Re: P.S.

[Guest guest]

Peace Psychology - I like the sounds of that, Roseroberta. Reinhold

Niebuhr's Serenity Prayer always helps to restore my own sense of

peace. Are you familiar with it? Most people know the first part,

but I like the "instruction manual" contained in the second part

;-).

Here it is for your reading pleasure...

"God, grant me the serenity

to accept the things I cannot change;

courage to change the things I can;

and the wisdom to know the difference.

Living one day at a time;

Enjoying one moment at a time;

Accepting hardships as the pathway to peace;

Taking, as He did, this sinful world

as it is, not as I would have it;

Trusting that He will make all things right

if I surrender to His Will;

That I may be reasonably happy in this life

and supremely happy with Him Forever in the next." --Reinhold

Niebuhr

Also, are you familiar with the work of Marshall Rosenberg - "Speak

Peace" and "Nonviolent Communication?" According to ,

verbal abuse precedes all abuse. Perhaps we can wage peace with our

speech.

Cheers,

Robin

Since I am taking a course this term on Peace Psychology am

in deep not only in the study of psychology, but also

education, I find a lot of the unconscionable comments I heard

frightening from people who study about the collective

unconscious and the like. I suggest you take a look at the

work of o Friere and others who understand the world we

are presently living in and the need for education systems

that work to more than sponsor a proletariat. Your dear

elites have gone socialist in England, and I have been there.

I wonder, if as I have, the people spouting the wonders of

India's caste system have been dear, and if they were did they

have any understanding of how differently they were treated in

every store they went into depending on how they approached

people and what they smelled of in a society that is very

nonverbal and quick to catch on to who someone is. We have an

elite in this society they are now busy dumbing our education

system, setting up sweatshops in other countries, creating

products to sell sell sell the latest version, stereotyping

poor people into lump categories to dehumanize and infantilize

them so they can never get out of it (many books are written

about it by top educations...trying reading Falling Down by

Barbara can't remember her last name now) and turning the

middle class into low paid worker bees. This has not been

fun or enjoyable. I joined this group, because I thought

there would be discussion about Jung and his works for

reflection in one's life and creating change. Obviously, many

of you are interested in keeping the status quo and your own

prejudices which have come to look like they are racist to be

and intolerant of those who are not privileged. There are

some of you who seem to be realizing what is happening now and

what is needed. The rest of you seem like you are in a trance

to me and history and Jung's teaching are only lulling you

into numbness. I am sorry I sent that ad......I repeat the

purpose was think about what it would really be like if there

were a war on our soil....I am totally sorry I ever sent it.

--

"Good health is not the absence of symptoms, it is the presence

of peace." - Neale Walsh

http://www.healthforlifecoloncare.com/

http://www.traditionalnutrition.org/

[Guest guest]

Since I am taking a course this term on Peace

Psychology am in deep not only in the study of

psychology, but also education, I find a lot of the

unconscionable comments I heard frightening from people

who study about the collective unconscious and the

like. I suggest you take a look at the work of o

Friere and others who understand the world we are

presently living in and the need for education systems

that work to more than sponsor a proletariat. Your dear

elites have gone socialist in England, and I have been

there. I wonder, if as I have, the people spouting the

wonders of India's caste system have been dear,

Who the heck has praised India's caste system? To repeat, I think

that Jung praised India in the 1950's because it embodied a

combination of British government and Eastern spirituality. I

believe British rule mitigated the effects of the caste system

(although the Brits were not so foolish as to try to completely root

out such an entrenched cultural practice - there are always limits

as to what can be done).

and if they were did they have any understanding of

how differently they were treated in every store they

went into depending on how they approached people and

what they smelled of in a society that is very nonverbal

and quick to catch on to who someone is. We have an

elite in this society they are now busy dumbing our

education system, setting up sweatshops in other

countries, creating products to sell sell sell the

latest version, stereotyping poor people into lump

categories to dehumanize and infantilize them so they

can never get out of it (many books are written about it

by top educations...trying reading Falling Down by

Barbara can't remember her last name now) and turning

the middle class into low paid worker bees. This has

not been fun or enjoyable. I joined this group, because

I thought there would be discussion about Jung and his

works for reflection in one's life and creating change.

The past few days have reflected the first discussion about Jung of

any length that I have seen for some weeks, if not months. Certainly

there is much in Jung pertaining to creating change in one's own

life. However, if you mean creating change in the world at large in

accordance with some kind of cosmopolitan, egalitarian political

movement, it might be hard to find that in Jung. I think that for

Jung, "salvation" is to be found within the individual - "the

Kingdom of God is within." It is not about transforming the world at

large into some kind of super-enlightened state - the world does not

admit of such transformation. "I am not concerned about the world. I

am concerned about the people with whom I live. The other world is

all in the newspapers. My family and my neighbors are my life - the

only life I can experience. What lies beyond is newspaper mythology.

It is not of vast importance that I make a career or achieve great

things for myself. What is important and meaningful to my life is

that I shall live as fully as possible to fulfill the divine will

within me." (CGJ, 1934, "The World on the Verge of Spiritual

Rebirth?").

Obviously, many of you are interested in keeping

the status quo and your own prejudices which have come

to look like they are racist to be and intolerant of

those who are not privileged. There are some of you who

seem to be realizing what is happening now and what is

needed. The rest of you seem like you are in a trance

to me and history and Jung's teaching are only lulling

you into numbness. I am sorry I sent that ad......I

repeat the purpose was think about what it would really

be like if there were a war on our soil....

Speaking only for myself, I do think about what it would be like to

have war on our soil. Hence I would prefer (1) to avoid war where

possible and (2) to fight the unavoidable wars elsewhere before they

reach our soil.

regards,

Dan Watkins

I am totally sorry I ever sent it.

[Guest guest]

Sigh, there is indeed an elitist component to Jungians not only in this group but in most all of them.Anyone know why this might be the case? I would think one might become more compassioniate as one individuates? Distancing oneself a bit from the collective( which individuation may tend to promote by definition) doesn't mean one cannot have great compassion and indeed engage in social activism for those who will never have the opportunity to take that journey, by the virtue of the circumstances into which they were born. Jungians focus on the individual and intensive personal/individual insight/ growth which will thereby lead to greater collective growth and change.I do not see however, why the two are mutually exclusive.I would think compassionate acts would also lead to deep personal insight as well as Jungian analysis or studying the Collected Works or immersing oneself in the beauty and mystery of The Red Book. Why not both?

This being said there is a lot of wisdom here, hang in there :-)

P.S.

Since I am taking a course this term on Peace Psychology am in deep not only in the study of psychology, but also education, I find a lot of the unconscionable comments I heard frightening from people who study about the collective unconscious and the like. I suggest you take a look at the work of o Friere and others who understand the world we are presently living in and the need for education systems that work to more than sponsor a proletariat. Your dear elites have gone socialist in England, and I have been there. I wonder, if as I have, the people spouting the wonders of India's caste system have been dear, and if they were did they have any understanding of how differently they were treated in every store they went into depending on how they approached people and what they smelled of in a society that is very nonverbal and quick to catch on to who someone is. We have an elite in this society they are now busy dumbing our education system, setting up sweatshops in other countries, creating products to sell sell sell the latest version, stereotyping poor people into lump categories to dehumanize and infantilize them so they can never get out of it (many books are written about it by top educations...trying reading Falling Down by Barbara can't remember her last name now) and turning the middle class into low paid worker bees. This has not been fun or enjoyable. I joined this group, because I thought there would be discussion about Jung and his works for reflection in one's life and creating change. Obviously, many of you are interested in keeping the status quo and your own prejudices which have come to look like they are racist to be and intolerant of those who are not privileged. There are some of you who seem to be realizing what is happening now and what is needed. The rest of you seem like you are in a trance to me and history and Jung's teaching are only lulling you into numbness. I am sorry I sent that ad......I repeat the purpose was think about what it would really be like if there were a war on our soil....I am totally sorry I ever sent it.

[Guest guest]

 

Sigh, there is indeed an elitist component

to Jungians not only in this group but in most all of

them.Anyone know why this might be the case?

Jung was an elitist. A cursory glance at his writings confirms this.

I'm sure that, if he were alive today, he would be called everything

but a child of God, unless he took pains to be more circumspect in

his speech. From a Marxist pov, he was a total reactionary.

I would think one might become more compassioniate

as one individuates?

I would say that compassion and elitism are not incompatible. I

think that Jung was compassionate. A problem with compassion is that

it does not, by itself, result in knowing what to do for the best.

 Distancing  oneself a bit from the collective(

which individuation may tend to promote by definition)

doesn't mean one cannot have great compassion and

indeed engage in social activism for those who will

never have the opportunity to take that journey, by

the virtue of the circumstances into which they were

born.

"Social activism" is always dicey. It does seem to imply that *I*

know what is to be done (and usually I don't), speaking of elitism.

Jungians focus on the individual and intensive

personal/individual insight/ growth which will thereby

lead to greater collective growth and change.I do not

see however, why the two are mutually exclusive.

I would agree that they are not, but I don't assume that the one

necessarily leads to another. I don't know that the kind of regime

where a great individual like Jung can thrive is necessarily one

that is most comfortable for, say, the average worker. The

individual can thrive in India, I should think, but everybody seems

to be down on it.

regards,

Dan Watkins

"It is far more interesting and productive to discuss something

about which different views are held. I do not particularly enjoy a

discussion in which everybody agrees with me - there is no obstacle

to overcome, no tension, no productive flow. Differences of opinion

can be fruitful; so can quarrels" (CGJ, 1955).

I would think compassionate acts would also lead to

deep personal insight as well as Jungian analysis or

studying the Collected Works or immersing oneself in

the beauty and mystery of The Red Book. Why not

both? 

This being said there is a lot of wisdom here,

hang in there :-)

P.S.

 

Since I am taking a course this term

on Peace Psychology am in deep not only

in the study of psychology, but also

education, I find a lot of the

unconscionable comments I heard

frightening from people who study about

the collective unconscious and the

like.  I suggest you take a look at the

work of o Friere and others who

understand the world we are presently

living in and the need for education

systems that work to more than sponsor a

proletariat.  Your dear elites have gone

socialist in England, and I have been

there.  I wonder, if as I have, the

people spouting the wonders of India's

caste system have been dear, and if they

were did they have any understanding of

how differently they were treated in

every store they went into depending on

how they approached people and what they

smelled of in a society that is very

nonverbal and quick to catch on to who

someone is.  We have an elite in this

society they are now busy dumbing our

education system, setting up sweatshops

in other countries, creating products to

sell sell sell the latest version,

stereotyping poor people into lump

categories to dehumanize and infantilize

them so they can never get out of it

(many books are written about it by top

educations...trying reading Falling Down

by Barbara can't remember her last name

now) and turning the middle class into

low paid worker bees.   This has not

been fun or enjoyable.  I joined this

group, because I thought there would be

discussion about Jung and his works for

reflection in one's life and creating

change.  Obviously, many of you are

interested in keeping the status quo and

your own prejudices which have come to

look like they are racist to be and

intolerant of those who are not

privileged.  There are some of you who

seem to be realizing what is happening

now and what is needed.  The rest of you

seem like you are in a trance to me and

history and Jung's teaching are only

lulling you into numbness.  I am sorry I

sent that ad......I repeat the purpose

was think about what it would really be

like if there were a war on our

soil....I am totally sorry I ever sent

it.

[Guest guest]

...My family and my neighbors are my life - the only life I can experience. What lies beyond is newspaper mythology...

Dan,

I have never understood those who care only for themselves and their families and feel no concern for other fellow human beings. A suggestion ,perhaps venture out into the "mythology" of your immediate community. Find a group home for the mentally ill or frequent a homeless shelter(and there should be no shortage of opportunities), given a short drive. Go a few times, spend time with them,get to know them,your fellow human beings who are suffering. See how much they appreciate it when you show up and show you actually care. You may be the only ray of hope in their lives.This is a truly spiritual experience, which actually immediately benefits others, significantly. Not merely curling up with your journal and the Collected Works. And isn't this what good Christians, Jews, Muslims, and Buddhists and purported progressives, are supposed to be doing? I mean shouldn't we at least try to walk the walk ?

P.S.

Since I am taking a course this term on Peace Psychology am in deep not only in the study of psychology, but also education, I find a lot of the unconscionable comments I heard frightening from people who study about the collective unconscious and the like. I suggest you take a look at the work of o Friere and others who understand the world we are presently living in and the need for education systems that work to more than sponsor a proletariat. Your dear elites have gone socialist in England, and I have been there. I wonder, if as I have, the people spouting the wonders of India's caste system have been dear, and if they were did they have any understanding of how differently they were treated in every store they went into depending on how they approached people and what they smelled of in a society that is very nonverbal and quick to catch on to who someone is. We have an elite in this society they are now busy dumbing our education system , setting up sweatshops in other countries, creating products to sell sell sell the latest version, stereotyping poor people into lump categories to dehumanize and infantilize them so they can never get out of it (many books are written about it by top educations...trying reading Falling Down by Barbara can't remember her last name now) and turning the middle class into low paid worker bees. This has not been fun or enjoyable. I joined this group, because I thought there would be discussion about Jung and his works for reflection in one's life and creating change. Obviously, many of you are interested in keeping the status quo and your own prejudices which have come to look like they are racist to be and intolerant of those who are not privileged. There are some of you who seem to be realizing what is happening now and what is needed. The rest of you seem like you are in a trance to me and history and Jung's teaching are only lulling you i nto numbness. I am sorry I sent that ad......I repeat the purpose was think about what it would really be like if there were a war on our soil....I am totally sorry I ever sent it.