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Yah know, just because I am interested in Jungian Psychology, it does not mean I need to swallow it hook line and sinker, especially since Jung lived in a very different time. The problem is the escalation of all of this that we are talking about. There is no elite in this country that can lead. Hello Hello.....the elite 5% or is it 2% is not very elite and pretty smelly. They have little integrity to say the least, so we don't have sweat shops here any more, we just do it overseas and kill the middle class here.Just to get something straight here. Never said the best way to keep peace is to be prepared for war, I only echoed it in a denial that I believed that it was effective. Otherwise, one must respect the gang banger very much. Hey that's my set man.

You see what I mean. What are we teaching the youth, and how different is there world from that of Jung......how much world will be left for them. If you don't get my drift, when I left college admissions work within a ten year span there was a drastic shift in how many young people I spoke to did not know what to do after they got out of school. I would say at least a 35% shift and a big shift to how many students said they wanted to study psychology.There are huge cycles which have permeated history. Some of you are much better at the details than I will ever be or even want to be, but there are also huge changes in the times that we live in. If one wants to look at patterns of history as an excuse, I don't want to hear it. If one wants to look at history and say wait a minute what the blankety blank this ship looks like it has the name Titantic written on it, then perhaps we need to think about

things differently. And, if you don't think that people can change, then psychology becomes no more than mental masturbation pardon my french. Jung was phenomenal about many things, but it is a bit stodgy for our times. I probably have now offended many, but really even Christians don't want to stop fragmenting. Their excuse is the 2nd coming, so we don't have to worry about these things. From a psychological point of view, isn't that magical thinking of an infantile state? And why do I want to give to Caesar if he wants to tell me to eat cake....or the latest iphone. You see what I mean. Now if it is internal this enlightenment or whatever words you like fill in the blanks well it ain't anything that a lot of other religions don't think about as well, so that means finding the common points of agreement. And okay so

you have this phase where people peak, but what are you going to do with it. If you want to prepare for something, how about preparing for more enlightened people than war? Perhaps, the Dali Lama has not freed Tibet yet, does it mean that he has accomplished nothing or are you one of those people who planting a seed keeps poking it to death to see if it grew some roots yet. I say plant more seeds.If you think the aristocracies of the world have done well, I don't even know what to say to you about the level of heartlessness which it entails. I can't even believe I am hearing it. Do you hear yourselves who are saying that? Take your facts and unload them, get past all those tapes in your head and have some feelings for God's sake. This is a world, this is a planet, and I rather doubt the only one which has life. I have often said that if I were an intelligent life form I certainly would

not stop here with how things are now or perhaps that will be the second coming. You know there are many people right now who believe that if you get my implication. Honestly folks, if another planet swept by and did not think us any more intelligent than a dolphin or a whale, I would not be surprised. You know the old put the humans in a zoo or eat them for lunch. I can just hear all the oh she is off the deep end, but is what I am saying anymore off the deep end than disempowering thousands of people with ponzi scheme politics and thousands and thousands of people starving or killed in wars or not having health insurance........or worse experimenting with more and more means to extend life with at the same time making life less and less valuable especially for the aging.....i say take that research and make old age valuable as things are now before you continue with all the damn experiments to extend life.....it is total insanity and

hypocracy.Why the heck are you who are educated not willing to talk about what we can do to create change. My inner revolution, enlightenment or whatever you want to call it means nothing in the face of all this. I probably should not have said half of what I said here, but................

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Hi Roseroberta,

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> Yah know, just because I am interested in Jungian Psychology, it does not mean

I need to swallow it hook line and sinker, especially since Jung lived in a very

different time. 

Does that mean that he must have been wrong? We, too, live in a " different time "

- does that mean that our perhaps unpopular insights and views will be

automatically dismissible in 50 or 100 years? To me, the question is whether or

to what degree Jung understood permanent human nature. Aristotle lived 2500

years ago, but he knew a lot.

>The problem is the escalation of all of this that we are talking about.  There

is no elite in this country that can lead.

By " this country, " I assume you mean the USA. Jung was very guarded in his

praise of the USA, and was sometimes very overtly critical of it. He appears to

have thought that its (our) problems were the result of its being a mass

democratic society - its lacking a sufficiency of the " aristocratic " ideal

(which would be opposed to vulgar consumerism, among many other things).

" What America needs in the face of the tremendous urge toward uniformity, desire

of things, the desire for complications in life, for being like one's neighbors,

for making records, etc., is one great healthy ability to say 'No'. " CGJ, 1931

>Hello Hello.....the elite 5% or is it 2% is not very elite and >pretty

smelly. 

I suspect Jung might agree. The financial elite in America appear very often to

lack a sense of noblesse oblige. My point is not that this is a reflection of

insufficient democracy, but rather of *too much* democracy. There is a need for

" old money " that Jung understood.

They have little integrity to say the least, so we don't have sweat shops here

any more, we just do it overseas and kill the middle class here.

>

> Just to get something straight here.  Never said the best way to keep peace is

to be prepared for war, I only echoed it in a denial that I believed that it was

effective.  Otherwise, one must respect the gang banger very much.  Hey that's

my set man.  You see what I mean.  What are we teaching the youth, and how

different is there world from that of Jung......how much world will be left for

them.  If you don't get my drift, when I left college admissions work within a

ten year span there was a drastic shift in how many young people I spoke to did

not know what to do after they got out of school.  I would say at least a 35%

shift and a big shift to how many students said they wanted to study psychology.

>

> There are huge cycles which have permeated history.  Some of you are much

better at the details than I will ever be or even want to be, but there are also

huge changes in the times that we live in.  If one wants to look at patterns of

history as an excuse, I don't want to hear it. If one wants to look at history

and say wait a minute what the blankety blank this ship looks like it has the

name Titantic written on it, then perhaps we need to think about things

differently.  And, if you don't think that people can change, then psychology

becomes no more than mental masturbation pardon my french.  Jung was phenomenal

about many things, but it is a bit stodgy for our times.  

I have heard Jung called many things, but never " stodgy " :-).

I probably have now offended many, but really even Christians don't want to stop

fragmenting.  Their excuse is the 2nd coming, so we don't have to worry about

these things.  From a psychological point of view, isn't that magical thinking

of an infantile state? And why do I want

> to give to Caesar if he wants to tell me to eat cake....or the latest iphone.

You see what I mean.  Now if it is internal this enlightenment or whatever words

you like fill in the blanks well it ain't anything that a lot of other religions

don't think about as well, so that means finding the common points of

agreement.  And okay so you have this phase where people peak, but what are you

going to do with it.  If you want to prepare for something, how about preparing

for more enlightened people than war? Perhaps, the Dali Lama has not freed Tibet

yet, does it mean that he has accomplished nothing or are you one of those

people who planting a seed keeps poking it to death to see if it grew some roots

yet.  I say plant more seeds.

>

>

> If you think the aristocracies of the world have done well, I don't >even know

what to say to you about the level of heartlessness which >it entails.  I can't

even believe I am hearing it.  Do you hear >yourselves who are saying that? 

Well, compared to what? Compared to the communist regimes, to those supposed

lovers of " the people, " I think that the aristocratic regimes have done very

well indeed. The very best human beings - the very best individuals and

individual works - have most often come about under aristocratic regimes, it

seems to me.

Take your facts and unload them, get past all those tapes in your head and have

some feelings for God's sake. This is a world, this is a planet, and I rather

doubt the only one which has life.  I have often said that if I were an

intelligent life form I certainly would not stop here with how things are now or

perhaps that will be the second coming. You know there are many people right now

who believe that if you get my implication.  Honestly folks, if another planet

swept by and did not think us any more intelligent than a dolphin or a whale, I

would not be surprised.  You know the old put the humans in a zoo or eat them

for lunch.  I can just hear all the oh she is off the deep end, but is what I am

saying anymore off

> the deep end than disempowering thousands of people with ponzi scheme

politics and thousands and thousands of people starving or killed in wars or not

having health insurance........or worse experimenting with more and more means

to extend life with at the same time making life less and less valuable

especially for the aging.....i say take that research and make old age valuable

as things are now before you continue with all the damn experiments to extend

life.....it is total insanity and hypocracy.Why the heck are you who are

educated not willing to talk about what we can do to create change.  My inner

revolution, enlightenment or whatever you want to call it means nothing in the

face of all this.  I probably should not have said half of what I said here,

but................

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