just believe. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2012 Report Share Posted January 26, 2012 Dear ac, > ---- > To me, religion is a smart lie carefully designed to make life comfortable. > really? To me, that sound's like the definition of " commercial " . For me, EVERY belief that I don't have a proof for, is MY religion. Belief without the need for a proof. > It finishes many painful questions - by giving (false) ready answers. > well, I don't know about you, but when I hear an answer that doesn't make sense to me, it does NOT keep me from experiencing pain OR asking questions... Heck, that doesn't even happen, when i WANT to believe the answer! > It soothes many painful experiences in the present - by giving (false) promises of a > wonderful future in the heaven. > How do you know it's a false promise? > It is like the Grandma story designed to make the unknowns of the dark, scary > night more bearable. > You must have had a different Grandmother that told you different stories that the ones I was told. Mine all had a moral and were designed to scare the shit out of me, if I did something " wrong " - like not eating up my soup. I am not sure it worked... ;-) > Is it better to suffer than to believe a lie? > You know, in my experience (or maybe it's a believe system) all suffering IS because I am believing a lie. Because sometimes, I WANT to believe the lie. Because I am too scared to face the truth. > ... > > How does it relate to the work? > > To me, the work, positive thinking, " whatever happens, happens for good " work on the similar lines. All of them attempt to replace painful thinking with the pleasant ones. > > The work asks you to investigate and find out. > > The religion asks you to just believe. > Yeah, that 'just believe'-ing thing doesn't really work for me... not if someone tells me to, anyways. However 'the work' to me is on a totally different line. It is really just a guideline on how to investigate my thoughts. It leaves me alone, if I don't want to, I don't have to always do it, to convince me (unlike 'positive thinking'), and I get back what I invest. If I am only ready to scratch the surface, that's all I get: just the superficial experience. If I am ready to dwelve deeper, I get real closure. It doesn't require me to believe in anyone, I don't have to pay money, it doesn't even ask me to change OR stay the same person! Which doesn't necessarily happen, anyway. Love, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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