ELITISM

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I have an idea. How about if each us goes into our "sent" box, and

then edits each message we've recently sent replacing each of the

first and second pronouns with third person pronouns and see how we

are treating the God within each of us?

Would anyone else like to join me in this exercise?

Thanks,

Robin

????? "elitists elevate

themselves above many groups" ?????

How is it possible for a good discussion to degenerate into name

calling? One expects this on the play ground, but not here. When

I am frustrated with someone else, and wish to get it off my

chest immediately, I've learned to write it down but not send

it. And when I re-read it I'm always glad I finally learned that

little trick.

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"Good health is not the absence of symptoms, it is the presence

of peace." - Neale Walsh

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Did you write this e-mail down and save it? Hmm, guess not.... What names are you referring to? Elitist? Perhaps you are really in disagreement with my observations,and not the term elitist? It is difficult to not use such terms, when communicating ie. to describe certain pre-dispositions. I think an elitist tendency might be a better choice? I don't know, because such terms do describe tendencies rather aptly are used rather frequently in communication such as reductionist,minimalist,idealist,romanticist,and even the term Jungian describes certain tendencies and world views. If you object to my use of the term elitist, then I might simply describe the behavior I see being demonstrated in the Jungian community. Although that would be a "behaviorist" approach :-).And I am quite serious about the topic. As for the playground, I think egoic fortification, at others' expense is rather juvenile.

Best,

Gail

elitism

????? "elitists elevate themselves above many groups" ?????

How is it possible for a good discussion to degenerate into name calling? One expects this on the play ground, but not here. When I am frustrated with someone else, and wish to get it off my chest immediately, I've learned to write it down but not send it. And when I re-read it I'm always glad I finally learned that little trick.

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Yes Gail, I am in disagreement with your observation, and my comment was towards what comes across (to me) as a personal attack. I can't imagine why you think I am simply disagreeing with the use of a word.Jim

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Because Jim, you specifically said I was name calling, and the word elitist is like any other word that ends in ist, it simply describes a tendency toward a world view or a set of particular behaviors or have I already said this? If you take it personally, you may wish to look at why this might be the case. Thank you for honestly admitting you simply disagree with my view of Jungian elitism.

Elitism is indeed a part of the community, I can assure you,and most do not bother to deny it. They either agree with elitism on various grounds( protection of the individual, etc.) or they ignore it. I believe this elitist view not only obscures the individuation process for more enlightened individuals, it prevents others from reaching their potential as well. I believe the Jungian community is most privileged and insightful and has a great potential to offer to those less fortunate, were it not for this elitist tendency.And I do not think this would in anyway hinder the path of individuation, in fact I believe it would provide profound insight and growth.Yes, one must go inward,but giving back/getting involved is also a profound learning experience throughout life.

As for your particular agenda to discuss more important topics,I would simply point out that several topics have been posted here and you have the freedom to respond to any one of them.This topic has been brought to the forefront by the energy of Roseroberta, and perhaps was no accident, and the figure has arisen from the ground. There is energy in this topic, whether you prefer the topic or not. It is the elephant in the living room.The many responses indicate this, irregardless of one's personal viewpoint on the matter.

Regards,

Gail

Re: elitism

Yes Gail, I am in disagreement with your observation, and my comment was towards what comes across (to me) as a personal attack. I can't imagine why you think I am simply disagreeing with the use of a word.

Jim

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Because Jim, you specifically said I was name

calling, and the word elitist is like any

other word that ends in ist, it simply describes a

tendency toward a world view or a set of particular

behaviors or have I already said this? If you

take it personally, you may wish to look at why this

might be the case. Thank you for honestly

admitting you simply disagree with my view of Jungian

elitism. 

 

Elitism is indeed a part of the community, I can

assure you,and most do not bother to deny it. They

either agree with elitism on various grounds(

protection of the individual, etc.) or they ignore

it. I believe this elitist view not only obscures the

individuation process for more

enlightened individuals, it prevents others from

reaching their potential as well. I believe the

Jungian community is most privileged and insightful

and has a great potential to offer to those less

fortunate, were it not for this elitist tendency.

If it is indeed the case that Jungians as a group are less likely

than others to help the less unfortunate, I wonder if it is not in

part because introversion is more prevalent among Jungians than

among the general population. fwiw.

regards,

Dan

And I do not think this would in anyway hinder the

path of individuation, in fact I believe it would

provide profound insight and growth.Yes, one must go

inward,but giving back/getting involved is also a

profound learning experience throughout life.

 

As for your particular agenda to discuss more

important topics,I would simply point

out that several topics have been posted here and you

have the freedom to respond to any one of them.This

topic has been brought to the forefront by the energy

of  Roseroberta, and perhaps was no accident, and the

figure has arisen from the ground. There is

energy in this topic, whether you prefer the topic or

not. It is the elephant in the living room.The

many responses indicate this, irregardless of one's

personal viewpoint on the matter.

 

Regards,

Gail

Re: elitism

 

Yes Gail, I am in disagreement with your

observation, and my comment was towards what

comes across (to me) as a personal attack. I

can't imagine why you think I am simply

disagreeing with the use of a word.

Jim

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I think introversion is part of it and the idea that nature apparently selects so there must be select humans which apparently should not be disturbed by the herd? While I believe in developing one's acorn( Hillman) I am egalitarian. After all, if you are in a perpetual vacuum of self,this is by definition somewhat limiting. I find it better to go Out and In ( a Moody Blues tune).One refrain from the song is" You gotta take the journey out and in". This describes my viewpoint. I would be interested in what Jung thought and actually practiced in his behavior toward women and the less fortunate.Also his stance if any against the Nazis. Yes, he was a man of his times but he had extraordinary vision, so how did he view/behave toward these less fortunate groups?

Re: elitism

Yes Gail, I am in disagreement with your observation, and my comment was towards what comes across (to me) as a personal attack. I can't imagine why you think I am simply disagreeing with the use of a word.

Jim

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recipe for elitism cure!

when people call me wise - ahem? - to keep from inflation, I have learned this;

'I am wise only in one respect: The one thing I know for certain is how much I don't know!!"

ao howell

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Ah, Dan, I long ago decided to not get into a sparring match with you, one, because you can spar better than I, and two, our world views seem so far apart that it seems unlikely the twain shall ever meet.

However, I can't let this statement go by re: introversion and compassion. I'm a very strong introvert and yet I contribute to many different kinds of "help the less-fortunate" groups. I fail to see the connection between introversion and what you seem to be suggesting is a lack of compassion. BTW, I'm far from the "upper middle class" from which someone mentioned that most Jung students seem to come. Lower middle class might fit if I made more money, though.

Blissings,SamSearch for Soulhttps://sampatron.wordpress.comJust because I believe something doesn't mean it's true.Just because I don't believe something doesn't mean it's untrue.Don't believe everything you think.

If it is indeed the case that Jungians as a group are less likely than others to help the less unfortunate, I wonder if it is not in part because introversion is more prevalent among Jungians than among the general population. fwiw.

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I'm just curious, there must be data which support your view of Jungians and their charitableInclinations. I'm a little surprised based on my limited sampling. Tell me more, if you would.To live is so startling it leaves little time for anything else."— DickinsonPause, Center, and Shift--Brugh Joy

Hi Sam,

Class isn't a function of money.

My speculation re: introversion and the poor has to do with the fact

that the introvert, being himself more likely to think of relative

poverty ( I don't mean actual hunger or destitution) as "no big

deal," is likely to think of others' relative poverty as no big

deal. I could quote Jung somewhat to this effect, but won't bothe

bes

Dan

On 1/18/2012 6:32 PM, JustaJungster@... wrote

Ah, Dan, I long ago decided to not get into a

sparring match with you, one, because you can spar

better than I, and two, our world views seem so far

apart that it seems unlikely the twain shall ever

meet.

However, I can't let this statement go by re:

introversion and compassion. I'm a very strong

introvert and yet I contribute to many different kinds

of "help the less-fortunate" groups. I fail to see

the connection between introversion and what you seem

to be suggesting is a lack of compassion. BTW, I'm

far from the "upper middle class" from which someone

mentioned that most Jung students seem to come. Lower

middle class might fit if I made more money, though.

Blissings,

Sam

Search for Soul

https://sampatron.wordpress.com

Just because I believe something doesn't mean

it's true.

Just because I don't believe something doesn't

mean it's untrue.

Don't believe everything you think.

In a message dated 1/16/2012 02:23:26 Central

Standard Time, dwatkins9@... writes:

If it is

indeed the case that Jungians as a group are less

likely than others to help the less unfortunate, I

wonder if it is not in part because introversion

is more prevalent among Jungians than among the

general population. fwiw.