Warning: animal cruelty: Re: What if it is hard to imagine yourself not believin

[Guest guest]

> Your posting has reminded me that Eckhart Tolle has talked about how

> we project human emotions onto animals - we hear a noise and interpret

> it as crying or they do something else and we interpret it as

> aggression, etc.

You may be right on this. I have 3 cats and I do that all the time :-)

> When you wrote about looking into their eyes and seeing fear, then

> begging, then resignation, I wonder if this is what 6 year old Hanle

> was feeling, rather than the kittens, with those feelings being

> projected onto the kittens?

Yes Jon, I can see that she was projecting her own feelings onto them. She

certainly felt the fear and begged.

> I'm also just re-reading the subject line and struck by the warning of

> animal cruelty - perhaps a warning of 'personal cruelty' could be

> included alongside any of our stressful beliefs.

I was very angry at my mother for allowing me to witness this. Over the last

couple of days I have realised that she may have been so upset about what

was happening herself that she did not even realised I was there until I

started to scream. I also see how I could have contributed towards the

adults suffering even more because of my behaviour. Who knew?

[Guest guest]

> i had a sort of similar incident with white rats.. my brother had two

> that had babies and so my father wrapped one up as a joke.. to give my

> Uncle at Xmas.. he opened the box and said he was going to draown it..

> i never saw him drown the little rats but just hearing about it

> was upsetting.. and i wanted to keep them but my dad wouldnt let me..

>

> i screamed and cried and every one thought it was funny.

> the whole family laughed at me getting so upset.

Oh Roslyn, I too had mice when I was little that just kept breeding and

breeding and one day when I cam home from school they were all gone. My

mother gave me some story about something happened to them all. I can see

today that sometimes you just don't have a choice in doing cruel things. And

the cruel act may be an act of kindness.

[Guest guest]

Heck, no I didn't notice and you are soooooo right. I often believed I

should be ashamed of my family, that my mother is mean-spirited, that I am

worth less than other people (mmm, I see worth less makes worthless, another

believe I had). Doing the work on this incident has turned these beliefs

upside down. I have indeed saved myself and my family.....

Thank you for your loving assistance :-) It helped me a lot.

> Hi Hanle,

>

> It seems that you started with the belief that " I should have saved

> the kittens " and you've gone on to save yourself and your family.

> Just in case you hadn't noticed :-)

>

> With love,

>

> Jon

[Guest guest]

Thanks Hanle - I read your message earlier and burst into tears - the

thought " I don't deserve to be loved " jumped up and bit me - has been

brewing for a while but your message hit the spot :-)

(Is this just " I am worthless " in another form? Feels like it to me.)

Funny old world this is. While I'm here, it also seems like you've

saved the kittens as well - they are no longer stuck in this story of

a terrible death.

I'm just reflecting on your earlier posts, about being OK with your

family and having forgiven them - I've heard say that the work

isn't about being OK with what is, kinda-sort-of-accepting what is,

it's about loving what is and if we don't feel that way our work isn't

done yet. Is there still stuff there about your step-grandfather? Do

you love what he did?

And I'm going to write out thoughts about my family today - there is

stuff there for me to look at. Who hasn't got stuff with their family?!

Onwards and upwards :-)

With love,

Jon

[Guest guest]

Are you a slavedriver :-) It feels as if there is still work to be done, but

for now I am taking a break!

And yes, aren't our families put there specially to give us plenty of

opportunity to look at our beliefs?

>

> I'm just reflecting on your earlier posts, about being OK with your

> family and having forgiven them - I've heard say that the work

> isn't about being OK with what is, kinda-sort-of-accepting what is,

> it's about loving what is and if we don't feel that way our work isn't

> done yet. Is there still stuff there about your step-grandfather? Do

> you love what he did?

>

> And I'm going to write out thoughts about my family today - there is

> stuff there for me to look at. Who hasn't got stuff with their family?!

>

> Onwards and upwards :-)

>