Re: Hypocrisy of WIC program

[Guest guest]

Well maybe there is something that AAFP could get involved in. That’s just old rules not being kept up with new guidelines. I wonder if that i s just your state though Beth. I don’t see infants anymore so I don’t know what WIC covers and doesn’t. Kathy Saradarian, MDBranchville, NJwww.qualityfamilypractice.comSolo 4/03, Practicing since 9/90Practice Partner 5/03Low staffing From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Beth SullivanSent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 8:39 AMTo: Subject: Hypocrisy of WIC program I am extremely confused by the mixed messages our government is sending. Case in point: On one hand they are complaining about obese kids and adults, giving pregnant women and new mothers long lectures about “healthy” eating and how to feed their children “appropriately”. Then after the education session the mother or pregnant woman gets her WIC certificates and they are forbid from getting low fat or skim milk for their children and provided with a boat load of fruit juice each month. Also lets give them high fat cheese (cheddar or Swiss only) but not yogurt as a dairy source. You educate moms about not eating tuna and other types of fish while they are pregnant and then give them tuna fish as part of their monthly food allotment. This is utterly insane, but nothing less than I expect of the fools running things. Sorry all, I had to vent. This really pissed me off. Dr. Beth Sullivan, DO

[Guest guest]

This was actually my grandchild. My 19 year old daughter had him a year ago, during her pregnancy she was given monthly 6- 5oz cans of tuna packed in water5- gallons of 2%, 1% or skim milk6- 46 oz containers of fruit juice$10 of fresh fruits & or vegetables1 loaf of whole wheat or rye bread, or taco shells or rolls4 cans of beans or dried beans1 box of cereal1 dozen large eggs2 jars of peanut butter2- 16 ozs bricks of cheddar or Swiss cheese After my grandson came and while she was breastfeeding she received no supplemental formula in case milk supply or other issues caused a decrease in available breast milk. Starting at 5 months until he was 1 year old she received 64 jars of stage 2 only single fruits or vegetables and 31 jars of meats each month. She still has a lot of this stuff because as he got teeth in and started to eat the stage 3 & above meals, he no longer would touch the stuff that had been pureed to within an inch of life. He wanted texture in his foods. Now that he is over a year old, she just received the next allotment of WIC certificates and we were surprised to see he amount of fruit juice for just him to increase to 6- 64 oz bottles, and the milk o now be specified as whole milk only 6 gallons each month. The fruits & veges were dropped to $6 per month peanut butter to 1 jar and no cereal at all. It just seems to me that someone at WIC ought to be paying attention to what the USDA is advising and that the WIC food vouchers should fulfill the needs of this group based on current guidelines and recommendations. I called the local WIC office to question what my daughter as well as some of my patients parents had received for them in terms of amounts and types of foods and was told that our local WIC office had no control over content of food and they were following the WIC guidelines mandated in Washington. I just thought this was an interesting thing given the current battle over obesity in this country and laws in Mass. Being passed prohibiting bake sales and pink slime being permitted in school lunches. The WIC program should advocate the dietary guidelines proposed by the USDA and should provide foods to moms & kids that meet these guidelines. Dr. Beth Sullivan, DO From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Kathy SaradarianSent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 12:06 PMTo: Subject: RE: Hypocrisy of WIC program Well maybe there is something that AAFP could get involved in. That’s just old rules not being kept up with new guidelines. I wonder if that i s just your state though Beth. I don’t see infants anymore so I don’t know what WIC covers and doesn’t. Kathy Saradarian, MDBranchville, NJwww.qualityfamilypractice.comSolo 4/03, Practicing since 9/90Practice Partner 5/03Low staffing From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Beth SullivanSent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 8:39 AMTo: Subject: Hypocrisy of WIC program I am extremely confused by the mixed messages our government is sending. Case in point: On one hand they are complaining about obese kids and adults, giving pregnant women and new mothers long lectures about “healthy” eating and how to feed their children “appropriately”. Then after the education session the mother or pregnant woman gets her WIC certificates and they are forbid from getting low fat or skim milk for their children and provided with a boat load of fruit juice each month. Also lets give them high fat cheese (cheddar or Swiss only) but not yogurt as a dairy source. You educate moms about not eating tuna and other types of fish while they are pregnant and then give them tuna fish as part of their monthly food allotment. This is utterly insane, but nothing less than I expect of the fools running things. Sorry all, I had to vent. This really pissed me off. Dr. Beth Sullivan, DO

[Guest guest]

Beth,I think it makes sense that kids between 1 and 2 only get whole (or 2%) milk .  But I may be behind.

Hopefully she'll donate the stuff she doesn't use to someone who can or a food bank.I imagine there must be some lobbying by the companies chosen as suppliers somewhere along the line.

Seems like a doctor/grandma letter about the juice to a WIC supervisor would be a good use of energy.  

SharonSharon McCoy MDRenaissance Family Medicine10 McClintock Court; Irvine, CA  92617

PH: (949)387-5504   Fax: (949)281-2197  Toll free phone/fax:  www.SharonMD.com

 

This was actually my grandchild.  My 19 year old daughter had him a year ago, during her pregnancy she was given monthly

6- 5oz cans of tuna packed in water5- gallons of 2%, 1% or skim milk6- 46 oz containers of fruit juice

$10 of fresh fruits & or vegetables1 loaf of whole wheat or rye bread, or taco shells or rolls

4 cans of beans or dried beans1 box of cereal1 dozen large eggs

2 jars of peanut butter2- 16 ozs bricks of cheddar or Swiss cheese

 After my grandson came and while she was breastfeeding she received no supplemental formula in case milk supply or other issues caused a decrease in available breast milk.  Starting at 5 months until he was 1 year old she received 64 jars of stage 2 only single fruits or vegetables and 31 jars of meats each month.  She still has a lot of this stuff because as he got teeth in and started to eat the stage 3 & above meals, he no longer would touch the stuff that had been pureed to within an inch of life.  He

wanted texture in his foods. Now that he is over a year old, she just received the next allotment of WIC certificates and we were surprised to see he amount of fruit juice for just him to increase to 6- 64 oz bottles, and the milk o now be specified as whole milk only 6 gallons each month.  The fruits & veges were dropped to $6 per month peanut butter to 1 jar and no cereal at all. 

 It just seems to me that someone at WIC ought to be paying attention to what the USDA is advising and that the WIC food vouchers should fulfill the needs of this group based on current guidelines and recommendations.  I called the local WIC office to question what my daughter as well as some of my patients parents had received for them in terms of amounts and types of foods and was told that our local WIC office had no control over content of food and they were following the WIC guidelines mandated in Washington.

 I just thought this was an interesting thing given the current battle over obesity in this country and laws in Mass. Being passed prohibiting bake sales and pink slime being permitted in school lunches.  The WIC program should advocate the dietary guidelines proposed by the USDA and should provide foods to moms & kids that meet these guidelines.

 Dr. Beth Sullivan, DO 

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Kathy Saradarian

Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 12:06 PMTo: Subject: RE: Hypocrisy of WIC program

   Well maybe there is something that AAFP could get involved in.  That’s just old rules not being kept up with new guidelines.  I wonder if that i s just your state though Beth.  I don’t see infants anymore so I don’t know what WIC covers and doesn’t. 

  Kathy Saradarian, MD

Branchville, NJwww.qualityfamilypractice.com

Solo 4/03, Practicing since 9/90Practice Partner 5/03

Low staffing 

   

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Beth Sullivan

Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 8:39 AMTo: Subject: Hypocrisy of WIC program

   I am extremely confused by the mixed messages our government is sending.  Case in point: 

On one hand they are complaining about obese kids and adults, giving pregnant women and new mothers long lectures about “healthy” eating and how to feed their children “appropriately”.  Then after the education session the mother or pregnant woman gets her WIC certificates and they are forbid from getting low fat or skim milk for their children and provided with a boat load of fruit juice  each month.  Also lets give them high fat cheese (cheddar or Swiss only) but not yogurt as a dairy source.  You educate moms about not eating tuna and other types of fish while they are pregnant and then give them tuna fish as part of their monthly food allotment.  This is utterly insane, but nothing less than I expect of the fools running things. 

 Sorry all, I had to vent.  This really pissed me off. Dr. Beth Sullivan, DO

 

[Guest guest]

What about mothers using Medicaid and WIC here in Florida while driving Porche Cheyenne (SUV) and wearing expensive purses?

To: Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2012 12:36 PMSubject: RE: Hypocrisy of WIC program

This was actually my grandchild. My 19 year old daughter had him a year ago, during her pregnancy she was given monthly

6- 5oz cans of tuna packed in water

5- gallons of 2%, 1% or skim milk

6- 46 oz containers of fruit juice

$10 of fresh fruits & or vegetables

1 loaf of whole wheat or rye bread, or taco shells or rolls

4 cans of beans or dried beans

1 box of cereal

1 dozen large eggs

2 jars of peanut butter

2- 16 ozs bricks of cheddar or Swiss cheese

After my grandson came and while she was breastfeeding she received no supplemental formula in case milk supply or other issues caused a decrease in available breast milk. Starting at 5 months until he was 1 year old she received 64 jars of stage 2 only single fruits or vegetables and 31 jars of meats each month. She still has a lot of this stuff because as he got teeth in and started to eat the stage 3 & above meals, he no longer would touch the stuff that had been pureed to within an inch of life. He

wanted texture in his foods.

Now that he is over a year old, she just received the next allotment of WIC certificates and we were surprised to see he amount of fruit juice for just him to increase to 6- 64 oz bottles, and the milk o now be specified as whole milk only 6 gallons each month. The fruits & veges were dropped to $6 per month peanut butter to 1 jar and no cereal at all.

It just seems to me that someone at WIC ought to be paying attention to what the USDA is advising and that the WIC food vouchers should fulfill the needs of this group based on current guidelines and recommendations. I called the local WIC office to question what my daughter as well as some of my patients parents had received for them in terms of amounts and types of foods and was told that our local WIC office had no control over content of food and they were following the WIC guidelines mandated in Washington.

I just thought this was an interesting thing given the current battle over obesity in this country and laws in Mass. Being passed prohibiting bake sales and pink slime being permitted in school lunches. The WIC program should advocate the dietary guidelines proposed by the USDA and should provide foods to moms & kids that meet these guidelines.

Dr. Beth Sullivan, DO

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Kathy SaradarianSent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 12:06 PMTo: Subject: RE: Hypocrisy of WIC program

Well maybe there is something that AAFP could get involved in. That’s just old rules not being kept up with new guidelines. I wonder if that i s just your state though Beth. I don’t see infants anymore so I don’t know what WIC covers and doesn’t.

Kathy Saradarian, MD

Branchville, NJ

www.qualityfamilypractice.com

Solo 4/03, Practicing since 9/90

Practice Partner 5/03

Low staffing

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Beth SullivanSent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 8:39 AMTo: Subject: Hypocrisy of WIC program

I am extremely confused by the mixed messages our government is sending. Case in point:

On one hand they are complaining about obese kids and adults, giving pregnant women and new mothers long lectures about “healthy†eating and how to feed their children “appropriatelyâ€. Then after the education session the mother or pregnant woman gets her WIC certificates and they are forbid from getting low fat or skim milk for their children and provided with a boat load of fruit juice each month. Also lets give them high fat cheese (cheddar or Swiss only) but not yogurt as a dairy source. You educate moms about not eating tuna and other types of fish while they are pregnant and then give them tuna fish as part of their monthly food allotment. This is utterly insane, but nothing less than I expect of the fools running things.

Sorry all, I had to vent. This really pissed me off.

Dr. Beth Sullivan, DO

[Guest guest]

You saw that?

 

What about  mothers

using Medicaid and WIC here in Florida while driving

Porche Cheyenne (SUV) and wearing expensive purses?

From:

Beth Sullivan

To:

Sent:

Wednesday, May 9, 2012 12:36 PM

Subject:

RE: Hypocrisy of WIC

program

 

This was actually

my grandchild.  My 19 year old daughter

had him a year ago, during her pregnancy

she was given monthly

6- 5oz cans of

tuna packed in water

5- gallons of 2%,

1% or skim milk

6- 46 oz

containers of fruit juice

$10 of fresh

fruits & or vegetables

1 loaf of whole

wheat or rye bread, or taco shells or

rolls

4 cans of beans or

dried beans

1 box of cereal

1 dozen large eggs

2 jars of peanut

butter

2- 16 ozs bricks

of cheddar or Swiss cheese

 

After my grandson

came and while she was breastfeeding she

received no supplemental formula in case

milk supply or other issues caused a

decrease in available breast milk. 

Starting at 5 months until he was 1 year

old she received 64 jars of stage 2 only

single fruits or vegetables and 31 jars of

meats each month.  She still has a lot of

this stuff because as he got teeth in and

started to eat the stage 3 & above

meals, he no longer would touch the stuff

that had been pureed to within an inch of

life.  He

wanted texture in

his foods.

 

Now that he is

over a year old, she just received the

next allotment of WIC certificates and we

were surprised to see he amount of fruit

juice for just him to increase to 6- 64 oz

bottles, and the milk o now be specified

as whole milk only 6 gallons each month. 

The fruits & veges were dropped to $6

per month peanut butter to 1 jar and no

cereal at all. 

 

It just seems to

me that someone at WIC ought to be paying

attention to what the USDA is advising and

that the WIC food vouchers should fulfill

the needs of this group based on current

guidelines and recommendations.  I called

the local WIC office to question what my

daughter as well as some of my patients

parents had received for them in terms of

amounts and types of foods and was told

that our local WIC office had no control

over content of food and they were

following the WIC guidelines mandated in

Washington.

 

I just thought

this was an interesting thing given the

current battle over obesity in this

country and laws in Mass. Being passed

prohibiting bake sales and pink slime

being permitted in school lunches.  The

WIC program should advocate the dietary

guidelines proposed by the USDA and should

provide foods to moms & kids that meet

these guidelines.

 

Dr. Beth

Sullivan, DO

 

From:

[mailto: ]

On Behalf Of Kathy Saradarian

Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012

12:06 PM

To:

Subject: RE:

Hypocrisy of

WIC program

 

 

Well maybe there is

something that AAFP could get

involved in.  That’s just old

rules not being kept up with new

guidelines.  I wonder if that i s

just your state though Beth.  I

don’t see infants anymore so I

don’t know what WIC covers and

doesn’t. 

 

 

Kathy Saradarian, MD

Branchville, NJ

www.qualityfamilypractice.com

Solo 4/03, Practicing since

9/90

Practice Partner 5/03

Low staffing

 

 

 

 

From:

[mailto: ]

On Behalf Of Beth

Sullivan

Sent: Wednesday, May

09, 2012 8:39 AM

To:

Subject:

Hypocrisy of WIC program

 

 

I

am extremely confused by the

mixed messages our

government is sending.  Case

in point: 

On

one hand they are

complaining about obese kids

and adults, giving pregnant

women and new mothers long

lectures about “healthyâ€

eating and how to feed their

children “appropriatelyâ€. 

Then after the education

session the mother or

pregnant woman gets her WIC

certificates and they are

forbid from getting low fat

or skim milk for their

children and provided with a

boat load of fruit juice 

each month.  Also lets give

them high fat cheese

(cheddar or Swiss only) but

not yogurt as a dairy

source.  You educate moms

about not eating tuna and

other types of fish while

they are pregnant and then

give them tuna fish as part

of their monthly food

allotment.  This is utterly

insane, but nothing less

than I expect of the fools

running things. 

 

Sorry

all, I had to vent.  This

really pissed me off.

 

Dr.

Beth Sullivan, DO

 

[Guest guest]

My daughter is married and her husband is currently on workman’s comp following an injury at Home Depot.  We help when we can but with 2 other kids in college and one on unemployment, mom & dad are stretched real thin.  I agree with you that patients on Medicaid & WIC that are sporting expensive hairdos, manicures clothes and bright shiny new cars are a joke.  Unfortunately the government is too busy trying to prove that doctors are all in it for the money and paying for unused TSA equipment and fancy seminars for GSA employees and covering up the expenses for hookers and other forms of entertainment for the secret service to worry about welfare fraud right now. Dr. Beth Sullivan, DO From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Adolfo Enrique TeranSent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 10:38 AMTo: Subject: Re: Hypocrisy of WIC program What about mothers using Medicaid and WIC here in Florida while driving Porche Cheyenne (SUV) and wearing expensive purses? To: Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2012 12:36 PMSubject: RE: Hypocrisy of WIC program This was actually my grandchild. My 19 year old daughter had him a year ago, during her pregnancy she was given monthly 6- 5oz cans of tuna packed in water5- gallons of 2%, 1% or skim milk6- 46 oz containers of fruit juice$10 of fresh fruits & or vegetables1 loaf of whole wheat or rye bread, or taco shells or rolls4 cans of beans or dried beans1 box of cereal1 dozen large eggs2 jars of peanut butter2- 16 ozs bricks of cheddar or Swiss cheese After my grandson came and while she was breastfeeding she received no supplemental formula in case milk supply or other issues caused a decrease in available breast milk. Starting at 5 months until he was 1 year old she received 64 jars of stage 2 only single fruits or vegetables and 31 jars of meats each month. She still has a lot of this stuff because as he got teeth in and started to eat the stage 3 & above meals, he no longer would touch the stuff that had been pureed to within an inch of life. He wanted texture in his foods. Now that he is over a year old, she just received the next allotment of WIC certificates and we were surprised to see he amount of fruit juice for just him to increase to 6- 64 oz bottles, and the milk o now be specified as whole milk only 6 gallons each month. The fruits & veges were dropped to $6 per month peanut butter to 1 jar and no cereal at all. It just seems to me that someone at WIC ought to be paying attention to what the USDA is advising and that the WIC food vouchers should fulfill the needs of this group based on current guidelines and recommendations. I called the local WIC office to question what my daughter as well as some of my patients parents had received for them in terms of amounts and types of foods and was told that our local WIC office had no control over content of food and they were following the WIC guidelines mandated in Washington. I just thought this was an interesting thing given the current battle over obesity in this country and laws in Mass. Being passed prohibiting bake sales and pink slime being permitted in school lunches. The WIC program should advocate the dietary guidelines proposed by the USDA and should provide foods to moms & kids that meet these guidelines. Dr. Beth Sullivan, DO From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Kathy SaradarianSent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 12:06 PMTo: Subject: RE: Hypocrisy of WIC program Well maybe there is something that AAFP could get involved in. That’s just old rules not being kept up with new guidelines. I wonder if that i s just your state though Beth. I don’t see infants anymore so I don’t know what WIC covers and doesn’t. Kathy Saradarian, MDBranchville, NJwww.qualityfamilypractice.comSolo 4/03, Practicing since 9/90Practice Partner 5/03Low staffing From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Beth SullivanSent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 8:39 AMTo: Subject: Hypocrisy of WIC program I am extremely confused by the mixed messages our government is sending. Case in point: On one hand they are complaining about obese kids and adults, giving pregnant women and new mothers long lectures about “healthy†eating and how to feed their children “appropriatelyâ€. Then after the education session the mother or pregnant woman gets her WIC certificates and they are forbid from getting low fat or skim milk for their children and provided with a boat load of fruit juice each month. Also lets give them high fat cheese (cheddar or Swiss only) but not yogurt as a dairy source. You educate moms about not eating tuna and other types of fish while they are pregnant and then give them tuna fish as part of their monthly food allotment. This is utterly insane, but nothing less than I expect of the fools running things. Sorry all, I had to vent. This really pissed me off. Dr. Beth Sullivan, DO

[Guest guest]

Did that and the response I got was that the wic foods were set in Washington and any changes would have to be addressed at that level. Dr. Beth Sullivan, DO From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Sharon McCoy Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 12:01 AMTo: Subject: Re: Hypocrisy of WIC program Beth, I think it makes sense that kids between 1 and 2 only get whole (or 2%) milk . But I may be behind.Hopefully she'll donate the stuff she doesn't use to someone who can or a food bank.I imagine there must be some lobbying by the companies chosen as suppliers somewhere along the line.Seems like a doctor/grandma letter about the juice to a WIC supervisor would be a good use of energy. SharonSharon McCoy MDRenaissance Family Medicine10 McClintock Court; Irvine, CA 92617PH: (949)387-5504 Fax: (949)281-2197 Toll free phone/fax: www.SharonMD.com This was actually my grandchild. My 19 year old daughter had him a year ago, during her pregnancy she was given monthly 6- 5oz cans of tuna packed in water5- gallons of 2%, 1% or skim milk6- 46 oz containers of fruit juice$10 of fresh fruits & or vegetables1 loaf of whole wheat or rye bread, or taco shells or rolls4 cans of beans or dried beans1 box of cereal1 dozen large eggs2 jars of peanut butter2- 16 ozs bricks of cheddar or Swiss cheese After my grandson came and while she was breastfeeding she received no supplemental formula in case milk supply or other issues caused a decrease in available breast milk. Starting at 5 months until he was 1 year old she received 64 jars of stage 2 only single fruits or vegetables and 31 jars of meats each month. She still has a lot of this stuff because as he got teeth in and started to eat the stage 3 & above meals, he no longer would touch the stuff that had been pureed to within an inch of life. He wanted texture in his foods. Now that he is over a year old, she just received the next allotment of WIC certificates and we were surprised to see he amount of fruit juice for just him to increase to 6- 64 oz bottles, and the milk o now be specified as whole milk only 6 gallons each month. The fruits & veges were dropped to $6 per month peanut butter to 1 jar and no cereal at all. It just seems to me that someone at WIC ought to be paying attention to what the USDA is advising and that the WIC food vouchers should fulfill the needs of this group based on current guidelines and recommendations. I called the local WIC office to question what my daughter as well as some of my patients parents had received for them in terms of amounts and types of foods and was told that our local WIC office had no control over content of food and they were following the WIC guidelines mandated in Washington. I just thought this was an interesting thing given the current battle over obesity in this country and laws in Mass. Being passed prohibiting bake sales and pink slime being permitted in school lunches. The WIC program should advocate the dietary guidelines proposed by the USDA and should provide foods to moms & kids that meet these guidelines. Dr. Beth Sullivan, DO From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Kathy SaradarianSent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 12:06 PMTo: Subject: RE: Hypocrisy of WIC program Well maybe there is something that AAFP could get involved in. That’s just old rules not being kept up with new guidelines. I wonder if that i s just your state though Beth. I don’t see infants anymore so I don’t know what WIC covers and doesn’t. Kathy Saradarian, MDBranchville, NJwww.qualityfamilypractice.comSolo 4/03, Practicing since 9/90Practice Partner 5/03Low staffing From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Beth SullivanSent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 8:39 AMTo: Subject: Hypocrisy of WIC program I am extremely confused by the mixed messages our government is sending. Case in point: On one hand they are complaining about obese kids and adults, giving pregnant women and new mothers long lectures about “healthy” eating and how to feed their children “appropriately”. Then after the education session the mother or pregnant woman gets her WIC certificates and they are forbid from getting low fat or skim milk for their children and provided with a boat load of fruit juice each month. Also lets give them high fat cheese (cheddar or Swiss only) but not yogurt as a dairy source. You educate moms about not eating tuna and other types of fish while they are pregnant and then give them tuna fish as part of their monthly food allotment. This is utterly insane, but nothing less than I expect of the fools running things. Sorry all, I had to vent. This really pissed me off. Dr. Beth Sullivan, DO

[Guest guest]

Yes, I did and more.

I had patients wearing expensive clothing the latest apple products and expending hundreds of dollars smoking and refusing to pay for their meds that they need.

They just told me Medicaid does not want to pay for the meds.

I have seen people that live together as family, with kids for years but they do not get marry because then their income would be higher .

They wont qualify for food stamps and so on.

I remember a RN that worked with me and complained about the abuse of the system. One day she told me that her kid and her husband just bought a new boat.

it seems that they all went in a moderate boat to the lake and have a boat party ( I ignore the size of the boat). The boat malfunction and they did not have like a AAA for the towing of the boat ( I do not know the exact name of the service). she cried that they spent a lot of money to tow the boat.

I learned few days later that I was paying for her daughter and grandchildren medical care ( Medicaid).

Dear I can continue but I would leave it there.

To: Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 12:20 PMSubject: Re: Hypocrisy of WIC program

You saw that?

What about mothers using Medicaid and WIC here in Florida while driving Porche Cheyenne (SUV) and wearing expensive purses?

To: Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2012 12:36 PMSubject: RE: Hypocrisy of WIC program

This was actually my grandchild. My 19 year old daughter had him a year ago, during her pregnancy she was given monthly

6- 5oz cans of tuna packed in water

5- gallons of 2%, 1% or skim milk

6- 46 oz containers of fruit juice

$10 of fresh fruits & or vegetables

1 loaf of whole wheat or rye bread, or taco shells or rolls

4 cans of beans or dried beans

1 box of cereal

1 dozen large eggs

2 jars of peanut butter

2- 16 ozs bricks of cheddar or Swiss cheese

After my grandson came and while she was breastfeeding she received no supplemental formula in case milk supply or other issues caused a decrease in available breast milk. Starting at 5 months until he was 1 year old she received 64 jars of stage 2 only single fruits or vegetables and 31 jars of meats each month. She still has a lot of this stuff because as he got teeth in and started to eat the stage 3 & above meals, he no longer would touch the stuff that had been pureed to within an inch of life. He

wanted texture in his foods.

Now that he is over a year old, she just received the next allotment of WIC certificates and we were surprised to see he amount of fruit juice for just him to increase to 6- 64 oz bottles, and the milk o now be specified as whole milk only 6 gallons each month. The fruits & veges were dropped to $6 per month peanut butter to 1 jar and no cereal at all.

It just seems to me that someone at WIC ought to be paying attention to what the USDA is advising and that the WIC food vouchers should fulfill the needs of this group based on current guidelines and recommendations. I called the local WIC office to question what my daughter as well as some of my patients parents had received for them in terms of amounts and types of foods and was told that our local WIC office had no control over content of food and they were following the WIC guidelines mandated in Washington.

I just thought this was an interesting thing given the current battle over obesity in this country and laws in Mass. Being passed prohibiting bake sales and pink slime being permitted in school lunches. The WIC program should advocate the dietary guidelines proposed by the USDA and should provide foods to moms & kids that meet these guidelines.

Dr. Beth Sullivan, DO

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Kathy SaradarianSent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 12:06 PMTo: Subject: RE:

Hypocrisy of WIC program

Well maybe there is something that AAFP could get involved in. That’s just old rules not being kept up with new guidelines. I wonder if that i s just your state though Beth. I don’t see infants anymore so I don’t know what WIC covers and doesn’t.

Kathy Saradarian, MD

Branchville, NJ

www.qualityfamilypractice.com

Solo 4/03, Practicing since 9/90

Practice Partner 5/03

Low staffing

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Beth SullivanSent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 8:39 AMTo: Subject: Hypocrisy of WIC program

I am extremely confused by the mixed messages our government is sending. Case in point:

On one hand they are complaining about obese kids and adults, giving pregnant women and new mothers long lectures about “healthy†eating and how to feed their children “appropriatelyâ€. Then after the education session the mother or pregnant woman gets her WIC certificates and they are forbid from getting low fat or skim milk for their children and provided with a boat load of fruit juice each month. Also lets give them high fat cheese (cheddar or Swiss only) but not yogurt as a dairy source. You educate moms about not eating tuna and other types of fish while they are pregnant and then give them tuna fish as part of their monthly food allotment. This is utterly insane, but nothing less than I expect of the fools running things.

Sorry all, I had to vent. This really pissed me off.

Dr. Beth Sullivan, DO

[Guest guest]

Maybe those things are stolen Sent from my iPhone

Yes, I did and more.

I had patients wearing expensive clothing the latest apple products and expending hundreds of dollars smoking and refusing to pay for their meds that they need.

They just told me Medicaid does not want to pay for the meds.

I have seen people that live together as family, with kids for years but they do not get marry because then their income would be higher .

They wont qualify for food stamps and so on.

I remember a RN that worked with me and complained about the abuse of the system. One day she told me that her kid and her husband just bought a new boat.

it seems that they all went in a moderate boat to the lake and have a boat party ( I ignore the size of the boat). The boat malfunction and they did not have like a AAA for the towing of the boat ( I do not know the exact name of the service). she cried that they spent a lot of money to tow the boat.

I learned few days later that I was paying for her daughter and grandchildren medical care ( Medicaid).

Dear I can continue but I would leave it there.

To: Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 12:20 PMSubject: Re: Hypocrisy of WIC program

You saw that?

What about mothers using Medicaid and WIC here in Florida while driving Porche Cheyenne (SUV) and wearing expensive purses?

To: Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2012 12:36 PMSubject: RE: Hypocrisy of WIC program

This was actually my grandchild. My 19 year old daughter had him a year ago, during her pregnancy she was given monthly

6- 5oz cans of tuna packed in water

5- gallons of 2%, 1% or skim milk

6- 46 oz containers of fruit juice

$10 of fresh fruits & or vegetables

1 loaf of whole wheat or rye bread, or taco shells or rolls

4 cans of beans or dried beans

1 box of cereal

1 dozen large eggs

2 jars of peanut butter

2- 16 ozs bricks of cheddar or Swiss cheese

After my grandson came and while she was breastfeeding she received no supplemental formula in case milk supply or other issues caused a decrease in available breast milk. Starting at 5 months until he was 1 year old she received 64 jars of stage 2 only single fruits or vegetables and 31 jars of meats each month. She still has a lot of this stuff because as he got teeth in and started to eat the stage 3 & above meals, he no longer would touch the stuff that had been pureed to within an inch of life. He

wanted texture in his foods.

Now that he is over a year old, she just received the next allotment of WIC certificates and we were surprised to see he amount of fruit juice for just him to increase to 6- 64 oz bottles, and the milk o now be specified as whole milk only 6 gallons each month. The fruits & veges were dropped to $6 per month peanut butter to 1 jar and no cereal at all.

It just seems to me that someone at WIC ought to be paying attention to what the USDA is advising and that the WIC food vouchers should fulfill the needs of this group based on current guidelines and recommendations. I called the local WIC office to question what my daughter as well as some of my patients parents had received for them in terms of amounts and types of foods and was told that our local WIC office had no control over content of food and they were following the WIC guidelines mandated in Washington.

I just thought this was an interesting thing given the current battle over obesity in this country and laws in Mass. Being passed prohibiting bake sales and pink slime being permitted in school lunches. The WIC program should advocate the dietary guidelines proposed by the USDA and should provide foods to moms & kids that meet these guidelines.

Dr. Beth Sullivan, DO

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Kathy SaradarianSent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 12:06 PMTo: Subject: RE:

Hypocrisy of WIC program

Well maybe there is something that AAFP could get involved in. That’s just old rules not being kept up with new guidelines. I wonder if that i s just your state though Beth. I don’t see infants anymore so I don’t know what WIC covers and doesn’t.

Kathy Saradarian, MD

Branchville, NJ

www.qualityfamilypractice.com

Solo 4/03, Practicing since 9/90

Practice Partner 5/03

Low staffing

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Beth SullivanSent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 8:39 AMTo: Subject: Hypocrisy of WIC program

I am extremely confused by the mixed messages our government is sending. Case in point:

On one hand they are complaining about obese kids and adults, giving pregnant women and new mothers long lectures about “healthy†eating and how to feed their children “appropriatelyâ€. Then after the education session the mother or pregnant woman gets her WIC certificates and they are forbid from getting low fat or skim milk for their children and provided with a boat load of fruit juice each month. Also lets give them high fat cheese (cheddar or Swiss only) but not yogurt as a dairy source. You educate moms about not eating tuna and other types of fish while they are pregnant and then give them tuna fish as part of their monthly food allotment. This is utterly insane, but nothing less than I expect of the fools running things.

Sorry all, I had to vent. This really pissed me off.

Dr. Beth Sullivan, DO