Guest guest Posted July 31, 2008 Report Share Posted July 31, 2008 > > I am a student to chaplain ship. > Part of the study I acompinent a women > Who is very ill. > she is in the hospital > and her doctors *thinks* that she as a few weeks to live > > I visited her, > and I listen to her > > My self spiritual support is Byron > I listen to her every day and I find freedom within > myself no matter what the reality is. > > I see more and more ropes, rather than snakes. > my dad died 6 months ago, > and I don't *think* that he died, > he visits me in my thinking, every once in a while > > In the " real " world - where every one suffer > and see snakes > it doesn't seem right to point out that > the snake is a rope > > so I have so much wisdom within me > my wellbeing improved > and I don't feel I can offer the work to others > > the question: is it true, can be not sensitive > at times. > > so I feel frustrated, that I cannot offer the work > to others, who suffer around me > > the confussion i think is believing the thought > that my job is to help others? > > any thoughts? ............ I am sad because I am a " bad " chaplain ship. ............ Is it true? I don't know Can you absolutely know that it's true? no How do you react, when you believe that thought? a) Describe the feelings that happen physically when you believe that thought. Depression, low self esteem, anger that it doesn't work! Disappointment from myself, feeling fear from the future: what am I going to do with the woman I am accompanying… what am I going to do with my life, if I am bad at doing that… Where and when did that thought first occur to you? When I went out from the first meeting with her. It wasn't good enough for me. c)How do you treat that person, yourself, and others when you believe that thought? I have less self confidence around her d) Who were you before that thought first occurred to you? I went to see her, with faith that everything is going to be fine. A little anxious. e) Does that thought bring peace or stress into your life? stress f) Where does your mind travel (into the past and/or future) when you believe that thought? Describe the images. Me, in bed doing nothing. g)Whose business are you in when you think that thought? I am bed because I didn't get to her. And by that I mean: I have my point of view: I see ropes, she see snakes. So as long as she sees snakes I didn't do my job Ok, here is a snake I see: As long as she see's snakes, I am not doing my job I need to do the work on that one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2008 Report Share Posted July 31, 2008 i have the same questions you do about sharing the work. i offer the work now, and only go forward with people who express an interest after the initial offering. -lisa Let yourself be silently drawn by the strange pull of what you really love. It will not lead you astray. Rumi Subject: chaplain ship To: Loving-what-is Date: Thursday, July 31, 2008, 5:58 AM I am a student to chaplain ship. Part of the study I acompinent a women Who is very ill. she is in the hospital and her doctors *thinks* that she as a few weeks to live I visited her, and I listen to her My self spiritual support is Byron I listen to her every day and I find freedom within myself no matter what the reality is. I see more and more ropes, rather than snakes. my dad died 6 months ago, and I don't *think* that he died, he visits me in my thinking, every once in a while In the " real " world - where every one suffer and see snakes it doesn't seem right to point out that the snake is a rope so I have so much wisdom within me my wellbeing improved and I don't feel I can offer the work to others the question: is it true, can be not sensitive at times. so I feel frustrated, that I cannot offer the work to others, who suffer around me the confussion i think is believing the thought that my job is to help others? any thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2008 Report Share Posted July 31, 2008 right on, tami! -lisa Let yourself be silently drawn by the strange pull of what you really love. It will not lead you astray. Rumi Subject: Re: chaplain ship To: Loving-what-is Date: Thursday, July 31, 2008, 8:08 AM > > I am a student to chaplain ship. > Part of the study I acompinent a women > Who is very ill. > she is in the hospital > and her doctors *thinks* that she as a few weeks to live > > I visited her, > and I listen to her > > My self spiritual support is Byron > I listen to her every day and I find freedom within > myself no matter what the reality is. > > I see more and more ropes, rather than snakes. > my dad died 6 months ago, > and I don't *think* that he died, > he visits me in my thinking, every once in a while > > In the " real " world - where every one suffer > and see snakes > it doesn't seem right to point out that > the snake is a rope > > so I have so much wisdom within me > my wellbeing improved > and I don't feel I can offer the work to others > > the question: is it true, can be not sensitive > at times. > > so I feel frustrated, that I cannot offer the work > to others, who suffer around me > > the confussion i think is believing the thought > that my job is to help others? > > any thoughts? ............ I am sad because I am a " bad " chaplain ship. ............ Is it true? I don't know Can you absolutely know that it's true? no How do you react, when you believe that thought? a) Describe the feelings that happen physically when you believe that thought. Depression, low self esteem, anger that it doesn't work! Disappointment from myself, feeling fear from the future: what am I going to do with the woman I am accompanying… what am I going to do with my life, if I am bad at doing that… Where and when did that thought first occur to you? When I went out from the first meeting with her. It wasn't good enough for me. c)How do you treat that person, yourself, and others when you believe that thought? I have less self confidence around her d) Who were you before that thought first occurred to you? I went to see her, with faith that everything is going to be fine. A little anxious. e) Does that thought bring peace or stress into your life? stress f) Where does your mind travel (into the past and/or future) when you believe that thought? Describe the images. Me, in bed doing nothing. g)Whose business are you in when you think that thought? I am bed because I didn't get to her. And by that I mean: I have my point of view: I see ropes, she see snakes. So as long as she sees snakes I didn't do my job Ok, here is a snake I see: As long as she see's snakes, I am not doing my job I need to do the work on that one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2008 Report Share Posted July 31, 2008 " I cannot offer the work to others, who suffer around me " this could be inquired into. if you had a bottle of water and people around you were thirsty, would you offer it to them or keep it for yourself? Of course, you might offer the bottle to them and they say no - for all kinds of reasons. so, what are your reasons for not offering the work to others? can you find 10 reasons? some of these could be inquired into. with love, jon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 31, 2008 Report Share Posted July 31, 2008 maybe you are just suppose to be there and hold someones hand when they see a snake.. i wish i could take credit for that but i think katie said something like that once. I have also heard it said to give someone the work when they arent receptive would not be kind. -- If its working for you.. thats being a great help/ i think.. rh - In Loving-what-is , " Tami " wrote: > > > > > > I am a student to chaplain ship. > > Part of the study I acompinent a women > > Who is very ill. > > she is in the hospital > > and her doctors *thinks* that she as a few weeks to live > > > > I visited her, > > and I listen to her > > > > My self spiritual support is Byron > > I listen to her every day and I find freedom within > > myself no matter what the reality is. > > > > I see more and more ropes, rather than snakes. > > my dad died 6 months ago, > > and I don't *think* that he died, > > he visits me in my thinking, every once in a while > > > > In the " real " world - where every one suffer > > and see snakes > > it doesn't seem right to point out that > > the snake is a rope > > > > so I have so much wisdom within me > > my wellbeing improved > > and I don't feel I can offer the work to others > > > > the question: is it true, can be not sensitive > > at times. > > > > so I feel frustrated, that I cannot offer the work > > to others, who suffer around me > > > > the confussion i think is believing the thought > > that my job is to help others? > > > > any thoughts? > > ........... > I am sad because I am a " bad " chaplain ship. > ........... > > > Is it true? > > I don't know > > > Can you absolutely know that it's true? > > no > > > How do you react, when you believe that thought? > > a) Describe the feelings that happen physically > when you believe that thought. > > Depression, low self esteem, anger that it doesn't work! > Disappointment from myself, feeling fear from the future: what am I > going to do with the woman I am accompanying… what am I going to do > with my life, if I am bad at doing that… > > > > Where and when did that thought first occur to you? > > When I went out from the first meeting with her. > It wasn't good enough for me. > > > c)How do you treat that person, yourself, and others > when you believe that thought? > > I have less self confidence around her > > > > d) Who were you before that thought first occurred to you? > > I went to see her, with faith that everything is going to be fine. > A little anxious. > > > e) Does that thought bring peace or stress into your life? > > stress > > > f) Where does your mind travel (into the past and/or future) > when you believe that thought? Describe the images. > > Me, in bed doing nothing. > > > g)Whose business are you in when you think that thought? > > I am bed because I didn't get to her. And by that I mean: I have my > point of view: I see ropes, she see snakes. So as long as she sees > snakes I didn't do my job > > Ok, here is a snake I see: > As long as she see's snakes, I am not doing my job > > I need to do the work on that one > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2008 Report Share Posted August 1, 2008 > > " I cannot offer the work to others, who suffer around me " > > this could be inquired into. > > if you had a bottle of water and people around you were thirsty, would > you offer it to them or keep it for yourself? > > Of course, you might offer the bottle to them and they say no - for > all kinds of reasons. > > so, what are your reasons for not offering the work to others? > > can you find 10 reasons? some of these could be inquired into. > > with love, > > jon 1. a person who is in a nightmare .. to dought his nightmare is not being amphtic to his pain 2. it is too radical, .. I am not sure if I can go all the way with that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2008 Report Share Posted August 1, 2008 plenty of people will empathise / collude with other people's pain/suffering.... and agree that it is terrible, life shouldn't be the way it is, this shouldn't be happening, etc. if a child has a nightmare, do you have to believe the nightmare to comfort them? what are you scared of, in offering the work to someone - what are you scared they will say/do to you - or even what might happen to them if they do the work? and i'm not saying any of this so that you can offer the work to other people - that is irrelevant - this is about your own freedom :-) with love, jon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 1, 2008 Report Share Posted August 1, 2008 > > plenty of people will empathise / collude with other people's > pain/suffering.... and agree that it is terrible, life shouldn't be > the way it is, this shouldn't be happening, etc. > > if a child has a nightmare, do you have to believe the nightmare to > comfort them? > > what are you scared of, in offering the work to someone - what are you > scared they will say/do to you - or even what might happen to them if > they do the work? > > and i'm not saying any of this so that you can offer the work to other > people - that is irrelevant - this is about your own freedom :-) > > with love, > > jon I don't want them to be beyond there own evolution it sound not kind to offer them the work it sound kind to offer them a hand that is just me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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