Guest guest Posted January 13, 2012 Report Share Posted January 13, 2012 For those who know that the Science of Alchemy is null and void without the artist, and who truly understand that the Above is just as that which the Below conceives it to be, I offer to you a free download. This is a recording I produced a long time ago. It is my voice with selected background music. I leave it up to you to explore. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/51631607/Overall%20Exercise.wma Steve Kalec No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.454 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/4139 - Release Date: 01/12/12 19:34:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 we can't access this, Steve.-- Those who are awake live in a constant state of amazement. ~Jack Kornfieldthe world of dewis just a world of dew...and yet...~IssaPlease consider the environment before printing this e-mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 since Steve's can't be accessed, here is my translation of Pontanus. JEAN PONTANUS EPISTLE on THE PHILOSOPHIC FIRE translated into English by mike dickman from the French rendering of bernard biebel EPISTOLA DE IGNE PHILOSOPHORUM per JOHANNES PONTANUS " This fire, or fiery water, is the vital spark transmitted to inert matter by the Creator; it is the spirit within things, the flaming ray, imperishable, hidden in the depths of dark, formless and frigid matter (...) To our regret, we may no more than hint at the existence of the reef and, along with the most eminent philosophers, advise an attentive reading of Artephius, Pontanus and of the brief treatise entitled Epistola de Igne Philosophorum. " (Fulcanelli, Le Mystère des Cathédrales) the EPISTLE on THE PHILOSOPHIC FIRE THE EPISTLE ON THE PHILOSOPHIC FIRE I, Pontanus, who have travelled into various realms and domains on my quest to know the certainty of the Philosophers' Stone, journeying through all parts of the world, have found but false Philosophers and deceivers. Studying ever the books of the Wise, my doubt mounting, I discovered the truth: yet, notwithstanding I had knowledge of the matter in general, I erred still two hundred times ere I found out the operation and practice and true material. I commenced first my operations with putrefactions of the Body of this matter, the which I continued over a period of nine months but it came to naught. I placed it in the balneum-marie for lengthy periods, erring the same. I took and placed it in the calcinating fire for three months, proceeding yet awry. All types and sorts of distillation and sublimation mentioned - or apparently mentioned - by the Philosophers - Geber, Archelaus, and all the others - have I attempted and tried, and found equally nothing. In brief, I tried to come at and perfect in every way conceivable the subject of all the Art of Alchemy, be this by manure, bathing, ashes, or the thousand other sorts of fire mentioned by the Philosophers in their works, but nothing did I discover of worth. It was for this reason that I set myself to study the books of the Philosophers for three years continual, studying among others those of Hermes, whose brief words contain the whole magistry of the Stone; though he speaks quite obscurely of things above and below, of Heaven and of the Earth. All one's application and care must then be only to know the correct practice in the first, second and third Works. It is not at all the fire of the bath, dung or ashes, nor any of the other fires of which the Philosophers sing or describe for us in their books. What, then is this fire which perfects and achieves the entire Work, from beginning to end? Certainly all Philosophers have hidden it; but for myself, touched by a moment of pity, I would declare it and the achievement of the whole Work. The Philosophers' Stone is one and unique, but hidden and veiled in a multiplicity of different names, and before knowing it you will have seen much struggle. By your own genius will you come to know it only with difficulty. It is watery, airy, fiery and earthy, phlegmatic, choleric, sanguine and melancholy. It is a sulpher and equally quick silver. It has several superfluities which I assure you by the living God, transform themselves into a sole and unique Essence if there be only our fire. And whoever - believing such to be necessary - would subtract some thing from the subject, knows of a certainty nothing of Philosophy. For the superfluous, unclean, foul, scurvy, miry and, in general, entire substance of the subject, is perfected into one fixed and spiritual body by means of our fire. Which has never been revealed by the Wise, thus making it that but few succeed in this Art, imagining that some foul and unworthy thing must be separated out. It behoves one now to make appear, and draw out the properties of our fire; if it agree with our matter in the way of which I have spoken, that is to say, if it be transmuted with the matter. This fire burns the material not at all, nor separates anything from it, nor divides nor puts apart the parts pure and impure, as is told by all Philosophers, but converts the whole subject into purity. It does not sublime as Geber or Arnold and all others who have spoken of sublimation and distillation sublime. And it makes and perfects itself in little time. This fire is mineral, equal and continual, and fumes not unless over aroused; it has certain of the characteristics of sulphur, but is taken and originates elsewhere than in matter. It ruptures, dissolves, and congeals all things; similarly congeals and calcines; it is difficult to find by industry or by Art. This fire is the epitome and abridgement of the Work in its entirety, taking no other thing else, or very little, and this same fire introduces itself and is of mediocre heat; for with this little fire is the whole Work perfect, and all due and necessary sublimation achieved. Those who read Geber and all other Philosophers shall never come to an understanding of it though they live one hundred thousand years; for that this fire may not be discovered but by the sole and profound meditation of the mind, following which one will understand the books, and not otherwise. Error in this Art, consists only in the acquisition or otherwise of this fire which converts the whole material into the Stone of the Wise. Study, then, this fire, for had I myself found it at the first, I should not have erred two hundred times upon the true matter. By which am I no longer surprised if so many come not to the accomplishment of the Work. They err, have erred and will ever err, in that the Philosophers have placed their true agent in but one, single thing, which Artephius alone named, but speaking only for himself. Had I not read Artephius, nor penetrated and understood, never would I have arrived at the accomplishment of the Work. Here, then, the practice: take the matter and, with all dilligence, grind and pulverise it wirh a philosophic contrition and place it upon the fire that is within the furnace. But the degree and proportion of the fire are also to be known, to wit, that the external fire excite only the matter; and in little time this fire, without that one put a hand to it in any manner, will assuredly realise the Work in its entirety. For it will purify, corrupt, engender and bring to perfection the whole work, making appear the three principal colours, the black, white and red. And by our fire the medicine will multiply, not only in quantity but also in virtue, if joined with matter in its raw state. Search out, therefore, this fire with all strength of your mind and you shall attain the goal you have set yourself; for it is this that brings to completion all stages of the Work, and is the key of all Philosophers, which they have never revealed in their books. If you consider well and deep upon what has gone above you will know it. Not otherwise. Thus, moved by a spirit of pity, have I written this; but, and that I satisfy myself, as I made mention above, the fire is in no wise transmuted with the matter. I wished to speak this and to warn well the prudent concerning these things, that they spend not in vain their money, but know in advance what it is that they seek and, by this means, arrive at the truth of the the Art; not otherwise. God keep thee. -- Those who are awake live in a constant state of amazement. ~Jack Kornfieldthe world of dewis just a world of dew...and yet...~IssaPlease consider the environment before printing this e-mail. -- Those who are awake live in a constant state of amazement. ~Jack Kornfieldthe world of dewis just a world of dew...and yet...~IssaPlease consider the environment before printing this e-mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 The ancient Africans believed there were only three elements. Air, earth, and water. Fire was that from which all was created. And consumed. And consumed in order to be recreated. The energies were just that, before " anthropomorphic association " was made. God? The first energy. Like the first atom. It split. And kept splitting. And is still splitting. And when it split, it became aware of its existence. " I AM. " The verb. Not the noun. > > Subject: Re: Setting Our Fire > To: JUNG-FIRE > Date: Monday, January 16, 2012, 2:56 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > since Steve's can't be accessed, > here is my translation of Pontanus. > > > >  > >  > >  > >  > >  > > JEAN PONTANUS > >  > >  > > EPISTLE > >  > >  > > on > >  > >  > > THE PHILOSOPHIC FIRE > >  > >  > >  > >  > >  > >  > >  > > translated into English > >  > > by > >  > > mike > dickman > >  > > from the French > rendering of > >  > > bernard > biebel > >  > >  > >  > > > > > >  > >  > >  > >  > >  > >  > >  > >  > >  > > EPISTOLA > >  > >  > > DE > >  > >  > > IGNE > >  > >  > > PHILOSOPHORUM > >  > >  > > per > >  > >  > > JOHANNES PONTANUS > >  > > > > > >  > >  > >  > >  > >  > >  > >  > >  > >  > >  > >  > >  > >  > >  > >  > >  > > " This fire, or fiery water, is the > vital spark > transmitted to inert matter by the Creator; it is the > spirit within things, the flaming > ray, imperishable, hidden in the depths of dark, formless > and frigid matter > (...) To our regret, we may no more than hint at the > existence of the reef and, > along with the most eminent philosophers, advise an > attentive reading of > Artephius, Pontanus and of the brief treatise entitled > Epistola de Igne Philosophorum. " > >  > > > (Fulcanelli, Le Mystère des > Cathédrales) > > > > > > >  > >  > >  > >  > >  > >  > >  > >  > >  > >  > >  > >  > >  > >  > >  > > the > >  > >  > > EPISTLE > >  > > on > > >  > >  > > THE > PHILOSOPHIC > >  > >  > > FIRE > > > > > >  > > THE > EPISTLE ON THE PHILOSOPHIC FIRE > >  > > I, > Pontanus, who have travelled into various realms and > domains on my quest to > know the certainty of the Philosophers' Stone, > journeying through all parts of > the world, have found but false Philosophers and deceivers. > Studying ever the > books of the Wise, my doubt mounting, I discovered the > truth: yet, > notwithstanding I had knowledge of the matter in general, I > erred still two > hundred times ere I found out the operation and practice > and true material. > > I commenced > first my operations with putrefactions of the Body of this > matter, the which I > continued over a period of nine months but it came to > naught. I placed it in > the balneum-marie for lengthy > periods, erring the same. I took and placed it in the > calcinating fire for > three months, proceeding yet awry. All types and sorts of > distillation and > sublimation mentioned - or apparently mentioned - by the > Philosophers - Geber, > Archelaus, and all the others - have I attempted and tried, > and found equally > nothing. In brief, I tried to come at and perfect in every > way conceivable the > subject of all the Art of Alchemy, be this by manure, > bathing, ashes, or the > thousand other sorts of fire mentioned by the Philosophers > in their works, but > nothing did I discover of worth. > > It was for > this reason that I set myself to study the books of the > Philosophers for three > years continual, studying among others those of Hermes, > whose brief words > contain the whole magistry of the Stone; though he speaks > quite obscurely of > things above and below, of Heaven and of the > Earth. > > All one's > application and care must then be only to know the correct > practice in the > first, second and third Works. It is not at all the fire of > the bath, dung or > ashes, nor any of the other fires of which the Philosophers > sing or describe > for us in their books. > > What, then is > this fire which perfects and achieves the entire Work, from > beginning to end? > Certainly all Philosophers have hidden it; but for myself, > touched by a moment > of pity, I would declare it and the achievement of the > whole Work. > > The > Philosophers' Stone is one and unique, but hidden and > veiled in a multiplicity > of different names, and before knowing it you will have > seen much struggle. By > your own genius will you come to know it only with > difficulty. It is watery, > airy, fiery and earthy, phlegmatic, choleric, sanguine and > melancholy. It is a > sulpher and equally quick silver. > > It has > several superfluities which I assure you by the living God, > transform > themselves into a sole and unique Essence if there be only > our fire. And > whoever - believing such to be necessary - would subtract > some thing from the > subject, knows of a certainty nothing of > Philosophy. For the superfluous, unclean, foul, scurvy, > miry and, in general, > entire substance of the subject, is perfected into one > fixed and spiritual body > by means of our fire. Which has never been revealed by the > Wise, thus making it > that but few succeed in this Art, imagining that some foul > and unworthy thing > must be separated out. > > It behoves > one now to make appear, and draw out the properties of our > fire; if it agree > with our matter in the way of which I have spoken, that is > to say, if it be > transmuted with the matter. This fire burns the material > not at all, nor > separates anything from it, nor divides nor puts apart the > parts pure and > impure, as is told by all Philosophers, but converts the > whole subject into > purity. It does not sublime as Geber or Arnold and all > others who have spoken > of sublimation and distillation sublime. And it makes and > perfects itself in > little time. > > This fire is > mineral, equal and continual, and fumes not unless over > aroused; it has certain > of the characteristics of sulphur, but is taken and > originates elsewhere than > in matter. It ruptures, dissolves, and congeals all things; > similarly congeals > and calcines; it is difficult to find by industry or by > Art. This fire is the > epitome and abridgement of the Work in its entirety, taking > no other thing > else, or very little, and this same fire introduces itself > and is of mediocre > heat; for with this little fire is the whole Work perfect, > and all due and > necessary sublimation achieved. > > Those who > read Geber and all other Philosophers shall never come to > an understanding of > it though they live one hundred thousand years; for that > this fire may not be > discovered but by the sole and profound meditation of the > mind, following which > one will understand the books, and not otherwise. Error in > this Art, consists > only in the acquisition or otherwise of this fire which > converts the whole > material into the Stone of the Wise. > > Study, then, > this fire, for had I myself found it at the first, I should > not have erred two > hundred times upon the true matter. By which am I no longer > surprised if so > many come not to the accomplishment of the Work. > > They err, > have erred and will ever err, in that the Philosophers have > placed their true > agent in but one, single thing, which Artephius alone > named, but speaking only > for himself. Had I not read Artephius, nor penetrated and > understood, never > would I have arrived at the accomplishment of the > Work. > > Here, then, > the practice: take the matter and, with all dilligence, > grind and pulverise it > wirh a philosophic contrition and place it upon the fire > that is within the > furnace. But the degree and proportion of the fire are also > to be known, to > wit, that the external fire excite only the matter; and in > little time this > fire, without that one put a hand to it in any manner, will > assuredly realise > the Work in its entirety. For it will purify, corrupt, > engender and bring to > perfection the whole work, making appear the three > principal colours, the > black, white and red. And by our fire the medicine will > multiply, not only in > quantity but also in virtue, if joined with matter in its > raw state. > > Search out, > therefore, this fire with all strength of your mind and you > shall attain the > goal you have set yourself; for it is this that brings to > completion all stages > of the Work, and is the key of all Philosophers, which they > have never revealed > in their books. If you consider well and deep upon what has > gone above you will > know it. Not otherwise. > > Thus, moved > by a spirit of pity, have I written this; but, and that I > satisfy myself, as I > made mention above, the fire is in no wise transmuted with > the matter. I wished > to speak this and to warn well the prudent concerning these > things, that they > spend not in vain their money, but know in advance what it > is that they seek > and, by this means, arrive at the truth of the the Art; not > otherwise. > >  > > God keep thee. > > > > > -- > > > > Those who are awake live in > a constant state of amazement. > > > ~Jack Kornfield > > > the world of dew > is just a world of dew... > and yet... > ~Issa > > > Please consider the environment before printing this > e-mail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Those who are awake live in > a constant state of amazement. > > > ~Jack Kornfield > > > the world of dew > is just a world of dew... > and yet... > ~Issa > > > Please consider the environment before printing this > e-mail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 Could It be both, Charli - verb and noun, wave and particle, yin and yang? Could It be "the all" verb and noun and the space (or distance or time) between, wave and particle and the space (or distance or time) in between, yin and yang and the space (or distance or time) in between? The ancient Africans believed there were only three elements. Air, earth, and water. Fire was that from which all was created. And consumed. And consumed in order to be recreated. The energies were just that, before "anthropomorphic association" was made. God? The first energy. Like the first atom. It split. And kept splitting. And is still splitting. And when it split, it became aware of its existence. "I AM." The verb. Not the noun. Subject: Re: Setting Our Fire To: JUNG-FIRE Date: Monday, January 16, 2012, 2:56 AM  since Steve's can't be accessed, here is my translation of Pontanus.      JEAN PONTANUS   EPISTLE   on   THE PHILOSOPHIC FIRE        translated into English  by  mike dickman  from the French rendering of  bernard biebel             EPISTOLA   DE   IGNE   PHILOSOPHORUM   per   JOHANNES PONTANUS                  "This fire, or fiery water, is the vital spark transmitted to inert matter by the Creator; it is the spirit within things, the flaming ray, imperishable, hidden in the depths of dark, formless and frigid matter (...) To our regret, we may no more than hint at the existence of the reef and, along with the most eminent philosophers, advise an attentive reading of Artephius, Pontanus and of the brief treatise entitled Epistola de Igne Philosophorum."  (Fulcanelli, Le Mystère des Cathédrales)                the   EPISTLE  on   THE PHILOSOPHIC   FIRE  THE EPISTLE ON THE PHILOSOPHIC FIRE  I, Pontanus, who have travelled into various realms and domains on my quest to know the certainty of the Philosophers' Stone, journeying through all parts of the world, have found but false Philosophers and deceivers. Studying ever the books of the Wise, my doubt mounting, I discovered the truth: yet, notwithstanding I had knowledge of the matter in general, I erred still two hundred times ere I found out the operation and practice and true material. I commenced first my operations with putrefactions of the Body of this matter, the which I continued over a period of nine months but it came to naught. I placed it in the balneum-marie for lengthy periods, erring the same. I took and placed it in the calcinating fire for three months, proceeding yet awry. All types and sorts of distillation and sublimation mentioned - or apparently mentioned - by the Philosophers - Geber, Archelaus, and all the others - have I attempted and tried, and found equally nothing. In brief, I tried to come at and perfect in every way conceivable the subject of all the Art of Alchemy, be this by manure, bathing, ashes, or the thousand other sorts of fire mentioned by the Philosophers in their works, but nothing did I discover of worth. It was for this reason that I set myself to study the books of the Philosophers for three years continual, studying among others those of Hermes, whose brief words contain the whole magistry of the Stone; though he speaks quite obscurely of things above and below, of Heaven and of the Earth. All one's application and care must then be only to know the correct practice in the first, second and third Works. It is not at all the fire of the bath, dung or ashes, nor any of the other fires of which the Philosophers sing or describe for us in their books. What, then is this fire which perfects and achieves the entire Work, from beginning to end? Certainly all Philosophers have hidden it; but for myself, touched by a moment of pity, I would declare it and the achievement of the whole Work. The Philosophers' Stone is one and unique, but hidden and veiled in a multiplicity of different names, and before knowing it you will have seen much struggle. By your own genius will you come to know it only with difficulty. It is watery, airy, fiery and earthy, phlegmatic, choleric, sanguine and melancholy. It is a sulpher and equally quick silver. It has several superfluities which I assure you by the living God, transform themselves into a sole and unique Essence if there be only our fire. And whoever - believing such to be necessary - would subtract some thing from the subject, knows of a certainty nothing of Philosophy. For the superfluous, unclean, foul, scurvy, miry and, in general, entire substance of the subject, is perfected into one fixed and spiritual body by means of our fire. Which has never been revealed by the Wise, thus making it that but few succeed in this Art, imagining that some foul and unworthy thing must be separated out. It behoves one now to make appear, and draw out the properties of our fire; if it agree with our matter in the way of which I have spoken, that is to say, if it be transmuted with the matter. This fire burns the material not at all, nor separates anything from it, nor divides nor puts apart the parts pure and impure, as is told by all Philosophers, but converts the whole subject into purity. It does not sublime as Geber or Arnold and all others who have spoken of sublimation and distillation sublime. And it makes and perfects itself in little time. This fire is mineral, equal and continual, and fumes not unless over aroused; it has certain of the characteristics of sulphur, but is taken and originates elsewhere than in matter. It ruptures, dissolves, and congeals all things; similarly congeals and calcines; it is difficult to find by industry or by Art. This fire is the epitome and abridgement of the Work in its entirety, taking no other thing else, or very little, and this same fire introduces itself and is of mediocre heat; for with this little fire is the whole Work perfect, and all due and necessary sublimation achieved. Those who read Geber and all other Philosophers shall never come to an understanding of it though they live one hundred thousand years; for that this fire may not be discovered but by the sole and profound meditation of the mind, following which one will understand the books, and not otherwise. Error in this Art, consists only in the acquisition or otherwise of this fire which converts the whole material into the Stone of the Wise. Study, then, this fire, for had I myself found it at the first, I should not have erred two hundred times upon the true matter. By which am I no longer surprised if so many come not to the accomplishment of the Work. They err, have erred and will ever err, in that the Philosophers have placed their true agent in but one, single thing, which Artephius alone named, but speaking only for himself. Had I not read Artephius, nor penetrated and understood, never would I have arrived at the accomplishment of the Work. Here, then, the practice: take the matter and, with all dilligence, grind and pulverise it wirh a philosophic contrition and place it upon the fire that is within the furnace. But the degree and proportion of the fire are also to be known, to wit, that the external fire excite only the matter; and in little time this fire, without that one put a hand to it in any manner, will assuredly realise the Work in its entirety. For it will purify, corrupt, engender and bring to perfection the whole work, making appear the three principal colours, the black, white and red. And by our fire the medicine will multiply, not only in quantity but also in virtue, if joined with matter in its raw state. Search out, therefore, this fire with all strength of your mind and you shall attain the goal you have set yourself; for it is this that brings to completion all stages of the Work, and is the key of all Philosophers, which they have never revealed in their books. If you consider well and deep upon what has gone above you will know it. Not otherwise. Thus, moved by a spirit of pity, have I written this; but, and that I satisfy myself, as I made mention above, the fire is in no wise transmuted with the matter. I wished to speak this and to warn well the prudent concerning these things, that they spend not in vain their money, but know in advance what it is that they seek and, by this means, arrive at the truth of the the Art; not otherwise.  God keep thee. -- Those who are awake live in a constant state of amazement. ~Jack Kornfield the world of dew is just a world of dew... and yet... ~Issa Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. -- Those who are awake live in a constant state of amazement. ~Jack Kornfield the world of dew is just a world of dew... and yet... ~Issa Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. ------------------------------------ "Our highest duty as human beings is to search out a means whereby beings may be freed from all kinds of unsatisfactory experience and suffering." H.H. 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Guest guest Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 We cannot find the verb without the noun. But the noun without the verb is meaningless. Wave and particle. You are getting into quantum physics. And the only Jungian I know who understands quantum physics is Remo Roth. Who interestingly understands the concept of the orishas or energies. Yin and yang. There must be balance. So of course one must be both. Which even Jung stated without really stating it. > > > > > Subject: Re: Setting Our Fire > To: JUNG-FIRE > Date: Monday, January 16, 2012, 2:56 AM > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > since Steve's can't be accessed, > here is my translation of Pontanus. > > > >  > >  > >  > >  > >  > > JEAN PONTANUS > >  > >  > > EPISTLE > >  > >  > > on > >  > >  > > THE PHILOSOPHIC FIRE > >  > >  > >  > >  > >  > >  > >  > > translated into English > >  > > by > >  > > mike > dickman > >  > > from the French > rendering of > >  > > bernard > biebel > >  > >  > >  > > > > > >  > >  > >  > >  > >  > >  > >  > >  > >  > > EPISTOLA > >  > >  > > DE > >  > >  > > IGNE > >  > >  > > PHILOSOPHORUM > >  > >  > > per > >  > >  > > JOHANNES PONTANUS > >  > > > > > >  > >  > >  > >  > >  > >  > >  > >  > >  > >  > >  > >  > >  > >  > >  > >  > > " This fire, or fiery water, is the > vital spark > transmitted to inert matter by the Creator; it is the > spirit within things, the flaming > ray, imperishable, hidden in the depths of dark, formless > and frigid matter > (...) To our regret, we may no more than hint at the > existence of the reef and, > along with the most eminent philosophers, advise an > attentive reading of > Artephius, Pontanus and of the brief treatise entitled > Epistola de Igne Philosophorum. " > >  > > > (Fulcanelli, Le Mystère des > Cathédrales) > > > > > > >  > >  > >  > >  > >  > >  > >  > >  > >  > >  > >  > >  > >  > >  > >  > > the > >  > >  > > EPISTLE > >  > > on > > >  > >  > > THE > PHILOSOPHIC > >  > >  > > FIRE > > > > > >  > > THE > EPISTLE ON THE PHILOSOPHIC FIRE > >  > > I, > Pontanus, who have travelled into various realms and > domains on my quest to > know the certainty of the Philosophers' Stone, > journeying through all parts of > the world, have found but false Philosophers and deceivers. > Studying ever the > books of the Wise, my doubt mounting, I discovered the > truth: yet, > notwithstanding I had knowledge of the matter in general, I > erred still two > hundred times ere I found out the operation and practice > and true material. > > I commenced > first my operations with putrefactions of the Body of this > matter, the which I > continued over a period of nine months but it came to > naught. I placed it in > the balneum-marie for lengthy > periods, erring the same. I took and placed it in the > calcinating fire for > three months, proceeding yet awry. All types and sorts of > distillation and > sublimation mentioned - or apparently mentioned - by the > Philosophers - Geber, > Archelaus, and all the others - have I attempted and tried, > and found equally > nothing. In brief, I tried to come at and perfect in every > way conceivable the > subject of all the Art of Alchemy, be this by manure, > bathing, ashes, or the > thousand other sorts of fire mentioned by the Philosophers > in their works, but > nothing did I discover of worth. > > It was for > this reason that I set myself to study the books of the > Philosophers for three > years continual, studying among others those of Hermes, > whose brief words > contain the whole magistry of the Stone; though he speaks > quite obscurely of > things above and below, of Heaven and of the > Earth. > > All one's > application and care must then be only to know the correct > practice in the > first, second and third Works. It is not at all the fire of > the bath, dung or > ashes, nor any of the other fires of which the Philosophers > sing or describe > for us in their books. > > What, then is > this fire which perfects and achieves the entire Work, from > beginning to end? > Certainly all Philosophers have hidden it; but for myself, > touched by a moment > of pity, I would declare it and the achievement of the > whole Work. > > The > Philosophers' Stone is one and unique, but hidden and > veiled in a multiplicity > of different names, and before knowing it you will have > seen much struggle. By > your own genius will you come to know it only with > difficulty. It is watery, > airy, fiery and earthy, phlegmatic, choleric, sanguine and > melancholy. It is a > sulpher and equally quick silver. > > It has > several superfluities which I assure you by the living God, > transform > themselves into a sole and unique Essence if there be only > our fire. And > whoever - believing such to be necessary - would subtract > some thing from the > subject, knows of a certainty nothing of > Philosophy. For the superfluous, unclean, foul, scurvy, > miry and, in general, > entire substance of the subject, is perfected into one > fixed and spiritual body > by means of our fire. Which has never been revealed by the > Wise, thus making it > that but few succeed in this Art, imagining that some foul > and unworthy thing > must be separated out. > > It behoves > one now to make appear, and draw out the properties of our > fire; if it agree > with our matter in the way of which I have spoken, that is > to say, if it be > transmuted with the matter. This fire burns the material > not at all, nor > separates anything from it, nor divides nor puts apart the > parts pure and > impure, as is told by all Philosophers, but converts the > whole subject into > purity. It does not sublime as Geber or Arnold and all > others who have spoken > of sublimation and distillation sublime. And it makes and > perfects itself in > little time. > > This fire is > mineral, equal and continual, and fumes not unless over > aroused; it has certain > of the characteristics of sulphur, but is taken and > originates elsewhere than > in matter. It ruptures, dissolves, and congeals all things; > similarly congeals > and calcines; it is difficult to find by industry or by > Art. This fire is the > epitome and abridgement of the Work in its entirety, taking > no other thing > else, or very little, and this same fire introduces itself > and is of mediocre > heat; for with this little fire is the whole Work perfect, > and all due and > necessary sublimation achieved. > > Those who > read Geber and all other Philosophers shall never come to > an understanding of > it though they live one hundred thousand years; for that > this fire may not be > discovered but by the sole and profound meditation of the > mind, following which > one will understand the books, and not otherwise. Error in > this Art, consists > only in the acquisition or otherwise of this fire which > converts the whole > material into the Stone of the Wise. > > Study, then, > this fire, for had I myself found it at the first, I should > not have erred two > hundred times upon the true matter. By which am I no longer > surprised if so > many come not to the accomplishment of the Work. > > They err, > have erred and will ever err, in that the Philosophers have > placed their true > agent in but one, single thing, which Artephius alone > named, but speaking only > for himself. Had I not read Artephius, nor penetrated and > understood, never > would I have arrived at the accomplishment of the > Work. > > Here, then, > the practice: take the matter and, with all dilligence, > grind and pulverise it > wirh a philosophic contrition and place it upon the fire > that is within the > furnace. But the degree and proportion of the fire are also > to be known, to > wit, that the external fire excite only the matter; and in > little time this > fire, without that one put a hand to it in any manner, will > assuredly realise > the Work in its entirety. For it will purify, corrupt, > engender and bring to > perfection the whole work, making appear the three > principal colours, the > black, white and red. And by our fire the medicine will > multiply, not only in > quantity but also in virtue, if joined with matter in its > raw state. > > Search out, > therefore, this fire with all strength of your mind and you > shall attain the > goal you have set yourself; for it is this that brings to > completion all stages > of the Work, and is the key of all Philosophers, which they > have never revealed > in their books. If you consider well and deep upon what has > gone above you will > know it. Not otherwise. > > Thus, moved > by a spirit of pity, have I written this; but, and that I > satisfy myself, as I > made mention above, the fire is in no wise transmuted with > the matter. I wished > to speak this and to warn well the prudent concerning these > things, that they > spend not in vain their money, but know in advance what it > is that they seek > and, by this means, arrive at the truth of the the Art; not > otherwise. > >  > > God keep thee. > > > > > -- > > > > Those who are awake live in > a constant state of amazement. > > > ~Jack Kornfield > > > the world of dew > is just a world of dew... > and yet... > ~Issa > > > Please consider the environment before printing this > e-mail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Those who are awake live in > a constant state of amazement. > > > ~Jack Kornfield > > > the world of dew > is just a world of dew... > and yet... > ~Issa > > > Please consider the environment before printing this > e-mail. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------ > > " Our highest duty as human beings is to search out a > means whereby beings may be freed from all kinds of > unsatisfactory experience and suffering. " > > H.H. Tenzin Gyatso, the 14th. Dalai Lama > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 Very thought provoking, Charlie. Thanks. We cannot find the verb without the noun. But the noun without the verb is meaningless. Wave and particle. You are getting into quantum physics. And the only Jungian I know who understands quantum physics is Remo Roth. Who interestingly understands the concept of the orishas or energies. Yin and yang. There must be balance. So of course one must be both. Which even Jung stated without really stating it. Subject: Re: Setting Our Fire To: JUNG-FIRE Date: Monday, January 16, 2012, 2:56 AM  since Steve's can't be accessed, here is my translation of Pontanus.      JEAN PONTANUS   EPISTLE   on   THE PHILOSOPHIC FIRE        translated into English  by  mike dickman  from the French rendering of  bernard biebel             EPISTOLA   DE   IGNE   PHILOSOPHORUM   per   JOHANNES PONTANUS                  "This fire, or fiery water, is the vital spark transmitted to inert matter by the Creator; it is the spirit within things, the flaming ray, imperishable, hidden in the depths of dark, formless and frigid matter (...) To our regret, we may no more than hint at the existence of the reef and, along with the most eminent philosophers, advise an attentive reading of Artephius, Pontanus and of the brief treatise entitled Epistola de Igne Philosophorum."  (Fulcanelli, Le Mystère des Cathédrales)                the   EPISTLE  on   THE PHILOSOPHIC   FIRE  THE EPISTLE ON THE PHILOSOPHIC FIRE  I, Pontanus, who have travelled into various realms and domains on my quest to know the certainty of the Philosophers' Stone, journeying through all parts of the world, have found but false Philosophers and deceivers. Studying ever the books of the Wise, my doubt mounting, I discovered the truth: yet, notwithstanding I had knowledge of the matter in general, I erred still two hundred times ere I found out the operation and practice and true material. I commenced first my operations with putrefactions of the Body of this matter, the which I continued over a period of nine months but it came to naught. I placed it in the balneum-marie for lengthy periods, erring the same. I took and placed it in the calcinating fire for three months, proceeding yet awry. All types and sorts of distillation and sublimation mentioned - or apparently mentioned - by the Philosophers - Geber, Archelaus, and all the others - have I attempted and tried, and found equally nothing. In brief, I tried to come at and perfect in every way conceivable the subject of all the Art of Alchemy, be this by manure, bathing, ashes, or the thousand other sorts of fire mentioned by the Philosophers in their works, but nothing did I discover of worth. It was for this reason that I set myself to study the books of the Philosophers for three years continual, studying among others those of Hermes, whose brief words contain the whole magistry of the Stone; though he speaks quite obscurely of things above and below, of Heaven and of the Earth. All one's application and care must then be only to know the correct practice in the first, second and third Works. It is not at all the fire of the bath, dung or ashes, nor any of the other fires of which the Philosophers sing or describe for us in their books. What, then is this fire which perfects and achieves the entire Work, from beginning to end? Certainly all Philosophers have hidden it; but for myself, touched by a moment of pity, I would declare it and the achievement of the whole Work. The Philosophers' Stone is one and unique, but hidden and veiled in a multiplicity of different names, and before knowing it you will have seen much struggle. By your own genius will you come to know it only with difficulty. It is watery, airy, fiery and earthy, phlegmatic, choleric, sanguine and melancholy. It is a sulpher and equally quick silver. It has several superfluities which I assure you by the living God, transform themselves into a sole and unique Essence if there be only our fire. And whoever - believing such to be necessary - would subtract some thing from the subject, knows of a certainty nothing of Philosophy. For the superfluous, unclean, foul, scurvy, miry and, in general, entire substance of the subject, is perfected into one fixed and spiritual body by means of our fire. Which has never been revealed by the Wise, thus making it that but few succeed in this Art, imagining that some foul and unworthy thing must be separated out. It behoves one now to make appear, and draw out the properties of our fire; if it agree with our matter in the way of which I have spoken, that is to say, if it be transmuted with the matter. This fire burns the material not at all, nor separates anything from it, nor divides nor puts apart the parts pure and impure, as is told by all Philosophers, but converts the whole subject into purity. It does not sublime as Geber or Arnold and all others who have spoken of sublimation and distillation sublime. And it makes and perfects itself in little time. This fire is mineral, equal and continual, and fumes not unless over aroused; it has certain of the characteristics of sulphur, but is taken and originates elsewhere than in matter. It ruptures, dissolves, and congeals all things; similarly congeals and calcines; it is difficult to find by industry or by Art. This fire is the epitome and abridgement of the Work in its entirety, taking no other thing else, or very little, and this same fire introduces itself and is of mediocre heat; for with this little fire is the whole Work perfect, and all due and necessary sublimation achieved. Those who read Geber and all other Philosophers shall never come to an understanding of it though they live one hundred thousand years; for that this fire may not be discovered but by the sole and profound meditation of the mind, following which one will understand the books, and not otherwise. Error in this Art, consists only in the acquisition or otherwise of this fire which converts the whole material into the Stone of the Wise. Study, then, this fire, for had I myself found it at the first, I should not have erred two hundred times upon the true matter. By which am I no longer surprised if so many come not to the accomplishment of the Work. They err, have erred and will ever err, in that the Philosophers have placed their true agent in but one, single thing, which Artephius alone named, but speaking only for himself. Had I not read Artephius, nor penetrated and understood, never would I have arrived at the accomplishment of the Work. Here, then, the practice: take the matter and, with all dilligence, grind and pulverise it wirh a philosophic contrition and place it upon the fire that is within the furnace. But the degree and proportion of the fire are also to be known, to wit, that the external fire excite only the matter; and in little time this fire, without that one put a hand to it in any manner, will assuredly realise the Work in its entirety. For it will purify, corrupt, engender and bring to perfection the whole work, making appear the three principal colours, the black, white and red. And by our fire the medicine will multiply, not only in quantity but also in virtue, if joined with matter in its raw state. Search out, therefore, this fire with all strength of your mind and you shall attain the goal you have set yourself; for it is this that brings to completion all stages of the Work, and is the key of all Philosophers, which they have never revealed in their books. If you consider well and deep upon what has gone above you will know it. Not otherwise. Thus, moved by a spirit of pity, have I written this; but, and that I satisfy myself, as I made mention above, the fire is in no wise transmuted with the matter. I wished to speak this and to warn well the prudent concerning these things, that they spend not in vain their money, but know in advance what it is that they seek and, by this means, arrive at the truth of the the Art; not otherwise.  God keep thee. -- Those who are awake live in a constant state of amazement. ~Jack Kornfield the world of dew is just a world of dew... and yet... ~Issa Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. -- Those who are awake live in a constant state of amazement. ~Jack Kornfield the world of dew is just a world of dew... and yet... ~Issa Please consider the environment before printing this e-mail. ------------------------------------ "Our highest duty as human beings is to search out a means whereby beings may be freed from all kinds of unsatisfactory experience and suffering." H.H. 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Guest guest Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 thanks, Mike!! love ao since Steve's can't be accessed, here is my translation of Pontanus. JEAN PONTANUS EPISTLE on THE PHILOSOPHIC FIRE translated into English by mike dickman from the French rendering of bernard biebel EPISTOLA DE IGNE PHILOSOPHORUM per JOHANNES PONTANUS "This fire, or fiery water, is the vital spark transmitted to inert matter by the Creator; it is the spirit within things, the flaming ray, imperishable, hidden in the depths of dark, formless and frigid matter (...) To our regret, we may no more than hint at the existence of the reef and, along with the most eminent philosophers, advise an attentive reading of Artephius, Pontanus and of the brief treatise entitled Epistola de Igne Philosophorum." (Fulcanelli, Le Mystère des Cathédrales) the EPISTLE on THE PHILOSOPHIC FIRE THE EPISTLE ON THE PHILOSOPHIC FIRE I, Pontanus, who have travelled into various realms and domains on my quest to know the certainty of the Philosophers' Stone, journeying through all parts of the world, have found but false Philosophers and deceivers. Studying ever the books of the Wise, my doubt mounting, I discovered the truth: yet, notwithstanding I had knowledge of the matter in general, I erred still two hundred times ere I found out the operation and practice and true material. I commenced first my operations with putrefactions of the Body of this matter, the which I continued over a period of nine months but it came to naught. I placed it in the balneum-marie for lengthy periods, erring the same. I took and placed it in the calcinating fire for three months, proceeding yet awry. All types and sorts of distillation and sublimation mentioned - or apparently mentioned - by the Philosophers - Geber, Archelaus, and all the others - have I attempted and tried, and found equally nothing. In brief, I tried to come at and perfect in every way conceivable the subject of all the Art of Alchemy, be this by manure, bathing, ashes, or the thousand other sorts of fire mentioned by the Philosophers in their works, but nothing did I discover of worth. It was for this reason that I set myself to study the books of the Philosophers for three years continual, studying among others those of Hermes, whose brief words contain the whole magistry of the Stone; though he speaks quite obscurely of things above and below, of Heaven and of the Earth. All one's application and care must then be only to know the correct practice in the first, second and third Works. It is not at all the fire of the bath, dung or ashes, nor any of the other fires of which the Philosophers sing or describe for us in their books. What, then is this fire which perfects and achieves the entire Work, from beginning to end? Certainly all Philosophers have hidden it; but for myself, touched by a moment of pity, I would declare it and the achievement of the whole Work. The Philosophers' Stone is one and unique, but hidden and veiled in a multiplicity of different names, and before knowing it you will have seen much struggle. By your own genius will you come to know it only with difficulty. It is watery, airy, fiery and earthy, phlegmatic, choleric, sanguine and melancholy. It is a sulpher and equally quick silver. It has several superfluities which I assure you by the living God, transform themselves into a sole and unique Essence if there be only our fire. And whoever - believing such to be necessary - would subtract some thing from the subject, knows of a certainty nothing of Philosophy. For the superfluous, unclean, foul, scurvy, miry and, in general, entire substance of the subject, is perfected into one fixed and spiritual body by means of our fire. Which has never been revealed by the Wise, thus making it that but few succeed in this Art, imagining that some foul and unworthy thing must be separated out. It behoves one now to make appear, and draw out the properties of our fire; if it agree with our matter in the way of which I have spoken, that is to say, if it be transmuted with the matter. This fire burns the material not at all, nor separates anything from it, nor divides nor puts apart the parts pure and impure, as is told by all Philosophers, but converts the whole subject into purity. It does not sublime as Geber or Arnold and all others who have spoken of sublimation and distillation sublime. And it makes and perfects itself in little time. This fire is mineral, equal and continual, and fumes not unless over aroused; it has certain of the characteristics of sulphur, but is taken and originates elsewhere than in matter. It ruptures, dissolves, and congeals all things; similarly congeals and calcines; it is difficult to find by industry or by Art. This fire is the epitome and abridgement of the Work in its entirety, taking no other thing else, or very little, and this same fire introduces itself and is of mediocre heat; for with this little fire is the whole Work perfect, and all due and necessary sublimation achieved. Those who read Geber and all other Philosophers shall never come to an understanding of it though they live one hundred thousand years; for that this fire may not be discovered but by the sole and profound meditation of the mind, following which one will understand the books, and not otherwise. Error in this Art, consists only in the acquisition or otherwise of this fire which converts the whole material into the Stone of the Wise. Study, then, this fire, for had I myself found it at the first, I should not have erred two hundred times upon the true matter. By which am I no longer surprised if so many come not to the accomplishment of the Work. They err, have erred and will ever err, in that the Philosophers have placed their true agent in but one, single thing, which Artephius alone named, but speaking only for himself. Had I not read Artephius, nor penetrated and understood, never would I have arrived at the accomplishment of the Work. Here, then, the practice: take the matter and, with all dilligence, grind and pulverise it wirh a philosophic contrition and place it upon the fire that is within the furnace. But the degree and proportion of the fire are also to be known, to wit, that the external fire excite only the matter; and in little time this fire, without that one put a hand to it in any manner, will assuredly realise the Work in its entirety. For it will purify, corrupt, engender and bring to perfection the whole work, making appear the three principal colours, the black, white and red. And by our fire the medicine will multiply, not only in quantity but also in virtue, if joined with matter in its raw state. Search out, therefore, this fire with all strength of your mind and you shall attain the goal you have set yourself; for it is this that brings to completion all stages of the Work, and is the key of all Philosophers, which they have never revealed in their books. If you consider well and deep upon what has gone above you will know it. Not otherwise. Thus, moved by a spirit of pity, have I written this; but, and that I satisfy myself, as I made mention above, the fire is in no wise transmuted with the matter. I wished to speak this and to warn well the prudent concerning these things, that they spend not in vain their money, but know in advance what it is that they seek and, by this means, arrive at the truth of the the Art; not otherwise. God keep thee. -- Those who are awake live in a constant state of amazement. ~Jack Kornfieldthe world of dewis just a world of dew...and yet...~IssaPlease consider the environment before printing this e-mail. -- Those who are awake live in a constant state of amazement. ~Jack Kornfieldthe world of dewis just a world of dew...and yet...~IssaPlease consider the environment before printing this e-mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2012 Report Share Posted January 16, 2012 >we can't access this, Steve. Ok Try this ! Wait for it to start playing, it starts very quietly. Its my voice with a directed metaphysical exercise. Would love to hear comments by those who try it. Some will experience something immediately, others will have to repeat it a few times. Like everything, its a development. http://dl.dropbox.com/u/51631607/Overall%20Exercise.wma Steve Re: Setting Our Fire we can't access this, Steve.-- Those who are awake live in a constant state of amazement. ~Jack Kornfieldthe world of dewis just a world of dew...and yet...~IssaPlease consider the environment before printing this e-mail. No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.454 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/4145 - Release Date: 01/15/12 19:34:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 Mike, Try it now http://dl.dropbox.com/u/51631607/Overall%20Exercise.wma Steve Re: Setting Our Fire no, you're missing MY point... it's not that the material is difficult of access, it's that nothing comes up at the dropbox address (and i HAVE dropbox)-- Those who are awake live in a constant state of amazement. ~Jack Kornfieldthe world of dewis just a world of dew...and yet...~IssaPlease consider the environment before printing this e-mail. No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.454 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/4147 - Release Date: 01/16/12 19:34:00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2012 Report Share Posted January 17, 2012 still nothing - you may have to pull it out of dropbox for us.-- Those who are awake live in a constant state of amazement. ~Jack Kornfieldthe world of dewis just a world of dew...and yet...~IssaPlease consider the environment before printing this e-mail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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