Re: updated good vs evil and religion

[Guest guest]

Weren't Adam and Eve tossed out of Eden for eating of the Tree of Knowledge of

Good and Evil?

A number of religions discard the notion of good and evil entirely so that all

humans and all other life forms and things too, would be in the third pile or no

pile at all.

Piles are pretty uncomfortable, don't you think?

AT THE SAME TIME, much of your thinking is fascinating. Have you considered

separating it into smaller articles?

Jane Axtell

[Guest guest]

I'm not sure why I was so offended by your dismissal of the feelsofree piece --

nor why I let myself be too busy to say anything. Your many complaints seem to

suggest that the piece is not academic enough for you -- and further, that it is

not academic enough for the rest of us.

The piece is obviously posted by someone who is a member and whose membership

has not been withdrawn or limited. The content suggests the writer is an

outsider-to-Jungism attempting to make sense of the world view presented in a

different (churched) community.

Are you offended that the raw dichotomy of good and evil still holds meaning in

parts of the human community? Why are your buzz words better?

Jung was/is an important thinker whose influence in the larger culture has been

lessening. I had hoped to find his recommended larger inclusiveness here.

If there is no room for outsider thinking to slide through this space, is that a

thoughtful intention? What do you think the result of this could be, beyond

narrowing?

Jane Axtell

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> all,

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> Obviously to plunk a 157 page opus on a table of strangers without any

> set-up is suspect.

[Guest guest]

Well said, Mike.Thank you.EveAnd love to all our mothers today - Mother Earth, Mother Sky, All of Existence, the Mother everywhere!Begin forwarded message:Subject: Re: Re: updated good vs evil and religionDate: May 13, 2012 9:41:43 AM PDTTo: JUNG-FIRE Reply-To: JUNG-FIRE

I think YOU're missing the point: as says "Obviously to plunk a 157 page opus on a table of strangers without any set-up is suspect"... Questions of good, god, evil and the devil go through here often enough (however high or low falutin' their language) - as long as there is hope and fear these questions are of the uttermost importance... at times... one does not have to push 'em down people's throats and i, for one, have always felt strongly about anything but air being pushed up my nose.

.... which is probably why i find the less theoretical questions of - for example - why we get angry, sad, happy, confused (as in what is it that makes ME angry, happy, etc?) far more fruitful.this with all due respect.

md_,___

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[Guest guest]

I have no problems with people responding or not for their own reasons. I had a

problem with the appearance that you were substituting your reasons for whatever

reasons I or others might have had and what we did with our reasons.

My impression was that the original post hadn't bothered you. My taking it

seriously was improper?

Anyone who produces an argument of such length has invested a great deal of life

energy -- far beyond any effort to annoy strangers, which can be done much much

more efficiently. ly my heart goes out to anyone who cares so

energetically.

Recklessly yours,

Jane Axtell

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> > Are you offended that the raw dichotomy of good and evil still holds

> > meaning in parts of the human community? Why are your buzz words better?

> >

> Nope, doesn't cause offense at all. I don't assume that my words, buzzy or

> not, are even good for me, let alone good for anybody else.

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> > Jung was/is an important thinker whose influence in the larger culture has

> > been lessening. I had hoped to find his recommended larger inclusiveness

> > here.

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> > If there is no room for outsider thinking to slide through this space, is

> > that a thoughtful intention? What do you think the result of this could be,

> > beyond narrowing?

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> The arbitration of inclusiveness, in my own experience on the list and on

> its predecessors over sixteen years, is a concoction of the " group

> psychology " most times, and on rarer occasions, a moderator does the deed.

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> Thus, inclusiveness and " anti-inclusiveness " has, really, nothing much to

> do with Dr. Jung at all--at least as I view the scene here.

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> However, in mentioning this, there is a related matter that has to do with

> the differentiation between whatever psyche brings here, and, what the

> people here *DO* with whatever psyche brings here.

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> I'm not a Jungian, nor am I even an advocate of Jung or Analytic

> Psychology. I'm a just a lowly armchair student of psychology for a few

> decades. I offer this because my own opinion is: in specific circumstances

> Jung may well recommend inclusiveness, but, in the main Jung himself

> included a lot, but he doesn't strike me as being at all a proponent of

> inclusiveness pitched as an ethical value.

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> I'm may well be wrong about this sense. Anyway, I mention as much as a

> second way to separate including psyche as against what is the attitude

> toward the psyche " so included. "

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> The 157 page piece popped for me as representing a genre of internet

> publication. This wasn't a comment on the merits of the piece's content. I

> stated I didn't read very much of it.

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> A constructive approach to its content might be to offer some of it up in

> condensed form, and, perhaps, this will turn out to be of interest to

> persons here for their own reasons. After all, basically we are here

> constituted to maybe narrow and broaden, yet, in the main, individuals

> respond in the moment to what lands here based in their " own reasons. "

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