The path

[Guest guest]

first of all i want to thank you all for you'r support this last

couple of weeks, i feel much better.

i heard yesturday byron katie talking about the path, and how

everyone has their own path, and how we get exactly what we need and

whats perfectly right.

it's not the first time i'v heard her saying this, but i'v allways

had trouble to truly believing it and seeing it.

i'v understood yestuday that this so called " path " is not something

that is determind by god, nor by destiny.

it is something we create, conciously or unconciously.

i understood suddenly that the world does react to our thoughts,

infact it is reflecting our inner flow.. and whenever we'r attaching

on a concept, it becomes stronger in our reality.. and the phisical

reality will literaly manifest events to reflect it.

that's why those last two weeks where i contained those concepts

regarding females and losing them infavor of other man, i met that

situation more than ever.

and as much as i'v resisted it, the more i'v met it.

so " the path " is not about a place where it start and a place where

it ends, it is about where we are now.

that said, we CAN choose to attach to positive concept,

maybe 'attach' isn't the right word.

choose to manifest positive events without intervering in 'how' this

reality will come to existance.

there isn't garentee we'll get it, but we can't absolutly know we

won't, that's why the key issue is to stay open at all times.

[Guest guest]

> first of all i want to thank you all for you'r support this last

> couple of weeks, i feel much better.

*****The path is NOT about feeling better. It is about being in

harmony with reality (God), in synch with " what is. " And sometimes,

what is, is to feel " not good. " It's all part of being alive and

being a conditioned being.

> i heard yesturday byron katie talking about the path, and how

> everyone has their own path, and how we get exactly what we need and

> whats perfectly right.

*****Yeah. There are no mistakes in reality. Just thoughts that SAY

there are! :-))))

> it's not the first time i'v heard her saying this, but i'v allways

> had trouble to truly believing it and seeing it.

> i'v understood yestuday that this so called " path " is not something

> that is determind by god, nor by destiny.

> it is something we create, conciously or unconciously.

*****As we create everything. But as we are creation of God, then,

ultimately, our path is also God's doing.

> i understood suddenly that the world does react to our thoughts,

> infact it is reflecting our inner flow..

*****The world is a creation of our thoughts. It doesn't exist

independent of them. The world arises in consciousness, and, in the

absence of it, there is neither " you " nor " the world. "

> and whenever we'r attaching

> on a concept, it becomes stronger in our reality.. and the phisical

> reality will literaly manifest events to reflect it.

> that's why those last two weeks where i contained those concepts

> regarding females and losing them infavor of other man, i met that

> situation more than ever.

> and as much as i'v resisted it, the more i'v met it.

> so " the path " is not about a place where it start and a place where

> it ends, it is about where we are now.

*****That's all there is: now. The rest (the past and the future) are

thoughts, not reality.

> that said, we CAN choose to attach to positive concept,

> maybe 'attach' isn't the right word.

> choose to manifest positive events without intervering in 'how' this

> reality will come to existance.

> there isn't garentee we'll get it, but we can't absolutly know we

> won't, that's why the key issue is to stay open at all times.

It kills me when people, espousing a conviction and appreciation of

Byron 's teachings (and methodology), then totally disregard

aspects of what she says. Like those who preach the Bible and yet

selectively pick and choose the parts of it that they feel are true

and ignore other aspects of it that they don't " like. "

FYI, regarding your statement " we CAN choose, " ...obviously you will

believe what you will believe, but, if you find resonance with BK's

teachings (and your words above suggest to me that you do),

then you should be aware that your statement is simply not upheld by

her. (And, it is possible, if you watch your thoughts closely enough

for long enough, you may come to See that you don't, actually, choose.)

From Byron :

" You see, there are NO choices. What is, is. When you know that,

it's over...There is nothing terrible. Shall I say it again? There

is nothing terrible. There has never been anything terrible...It's

all about you're destroying my dream. That's all...There has never

been evil and there never will be...Evil is a story of how you think

nature should be. "

(From " Losing The Moon " )

[Guest guest]

Hi Facy!

It's so good to read this. You sound sane and well adjusted and

it's been what I've been envisioning for you during the past couple

of weeks of churning. I think you have definitely been focusing on

lack in your life and doing a fantastic job of getting more of it

much to your chagrin. I hope you can see the bright spots in your

life and consciously enhance those!

Stay present, stay positive and smile - it looks good on you!

Love Helen

>

> first of all i want to thank you all for you'r support this last

> couple of weeks, i feel much better.

> i heard yesturday byron katie talking about the path, and how

> everyone has their own path, and how we get exactly what we need

and

> whats perfectly right.

> it's not the first time i'v heard her saying this, but i'v allways

> had trouble to truly believing it and seeing it.

> i'v understood yestuday that this so called " path " is not

something

> that is determind by god, nor by destiny.

> it is something we create, conciously or unconciously.

> i understood suddenly that the world does react to our thoughts,

> infact it is reflecting our inner flow.. and whenever we'r

attaching

> on a concept, it becomes stronger in our reality.. and the

phisical

> reality will literaly manifest events to reflect it.

> that's why those last two weeks where i contained those concepts

> regarding females and losing them infavor of other man, i met that

> situation more than ever.

> and as much as i'v resisted it, the more i'v met it.

> so " the path " is not about a place where it start and a place

where

> it ends, it is about where we are now.

> that said, we CAN choose to attach to positive concept,

> maybe 'attach' isn't the right word.

> choose to manifest positive events without intervering in 'how'

this

> reality will come to existance.

> there isn't garentee we'll get it, but we can't absolutly know we

> won't, that's why the key issue is to stay open at all times.

>

[Guest guest]

Well Andy, I¹ll track down the final quote you mention in my trusty copy.

But off the top of my head, I think you might want to look at the context in

which it was quoted.

Love

H

>

>

>

> -

> It kills me when people, espousing a conviction and appreciation of

> Byron 's teachings (and methodology), then totally disregard

> aspects of what she says. Like those who preach the Bible and yet

> selectively pick and choose the parts of it that they feel are true

> and ignore other aspects of it that they don't " like. "

>

> FYI, regarding your statement " we CAN choose, " ...obviously you will

> believe what you will believe, but, if you find resonance with BK's

> teachings (and your words above suggest to me that you do),

>

> then you should be aware that your statement is simply not upheld by

> her. (And, it is possible, if you watch your thoughts closely enough

> for long enough, you may come to See that you don't, actually, choose.)

>

> From Byron :

>

> " You see, there are NO choices. What is, is. When you know that,

> it's over...There is nothing terrible. Shall I say it again? There

> is nothing terrible. There has never been anything terrible...It's

> all about you're destroying my dream. That's all...There has never

> been evil and there never will be...Evil is a story of how you think

> nature should be. "

>

> (From " Losing The Moon " )

>

[Guest guest]

Hugs and smiles and thank you for letting us know.

Much love

>

>

> i'v understood yestuday that this so called " path " is not something

> that is determind by god, nor by destiny.

> it is something we create, conciously or unconciously.

> i understood suddenly that the world does react to our thoughts,

> infact it is reflecting our inner flow.. and whenever we'r attaching

> on a concept, it becomes stronger in our reality.. and the phisical

> reality will literaly manifest events to reflect it.

> that's why those last two weeks where i contained those concepts

> regarding females and losing them infavor of other man, i met that

> situation more than ever.

> and as much as i'v resisted it, the more i'v met it.

> so " the path " is not about a place where it start and a place where

> it ends, it is about where we are now.

> that said, we CAN choose to attach to positive concept,

> maybe 'attach' isn't the right word.

> choose to manifest positive events without intervering in 'how' this

> reality will come to existance.

> there isn't garentee we'll get it, but we can't absolutly know we

> won't, that's why the key issue is to stay open at all times.

[Guest guest]

Hi Andy and Facy. I've been keeping pretty quiet lately doing some

reading and trying to get a better grasp on Buddhism and Andy's

ideas. It's still not ringing true for me. Andy's ideas that we

have no choice, that is. Some of Buddhism jives very well with my

current beliefs. I too have more work to do.

See below for additional comments.

>

> > first of all i want to thank you all for you'r support this last

> > couple of weeks, i feel much better.

>

> *****The path is NOT about feeling better. It is about being in

> harmony with reality (God), in synch with " what is. " And

sometimes,

> what is, is to feel " not good. " It's all part of being alive and

> being a conditioned being.

H: I think the path (maybe not 's - I've not heard what she

has to say about it) is to feel good. In fact the way we know that

we are on the right path is that we're happy. One of the best ways

to know that we are on the right pathy (God's path / reality) is

that we're happy and not resisting anything. When we're in that

truth or God reality or whatever you want to call it than there is

no unhappiness. It's all good.

>

>

> > i heard yesturday byron katie talking about the path, and how

> > everyone has their own path, and how we get exactly what we need

and whats perfectly right.

H: And it's perfectly right because it is a perfect projection of

who we currently are, right now.

> *****Yeah. There are no mistakes in reality. Just thoughts that

SAY there are! :-))))

>

H: RIGHT!

>

> > it's not the first time i'v heard her saying this, but i'v

allways had trouble to truly believing it and seeing it.

> > i'v understood yestuday that this so called " path " is not

something

> > that is determind by god, nor by destiny.

> > it is something we create, conciously or unconciously.

>

H: I, for one, think you are right on the money with that statement

Facy.

> *****As we create everything. But as we are creation of God, then,

> ultimately, our path is also God's doing.

H: Ultimately there is only one consciousness. right Andy? So

there is no God outside of ourselves, or we are not outside of

God... which ever way you want to say it... there is one.

>

> > i understood suddenly that the world does react to our thoughts,

> > infact it is reflecting our inner flow..

H: And the world actually reacts even more to the feelings that go

with the thoughts. (you might want to read some Gregg Braden)

>

> *****The world is a creation of our thoughts. It doesn't exist

> independent of them. The world arises in consciousness, and, in

the absence of it, there is neither " you " nor " the world. "

H: OK.

>

> > and whenever we'r attaching on a concept, it becomes stronger in

> >our reality.. and the phisical

> > reality will literaly manifest events to reflect it.

> > that's why those last two weeks where i contained those concepts

> > regarding females and losing them infavor of other man, i met

> >that situation more than ever.

> > and as much as i'v resisted it, the more i'v met it.

> > so " the path " is not about a place where it start and a place

where

> > it ends, it is about where we are now.

H: Yes, exactly

>

> *****That's all there is: now. The rest (the past and the future)

> are thoughts, not reality.

>

H: That is true and we can change our past and future by changing

our thinking about the past and future.

> > that said, we CAN choose to attach to positive concept,

> > maybe 'attach' isn't the right word.

> > choose to manifest positive events without intervering in 'how'

this

> > reality will come to existance.

> > there isn't garentee we'll get it, but we can't absolutly know

we

> > won't, that's why the key issue is to stay open at all times.

>

H: Yes - the art of allowing. To stay open and unattached to the

now.

>

> It kills me when people, espousing a conviction and appreciation of

> Byron 's teachings (and methodology), then totally disregard

> aspects of what she says. Like those who preach the Bible and yet

> selectively pick and choose the parts of it that they feel are true

> and ignore other aspects of it that they don't " like. "

H: Are you saying that other people can kill you by their ideas?

I do not believe that all parts of the bible are equally true. It

is not a consistent document.

>

> FYI, regarding your statement " we CAN choose, " ...obviously you will

> believe what you will believe, but, if you find resonance with BK's

> teachings (and your words above suggest to me that you do),

>

> then you should be aware that your statement is simply not upheld

by

> her. (And, it is possible, if you watch your thoughts closely

enough

> for long enough, you may come to See that you don't, actually,

choose.)

H: Ok, one way I can relate to what you're saying is based on the

idea that there are no new thoughts, they are all already " out

there " in consciousness, floating around and some come through Facy

and some come through Helen and some come through Andy. The reason

I get the ones I get is because of the energy level (feelings /

emotions / thought energy ) that I'm operating at. That is how we

tune into the thoughts we get. How do you think it works?

>

> From Byron :

>

> " You see, there are NO choices. What is, is. When you know that,

> it's over...There is nothing terrible. Shall I say it again?

There

> is nothing terrible. There has never been anything terrible...It's

> all about you're destroying my dream. That's all...There has never

> been evil and there never will be...Evil is a story of how you

think

> nature should be. "

H: What is is, only when you're happy and experiencing good

feelings. Because if you're not happy then you are resisting

something and that something is your thoughts that are resisting the

reality of Now. There is nothing terrible, only when you feel that

there is nothing terrible. Only then can you know that you are at

one with God's reality.

>

> (From " Losing The Moon " )

>

H: Always choose happiness and love - blessings to all Helen

[Guest guest]

Well Andy, I¹ll track down the final quote you mention in my trusty copy.

But off the top of my head, I think you might want to look at the

context in which it was quoted.

*****I know the context in which it was quoted since I typed it out (I

don't have it memorized).

I know the page number and the paragraph in which it appeared.

Since you suspect that the context surrounding that quote is critical

(and, perhaps in some way refutes the meaning of her statement " You

see, there are NO choices " ), please explain where the conflict is.

The statement is very simple. What does she say, in the context

around it, that disputes its meaning?

[Guest guest]

I remember saying this in some of her audio's too..

Where can there be choice? If all thoughts take us away from reality?

even the thought, What a beautiful yellow flower, if that takes us

away from reality then how can there be any true choices??

There just appears to be choices or decisions which all come from

mind.

At this moment i'm noticing that I'm thinking about ending the

relationship i'm in. What I have started to notice is that when I

actaully see my boyfriend my mind sometimes changes and i really

enjoy his company. He's a great guy who really loves me and i'd love

to be into him and yet sometimes I'm not,

a thought arises I didn't choose it , I appear to either attach or

not, doesn't appear that i choose to attach or not, and i either get

turned on or off yet i'm not doing it.. It just is, I'm also getting

that whether i'm in a relationship or not doesn't appear to matter to

me, somedays i fancy it, others i don't ..

Choice seems to be fixed in the future. It appears there is apparent

choice yet if i choose something that makes me sad then who's to

blame.. it would appear i am, i choose something that wouldn't make

me happy.

so if i finish with this boyfriend and i feel sadness about it i made

a bad choice.. ????

good choices, bad choices,

for years i struggled with what to do with my life, now i just do

whats in front of me and that appears to have really shifted things

for me ..

at this moment i appear to choose to be a house cleaner, i have no

opinion about it , it appears to be how i make my money at the

moment, until it changes ..If we are loving what is in the moment and

the feeling of sadness arises where is the problem?

Adyashanti says just let it all arise, negative thoughts, negative

feelings, just let it all be...

I believe that it is in our belief that all should be good, happy and

comfortable most of the time that many people on this spiritual path

go wrong..

As says don't be spiritual, be Honest

Also who is this I that chooses..

I believe in loosng the moon there is an inquiry at the back on I am/

i am not. If there is no me then who is making the choice?

Not that I'm clear that there is no me, It appears i'm still slightly

attached to believing I'm pippa at the moment and I don't believe i'm

choosing that.. and maybe I am hahahaaaa

anyway thats my two pennies worth here on this subject and I have to

say I resonate more with what andy says. Manifestation and choice and

intent push my Anti The Secret buttons ...might have some work to do

on that..

Blessings and gobbledygook

pipxx

>

>

> Well Andy, I¹ll track down the final quote you mention in my trusty

copy.

> But off the top of my head, I think you might want to look at the

> context in which it was quoted.

>

>

> *****I know the context in which it was quoted since I typed it out

(I

> don't have it memorized).

>

> I know the page number and the paragraph in which it appeared.

>

> Since you suspect that the context surrounding that quote is

critical

> (and, perhaps in some way refutes the meaning of her statement " You

> see, there are NO choices " ), please explain where the conflict is.

>

> The statement is very simple. What does she say, in the context

> around it, that disputes its meaning?

>